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(The Hill)   New Gallup poll: If the election were held today, 50 percent of those polled would support Romney, versus 46 percent who would support Obama, but it all could change in the next two weeks if Romney and Santorum keep their mouths open   (thehill.com) divider line 205
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2012-02-23 04:17:23 PM
Noooooooo!
 
2012-02-23 04:18:24 PM
So Romney and Santorum are holding their own against Obama, when they've been in the spotlight for months and Obama hasn't actually started campaigning or addressing them?

Yeah, that's a terrible sign.
 
2012-02-23 04:18:32 PM
 
2012-02-23 04:18:51 PM
I know Obama isn't that great but geez, people, you really want another guy from the party that gave us W this soon?
 
2012-02-23 04:19:00 PM
Ok, people are stupid. We get it.

Though considering Obama has yet to even start campaigning this year, it doesn't take Nostradamus to predict that the Republican candidate is going to get slaughtered. The senate and house races will be interesting to watch, though.
 
2012-02-23 04:19:08 PM
Unlikely tag absent?
 
2012-02-23 04:19:23 PM
And if the presidential race was decided by a pure popular vote then I guess that would mean something.

Or if this poll wasn't the an outlier to a dozen others showing Obama in the lead.
 
2012-02-23 04:19:34 PM
Oh yeah, the latest poll of farkers has Obama beating Romney 95-5 percent and Santorum 110-0 percent. Which one you gonna believe?
 
2012-02-23 04:20:12 PM

Bloody William: So Romney and Santorum are holding their own against Obama, when they've been in the spotlight for months and Obama hasn't actually started campaigning or addressing them?

Yeah, that's a terrible sign.


Are you saying this is bad news....for somebody?
 
2012-02-23 04:20:20 PM

Luneward: Ok, people are stupid. We get it.

Though considering Obama has yet to even start campaigning this year, it doesn't take Nostradamus to predict that the Republican candidate is going to get slaughtered. The senate and house races will be interesting to watch, though.


I'm more interested in certain propositions in Washington and colorado
 
2012-02-23 04:21:03 PM
Yeah, not buying that poll as accurate. The GOP's candidates are a clown show, full of theocrats, totalitarians, fascists, cooperate whores, anti-education, and anti-women's rights.

Electing any of them would be a disaster on an epic scale.
 
2012-02-23 04:21:08 PM
My numbers show me that, among cranky old white men, not-Obama will get 100% of the vote.

I play Halo with a guy who's 70 and he believes literally every bad thing he's ever heard about Obama.
 
2012-02-23 04:21:13 PM

NateGrey: Will we all have to wear these?

To millions of Mormons around the world, garments are a special piece of clothing worn as a symbolic gesture of the promises that they have made to God. The garment is always worn under other clothing, next to the skin (new window)


better than cutting of the end of your pecker i guess
 
2012-02-23 04:21:53 PM

Luneward: Ok, people are stupid. We get it.

Though considering Obama has yet to even start campaigning this year, it doesn't take Nostradamus to predict that the Republican candidate is going to get slaughtered. The senate and house races will be interesting to watch, though.


Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Classic.
 
2012-02-23 04:21:57 PM
Which is the outlier? The Gallup poll that says Romney is up by 4, or the Rasmussen poll that says Romney is down by 10?
 
2012-02-23 04:22:25 PM
starting to smell like jimmy carter around here..
 
2012-02-23 04:23:52 PM
For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?
 
2012-02-23 04:24:58 PM
From the comments:

Osama Obama Biden (Bi)n La(den)
One coincidence? Two coincidences?
The odds of the president's and vice president's last names combined having the same 9 consecutive letters as the name of the most wanted terrorist is over 5 trillion to 1.

With the media in on the last election, it's why Sarah Palin was added to the McCain ticket. They had no intention of winning. Why do you think Republicans gained so many seats in the last midterm? Sarah and McCain were part of a coup. Obama was turned after he won the election to take down those who make up the "organized community" that he spoke about. The link in my name exposes the biggest cover up in history.

Link (new window)


Awesome.
 
2012-02-23 04:25:14 PM

Backwards Cornfield Races:

I'm more interested in certain propositions in Washington and colorado


Good point. I should pay more attention to those. Maybe if more of the right propositions get through or are shot down in state races, the politicians will stop using them as national push-button issues and it will stop being an issue.

Oh, who am I kidding. I'm not THAT stupid.
 
2012-02-23 04:25:26 PM

Kibbler: My numbers show me that, among cranky old white men, not-Obama will get 100% of the vote.

I play Halo with a guy who's 70 and he believes literally every bad thing he's ever heard about Obama.


Goddammit...why I can't I have someone that provides me with that level of entertainment in my everyday life.

The closest I got was the Fox-watching tea-bagger that worked the night shift at my old job. I used to ask him every morning "How many people do you think are going to make up a Death Panel?"
 
2012-02-23 04:25:31 PM
Obama (D) Romney (R)
RCP Average 2/8 - 2/22 -- 49.0 43.9 Obama +5.1

Obama (D) Santorum (R)
RCP Average 2/8 - 2/22 -- 49.9 43.6 Obama +6.3

Link (new window)

Q7 If the candidates for President this year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 42%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q12 If the candidates for President this year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Santorum, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Rick Santorum................................................ 44%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

Link (new window)
 
2012-02-23 04:25:53 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Go on with my regular life?
 
2012-02-23 04:27:04 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Laugh as America continues its descent into a third world hell governed by religious fanatics who make the Taliban look reasonable.

Laughter is really all you can do when people are so damned intent on voting to make themselves into second class citizens and slaves.
 
2012-02-23 04:27:42 PM

Cytokine Storm: From the comments:

Osama Obama Biden (Bi)n La(den)
One coincidence? Two coincidences?
The odds of the president's and vice president's last names combined having the same 9 consecutive letters as the name of the most wanted terrorist is over 5 trillion to 1.

With the media in on the last election, it's why Sarah Palin was added to the McCain ticket. They had no intention of winning. Why do you think Republicans gained so many seats in the last midterm? Sarah and McCain were part of a coup. Obama was turned after he won the election to take down those who make up the "organized community" that he spoke about. The link in my name exposes the biggest cover up in history.

Link (new window)

Awesome.


That website nearly made my eyes bleed. I did enjoy this tidbit:

Code or coincidence?
Sarah Palin and John McCain claimed to be a Mavericks
Mark Cuban the "Rich Jerk" above owns the Dallas Mavericks basketball team
Obama claims his basketball name was Barack O'Bomber
Sarah Palin claims her basketball name is Sarah Barracuda
Obama claims to have been born in Hawaii
Sarah Palin claims to have attended school at Hawaii Hilo and graduated from U of Idaho in Moscow Idaho
Sarah Palin claims to be able to see Russia from her house
Mark Cuban was under investigation for insider trading of a search engine company named Mamma
Sarah Palin claims to be a Mama Grizzly
Obama was a Chicago Senator
Chicago Bears Chicago Cubs is likely where Mama Grizzly came from
Gayle King and Oprah were both news anchors
Sarah Palin claims to have also been a news anchor
 
2012-02-23 04:28:01 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Probably be laid off.
 
2012-02-23 04:28:50 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Hope that looking at him forces his quantum political superposition to settle on a position that doesn't drive the country into a nuclear war or an economic collapse worse than the Great Depression.
 
2012-02-23 04:29:39 PM
Somehow, I really don't believe in those poll results.

I am willing to bet on it as well. Maybe I need to put some money down before the polls become more realistic.
 
2012-02-23 04:30:38 PM

Serious Black: Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?

Hope that looking at him forces his quantum political superposition to settle on a position that doesn't drive the country into a nuclear war or an economic collapse worse than the Great Depression.


Yeah, but all that stuff would teach people not to be brown, poor, or dirty sluts.
 
2012-02-23 04:31:10 PM
I'm not sure what it is but Gallup seems to be the Rasmussen of 2012. In a variety of polls: presidential approval, generic congressional ballots, right track/wrong track, head to heads, they always have Obama/Dems coming out consistently lower that most other pollsters. They poll daily too, so they have a lot of weight in the polling averages that everyone uses. I almost hate to admit it, but I like how RCP averages their pools, they only use the most recent poll from any given pollster. So that pollster can't spam the average and skew the result.
 
2012-02-23 04:31:15 PM
This is what we call an "outlier".
 
2012-02-23 04:31:16 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Support him as the duly elected President of the United States. I will not try everything in my power to make sure he is a one-termer even if those actions damage the economy and sharpen the political polarization of the country.
 
2012-02-23 04:31:23 PM

Luneward: Ok, people are stupid. We get it.

Though considering Obama has yet to even start campaigning this year, it doesn't take Nostradamus to predict that the Republican candidate is going to get slaughtered. The senate and house races will be interesting to watch, though.


The campaigner-in-chief has been running for reelection since waking up after the '08 election. Seriously everything that guy does is some publicity shoot to make himself look engaged in solving the issues. But instead he just likes making catchy slogans and smiling and hoping nobody actually looks at his non-existence record from the last 4 years
 
2012-02-23 04:31:24 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Suffer, the same as every other American who isn't wealthy.
 
