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(io9)   The Internet can sometimes be a beautiful thing. Dying boy gets entire Sci Fi series spoiled--by the author himself   (io9.com) divider line 85
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2012-02-23 08:52:41 PM  
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2012-02-23 08:59:04 PM  
I love Turtledove.
Many of his series are excellent reads.
But the man has just gotten lazy with the Atlantis series and this new WW2 series.
 
2012-02-23 09:48:19 PM  
Very cool.

I'm pushing 50 and have therefore officially acknowledged I'm in the second half of my time with the denizens of planet earth. But I'm in reasonably good health. Hardly time to make last requests without the embarrassment of overliving them. What would I wish for, were I given a specific date like "July" when I would expire? The fact that I have no bucket list nor any inclination to create one is a little distressing.

Time to go buy a sports car.

/Damn. Did that 2 years ago....
 
2012-02-23 10:13:36 PM  

larrycot: Very cool.

I'm pushing 50 and have therefore officially acknowledged I'm in the second half of my time with the denizens of planet earth. But I'm in reasonably good health. Hardly time to make last requests without the embarrassment of overliving them. What would I wish for, were I given a specific date like "July" when I would expire? The fact that I have no bucket list nor any inclination to create one is a little distressing.

Time to go buy a sports car.

/Damn. Did that 2 years ago....


If you already have the car, it's time to get a "girlfriend" half your age.
 
2012-02-23 10:13:55 PM  
That is an amazing friend.
 
2012-02-23 10:19:56 PM  
They never look at each other in the eyes. The hugs and physically contact looks awkward and forced.
/yep, they're true nerds and it's not fake.
 
2012-02-23 10:19:58 PM  
George R.R. Martin would never do that.
 
2012-02-23 10:20:01 PM  
Good on you, Mr. Turtledove. you sir, are a class act.
 
2012-02-23 10:22:57 PM  

ShawnDoc: George R.R. Martin would never do that.


He wouldn't need to. "Pretty much everyone dies, usually as the result of betrayal, there's some whoring and battles in the interim, but yeah, everyone's dead by the end." There, I just spoiled the rest of Martin's book series for you. ;)
 
2012-02-23 10:26:35 PM  

ShawnDoc: George R.R. Martin would never do that.


If GRRM had a good idea about what was going to happen next it wouldn't take 5-6 years between books. He likely has an end point but no real plan to get there.
 
2012-02-23 10:29:47 PM  

Carth: ShawnDoc: George R.R. Martin would never do that.

If GRRM had a good idea about what was going to happen next it wouldn't take 5-6 years between books. He likely has an end point but no real plan to get there.


This. He knows the endgame, but the storylines are so farked right now that Tolkien would have a hard time getting there.
 
2012-02-23 10:33:52 PM  
Jesus comes back and we all go to summer camp?
 
2012-02-23 10:34:43 PM  

Carth: ShawnDoc: George R.R. Martin would never do that.

If GRRM had a good idea about what was going to happen next it wouldn't take 5-6 years between books. He likely has an end point but no real plan to get there.


He's already said he has a general idea of what the end will look like, but keeps everything else up in the air because he has no idea what things may feel like happening between now and then.
 
2012-02-23 10:36:13 PM  

LeroyBourne: They never look at each other in the eyes. The hugs and physically contact looks awkward and forced.
/yep, they're true nerds and it's not fake.


I dunno, the cancer kid looks pretty cancer-y... I know he has his hair, but he's a damn twig. Wonder what kind of cancer he's got.
 
2012-02-23 10:57:56 PM  
I feel sorry for the kid. Turtledove is a one trick pony.

Oh look.. alternative history of WWII again.... how original.
 
2012-02-23 10:59:38 PM  
....what happens if the cancer kid hates the ending?

God, can you imagine Lucas "spoiling" the prequel movies for some cancer kid in 1997? It'd be deadlier than the cancer!
 
2012-02-23 11:13:14 PM  

Bunnyhat: I love Turtledove.
Many of his series are excellent reads.
But the man has just gotten lazy with the Atlantis series and this new WW2 series.



When I was a kid and reading Turtledove in the pages of Analog, I was 98% convinced he lived nearish me, because many of his characters for whatever reason, were all streetnames in my neighborhood. And this happened in short story after short story. It was really cool. And strange.

Finally I had to send him a C&D and that finally stopped it. To this day, I don't know what his problem was.
 
2012-02-23 11:13:20 PM  
Harry Turtledove?

/The Nazis win
 
2012-02-23 11:14:41 PM  

Teufelaffe: ShawnDoc: George R.R. Martin would never do that.

He wouldn't need to. "Pretty much everyone dies, usually as the result of betrayal, there's some whoring and battles in the interim, but yeah, everyone's dead by the end." There, I just spoiled the rest of Martin's book series for you. ;)


And lots of Chris Hansen rape.

/NTTIAWWT
 
2012-02-23 11:16:28 PM  

russlar: Carth: ShawnDoc: George R.R. Martin would never do that.

If GRRM had a good idea about what was going to happen next it wouldn't take 5-6 years between books. He likely has an end point but no real plan to get there.

This. He knows the endgame, but the storylines are so farked right now that Tolkien would have a hard time getting there.


One does not simply walk into the endgame of a George R.R. Martin novel series.
 
2012-02-23 11:16:29 PM  

Carth: ShawnDoc: George R.R. Martin would never do that.

If GRRM had a good idea about what was going to happen next it wouldn't take 5-6 years between books. He likely has an end point but no real plan to get there.


Galt goes Galt. Oh, crap, that is Terry Goodkind.

/Goodkind's next book will be a paraphrased "Atlas Shrugged"
//Again.
 
2012-02-23 11:18:10 PM  
You can go ahead and tell the dying the "secret ending" to a series.

Even if you don't know how the series is going to end.

Like the dead kid is going to come back to haunt you. You comforted the dying while not tying your hands to any specific plot.
 
2012-02-23 11:19:22 PM  
I tried Turtledove once.

Some book about dumb dragons covered in tin foil and a "light stick" you had to stick your finger into to fire.

It was all very confusing. That was the last Turtledove book I ever read.
 
2012-02-23 11:21:06 PM  

nocturn: I tried Turtledove once.

Some book about dumb dragons covered in tin foil and a "light stick" you had to stick your finger into to fire.

It was all very confusing. That was the last Turtledove book I ever read.


It is an analogy for syphilis.

/Probably not but it sounds good.
 
2012-02-23 11:23:41 PM  
Yes, "tell" him. Dead men don't retell tales.
 
2012-02-23 11:25:03 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: ....what happens if the cancer kid hates the ending?

God, can you imagine Lucas "spoiling" the prequel movies for some cancer kid in 1997? It'd be deadlier than the cancer!


The kid would wish for death several hours into Lucas attempting to rationalize all his idiotic storylines.

/so there is these things call "midi-chlorians" that determine your force sensitivity
//CANCER TAKE ME NOW!!
 
2012-02-23 11:26:37 PM  
I finally got around to reading Guns of the South a couple years ago - not bad. he I picked up the Invasion series... okay, not bad... but not as good. Then I looked at one of his WWII books (I forget which) and I decided I don;t have time to read mediocre fiction for its own sake.

But it was a stand-up thing for him to do, fulfilling a dying wish, that's for sure.
 
2012-02-23 11:27:09 PM  
Ever notice that it's always reddit users doing cool shiat like this? What the fark has anybody on Fark done?
 
2012-02-23 11:28:30 PM  

Weaver95: Good on you, Mr. Turtledove. you sir, are a class act.



so very much THIS
 
2012-02-23 11:29:02 PM  

LeroyBourne: They never look at each other in the eyes. The hugs and physically contact looks awkward and forced.
/yep, they're true nerds and it's not fake.


I noticed that too and thought it was really touching. Those two really want to hug and cry it out but they're so awkward it's cute.

/That is the gayest thing I've ever typed.
 
2012-02-23 11:30:02 PM  
Didn't this turn out to be a 4chan troll?
 
2012-02-23 11:31:05 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: ....what happens if the cancer kid hates the ending?

God, can you imagine Lucas "spoiling" the prequel movies for some cancer kid in 1997? It'd be deadlier than the cancer!


Haha I thought this too. What if there's a reason the book was still held up at the editor's office? Poor kid is going to go out thinking "fark.. really?!"
 
2012-02-23 11:35:23 PM  

9beers: Ever notice that it's always reddit users doing cool shiat like this? What the fark has anybody on Fark done?


Redditors are still in high school or - at most - early in college so they haven't seen their idealism drowned in a bottle of Jamesons yet.
 
2012-02-23 11:35:48 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: ....what happens if the cancer kid hates the ending?


He cuts off Turtledove's feet and makes him write a new one.
 
2012-02-23 11:36:22 PM  
I may go pick up his books now... hadn't heard of them before... but that's one hell of a decent thing to do.
 
2012-02-23 11:37:59 PM  

Talon: I may go pick up his books now... hadn't heard of them before... but that's one hell of a decent thing to do.


Alternate history is pretty cool for awhile. Get his books and read. They are good. You will get bored after awhile but you will have a good time for awhile.
 
2012-02-23 11:38:34 PM  
Awhile.
 
2012-02-23 11:41:24 PM  
Stephen King wrote an anecdote after Book 3 of The Dark Tower was published, some woman in her 80s wrote him and told him she doubted she'd live long enough to see the finish so could he please tell her how it was all going to turn out. He wrote back an apology explaining he didn't have the faintest idea.

