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2012-02-23 03:40:40 PM

zvoidx: Pixar makes great movies, are innovators and clearly are a team of creative geniuses...

That being said, watching this makes feel picky about the quality of the humans. Not quite like Andy from Toy Story, but similar. The girl in Brave stands out as more human-like because of her hair. I don't know what it is; maybe I've seen better and/or am expecting more...but I can't block out this perception.

/I'm sure once watching it as a whole story it will be entertaining, just because it's Pixar


There is a well known psychological phenomenon where if we see animated human characters on screen we are only comfortable if the are obviously cartoonish. Unbelievably life-like and even incredbily anthropomorphic is fine for animals and objects, but hyper-realistic animated humans just creep us out. It's why movies like "the Polar Express" and "Mars needs Mom" did so poorly at the box office
 
2012-02-23 03:46:48 PM

Carth: Lando Lincoln: minorshan: Really?

No, really? Because Up's was just balloons. But then, maybe you're one of those latexphiles. In which case, I stand down.

The trailer I saw was about a curmudgeony old man and a little boy scout. And the old man decides to tie thousands of balloons to his house and fly away. And the little boy scout gets stuck on his porch while they're flying.

I knew it was going to be quirky but fun, and I was right.

I think Nathan Fillion said it best when he said if your date doesn't cry in the first five minutes of Up just break up with them.


If you didn't look at your SO at the end of Up and vow to go "adventuring" with them, then you either don't have A) an SO or B) an S-O-U-L
 
2012-02-23 04:11:18 PM
A cut of 'up' which just includes the opening sequence and then the old man finding the rest of the book at the end would be an outstanding thing. Completely genuine and irresistible emotion in an animated sequence is remarkable.

The actual movie in the middle was pretty ordinary.
 
2012-02-23 04:13:03 PM

Phaeon: While I still enjoy it at the moment, I wonder how much longer the 'arrow splitting another arrow' trope is gonna stick around.


How many are left in your quiver?
 
2012-02-23 04:15:46 PM

Phaeon: While I still enjoy it at the moment, I wonder how much longer the 'arrow splitting another arrow' trope is gonna stick around.


Forever.

I've actually hit arrows with other arrows before, and it's a pain in the ass. Happens about once or twice a year, and if I'm *LUCKY* all it does if fark up the nock, which I can replace.
 
2012-02-23 04:19:45 PM

Elemental79: The movie is going to be really bad. Its cliched presentation reminded me of Tangled which was universally hated. Plus it is Pixar, a studio known for releasing garbage. I'm feeling pretty good about my judgment here. I've got lots of information to form a solid opinion.

/Will make the decision to see the movie based on reviews of the actual movie


Tangled was fun.

Up was fun.

Im sure there was a Pixar I hated, but I dont generally obsess about who makes the movies I enjoy with my kids.

The one thing I will never understand is why they waste money on celebrity voices. Even if they are worth the extra money by the time you make them use a scottish accent it may as well be role-gamers doing the voice overs.
 
2012-02-23 04:20:33 PM

Critch: Sorry, Pixar hasn't made the best CGI movie in several years


Dreamworks had a contender with Dragon, but TS3 was just better. Are you suggesting that Monsters vs Aliens was better than Up? That Kung Fu Panda or Madagascar 2 were better than Wall E? That Shrek 3 or Bee Movie were better than Ratatouille? That's crazy talk.

I'm surprised at the Dreamworks love here, considering the volume of crap they've produced in the past.
 
2012-02-23 04:21:59 PM

dittybopper: Yep. They got the Archer's Paradox *RIGHT*. I'm impressed. Looks like a movie the littlebopper and I would enjoy.


thats high praise
 
2012-02-23 04:23:39 PM

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: MadCat221: Lando Lincoln: Eh...okay. I guess. Not sure why some people are so excited about this one. Are they all drunk Irish?

Old and busted: Hating something because it's popular.

New hotness: Being apathetic to something because it's popular.

Fark has done the "being apathetic to something because it's popular" to death.

New Hotness: I have seen 2 minutes of a film and can now pass judgement.


Hell, that's been done to death on here too. I can't remember which movie it was, but a couple of years ago there were Farkers who reviewed a movie based solely on its poster. Sadly, they were entirely serious about it.


Hell, check out any board or thread (or god forbid reddit, at all,anywhere) that remotely touches on Mass Effect 3s demo.

People have the whole 40+ hour game figured out down to the ounce from a chopped up hour long demo.
 
