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2012-02-23 02:18:24 PM  
My local arco station in Sac went from 3.49 to 4.17 in nine days. NINE DAYS.

/Volkswagon rabbit
//still weeping
 
2012-02-23 02:26:52 PM  

acad1228: Backwards Cornfield Races: acad1228: Okay guys, go ahead and hate on me. I'm a part of this. I design oil derricks. With oil at $105/bbl, we're busier than we've ever been. I make money like never before. Tomorrow I'll get my next paycheck; it will have 39 hours of overtime on it. I checked the other day and found out I'm bringing home about $1000 more per paycheck than I was three years ago. Go ahead, curse my name./Republican
//Oklahoman
///Baptist
////Conservative
//Catfish Noodler

Do you work in oklahoma or north dakota in the bakken?I work in a nice comfy office in Tulsa. And I just got asked to stay late tonight and tomorrow night, and to come in on Saturday. (I'm not going to make any plans for Sunday. I the past 12 weeks I've had exactly 3 days off. Ah well, at least they're paying me well. I'll rest when I'm dead.)


That's cool. I'd just prefer less work for less money and more time to actually enjoy my life. But if work is your thing, go for it!
 
2012-02-23 02:27:27 PM  

Medical Toilet: Rapmaster2000: [abcnews.go.com image 478x413]

Whoa, the delta between regular and premium is only $.20? Around here it used to be that way, but roughly 5 years ago it suddenly became $.30 so that midgrade is $.15 above regular and so on.

My car knocks on mid-grade (stupid high compression ratio) so I have to use premium. The negative side of having power. I'm old now so I think my next car will be a Koreacon Econobox 2000, or maybe some type of motorized skateboard.

What's amusing about that is that even when gas was cheaper... let's say 1998, in Kingsville, Texas to give a specific example.

There's a photo floating around the internets from Kingsville, TX circa Dec. 1998 that showed regular unleaded at .79 cents/gallon, midgrade at 89, and premium at 99. I remember filling up cheaper in Missouri and Georgia around the same time - about 67 cents/gallon.

But your point about delta continues to knock me over with a feather.

Consider this (rough math ahead).

If you have a 20 gallon tank, in my Kingsville, TX example it would cost $15.80 to fill up with 20 gallons, even of the regular unleaded. It would cost $19.80, exactly $4 more to fill up with premium. Unleaded was about 80% of the cost of premium.

Today, using the gas buddy.com estimate for the same station in Kingsville...it's 3.45 unleaded, 3.57 midgrade, 3.69 premium. So despite the increase in price, the delta has only gone up minimally.

Meaning... if you have a 20 gallon tank, it now costs $69 to fill up with regular unleaded, and $73.80 to fill up premium.

With the increase in price, the cost of a tank of unleaded gas is now 93% of the cost of a tank of premium. And as the cost goes up, and the delta stays moderately constant, it starts to become more cost-effective to fill up with premium.

For example... let's look at one of the more expensive cities in the country - Los Angeles, which right now has about the higest gas prices in the nation, even higher than Hawaii.

Right now, at a Chevron statio ...


When I bought a brand new car last year, and I told people it takes premium gas, they all thought I was stupid. They asked if I knew just HOW MUCH MONEY I would be spending on extra gas per year!
I calculated it out...at about 24mpg city, a short commute, I fill up probably 40 times a year. 14 gallon tank, 20 cents more per gallon. Math is pretty easy on this guys. The SHOCK and OMG YOU'RE SO DUMB FOR BUYING A CAR THAT TAKES PREMIUM LOLOLOLOL costs me an extra 112 bucks a year. Ohh noooo I'm going to go broke because I bought a sports car.

The funny thing about it is that my old car got about 16-18mpg (I went from a V6 auto to a turbocharged V4 manual). So I was SAVING MONEY on gas by buying a new car, even if that car was a GTI.

Some people still just don't understand, even when I show them the maths. 112 bucks extra / year to have a fast, fun car over a shiatty ecobox? A bargain.
 
2012-02-23 02:31:41 PM  
No one should be surprised. The oil companies told Obama that if they didn't get their pipeline, he would be sorry. Did anyone doubt them?
 
2012-02-23 02:56:35 PM  

DonPepper: More people should work from home. Cut out the cost of gas and the pollution and traffic congestion. Win win win

/works from home
//loves it


It's illegal for me to work from home. The entire firm is obligated to do our work under the direct supervision of the licensed architect that will be signing the drawings. