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(USA Today)   President Obama steps out of his Magical Time Machine for a speech on immigration: "I've got another five years coming up. We're going to get this done"   (content.usatoday.com) divider line 13
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2012-02-23 04:11:23 PM
6 votes:
Well, he does.
2012-02-23 09:13:58 PM
2 votes:

jvl: King Something: Only thirteen months?

You seem to be unaware of the filibuster, which the GOP has been using very frequently over the past 37 months. They have a cloture-proof 'majority' in the Senate almost the entire time President Obama has been in office and they have not been the least bit shy in exploiting this.

Does Obama plan on having both houses plus a two-thirds majority in the Senate in the next five years?

And again, even Filibusters leave voting records. And nothing prevents the House from voting. So farking PROPOSE SOMETHING instead of vague-handwavy I'm-on-yourside bullfark and get stuff on record.


You mean like the DREAM act which keeps getting filibustered? There are already proposals out there that aren't going anywhere, Obama's would just be one more of them.
2012-02-23 08:31:13 PM
2 votes:

jvl: Corvus: jvl: So why not start with a proposal now? Or back when both houses of Congress were Democratic? Even GW Bush managed to actually make a proposal despite a lack of popularity for the idea. It's almost as if he was not really serious about this issue.

Because congress is busy with important matters like telling women they are slutty whores who should shut up and keep their legs together.

The Republicans have had exactly one house of Congress for 13 months now, so naturally you blame them for everything that happened in the last 37 months?

How about this: if he's really serious. Propose SOMETHING. Get both Republicans and Democrats on record with an actual vote. Or, if not serious, he can keep on trolling the hispanic voters.


Only thirteen months?

You seem to be unaware of the filibuster, which the GOP has been using very frequently over the past 37 months. They have a cloture-proof 'majority' in the Senate almost the entire time President Obama has been in office and they have not been the least bit shy in exploiting this.
2012-02-23 08:30:34 PM
2 votes:

soy_bomb: Oh that debunked claim again?


Claim in thread: Most total deportations.

Additional claim in article that wasn't mentioned in thread: 55% of the deportations included those who had committed felonies or misdemeanors.

Debunking: Total number of deportations not in dispute but not enough of them were criminals. Evidence for this is a chart that says "Most Serious ICE Charge" which, at best, supports the claim that these people being mentioned in the 55% number may not have been picked up for new charges while saying nothing about prior convictions that didn't lead to deportation under the pre-Obama admin way of doing things. In other words, an illegal immigrant with a DUI from 2000 who got picked up by ICE now wouldn't have a new ICE charge but would still be someone who would qualify as one with a criminal record for the 55% claim.

So, soy_bomb, you managed to "debunk" a claim that wasn't claimed by citing materials that don't even address the claim you were trying to debunk and which don't even sufficiently debunk the claim they were addressing.

It takes a special kind of derping to lose in a fight with your own strawman.
2012-02-23 04:34:36 PM
2 votes:
He leaves office January 20th, 2017. That's one month short of 5 years.

I'm sorry you aren't good at counting, subby.
2012-02-24 09:54:32 AM
1 votes:
This quote

Obama:"You know, we live in a democracy. We don't live in a monarchy. I'm not the king. I'm the president. And so, I can only implement those laws that are passed through Congress."

reminds me of this other quote

Bush:"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just as long as I'm the dictator."

Knowing what words to use to express a similar thought makes quite a difference on how the message is received.
2012-02-23 11:41:11 PM
1 votes:

soy_bomb: Jesterling: 9beers: Get what done? We know it's not securing the border and depleting illegals, so what is it?
Deplete them of what? Also, stop talking.
Obama administration reports record number of deportations (new window)

Oh that debunked claim again?


Neither of your links says he isn't deporting more illegals, the first one even says "record number of deportations" they are addressing the percentage of that record number of deported aliens that have engaged in other criminal activity. It stands to reason that simply deporting more illegals, simply because they are here illegally, would see the percentage of illegals that are guilty of other crimes being deported drop.
2012-02-23 10:51:15 PM
1 votes:

finaboy: HellRaisingHoosier: 9beers: Get what done? We know it's not securing the border and depleting illegals, so what is it?

You're wrong.
We've increased security by added boots on the ground and border surveillance.

Statistics:
400,000 people were deported in 2011
392,862 people were deported in 2010
390,000 people were deported in 2009
(FYI - fewer than 120,000 people were deported in 2001)

There have been more deportations by ICE and Border Patrol under President Obama then there were by President Bush's and Clinton's administrations combined.

Yeah, but what's the count on how many weapons we've supplied them with vs. how many of our "boots on the ground" have been murdered by said weapons?


The BATFE was expanded under Bush, and has been running amok ever since. These thugs run high speed and low drag like they're mandated by god to take every risk possible and impose whatever stupid rules they want. They've been doing stupid shiat well before Obama got there and I wouldn't be surprised at all they were keeping the details about Fast And Furious under wraps so they could claim all the glory.

The planning for this complete failure started with a related operation designed to use the SAME EXACT TACTICS, under BUSH.

You can't try and lay this at Obama's feet if you can't go back to the very beginning of this fiasco unless you can prove that it was Obama or Holder to initiated the program. Neither did, that would be Bush and more specifically Alberto Gonzales.

But don't let facts get in the way of the narrative, that's not American, because socialism, or whatever strawman you're going to throw out there.
2012-02-23 08:08:00 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Get what done? We know it's not securing the border and depleting illegals, so what is it?


You're wrong.
We've increased security by added boots on the ground and border surveillance.

Statistics:
400,000 people were deported in 2011
392,862 people were deported in 2010
390,000 people were deported in 2009
(FYI - fewer than 120,000 people were deported in 2001)

There have been more deportations by ICE and Border Patrol under President Obama then there were by President Bush's and Clinton's administrations combined.
2012-02-23 08:05:29 PM
1 votes:

Catsaregreen: I HATE Obama with a passion, but have conceded the fact that he's gonna win again in November. Apparently the Republicans are too stupid to find a suitable candidate.


Why the hate? What has he ever done to you? For that matter, I don't see how you can show the country is demonstrably worse off for his presidency given the state in which the country was given to him. Nor do I see how what he has done is that different a course than any Democratic president except Kucinich would have pursued (especially Hillary Clinton). Other Democrats might not have had the balls to take the chance to kill Bin Laden, but I don't see how you'd hate him for that. So what is it?
2012-02-23 07:57:18 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Did you really link to Judicial Watch?


He linked to two places, neither of which debunked what he claimed to.
Both of them discussed that the criminal percentage of those deported has gone down.
Neither of them addressed the raw number of deportations.
2012-02-23 04:39:18 PM
1 votes:

what_now: He leaves office January 20th, 2017. That's one month short of 5 years.

I'm sorry you aren't good at counting, subby.


Rounding by year, how does it work?
2012-02-23 04:17:59 PM
1 votes:
Sad to say but if he wins another 4 years I am almost certain there will be more than one attempt at removing him from office. The extreme right wing talk these days is absolutely toxic and if they truly believe what they are saying the don't really see any choice but to act.
 
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