2012-02-23 04:24:18 PM

archichris: The one thing I will never understand is why they waste money on celebrity voices


I think that celebrity voices are fine IF the celebrity brings something unique to the voice. Just getting big names for the sake of it is almost always a disaster. Look at the cast for Shark Tale, Robots, Bee Movie, Over the Hedge, Monsters vs Aliens, Megamind, etc. I think that Kung Fu Panda is one of the few animated movies that has succeeded with such a famous cast.
 
2012-02-23 04:30:40 PM

INeedAName: Subby is absolutely right, because on June 8th, I am going to see this! (new window)


Prometheus thread!!
 
2012-02-23 04:41:32 PM

Magorn: There is a well known psychological phenomenon where if we see animated human characters on screen we are only comfortable if the are obviously cartoonish. Unbelievably life-like and even incredbily anthropomorphic is fine for animals and objects, but hyper-realistic animated humans just creep us out. It's why movies like "the Polar Express" and "Mars needs Mom" did so poorly at the box office


Not quite. You're referring to the uncanny valley. The problem isn't things that look exactly like humans. It's things that look almost exactly like humans, but miss some tiny detail, often behavioural. The problem is that a lot of our ability to recognize other humans is based on automatic and instinctive cues in movement and behaviour that operate without our conscious awareness, triggered in part by our mirror neurons. Bascially, we expect humans to act like humans in all ways. When something that looks mostly like a human doesn't behave in ways that match the cues we expect, this triggers the aversion response. The less obviously human it is, the less of an issue this is, because our abstract reasoning and imagination can see them as like humans without being humans.

The trick appears to be to match how closely something looks like a human and acts like a human. There is evidence from computer games that you can make a very lifelike CGI character be relatable and emotionally engaging without tripping the uncanny valley effect, which seems to operate in tandem with how lifelike they behave. More lifelike behaviour makes a more lifelike appearance relatable.
 
2012-02-23 04:51:25 PM

dittybopper: GungFu: dittybopper: Fish in a Barrel: Beautiful arrow physics on that last release.

Yep. They got the Archer's Paradox *RIGHT*. I'm impressed. Looks like a movie the littlebopper and I would enjoy.


Yay! I was like, wtf is an archer's paradox thingy?This is why I love Fark. You can always learn new stuff amongst the flaming, trolling and lol cats.

Cheers dittybopper!

Archer's Paradox is very important to me:

[img189.imageshack.us image 640x201]


A Pair you say? Looks like he's only holding one.

cdn.screenrant.com
 
2012-02-23 04:52:36 PM

stainedglassdoll: My bad. Who was Ishkur referring to then, in that image he posted?


Jane, from Jane and the Dragon.
 
2012-02-23 04:53:52 PM

KiltedBastich: Bascially, we expect humans to act like humans in all ways. When something that looks mostly like a human doesn't behave in ways that match the cues we expect, this triggers the aversion response.


I've also heard the theory that this ability developed as a way to spot humans who were ill. the subtle wrongness of their look and behavior causes our subconscious mind to assume they have ebola or some other such horror
 
2012-02-23 04:56:52 PM

stainedglassdoll: My bad. Who was Ishkur referring to then, in that image he posted?


I wasn't referring to HtTYD, I was referring to Jane and the Dragon, that Weta Workshop TV show about 6 or 7 years ago featuring yet another spunky, red-headed tomboy in a medieval setting who refuses to be a lady-in-waiting and strikes out on her own.

Only with a pet dragon.

images.zap2it.com

Seriously, I didn't think it was that obscure, not for Fark.
 
2012-02-23 05:02:29 PM

Magorn: There is a well known psychological phenomenon where if we see animated human characters on screen we are only comfortable if the are obviously cartoonish. Unbelievably life-like and even incredbily anthropomorphic is fine for animals and objects, but hyper-realistic animated humans just creep us out. It's why movies like "the Polar Express" and "Mars needs Mom" did so poorly at the box office


It's called the Uncanny Valley.

It basically works like: When something looks nowhere near human, we tend to notice its human-like qualities (the positives). When something looks almost completely human, we tend to notice its flaws (the negatives). For some reason, we focus on the small things -- if something is 98% human, it's the 2% that stands out as being wrong. If something is 2% human, it's the 2% that stands out as being right.
 
2012-02-23 05:09:48 PM

archichris: Elemental79: The movie is going to be really bad. Its cliched presentation reminded me of Tangled which was universally hated. Plus it is Pixar, a studio known for releasing garbage. I'm feeling pretty good about my judgment here. I've got lots of information to form a solid opinion.

/Will make the decision to see the movie based on reviews of the actual movie

Tangled was fun.

Up was fun.

Im sure there was a Pixar I hated, but I dont generally obsess about who makes the movies I enjoy with my kids.