2012-02-23 04:31:26 PM

NateGrey: Will we all have to wear these?

To millions of Mormons around the world, garments are a special piece of clothing worn as a symbolic gesture of the promises that they have made to God. The garment is always worn under other clothing, next to the skin (new window)


No, only Mormons will get to wear those. The rest of us will have to wear these (sort of NSFW) because no one should be having sex unless God says so, and he doesn't say so.
 
2012-02-23 04:31:49 PM
yet another writer doesn't understand "margin of error" by using the phrase "statistically tied"
 
2012-02-23 04:31:54 PM
Considering that a few weeks ago it was Obama vs Romney tied at 48% apiece, I'd say the talk hasn't done what subbie is claiming.

Most liberals say the US doesn't want true conservatism, so accusation from his rivals that Romney isn't a true conservatism would tend to help him, yes?

And maybe more have noticed that despite the touting of good economic news, there are still loads of unemployed including the uncounted discouraged and overlooked involuntary part timers.
 
2012-02-23 04:32:12 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?

Probably be laid off.


I really don't believe things would change that much.

The House and Senate are more important in the next election, IMO.

Now if Santorum were elected...

(Don't think that'll happen)
 
2012-02-23 04:32:44 PM

Mrtraveler01: Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?

Go on with my regular life?


Pretty much this. I've got a six figure job that weathered the recession without much trouble so I'll probably be better off than the people who voted for Romney.
 
2012-02-23 04:33:06 PM

colon_pow: starting to smell like jimmy carter around here..


It smells more like the Shah of Iran to me. But dont worry, Obama will be deposed soon and we will have the "Ayatollah" in power. Then President Santorum will put a fatwa out on liberals, minorities and women, and finally us conservatives can have the country we've dreamed of, just a bunch of straight white men enjoying each others company. Gay marriage is a sin, but gay casual sex is just good old fashioned toe tappin frat boy pranks. Boys will be boys! Vote Republican.
 
2012-02-23 04:34:05 PM

Le Grand Inquisitor: Luneward: Ok, people are stupid. We get it.

Though considering Obama has yet to even start campaigning this year, it doesn't take Nostradamus to predict that the Republican candidate is going to get slaughtered. The senate and house races will be interesting to watch, though.

The campaigner-in-chief has been running for reelection since waking up after the '08 election. Seriously everything that guy does is some publicity shoot to make himself look engaged in solving the issues. But instead he just likes making catchy slogans and smiling and hoping nobody actually looks at his non-existence record from the last 4 years


So since his record is non-existent that means he's not a Socilaist Marxist Fascist radical Islamist tyrant, then?
 
2012-02-23 04:36:30 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: So since his record is non-existent that means he's not a Socilaist Marxist Fascist radical Islamist tyrant, then?


No, that's on his long form record.
 
2012-02-23 04:36:36 PM
TFA Headline: Gallup: Romney up by four on Obama

TFA: "The poll has a 4 percent margin of error, so the results mean Obama is statistically tied with both candidates."

TFA headline if it were honest: Gallup: Romney statistically tied with Obama
 
2012-02-23 04:37:32 PM
All polls that show Obama losing the election are run by evil Republican corporations who spin the numbers.

All polls that show Obama winning the election are run by objective statisticians and represent the pinnacle of the profession of statistical sampling.
 
2012-02-23 04:39:40 PM

beta_plus: All polls that show Obama losing the election are run by evil Republican corporations who spin the numbers.

All polls that show Obama winning the election are run by objective statisticians and represent the pinnacle of the profession of statistical sampling.


You know the poll said they're statistically tied right?

Besides, we don't even know if Romney will win the primairy, let alone the general election.

Me, I'm hoping the GOP shoots themselves in the foot and nominates Santorum.
 
2012-02-23 04:40:13 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


I met a girl from Venus, and her insides were lined in gold
Well, she did what she did said "How was it, kid?"
She was politely told
"Pretty good, not bad, I can't complain
But actually everything is just about the same."
 
2012-02-23 04:41:04 PM

Doc Daneeka: TFA Headline: Gallup: Romney up by four on Obama

TFA: "The poll has a 4 percent margin of error, so the results mean Obama is statistically tied with both candidates."

TFA headline if it were honest: Gallup: Romney statistically tied with Obama


so it's not enough to give the poll results and margin of error?
they have to do the math too?
and give a little liberal spin while they're at it?

ok.
 
2012-02-23 04:41:04 PM
What's truly funny is hearing liberals complain about conservative alarmism over Obama, then come out with gems like these:

FirstNationalBastard

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?

Laugh as America continues its descent into a third world hell governed by religious fanatics who make the Taliban look reasonable.

Laughter is really all you can do when people are so damned intent on voting to make themselves into second class citizens and slaves.


Serious Black

Hope that looking at him forces his quantum political superposition to settle on a position that doesn't drive the country into a nuclear war or an economic collapse worse than the Great Depression.

Philip Francis Queeg

Suffer, the same as every other American who isn't wealthy.

and most of all this:

you are a puppet

It smells more like the Shah of Iran to me. But dont worry, Obama will be deposed soon and we will have the "Ayatollah" in power. Then President Santorum will put a fatwa out on liberals, minorities and women, and finally us conservatives can have the country we've dreamed of, just a bunch of straight white men enjoying each others company. Gay marriage is a sin, but gay casual sex is just good old fashioned toe tappin frat boy pranks. Boys will be boys! Vote Republican.
 
2012-02-23 04:42:25 PM

Serious Black: Which is the outlier? The Gallup poll that says Romney is up by 4, or the Rasmussen poll that says Romney is down by 10?


It really says something when even Rasmussen says the GOP are going to lose to Obama.
 
Bf+
2012-02-23 04:42:43 PM
I call bullshiat.
If not for anything else other than my desperate need to believe people aren't thatstupid.
 
2012-02-23 04:44:17 PM

Bf+: I call bullshiat.
If not for anything else other than my desperate need to believe people aren't thatstupid.


markhumphrys.com

/Enough said
 
2012-02-23 04:46:29 PM
I seriously don't get the FUD about Romney. Policy-wise nothing scares me about him. What's the big concern, that he will waffle back and forth on principles based on what the electorate wants? OMGNOOOOOO!

/I only vote third party for POTUS so please don't take this as supporting Romney or Obama
 
2012-02-23 04:47:50 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Start whinging about "wanting my country back" without really saying what that means. Hold forth with vague, weasely threats of violence such as "second-amendment solutions" without having the courage to back them up. Call for senators to use anonymous holds and filibusters to shut down every executive branch responsibility. Attempt to sabotage the economy in order to make the president look bad.

/Did I get that right? Was that the right answer?
 
2012-02-23 04:48:14 PM

colon_pow: Doc Daneeka: TFA Headline: Gallup: Romney up by four on Obama

TFA: "The poll has a 4 percent margin of error, so the results mean Obama is statistically tied with both candidates."

TFA headline if it were honest: Gallup: Romney statistically tied with Obama

so it's not enough to give the poll results and margin of error?
they have to do the math too?
and give a little liberal spin while they're at it?

ok.


It's not liberal spin. Saying that they are statistically-tied is fact, and is the most accurate way of summarizing the poll results.

Saying that Romney is up 4 pts on Obama, when they are in fact statistically-tied, is misleading and inaccurate. And in fact is conservative spin.
 
2012-02-23 04:48:16 PM
This is bad news for Romney and Santorum
 
2012-02-23 04:51:07 PM

grotto_man: What's truly funny is hearing liberals complain about conservative alarmism over Obama, then come out with gems like these:

[my comment listed]


I was being facetious. In reality, there's no way President Romney wouldn't start a nuclear war with Iran or drive the country's economy into the third world.
 
2012-02-23 04:51:21 PM

the_geek: I seriously don't get the FUD about Romney. Policy-wise nothing scares me about him.


You might want to take a look at his tax plan. And his thoughts on increasing military spending. Then figure out how he'll manage to balance the budget like he claims.
 
2012-02-23 04:51:34 PM

phritz: Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?

Start whinging about "wanting my country back" without really saying what that means. Hold forth with vague, weasely threats of violence such as "second-amendment solutions" without having the courage to back them up. Call for senators to use anonymous holds and filibusters to shut down every executive branch responsibility. Attempt to sabotage the economy in order to make the president look bad.

/Did I get that right? Was that the right answer?


No, you're just a dirty traitorous liberal if you did any of those things.

/Did I do that right?
 
2012-02-23 04:52:10 PM

Le Grand Inquisitor: Luneward: Ok, people are stupid. We get it.

Though considering Obama has yet to even start campaigning this year, it doesn't take Nostradamus to predict that the Republican candidate is going to get slaughtered. The senate and house races will be interesting to watch, though.

The campaigner-in-chief has been running for reelection since waking up after the '08 election. Seriously everything that guy does is some publicity shoot to make himself look engaged in solving the issues. But instead he just likes making catchy slogans and smiling and hoping nobody actually looks at his non-existence record from the last 4 years


his non-existence record that is destroying America?
 
2012-02-23 04:53:35 PM

grotto_man: What's truly funny is hearing liberals complain about conservative alarmism over Obama, then come out with gems like these:


Consider that Obama has never said "I wish to take your guns," and yet that's a primary piece of alarmism.