She was probably lucky.
 
2012-02-23 11:42:21 PM  
Not familiar with the dude. His Wikipedia entry makes him sound entertaining as hell though.

/CSB: The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick is also a fantastic alternate history novel based in the aftermath of an Axis victory in World War 2. Read it if you haven't.
 
2012-02-23 11:43:55 PM  

Wayne 985: Not familiar with the dude. His Wikipedia entry makes him sound entertaining as hell though.

/CSB: The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick is also a fantastic alternate history novel based in the aftermath of an Axis victory in World War 2. Read it if you haven't.


He isn't really sci-fi.
 
2012-02-24 12:01:11 AM  

Sabyen91: Wayne 985: Not familiar with the dude. His Wikipedia entry makes him sound entertaining as hell though.

/CSB: The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick is also a fantastic alternate history novel based in the aftermath of an Axis victory in World War 2. Read it if you haven't.

He isn't really sci-fi.


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2012-02-24 12:03:03 AM  

Teufelaffe: Sabyen91: Wayne 985: Not familiar with the dude. His Wikipedia entry makes him sound entertaining as hell though.

/CSB: The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick is also a fantastic alternate history novel based in the aftermath of an Axis victory in World War 2. Read it if you haven't.

He isn't really sci-fi.

notsureifserious.jpg


Well, not pure sci-fi. The alternate histories he writes usually have some sci-fi in it but I wouldn't call that a sci-fi writer.

/Maybe that is pedantic.
//Don't care.
 
2012-02-24 12:09:36 AM  

Wayne 985: Not familiar with the dude. His Wikipedia entry makes him sound entertaining as hell though.


yeah, before his writing decayed into every single series being ww2 with new wallpaper.

still, the old stuff is great, and he is still a pretty cool dude.
 
2012-02-24 12:13:16 AM  

Sabyen91: Teufelaffe: Sabyen91: Wayne 985: Not familiar with the dude. His Wikipedia entry makes him sound entertaining as hell though.

/CSB: The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick is also a fantastic alternate history novel based in the aftermath of an Axis victory in World War 2. Read it if you haven't.

He isn't really sci-fi.

notsureifserious.jpg

Well, not pure sci-fi. The alternate histories he writes usually have some sci-fi in it but I wouldn't call that a sci-fi writer.

/Maybe that is pedantic.
//Don't care.


I agree that alternate histories as a genre are not really sci-fi, with Dick's being no exception. I would say, however, that the dozen or so books/stories he wrote that have been adapted into movies mostly fall into the sci-fi realm. As to whether or not that makes him a "sci-fi author"...meh, you're probably right and that's verging into pedantry.
 
2012-02-24 12:17:51 AM  
lol, A thread about a beautiful gesture is turning into a discussion of how shiat the author is.
 
2012-02-24 12:18:01 AM  
Harlan Ellison would have told him, then killed him.
 
2012-02-24 12:49:35 AM  

RoyBatty: Bunnyhat: I love Turtledove.
Many of his series are excellent reads.
But the man has just gotten lazy with the Atlantis series and this new WW2 series.


When I was a kid and reading Turtledove in the pages of Analog, I was 98% convinced he lived nearish me, because many of his characters for whatever reason, were all streetnames in my neighborhood. And this happened in short story after short story. It was really cool. And strange.

Finally I had to send him a C&D and that finally stopped it. To this day, I don't know what his problem was.


huh?
 
2012-02-24 12:49:54 AM  

Teufelaffe: Sabyen91: Teufelaffe: Sabyen91: Wayne 985: Not familiar with the dude. His Wikipedia entry makes him sound entertaining as hell though.

/CSB: The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick is also a fantastic alternate history novel based in the aftermath of an Axis victory in World War 2. Read it if you haven't.

He isn't really sci-fi.

notsureifserious.jpg

Well, not pure sci-fi. The alternate histories he writes usually have some sci-fi in it but I wouldn't call that a sci-fi writer.

/Maybe that is pedantic.
//Don't care.

I agree that alternate histories as a genre are not really sci-fi, with Dick's being no exception. I would say, however, that the dozen or so books/stories he wrote that have been adapted into movies mostly fall into the sci-fi realm. As to whether or not that makes him a "sci-fi author"...meh, you're probably right and that's verging into pedantry.


The new term, from what I gather, is "speculative fiction," not "science fiction." It doesn't have a great ring to it, but I guess it's more encompassing and accurate.
 
2012-02-24 12:54:36 AM  

9beers: Ever notice that it's always reddit users doing cool shiat like this? What the fark has anybody on Fark done?


In our defense, we also don't sit around, savoring the smell of our own farts.
 
2012-02-24 12:54:47 AM  
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