The one thing I will never understand is why they waste money on celebrity voices. Even if they are worth the extra money by the time you make them use a scottish accent it may as well be role-gamers doing the voice overs.


Yeah, I can see how making Billy Connelly, Craig Ferguson, Kelly Macdonald, Kevin McKidd, etc. go through vocal coaching to get the Scottish accent right is just throwing money right out the window.
 
2012-02-23 05:10:41 PM
Fark I am Disappoint.

This could have been a Red-Head thread so easy; you miss the chance and drone on about "Make a good cartoon"
 
2012-02-23 05:10:52 PM

FeedTheCollapse: Lando Lincoln: This is closer to the level of a Dreamworks picture.

Though I'm willing to bet the movie is probably better than what was shown, it did kind of look Dreamworks-esque.

WayToBlue: The opening of "Up" was great, the rest was slightly above "meh."



I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking this. The first 10 minutes or so of Up is great... but the rest is just pretty good. You'll notice how no one ever talks about anything but the first 10 minutes of the film.


Just out of curiosity, I went to a seminar on how screenplays are written.

You have observed one of the rules of screenwriting. You have to totally grab the audience in the first 10 minutes.

This is why you have explosions and chase scenes at the very beginning of some of the big budget summer movies. (Explosions in spy movies, little Jimmy Kirk's driving his stepfather's car off a cliff, car chases, and so on.)
 
2012-02-23 05:10:52 PM

Ishkur: stainedglassdoll: My bad. Who was Ishkur referring to then, in that image he posted?

I wasn't referring to HtTYD, I was referring to Jane and the Dragon, that Weta Workshop TV show about 6 or 7 years ago featuring yet another spunky, red-headed tomboy in a medieval setting who refuses to be a lady-in-waiting and strikes out on her own.

Only with a pet dragon.

[images.zap2it.com image 360x270]

Seriously, I didn't think it was that obscure, not for Fark.


Skyrmion: stainedglassdoll: My bad. Who was Ishkur referring to then, in that image he posted?

Jane, from Jane and the Dragon.


Cool, thanks. My misunderstanding. :)
 
2012-02-23 05:27:55 PM
yeah put me in the "I fail to see why people are so excited about a farking cartoon" camp too


INeedAName: Subby is absolutely right, because on June 8th, I am going to see this! (new window)


you lost me on this, why would you be excited to see that? you do realize all the aliens and spaceships and crap in that movie are only make believe right? well let me remind you, they're not real! they don't exist in real life!
 
2012-02-23 05:29:59 PM

Cinaed: Felt 'meh' about Up. Then I saw it.
Felt 'meh' about Downton Abbey. Then I saw it.
Felt 'meh' about The Wire. Then I saw it.

Don't go discounting something til you actually 'see' it .


If I were you I'd stop discounting things, because you obviously suck at it. Other people (like me) are much better at it.
 
2012-02-23 05:37:31 PM

Heron: Lando Lincoln: Eh...okay. I guess. Not sure why some people are so excited about this one. Are they all drunk Irish?

Character design seems good, the personality of the protagonist seems engaging, and it appears from what little we've seen so far to be a unique take on a fantasy quest story. That's why I'm interested to see it. What exactly, other than the ethnicity of the cast, do you find off-putting?


Well...the idea of having an archery contest to win a fair maiden's hand, when it's obvious everybody in the village / region sucks at archery is kinda weird. Either they're all gay or don't want to marry a little girl and thus are intentionally trying not to win or nobody hunts with bows in that village / region.

The ethnicity was over the top for a Pixar film. That's usually Dreamworks territory to use ethnicity as a comedic crutch.
 
2012-02-23 05:39:00 PM

Imaginary Cheese Jedi: yeah put me in the "I fail to see why people are so excited about a farking cartoon" camp too


INeedAName: Subby is absolutely right, because on June 8th, I am going to see this! (new window)

you lost me on this, why would you be excited to see that? you do realize all the aliens and spaceships and crap in that movie are only make believe right? well let me remind you, they're not real! they don't exist in real life!


Yes, yes, another cinema snob.

Perhaps stories with unexplored lore excite me and I'm looking forward to see where things go. But y'know, keep bein an arse.
 
2012-02-23 06:13:38 PM

Imaginary Cheese Jedi: yeah put me in the "I fail to see why people are so excited about a farking cartoon" camp too


INeedAName: Subby is absolutely right, because on June 8th, I am going to see this! (new window)

you lost me on this, why would you be excited to see that? you do realize all the aliens and spaceships and crap in that movie are only make believe right? well let me remind you, they're not real! they don't exist in real life!


static.someecards.com
 
2012-02-23 06:23:40 PM
bgddy24601:

no one, I just don't see what's so great about "entertainment' that's composed of stories and situations that never actually happened
 
2012-02-23 06:35:41 PM
I will support anything Craig Ferguson does voice acting in.
 
2012-02-23 06:44:57 PM

GungFu: GreatGlavinsGhost: capitulating fromage masticating simian: Lando Lincoln: Eh...okay. I guess. Not sure why some people are so excited about this one. Are they all drunk Irish?

Scottish, you dipshiat

Will there be English subtitles?

Fark the English and their subtitles, bunch of effete arseholes. Ah don't hate da English, they're just wankers.


You're speaking Scottish, aren't you?

Can't understand a single word you posted. Maybe if you post slower and/or louder?

/Oblig (new window)
 
2012-02-23 06:59:53 PM

Imaginary Cheese Jedi: I just don't see what's so great about "entertainment' that's composed of stories and situations that never actually happened


So...95% of "entertainment"?
 
2012-02-23 07:01:19 PM

bgddy24601: Imaginary Cheese Jedi: I just don't see what's so great about "entertainment' that's composed of stories and situations that never actually happened

So...95% of "entertainment"?


I'd put it closer to 99.99% but yeah
 
2012-02-23 07:20:04 PM

Skyrmion: I'm looking forward to seeing this movie. That said, I'm forced to agree with the "It looks like How to Train Your Dragon without the dragons" comment.


It's also got another thing in common with HtTYD: Craig Ferguson. That alone is enough for me to see it.
 
2012-02-23 07:51:49 PM

dittybopper: Fish in a Barrel: Beautiful arrow physics on that last release.

Yep. They got the Archer's Paradox *RIGHT*. I'm impressed. Looks like a movie the littlebopper and I would enjoy.


And the fletching callus on her cheek.
 
2012-02-23 08:12:01 PM
Nice touch with the fletchings cutting her cheek.
 
2012-02-23 08:54:24 PM

nocturn: dittybopper: Fish in a Barrel: Beautiful arrow physics on that last release.

Yep. They got the Archer's Paradox *RIGHT*. I'm impressed. Looks like a movie the littlebopper and I would enjoy.

And the fletching callus on her cheek.


Really?

I mean really???

Attention to detail is fine and it apparently wanks the enthusiasts but let me paraphrase someone smarter than me..."Since when is verisimilitude the object of animation?"

Emphasis mine.
 
2012-02-23 09:43:29 PM

tlchwi02: dittybopper: Yep. They got the Archer's Paradox *RIGHT*. I'm impressed. Looks like a movie the littlebopper and I would enjoy.

thats high praise


You dropped this:
www.tvtime101.com
 
2012-02-23 10:40:54 PM
Great , just what my princess crazy niece needs. And red head just like her. At least I won't have to watch Tangled as much.
 
2012-02-23 11:06:52 PM

gimmeafarkinname: nocturn: dittybopper: Fish in a Barrel: Beautiful arrow physics on that last release.

Yep. They got the Archer's Paradox *RIGHT*. I'm impressed. Looks like a movie the littlebopper and I would enjoy.

And the fletching callus on her cheek.

Really?

I mean really???

Attention to detail is fine and it apparently wanks the enthusiasts but let me paraphrase someone smarter than me..."Since when is verisimilitude the object of animation?"

Emphasis mine.


It gives credence to her skills at archery. She didn't magically come by these skills like she would in any other grrrl power film, animated or otherwise. That little detail, the callus, suggests she worked, practiced, and labored at archery to get as good as she did. Instead of a few months of labor, quickly ran through to an uplifting score, the ever cliched "training montage" it suggests that this is something she's done for quite some time. (yes, I know, calluses don't take that long to develop).

In storytelling, you don't tell, you show. And that little detail says quite a bit about her character.

Unfortunately, it'll take "the wanks" to notice and appreciate this. :P

Just another reason why Pixar is the top animation company.
 
2012-02-24 12:11:49 AM
For everyone calling for an Incredibles 2 movies, where can it go? I loved the Incredibles and my first thought afterward was when is the sequel. But then I thought about it and realized it really does not have anywhere to go. It had a good set up and a villain who had a backstory. Trying to do another stand alone episode will feel hollow and boring. No matter what kind of story it is. All the characters have been fleshed out, there is no where else to go with them. Having them be older would just feel stale and cliche.
 
2012-02-24 05:12:17 AM

Iggie: This, and the fact that for some inexplicable reason the makers of HtTYD decided to give some of the Vikings Scottish accents.


I hope in HTTYD2, they meet up with dragon riding Highlanders with Scandinavian accents.
 
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