Now, several of these candidates have said specifically "I will attack Iran," and tell me that's the same level of alarmism.
 
2012-02-23 04:55:08 PM

grotto_man: What's truly funny is hearing liberals complain about conservative alarmism over Obama, then come out with gems like these:

FirstNationalBastard

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?

Laugh as America continues its descent into a third world hell governed by religious fanatics who make the Taliban look reasonable.

Laughter is really all you can do when people are so damned intent on voting to make themselves into second class citizens and slaves.

Serious Black

Hope that looking at him forces his quantum political superposition to settle on a position that doesn't drive the country into a nuclear war or an economic collapse worse than the Great Depression.

Philip Francis Queeg

Suffer, the same as every other American who isn't wealthy.

and most of all this:

you are a puppet

It smells more like the Shah of Iran to me. But dont worry, Obama will be deposed soon and we will have the "Ayatollah" in power. Then President Santorum will put a fatwa out on liberals, minorities and women, and finally us conservatives can have the country we've dreamed of, just a bunch of straight white men enjoying each others company. Gay marriage is a sin, but gay casual sex is just good old fashioned toe tappin frat boy pranks. Boys will be boys! Vote Republican.


lol. You consider it alarmism to say that republican men will all start having sex with each other if Santorum is elected.
 
2012-02-23 04:55:09 PM

grotto_man: What's truly funny is hearing liberals complain about conservative alarmism over Obama, then come out with gems like these:

FirstNationalBastard

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?

Laugh as America continues its descent into a third world hell governed by religious fanatics who make the Taliban look reasonable.

Laughter is really all you can do when people are so damned intent on voting to make themselves into second class citizens and slaves.

Serious Black

Hope that looking at him forces his quantum political superposition to settle on a position that doesn't drive the country into a nuclear war or an economic collapse worse than the Great Depression.

Philip Francis Queeg

Suffer, the same as every other American who isn't wealthy.

and most of all this:

you are a puppet

It smells more like the Shah of Iran to me. But dont worry, Obama will be deposed soon and we will have the "Ayatollah" in power. Then President Santorum will put a fatwa out on liberals, minorities and women, and finally us conservatives can have the country we've dreamed of, just a bunch of straight white men enjoying each others company. Gay marriage is a sin, but gay casual sex is just good old fashioned toe tappin frat boy pranks. Boys will be boys! Vote Republican.


When Obama and the Democrats spend 4 years trying to destroy the country because their side didn't win, and decide that the most important issues involve raping women with plastic wands for Jesus's magic fetal cell souls, denying people rights because of their sexuality, and generally trying to take the country backward into the '50s... 1850s, that is, conservative outrage won't be mocked for being alarmist.

Conservative outrage is based on "ZOMG, HE COULD DO THIS! WHAT ABOUT JESUS!?!?" Liberal alarmism is based on fact that's right in front of everyone's faces.

Kinda like the whole God vs. Science debate... one side is clinging to what may be, the other side is looking at facts they can see.
 
2012-02-23 04:55:40 PM

the_geek: What's the big concern, that he will waffle back and forth on principles based on what the electorate wants? OMGNOOOOOO!


My concern is that a President Romney would be a rubber stamp for a much more conservative Congress.
 
2012-02-23 04:56:50 PM
RCPs list of all current Obama v Romney polls (new window). This Gallup one is the only recent one that has Romney winning (+4) with the next closest result having Romney losing by 2.
 
2012-02-23 04:58:36 PM

theknuckler_33: RCPs list of all current Obama v Romney polls (new window). This Gallup one is the only recent one that has Romney winning (+4) with the next closest result having Romney losing by 2.


Also note the relatively small sample size. It also polled Registered Voters which, from what Nate Silver says, are typically less reliable results than polls conducted with Likely Voters.
 
2012-02-23 04:59:47 PM

Bf+: I call bullshiat.
If not for anything else other than my desperate need to believe people aren't thatstupid.


Yeah, you don't live in the same reality as the rest of us, do you? I have complete faith in the fact that large portions of the country vote based off of emotional push-button issues and selective sound bites that appeal to their confirmation bias.
 
2012-02-23 05:00:05 PM
Where was this poll held? Texas?
 
2012-02-23 05:02:17 PM

colon_pow: Doc Daneeka: TFA Headline: Gallup: Romney up by four on Obama

TFA: "The poll has a 4 percent margin of error, so the results mean Obama is statistically tied with both candidates."

TFA headline if it were honest: Gallup: Romney statistically tied with Obama

so it's not enough to give the poll results and margin of error?
they have to do the math too?
and give a little liberal spin while they're at it?

ok.


So its cool that the ignore the facts to give it a rightist spin? Hypocrit, much?
 
2012-02-23 05:02:56 PM

theknuckler_33: RCPs list of all current Obama v Romney polls (new window). This Gallup one is the only recent one that has Romney winning (+4) with the next closest result having Romney losing by 2.


The only polls that matter are those that forecast results in the swing states.

A national poll only looks at general sentiment and is otherwise useless. As an example, Obama can be up 10 points in California, but down 1 point in each of 6 swing states. Overall looks good, but that is misleading.
 
2012-02-23 05:03:23 PM

Overfiend: What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Demand to see his birth certificate.
 
2012-02-23 05:03:47 PM
People need to understand Gallup. You call them and tell them what you want a poll to say, they design one to say it, profit.
 
2012-02-23 05:03:49 PM
This week's "please keep paying attention to the race, our advertisers need the exposure" story. This election was wrapped up months ago.
 
2012-02-23 05:04:23 PM

the_geek: I seriously don't get the FUD about Romney. Policy-wise nothing scares me about him. What's the big concern, that he will waffle back and forth on principles based on what the electorate wants? OMGNOOOOOO!


I think the problem is that, knowing he'll say anything and adopt any position to get elected, you're electing someone to the highest office without any idea what his real agenda is. I'm not too worried if he's a weak president who waffles on issues. I'm more concerned that he has an actual agenda that he has not made clear.
 
2012-02-23 05:05:44 PM

Doc Daneeka: colon_pow: Doc Daneeka: TFA Headline: Gallup: Romney up by four on Obama

TFA: "The poll has a 4 percent margin of error, so the results mean Obama is statistically tied with both candidates."

TFA headline if it were honest: Gallup: Romney statistically tied with Obama

so it's not enough to give the poll results and margin of error?
they have to do the math too?
and give a little liberal spin while they're at it?

ok.

It's not liberal spin. Saying that they are statistically-tied is fact, and is the most accurate way of summarizing the poll results.

.


No, that is not the most accurate way to summarize the poll results.

Being within a margin of error is not a statistical tie. There is a reason the numbers are reported 50/46 with a margin of error of 4 points, instead of 50/50 with a margin of error of 4 points.
 
2012-02-23 05:07:04 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: the_geek: I seriously don't get the FUD about Romney. Policy-wise nothing scares me about him. What's the big concern, that he will waffle back and forth on principles based on what the electorate wants? OMGNOOOOOO!

I think the problem is that, knowing he'll say anything and adopt any position to get elected, you're electing someone to the highest office without any idea what his real agenda is. I'm not too worried if he's a weak president who waffles on issues. I'm more concerned that he has an actual agenda that he has not made clear.


I think his real agenda is abundantly clear: Aiding large corporations and the wealthy at the expense of everyone else.
 
2012-02-23 05:07:21 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Same thing I'm going to do if the sun doesn't come up. I don't know what that is, because there's no reason to worry about it.
 
2012-02-23 05:07:59 PM

Headso: I know Obama isn't that great but geez, people, you really want another guy from the party that gave us W this soon?


It'll change when Obama actually starts his campaign. He has been mostly just sitting back, collecting campaign donations letting the GOP snipe at each other.
 
2012-02-23 05:09:36 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: No, that is not the most accurate way to summarize the poll results.

Being within a margin of error is not a statistical tie. There is a reason the numbers are reported 50/46 with a margin of error of 4 points, instead of 50/50 with a margin of error of 4 points.


Dude. You gonna get raped. It's gonna be ugly. We're talkin like two or three 40lb boxes of rape here.
 
2012-02-23 05:10:17 PM
Yep, not worried about a Romney presidency. He is, after all, a liberal repub. Nothing wrong with liberal repubs. The country could do a lot worse than four years of a liberal repub running things. I can live with a liberal repub for president.

Liberal. Liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal.
 
2012-02-23 05:11:05 PM

Doc Daneeka: Saying that Romney is up 4 pts on Obama, when they are in fact statistically-tied, is misleading and inaccurate. And in fact is conservative spin.


how dense can you be, Doc? The poll results are the poll results. it's not misleading or inaccurate to give out the poll results.

quit cryin or i'll slap ya
 
2012-02-23 05:11:25 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: I think his real agenda is abundantly clear: Aiding large corporations and the wealthy at the expense of everyone else.


I expect you're right but that's just very highly probable. I know I'm old fashioned but I like actual statements on policy.
 
2012-02-23 05:12:14 PM
What this poll doesn't take into account is that if current primary voting patterns are any indication, actual GOP turnout in the general election is going to be at record lows. If the Dems vote at regular levels, it will be an Obama landslide.
 
2012-02-23 05:12:23 PM

Bloody William: So Romney and Santorum are holding their own against Obama, when they've been in the spotlight attacking each other for months and Obama hasn't actually started campaigning or addressing them yet had a single negative ad thrown his way?

Yeah, that's a terrible sign.


Indeed.
 
2012-02-23 05:13:47 PM

lennavan: tenpoundsofcheese: No, that is not the most accurate way to summarize the poll results.

Being within a margin of error is not a statistical tie. There is a reason the numbers are reported 50/46 with a margin of error of 4 points, instead of 50/50 with a margin of error of 4 points.

Dude. You gonna get raped. It's gonna be ugly. We're talkin like two or three 40lb boxes of rape here.


Yeah, only because people don't know what margin of error means.

"The terms "statistical tie" and "statistical dead heat" are sometimes used to describe reported percentages that differ by less than a margin of error, but these terms can be misleading.[8][9] For one thing, the margin of error as generally calculated is applicable to an individual percentage and not the difference between percentages, so the difference between two percentage estimates may not be statistically significant even when they differ by more than the reported margin of error. The survey results also often provide strong information even when there is not a statistically significant difference."

What is more interesting is that when 0bama is down, the press uses the statistical tie (which is wrong), but when he is leading, they don't.
 
2012-02-23 05:14:00 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Le Grand Inquisitor: Luneward: Ok, people are stupid. We get it.

Though considering Obama has yet to even start campaigning this year, it doesn't take Nostradamus to predict that the Republican candidate is going to get slaughtered. The senate and house races will be interesting to watch, though.

The campaigner-in-chief has been running for reelection since waking up after the '08 election. Seriously everything that guy does is some publicity shoot to make himself look engaged in solving the issues. But instead he just likes making catchy slogans and smiling and hoping nobody actually looks at his non-existence record from the last 4 years

So since his record is non-existent that means he's not a Socilaist Marxist Fascist radical Islamist tyrant, then?


I think that means he wants to be a Socilaist Marxist Fascist radical Islamist tyrant but he's really really bad at it because it interferes with his golf game.
 
2012-02-23 05:14:04 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Philip Francis Queeg: I think his real agenda is abundantly clear: Aiding large corporations and the wealthy at the expense of everyone else.

I expect you're right but that's just very highly probable. I know I'm old fashioned but I like actual statements on policy.


You've seen his tax proposals, right?
 
2012-02-23 05:15:29 PM

colon_pow: Doc Daneeka: Saying that Romney is up 4 pts on Obama, when they are in fact statistically-tied, is misleading and inaccurate. And in fact is conservative spin.

how dense can you be, Doc? The poll results are the poll results. it's not misleading or inaccurate to give out the poll results.

quit cryin or i'll slap ya


It is misleading when that "lead" is within the margin of error for that particular poll.
 
2012-02-23 05:15:45 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Philip Francis Queeg: I think his real agenda is abundantly clear: Aiding large corporations and the wealthy at the expense of everyone else.

I expect you're right but that's just very highly probable. I know I'm old fashioned but I like actual statements on policy.


As others have said just check out his tax plan and his military spending ideas and then factor in his claims of balancing the budget and you'll get an idea of how loose your asshole will be after 4 years.
 
2012-02-23 05:16:10 PM
Just more proof that democracy doesn't work.
 
2012-02-23 05:16:31 PM

CujoQuarrel: Philip Francis Queeg: Le Grand Inquisitor: Luneward: Ok, people are stupid. We get it.

Though considering Obama has yet to even start campaigning this year, it doesn't take Nostradamus to predict that the Republican candidate is going to get slaughtered. The senate and house races will be interesting to watch, though.

The campaigner-in-chief has been running for reelection since waking up after the '08 election. Seriously everything that guy does is some publicity shoot to make himself look engaged in solving the issues. But instead he just likes making catchy slogans and smiling and hoping nobody actually looks at his non-existence record from the last 4 years

So since his record is non-existent that means he's not a Socilaist Marxist Fascist radical Islamist tyrant, then?

I think that means he wants to be a Socilaist Marxist Fascist radical Islamist tyrant but he's really really bad at it because it interferes with his golf game.


Ahhh, so he's a lazy shiftless Socialist Marxist Fascist radical Islamist tyrant. That's makes more sense.
 
2012-02-23 05:17:11 PM

cameroncrazy1984: colon_pow: Doc Daneeka: Saying that Romney is up 4 pts on Obama, when they are in fact statistically-tied, is misleading and inaccurate. And in fact is conservative spin.

how dense can you be, Doc? The poll results are the poll results. it's not misleading or inaccurate to give out the poll results.

quit cryin or i'll slap ya

It is misleading when that "lead" is within the margin of error for that particular poll.


why? Do you know what the Margin of Error means and when you can and can't use it to describe a statistical tie? The author obviously didn't.
 
2012-02-23 05:18:57 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: colon_pow: Doc Daneeka: Saying that Romney is up 4 pts on Obama, when they are in fact statistically-tied, is misleading and inaccurate. And in fact is conservative spin.

how dense can you be, Doc? The poll results are the poll results. it's not misleading or inaccurate to give out the poll results.

quit cryin or i'll slap ya

It is misleading when that "lead" is within the margin of error for that particular poll.

why? Do you know what the Margin of Error means and when you can and can't use it to describe a statistical tie? The author obviously didn't.


So, in your and wikipedia's minds, it can only be a statistical tie if the margin of error is 4 points and the lead is 3 points? That makes no logical sense.
 
2012-02-23 05:19:05 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: What is more interesting is that when 0bama is down, the press uses the statistical tie (which is wrong), but when he is leading, they don't.


Is that because his lead is outside of the margin of error like in these Rasmussen polls?

Link
 
2012-02-23 05:20:21 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: What is more interesting is that when 0bama is down, the press uses the statistical tie (which is wrong), but when he is leading, they don't.


that's because Obama is the grand wizard of the liberal media conspiracy, duh.
 
2012-02-23 05:22:15 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Monkeyhouse Zendo: the_geek: I seriously don't get the FUD about Romney. Policy-wise nothing scares me about him. What's the big concern, that he will waffle back and forth on principles based on what the electorate wants? OMGNOOOOOO!

I think the problem is that, knowing he'll say anything and adopt any position to get elected, you're electing someone to the highest office without any idea what his real agenda is. I'm not too worried if he's a weak president who waffles on issues. I'm more concerned that he has an actual agenda that he has not made clear.

I think his real agenda is abundantly clear: Aiding large corporations and the wealthy at the expense of everyone else.


We should also consider the additional agenda (also abundantly clear) of the conservative Congress that would probably accompany a Romney win. At the very least, we can expect that to include the Ryan Plan, ACA repeal, war with Iran, more spending, more tax cuts, more deregulation, reinstatement of DADT, the return of DOMA, a new and probably different NDAA, and probably the return of SOPA/PIPA.

There would also probably be measures similar to the Tea Party governors in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Florida: drug testing for welfare recipients, privatization of state functions and operations, union-busting, voter ID, anti-immigrant, anti-abortion, anti-education.
 
2012-02-23 05:22:54 PM

Talondel: Bloody William: So Romney and Santorum are holding their own against Obama, when they've been in the spotlight attacking each other for months and Obama hasn't actually started campaigning or addressing them yet had a single negative ad thrown his way?

Yeah, that's a terrible sign.

Indeed.


Link (new window)

Took me five seconds to find a negative ad.

Also those guys can't go five minutes without ranting about Obama soshulism.
 
2012-02-23 05:23:07 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: lennavan: tenpoundsofcheese: No, that is not the most accurate way to summarize the poll results.

Being within a margin of error is not a statistical tie. There is a reason the numbers are reported 50/46 with a margin of error of 4 points, instead of 50/50 with a margin of error of 4 points.

Dude. You gonna get raped. It's gonna be ugly. We're talkin like two or three 40lb boxes of rape here.

Yeah, only because people don't know what margin of error means.

"The terms "statistical tie" and "statistical dead heat" are sometimes used to describe reported percentages that differ by less than a margin of error, but these terms can be misleading.[8][9] For one thing, the margin of error as generally calculated is applicable to an individual percentage and not the difference between percentages, so the difference between two percentage estimates may not be statistically significant even when they differ by more than the reported margin of error. The survey results also often provide strong information even when there is not a statistically significant difference."

What is more interesting is that when 0bama is down, the press uses the statistical tie (which is wrong), but when he is leading, they don't.


Dude. Not only are you going to get raped but in this one post you actually just handed your rapists their 40lb boxes of rape, stuffed a ball gag in your mouth and started humming along to Nirvana's "Rape Me."

And as if that wasn't enough, you even presented another hole for raping, right at the end.
 
2012-02-23 05:24:49 PM
Oh boo hoo, the sky is falling.
Look, Obama has over a billion dollars from his supporters saved up for his add campaign. So when this shindig starts those idiots won't have a choice but to vote for him.

/the president's got this in the bag.
/chill out, have a cookie.
 
2012-02-23 05:26:02 PM
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2012-02-23 05:26:12 PM
Seriously, WTF WRT this poll?

Rasmussen has Obama up by close to 10 right now. That's Rasmussen, your pollster of choice if you want to know what old white guys are thinking. TPM poll average is below

dailydish.typepad.com

That said, this election could go either way- and most of what will cause Obama to lose is more or less out of his hands. Greek default leading to implosion of the Euro? That would cripple the US economy, drive us back into recession and probably cost him the election. Major Israeli strike on Iran, followed by attacks on tankers in Hormuz? Hello $7/gallon gas and a Romney presidency. Presidents get blamed for stuff like that even when they couldn't stop it.
 
2012-02-23 05:28:41 PM

colon_pow: starting to smell like jimmy carter around here..


Nah. Obama knows how to fight. He's almost as good at down and dirty politics as Bill Clinton was; heck, maybe better, considering he beat his wife in the primaries.

Example A: Obama knows that Romney is more difficult to beat than Santorum. So, it is in Obama's best interest to have Santorum win the nomination, or at least bloody Romney up as much as possible. The logical thing him to do towards those ends is to encourage Democrats to vote for Santorum in states with open primaries.

Like Michigan.

...where Obama just purchased a single-state ad buy attacking Romney for his comments on the auto bailout. One of Obama's Super PACs took the cue and did the same.

Link (new window)

Obama ain't Carter. He's Clinton. He's Johnson. He will win a second term.
 
2012-02-23 05:28:52 PM

beta_plus: All polls that show Obama losing the election are run by evil Republican corporations who spin the numbers.

All polls that show Obama winning the election are run by objective statisticians and represent the pinnacle of the profession of statistical sampling.


This is actually true, whichever way you flip it - to the extent that you pay any attention to polls at all, it's much better to go with the aggregates than with any of the individual polls. The assorted biases and methodological variants tend to cancel each other out.
 
2012-02-23 05:31:53 PM

cameroncrazy1984: colon_pow: Doc Daneeka: Saying that Romney is up 4 pts on Obama, when they are in fact statistically-tied, is misleading and inaccurate. And in fact is conservative spin.

how dense can you be, Doc? The poll results are the poll results. it's not misleading or inaccurate to give out the poll results.

quit cryin or i'll slap ya

It is misleading when that "lead" is within the margin of error for that particular poll.


so you're saying that the following is misleading:

If the election were held Thursday, 50 percent said they would support Romney, versus 46 percent who would support Obama, according to Gallup.
 
2012-02-23 05:32:12 PM
Bloody William
So Romney and Santorum are holding their own against Obama, when they've been in the spotlight for months and Obama hasn't actually started campaigning or addressing them?

Yeah, that's a terrible sign.


As others have said, it's also an outlier. I find it hard to believe that Obama has turned a 6 to 8 point lead into a 4 point deficit in the last couple weeks. It's not like there's been bad news for him and good news for Romney and Santorum.
 
Ant
2012-02-23 05:32:14 PM

Antimatter: Yeah, not buying that poll as accurate. The GOP's candidates are a clown show, full of theocrats, totalitarians, fascists, cooperate whores, anti-education, and anti-women's rights.

Electing any of them would be a disaster on an epic scale.


You're saying that something bad cannot happen because it would be bad?
 
2012-02-23 05:33:04 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: colon_pow: Doc Daneeka: Saying that Romney is up 4 pts on Obama, when they are in fact statistically-tied, is misleading and inaccurate. And in fact is conservative spin.

how dense can you be, Doc? The poll results are the poll results. it's not misleading or inaccurate to give out the poll results.

quit cryin or i'll slap ya

It is misleading when that "lead" is within the margin of error for that particular poll.

why? Do you know what the Margin of Error means and when you can and can't use it to describe a statistical tie? The author obviously didn't.

So, in your and wikipedia's minds, it can only be a statistical tie if the margin of error is 4 points and the lead is 3 points? That makes no logical sense.


somehow I think statisticians know more about this than you or some writer does. So I will go with what they write. Besides, you clearly didn't understand wiki.

But try thinking for a second. Do you think there is any difference between a 48:48 result and a 50:46 result if both polls had a margin of error of 4 points?
 
2012-02-23 05:35:32 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: What is more interesting is that when 0bama is down, the press uses the statistical tie (which is wrong), but when he is leading, they don't.


You mean like TFA? Oh wait.
 
2012-02-23 05:36:54 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Do you think there is any difference between a 48:48 result and a 50:46 result if both polls had a margin of error of 4 points?


We are 95% sure:

Romney is between 44% and 52%
Obama is between 44% and 52%

vs

Romney is between 46% and 54%
Obama is between 42% and 50%

Sure these are different but if you don't conclude the same thing for both, you're a farking moran.
 
Ant
2012-02-23 05:38:14 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Q12 If the candidates for President this year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Santorum, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Rick Santorum................................................ 44%
Undecided....................................................... 6%


What the fark is wrong with people!?! 44% is way too high!
 
2012-02-23 05:41:35 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: What is more interesting is that when 0bama is down, the press uses the statistical tie (which is wrong), but when he is leading, they don't.

Is that because his lead is outside of the margin of error like in these Rasmussen polls?

Link


Nope. 0bama has not always had a lead outside of the margin of error.
 
2012-02-23 05:43:01 PM

Cytokine Storm: From the comments:

Osama Obama Biden (Bi)n La(den)
One coincidence? Two coincidences?
The odds of the president's and vice president's last names combined having the same 9 consecutive letters as the name of the most wanted terrorist is over 5 trillion to 1.

With the media in on the last election, it's why Sarah Palin was added to the McCain ticket. They had no intention of winning. Why do you think Republicans gained so many seats in the last midterm? Sarah and McCain were part of a coup. Obama was turned after he won the election to take down those who make up the "organized community" that he spoke about. The link in my name exposes the biggest cover up in history.

Link (new window)

Awesome.


wtfamireading.jpg
 
2012-02-23 05:45:17 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: What is more interesting is that when 0bama is down, the press uses the statistical tie (which is wrong), but when he is leading, they don't.

Is that because his lead is outside of the margin of error like in these Rasmussen polls?

Link

Nope. 0bama has not always had a lead outside of the margin of error.


How much of a cheapass do you have to be to not get your O key fixed?
 
2012-02-23 05:45:34 PM
Here's my prediction: Obama wins the popular vote but loses in the electoral college. The state breakdown is basically the same as 2000 and 2004.
 
2012-02-23 05:47:25 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: What is more interesting is that when 0bama is down, the press uses the statistical tie (which is wrong), but when he is leading, they don't.

Is that because his lead is outside of the margin of error like in these Rasmussen polls?

Link

Nope. 0bama has not always had a lead outside of the margin of error.

How much of a cheapass do you have to be to not get your O key fixed?


THIS made me LOL. Office mates giving me the stink eye.
 
2012-02-23 05:48:27 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: Major Israeli strike on Iran


you just know netanyahu has been coordinating with romney on this.
 
2012-02-23 05:50:51 PM
 
2012-02-23 05:55:34 PM

colon_pow: starting to smell like jimmy carter around here..


Maybe it's your upper lip.
 
2012-02-23 05:55:38 PM
I see the polls are starting to reflect the opinions of the knuckledragging mouthbreathers who think Obama sets the price of gas.
 
2012-02-23 06:00:55 PM
 
2012-02-23 06:03:09 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Spend four years mocking Romney? And be happy I'm too old to be drafted.
 
2012-02-23 06:07:23 PM

Bloody William: So Romney and Santorum are holding their own against Obama, when they've been in the spotlight for months and Obama hasn't actually started campaigning or addressing them?

Yeah, that's a terrible sign.


In any event, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Gallup is not a credible pollster. It routinely releases polls which "just happen" to support the favored right wing narrative. That's because George Gallup Jr. was an evangelical who committed to turning the company a "ministry" instead of faithfully and accurately reporting public opinion. The real impetus for releasing these polls, which have no doubt been massaged, is to reinforce the narrative that Romney is the most electable candidate. The GOP elites desperately want this nomination process sewn up, and they want Mitt to be the guy.

Other recent polls consistently show Obama leading both Romney and Santorum.

Link (new window)
 
2012-02-23 06:08:29 PM
Boy, there sure are a lot of statisticals going on in here.

/Let's not forget about that old Bradley Effect either. Remember how that sunk 0ZER0bama0samaBinLyin last time!!!!
 
2012-02-23 06:08:56 PM
Meh. Individual polls are fraught with volatility. It's like looking at the Dow Industrial Average for only one day and trying to determine the state of the economy.

The better thing to look at is every poll result out there and then average them out, and then try to discern a trend.
 
2012-02-23 06:09:27 PM

thornhill: Here's my prediction: Obama wins the popular vote but loses in the electoral college. The state breakdown is basically the same as 2000 and 2004.


I'll take that bet. Obama would have won the Electoral College in 2008 with just the states where he received over 60% of the vote. People forget just how big a blowout that election was.

A lot can change between now and November, but barring anything monumental, I think Fartbongo's in a good place.
 
2012-02-23 06:12:02 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: Seriously, WTF WRT this poll?

Rasmussen has Obama up by close to 10 right now. That's Rasmussen, your pollster of choice if you want to know what old white guys are thinking. TPM poll average is below

[dailydish.typepad.com image 550x329]



This. Gallup is completely full of sh*t, and trying to influence the GOP primary narrative.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!
 
2012-02-23 06:12:10 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?

Laugh as America continues its descent into a third world hell governed by religious fanatics who make the Taliban look reasonable.

Laughter is really all you can do when people are so damned intent on voting to make themselves into second class citizens and slaves.


I really, really consider finding a universal field so I can GTFO if I have to some days...

/I'm female.
 
2012-02-23 06:12:37 PM

Ant: Dusk-You-n-Me: Q12 If the candidates for President this year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Santorum, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Rick Santorum................................................ 44%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

What the fark is wrong with people!?! 44% is way too high!


I think a lot of people are still not paying any attention yet. They don't know about Latin for a-hole, Spreading Santorum, singing to dead fetuses, banning condoms, Satan attacking America, etc. Yet. But they will before election day.
 
2012-02-23 06:12:39 PM

the_geek: I seriously don't get the FUD about Romney. Policy-wise nothing scares me about him. What's the big concern, that he will waffle back and forth on principles based on what the electorate wants? OMGNOOOOOO!

/I only vote third party for POTUS so please don't take this as supporting Romney or Obama


Someone saying he would make an amendment to the constitution that would make abortion and many form of contraception murder, doesn't bother you?
 
2012-02-23 06:12:53 PM

FlashHarry: that's interesting, a new poll has obama up in 12 swing states over both romney and santorum.


The most recent Quinnipac poll had Obama leading in Virginia, home of the transvaginal ultrasound.
 
2012-02-23 06:13:57 PM

FlashHarry: that's interesting, a new poll has obama up in 12 swing states over both romney and santorum.


Wha? You mean there's growing evidence that Gallup's numbers are inconsistent with basically every other poll out there? And these numbers are released just in time to influence Tuesday's elections?

Imagine that.
 
2012-02-23 06:15:07 PM

Ant: Dusk-You-n-Me: Q12 If the candidates for President this year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Santorum, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Rick Santorum................................................ 44%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

What the fark is wrong with people!?! 44% is way too high!


Want to really weep for the republic, check out what's on the front page of gallup.com

sas-origin.onstreammedia.com
 
2012-02-23 06:17:29 PM

Jesterling: Ant: Dusk-You-n-Me: Q12 If the candidates for President this year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Santorum, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Rick Santorum................................................ 44%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

What the fark is wrong with people!?! 44% is way too high!

Want to really weep for the republic, check out what's on the front page of gallup.com

[sas-origin.onstreammedia.com image 470x229]


So far, numerous other polls have been posted showing Obama in the lead. Gallup is giving bogus figures at a critical moment for maximum electoral impact.
 
2012-02-23 06:20:21 PM

bugontherug: So far, numerous other polls have been posted showing Obama in the lead. Gallup is giving bogus figures at a critical moment for maximum electoral impact.


Eh. I don't think Gallup is giving bogus figures at all. They just released a number that is a statistical outlier. That kind of stuff happens in polling, you never know who the people you reach are going to be. Bet you their next poll will show a completely different result.
 
2012-02-23 06:23:04 PM
I know I'm not the first to point it out, but this poll is quite apparently inaccurate.
 
2012-02-23 06:24:48 PM

RexTalionis: bugontherug: So far, numerous other polls have been posted showing Obama in the lead. Gallup is giving bogus figures at a critical moment for maximum electoral impact.

Eh. I don't think Gallup is giving bogus figures at all. They just released a number that is a statistical outlier. That kind of stuff happens in polling, you never know who the people you reach are going to be. Bet you their next poll will show a completely different result.


"Bogus" might have been too strong a word. Earlier I used "massaged." I don't think Gallup is likely to release completely false polling data, since if they get caught, their reputation is at stake. I absolutely think Gallup would headline an outlier at a critical moment to reinforce a preferred Republican narrative. I've seen it happen too many times now for it to be coincidence. If they're caught, they just give some rationalization for why they picked those numbers over the more realistic numbers.

This is their presidential daily tracking poll. Over the course of the next week or so, its numbers will gradually adjust themselves to comport with what every other poll is saying.
 
2012-02-23 06:25:03 PM

thamike: colon_pow: starting to smell like jimmy carter around here..

Maybe it's your upper lip.


no, that smells like your mom.
 
2012-02-23 06:27:26 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Drink. A lot.
 
2012-02-23 06:34:20 PM
Inconceivable. For all his blundering, illegal wars and shredding of the Constitution there is no way W will win another term.

This poll is wrong.
 
2012-02-23 06:35:28 PM
It may be small, but President Barack Obama has a lead over both Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum in 12 swing states, according to a new Purple Strategies poll. "These results may bring into question Mitt Romney's continued claim of electability," the pollsters analyzed. In total, when hypothetically matched against the president, Romney loses, 47 percent to 43 percent, while Obama leads Santorum only 46 percent to 44 percent.

Link (new window)

From the February 2012 Purple Poll (new window, .pdf)

Never heard of that one. Interesting.
 
2012-02-23 06:42:03 PM

RexTalionis: bugontherug: So far, numerous other polls have been posted showing Obama in the lead. Gallup is giving bogus figures at a critical moment for maximum electoral impact.

Eh. I don't think Gallup is giving bogus figures at all. They just released a number that is a statistical outlier. That kind of stuff happens in polling, you never know who the people you reach are going to be. Bet you their next poll will show a completely different result.


However I do believe gallups number have been getting more and more wonky. I don't believe they are fudging the number but I suspect that maybe their polling methodology is getting out of whack for some reason. Maybe they are doing land lines or something that is making them off.

And it's not just this. It seems to me like they have been more and more an outlier.
 
2012-02-23 06:44:29 PM

Corvus: However I do believe gallups number have been getting more and more wonky. I don't believe they are fudging the number but I suspect that maybe their polling methodology is getting out of whack for some reason. Maybe they are doing land lines or something that is making them off.


Their methodology is 600 landline calls and 400 random cell-phone calls per 1000 calls.
 
2012-02-23 06:49:14 PM
And just in time to boost the 'Romney is the only electable candidate' argument. What a coinky-dink.
 
2012-02-23 07:13:28 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Move to Canada in protest. Same as they did for Bush, twice.
 
2012-02-23 07:15:50 PM

watson.t.hamster: Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?

Move to Canada in protest. Same as they did for Bush, twice.


I'm still waiting for Rush Limbaugh to move to Costa Rica like he said he would if we passed Obamacare.

What a whimp.
 
2012-02-23 07:20:05 PM
At the end of the day ... the Republicans simply are not going to beat President Obama. It's Congress that's up in the air. It would be interesting to see if the Republican can hold the House; but the real contest is going to be seeing if the Democrats lose the Senate. I mean, who cares about the White House right now? But with the Republicans in control of both houses of Congress and President Obama in control of the veto pen - nothing - will be done in the United States for the next 4 years.

Remember 2006 - 2008? Forget that. No thank you.
 
2012-02-23 07:35:30 PM
"Registered voters" is not the same as "likely voters".
 
2012-02-23 07:41:03 PM
oh boy, tweetle dumber or tweetle dumberer

usa usa usa!

it's too bad that ron paul can't get any votes even though more people are voting for him...

meh, this is why i hate politics
 
2012-02-23 07:52:49 PM

colon_pow: thamike: colon_pow: starting to smell like jimmy carter around here..

Maybe it's your upper lip.

no, that smells like your mom.


At least you admit it.
 
2012-02-23 08:17:40 PM

Bunnyhat: And if the presidential race was decided by a pure popular vote then I guess that would mean something.

Or if this poll wasn't the an outlier to a dozen others showing Obama in the lead.


Because we all know that it shouldn't be, right?
 
2012-02-23 08:31:10 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


That would assume Romney is as consistent as day and night.

Sadly for you, he isn't; and once that flaw is exposed over and over, he won't be President.
 
2012-02-23 08:31:11 PM
Regardless of who they say is winning, polls should be considered garbage. I fark with them all the time.
 
2012-02-23 08:43:08 PM

bugontherug: RexTalionis: bugontherug: So far, numerous other polls have been posted showing Obama in the lead. Gallup is giving bogus figures at a critical moment for maximum electoral impact.

Eh. I don't think Gallup is giving bogus figures at all. They just released a number that is a statistical outlier. That kind of stuff happens in polling, you never know who the people you reach are going to be. Bet you their next poll will show a completely different result.

"Bogus" might have been too strong a word. Earlier I used "massaged." I don't think Gallup is likely to release completely false polling data, since if they get caught, their reputation is at stake. I absolutely think Gallup would headline an outlier at a critical moment to reinforce a preferred Republican narrative. I've seen it happen too many times now for it to be coincidence. If they're caught, they just give some rationalization for why they picked those numbers over the more realistic numbers.

This is their presidential daily tracking poll. Over the course of the next week or so, its numbers will gradually adjust themselves to comport with what every other poll is saying.


They released this data, knowing that it was in error most likely, simply to prop up Romney going into the big southern primaries where voters are going to favor Santorum because he more clearly aligns with their evangelical christian agenda.

This isn't about Obama at all, it's about propping up Mittens.

It's also pretty duplicitious on the part of Gallup, but not fraudulent (You can't prove that they realized their data was an outlier).
 
2012-02-23 08:47:28 PM
Yes, 50% polled by some right-leaning polling outfit would support someone right-leaning.

I'm shocked, I tell you...
 
2012-02-23 08:51:39 PM

the_geek: I seriously don't get the FUD about Romney. Policy-wise nothing scares me about him. What's the big concern, that he will waffle back and forth on principles based on what the electorate wants? OMGNOOOOOO!

/I only vote third party for POTUS so please don't take this as supporting Romney or Obama


If you don't like Romney's positions, wait ten minutes and he will change them.
 
2012-02-23 08:57:37 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-02-23 09:22:17 PM

Headso: I know Obama isn't that great but geez, people, you really want another guy from the party that gave us W this soon?


i know its really important to you, but can you give us a reason why someone who isnt emotionally invested in the democrats should care either way? particularly if its romney?
 
2012-02-23 09:46:23 PM

Ned Stark: Headso: I know Obama isn't that great but geez, people, you really want another guy from the party that gave us W this soon?

i know its really important to you, but can you give us a reason why someone who isnt emotionally invested in the democrats should care either way? particularly if its romney?


I'm not sure what this means.
 
2012-02-23 09:52:16 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:
What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


I left the country during Reagan's first term. So I'm kind of stuck.
 
2012-02-23 10:13:17 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: [i.imgur.com image 640x360]


i158.photobucket.com

Just sayin'.
 
2012-02-23 10:18:34 PM

TwistedFark: They released this data, knowing that it was in error most likely, simply to prop up Romney going into the big southern primaries where voters are going to favor Santorum because he more clearly aligns with their evangelical christian agenda.

This isn't about Obama at all, it's about propping up Mittens.


Yes, I agree that it is about Mittens, and it is about the primary, not the general. This poll will be long forgotten by November. For now, it reinforces Mitt's image as the "electable" Republican.
 
2012-02-23 10:39:06 PM
Who'd they poll? Fifty Senators and forty-six parking attendants in the GOP's Capitol Hill parking structure?
 
2012-02-23 10:50:33 PM
Wow, you mean they polled people after Romney has a good debate, and his numbers get a bounce?
1. Romney is going to have to spend a ton of money to get the nomination. Obama doesn't
2. Once it starts for real, Obama will be riding improved unemployment numbers, a recovering economy, and be sitting on a significant warchest.
3. The damage is done. Romney isn't going to win Michigan, which is gonna donkey punch his campaign
 
2012-02-23 11:20:36 PM
It'd be nice if pollsters required people to explain why they believed the way they did rather than just giving an either/or respose.

Hmmm, then again, finding out why these monkeys still supported the GOP would probably make my head asplode.
 
2012-02-23 11:24:59 PM

Serious Black: Which is the outlier? The Gallup poll that says Romney is up by 4, or the Rasmussen poll that says Romney is down by 10?


My brain asploded.
 
2012-02-23 11:26:01 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Learn to scavange shotgun shells to take out the 50 pound rats surrounding Vault 13.
 
2012-02-23 11:32:03 PM

Tor_Eckman: Boy, there sure are a lot of statisticals going on in here.

/Let's not forget about that old Bradley Effect either. Remember how that sunk 0ZER0bama0samaBinLyin last time!!!!


Heh, I had forgotten about the "Bradley effect". To be fair, Obama's name is not Bradley.
 
2012-02-23 11:33:15 PM

watson.t.hamster: Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?

Move to Canada in protest. Same as they did for Bush, twice.


Hey, Steven, why are you still here?
 
2012-02-23 11:35:14 PM

Ned Stark: Headso: I know Obama isn't that great but geez, people, you really want another guy from the party that gave us W this soon?

i know its really important to you, but can you give us a reason why someone who isnt emotionally invested in the democrats should care either way? particularly if its romney?


Do you have any idea what Romney stands for?

/Trick question
 
2012-02-23 11:36:06 PM

Bunnyhat: And if the presidential race was decided by a pure popular vote then I guess that would mean something.

Or if this poll wasn't the an outlier to a dozen others showing Obama in the lead.


And if "The Hill" weren't absurdly biased.
 
2012-02-23 11:37:16 PM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Continue living my life. Enjoy the tax cut despite knowing it's worse for the nation. find a way to profit off of any insanity he brings (I don't expect much tbh, aside from crony capitalism I think his turn to the right is all a show).

I'm more worried about the legislative branch.
 
2012-02-23 11:41:37 PM

Sabyen91: Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?

Learn to scavange shotgun shells to take out the 50 pound rats surrounding Vault 13.


As long as there aren't any Deathclaws.
 
2012-02-23 11:50:52 PM
Who cares? Flip a freaking coin already. With the exception of Ron Paul, there's not a dime's worth of difference between any of the candidates.
 
2012-02-23 11:55:38 PM

DrPainMD: Who cares? Flip a freaking coin already. With the exception of Ron Paul, there's not a dime's worth of difference between any of the candidates.


Fixed
 
2012-02-24 12:31:26 AM

DrPainMD: Who cares? Flip a freaking coin already. With the exception of Ron Paul, there's not a dime's worth of difference between any of the candidates.


Supreme Court nominations
 
2012-02-24 12:56:27 AM
If I understand it correctly, Gallop assumes that 40% of Americans are Republicans, 30% Independents, and 30% Democrats, and weighs all their polls that way, regardless of reality.
 
2012-02-24 01:10:02 AM

grotto_man: And maybe more have noticed that despite the touting of good economic news, there are still loads of unemployed including the uncounted discouraged and overlooked involuntary part timers.


I wish Bush could have had a third term. He'd have been able to keep the Republican winning streak going and we'd all be rich now.
 
2012-02-24 01:36:51 AM

Overfiend: For all of you who are so positive Obama will win:

What are you going to do if Romney is elected president?


Won't matter to me, cuz I'm well off.
Maybe I'll start wearing magic underwear and baptizing Mormons in the name of Satan.
 
2012-02-24 01:49:10 AM

andrewagill: herrDrFarkenstein: [i.imgur.com image 640x360]

[i158.photobucket.com image 640x360]

Just sayin'.


ThatsTheJoke.jpg
 
2012-02-24 01:53:23 AM

Sabyen91: Ned Stark: Headso: I know Obama isn't that great but geez, people, you really want another guy from the party that gave us W this soon?

i know its really important to you, but can you give us a reason why someone who isnt emotionally invested in the democrats should care either way? particularly if its romney?

Do you have any idea what Romney stands for?

/Trick question


What would you like him to stand for?
 
2012-02-24 03:24:41 AM

herrDrFarkenstein: Sabyen91: Ned Stark: Headso: I know Obama isn't that great but geez, people, you really want another guy from the party that gave us W this soon?

i know its really important to you, but can you give us a reason why someone who isnt emotionally invested in the democrats should care either way? particularly if its romney?

Do you have any idea what Romney stands for?

/Trick question

What would you like him to stand for?


I would love to see his response to heterosexual and homosexual dating. 10 to 1 says by the end of the day Mittens will be bi.

One thing to "flip-flop", every politician does it. Sometimes for good reasons (they learn or become wiser, or simply change their opinion), other times they do it for narcissistic political survival. Mittens is in a category all by himself. Never in my life have I really witnessed someone so void of any real thought. If it came down to it, I honestly believe he would try to court the Marxist vote. What does Mittens really stand for? Himself, and that is why this man should never be allowed to hold elected office.
 
2012-02-24 04:32:15 AM

Cletus C.: Oh yeah, the latest poll of farkers has Obama beating Romney 95-5 percent and Santorum 110-0 percent. Which one you gonna believe?


Given most of America isn't snarky, know-nothing teenagers spending 16 hours a day on the intarwebs and talk television, but people who spend their day getting shiat done, have mortages, paying taxes, and tending responsibilities... the former?

You don't seem to understand something: this isn't a majority, it's not even representative in proportion to majority. The internet is so minority it's almost nothing.
 
2012-02-24 05:04:39 AM

Terrible Old Man: Given most of America isn't snarky, know-nothing teenagers spending 16 hours a day on the intarwebs and talk television, but people who spend their day getting shiat done, have mortages, paying taxes, and tending responsibilities... the former?


Is this the imaginary talking point that Republicans are productive people, instead of bitter old retirees?

(I'd be very surprised if there were any teenagers posting to Fark's politics tab)
 
2012-02-24 05:49:31 AM
Still waiting on someone to provide a linky to one of the 4 conservative candidates who came out and said he would enact policy to make contraceptives illegal.

the "war on women" is a liberal talking point and you retards are gobbling it like the useful idiots you are.
 
2012-02-24 06:07:04 AM

Alphax: Is this the imaginary talking point that Republicans are productive people, instead of bitter old retirees?

(I'd be very surprised if there were any teenagers posting to Fark's politics tab)


Actual teenagers or people who think and act like them?

As I've often said, Obama's biggest supporters are children over the age of 18.
 
2012-02-24 06:36:49 AM

o5iiawah: useful idiots


Hear that, guys? Liberals are useful.
 
2012-02-24 06:56:14 AM

randomjsa: As I've often said, Obama's biggest supporters are children over the age of 18.


How many alts do they need to make them feel better?
 
2012-02-24 07:24:32 AM
Guess we'll see what happens in November...
 
2012-02-24 07:47:06 AM

o5iiawah: Still waiting on someone to provide a linky to one of the 4 conservative candidates who came out and said he would enact policy to make contraceptives illegal.

the "war on women" is a liberal talking point and you retards are gobbling it like the useful idiots you are.


Birth Control? Booooooooooooooo Booooooooooooooooo Boooooooooooooooooo
 
2012-02-24 08:05:29 AM

o5iiawah: the "war on women" is a liberal talking point and you retards are gobbling it like the useful idiots you are.


The only "retards" I see are the GOP base hootin' and hollerin' every time one of the GOP candidates says something regressive and insulting to women and all rational Americans.

Try taking that plank out of your own eye before pointing out the splinter in someone else's eye.

Some socialist hippie said that, I think...
 
MFL
2012-02-24 08:09:35 AM
Polls right now are meaningless. The entire media focus is the GOP candidates beating the crap out of each other, while Obama sings badly at the whitehouse. Romney will eventually become the nominee and the discussion will go back to Obama's record.

GOP will rally....game over
 
2012-02-24 08:11:55 AM

whidbey: Yes, 50% polled by some right-leaning polling outfit would support someone right-leaning.

I'm shocked, I tell you...


You were convinced the Republicans weren't going to win seats in 2010, because all your friends in Fark were lefties.
 
MFL
2012-02-24 08:13:29 AM
Obama being out of the spotlight is the best thing to ever happen to his presidency.
 
2012-02-24 08:17:16 AM

MFL: GOP will rally....game over


redriverpak.files.wordpress.com

Don't stop...Believin'!!!!
 
2012-02-24 08:56:56 AM

MFL: Polls right now are meaningless. The entire media focus is the GOP candidates beating the crap out of each other, while Obama sings badly at the whitehouse. Romney will eventually become the nominee and the discussion will go back to Obama's record.

GOP will rally....game over


Drooling mongoloids like NASCAR. Your use of the word "rally" is appropriate.
 
2012-02-24 09:12:11 AM

coeyagi: MFL: Polls right now are meaningless. The entire media focus is the GOP candidates beating the crap out of each other, while Obama sings badly at the whitehouse. Romney will eventually become the nominee and the discussion will go back to Obama's record.

GOP will rally....game over

Drooling mongoloids like NASCAR. Your use of the word "rally" is appropriate.


I can't honestly tell if he's making a joke/parody/troll post or not.
 
MFL
2012-02-24 10:07:54 AM

herrDrFarkenstein: o5iiawah: Still waiting on someone to provide a linky to one of the 4 conservative candidates who came out and said he would enact policy to make contraceptives illegal.

the "war on women" is a liberal talking point and you retards are gobbling it like the useful idiots you are.

Birth Control? Booooooooooooooo Booooooooooooooooo Boooooooooooooooooo


Obama re-election strategy

A. Reinforce to lemmings republicans are stupid and they are smart

B. Crank Economic turd polishing to 11

C. They want take ur Birrrth contooooooollll
 
2012-02-24 11:34:54 AM

Ant: Dusk-You-n-Me: Q12 If the candidates for President this year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Santorum, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Rick Santorum................................................ 44%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

What the fark is wrong with people!?! 44% is way too high!


That is the 44% that will vote Against Obama. You could put Ham Sandwich VS Obama and the stats would be the same.

I will not speculate on why they will vote that way but they will. If Obama personally gave them Jobs they would demand that he dance for them and still vote against him all while smiling a shiat eating grin.
 
2012-02-24 11:39:53 AM

mitEj: That is the 44% that will vote Against Obama. You could put Ham Sandwich VS Obama and the stats would be the same.


That's an insulting comparison.

Ham Sandwich would be a much better President than Santorum would.
 
2012-02-24 12:58:17 PM

MFL: A. Reinforce to lemmings republicans are stupid and they are smart


I think the GOP debates have done that for Obama.

MFL: B. Crank Economic turd polishing to 11


It's weird how numbers generally accepted during every other administration magically have become a devious socialist plot now.

MFL: C. They want take ur Birrrth contooooooollll


How is that wrong exactly?
 
2012-02-24 01:36:36 PM

MFL: herrDrFarkenstein: o5iiawah: Still waiting on someone to provide a linky to one of the 4 conservative candidates who came out and said he would enact policy to make contraceptives illegal.

the "war on women" is a liberal talking point and you retards are gobbling it like the useful idiots you are.

Birth Control? Booooooooooooooo Booooooooooooooooo Boooooooooooooooooo

Obama re-election strategy

A. Reinforce to lemmings republicans are stupid and they are smart

B. Crank Economic turd polishing to 11

C. They want take ur Birrrth contooooooollll


REPUBLICANS & BIRTH CONTROL

1. Moderator asks a question to GOP candidates: who will support birth control?

2. GOP primary voting audience: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

3. Every candidate says birth control causes immoral behavior and Romney even says it CAUSES out-of-wedlock births. Contraceptives CAUSE unplanned pregnancies - WTF???? Then they go on a rampage about abortion - linking two concepts that should not be (responsible contraceptives and abortion).

Spin it how you want dumbass, but it ain't positive. Every one of those dipshiats had the chance to say something like, "The right to use contraception is an important health choice for every American to have, but it is not the government's place to force any third party to pay to facilitate that right. Contraceptives are a citizen's right and a personal choice. Your employer doesn't have the responsibility to pay to facilitate your right to use contraceptives any more than they have the responsibility to pay for you to have a newspaper or website to exercise your right to free speech. I look forward to having a spirited debate about this with President Barack Hussein Obamacare in the general election."

Your party is farked. farked. farkED. farkEDfarkED come November because I (who completely support socialized medicine) can come up with a more coherent and bridge-building Republican talking point than your four "best" minds.

MWAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHH!
 
2012-02-24 01:46:20 PM

Nemo's Brother: whidbey: Yes, 50% polled by some right-leaning polling outfit would support someone right-leaning.

I'm shocked, I tell you...

You were convinced the Republicans weren't going to win seats in 2010, because all your friends in Fark were lefties.


Dude, you're just begging for the ignore list, aren't you?

So much for your superior political position, if you can't convince anyone of it without resorting to ridiculous rubber-stamp foot-in-mouth comments.

Your loss, I guess.
 
2012-02-24 05:46:15 PM

MFL: herrDrFarkenstein: o5iiawah: Still waiting on someone to provide a linky to one of the 4 conservative candidates who came out and said he would enact policy to make contraceptives illegal.

the "war on women" is a liberal talking point and you retards are gobbling it like the useful idiots you are.

Birth Control? Booooooooooooooo Booooooooooooooooo Boooooooooooooooooo

Obama re-election strategy

A. Reinforce to lemmings republicans are stupid and they are smart

B. Crank Economic turd polishing to 11

C. They want take ur Birrrth contooooooollll


Why do you hate America?
 
2012-02-24 06:47:18 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: andrewagill: herrDrFarkenstein: [i.imgur.com image 640x360]

[i158.photobucket.com image 640x360]

Just sayin'.

ThatsTheJoke.jpg


I understand that that's the joke.

Perhaps I should have phrased it ``Just Gloatin'.''

/Except that I don't want to gloat over anyone's death.
 
2012-02-24 07:10:46 PM

keylock71: The only "retards" I see are the GOP base hootin' and hollerin' every time one of the GOP candidates says something regressive and insulting to women and all rational Americans.


Please provide a link or quote to a candidate who said something insulting to women.

I stand by my point.
 
2012-02-24 07:17:10 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: 2. GOP primary voting audience: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


You realize they are booing because the issue never was birth control and it has since been spun so retardedly out of control that it hurts to even hear it. I remember the debate. though I forget who the moderator was, they spent a good 5 minutes or so trying to corece an answer out of the GOP field and nearly each and every one of them said they arent going to ban contraceptives and that it was a stupid question.

Even Fark favorite Santorum came out and said he personally opposes it as a moral principle but laughed at the notion that he was going to make it illegal.

The real issue which the liberal media continues to duck is whether or not the president can, by edict, instruct a private company or church to provide a good or service to another person. Nobody is campaigning on trying to ban contraceptives. Say that 10 times and let it sink in.
 
2012-02-24 07:36:35 PM

o5iiawah: herrDrFarkenstein: 2. GOP primary voting audience: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You realize they are booing because the issue never was birth control and it has since been spun so retardedly out of control that it hurts to even hear it. I remember the debate. though I forget who the moderator was, they spent a good 5 minutes or so trying to corece an answer out of the GOP field and nearly each and every one of them said they arent going to ban contraceptives and that it was a stupid question.

Even Fark favorite Santorum came out and said he personally opposes it as a moral principle but laughed at the notion that he was going to make it illegal.

The real issue which the liberal media continues to duck is whether or not the president can, by edict, instruct a private company or church to provide a good or service to another person. Nobody is campaigning on trying to ban contraceptives. Say that 10 times and let it sink in.


Citation needed. TGTFO
 
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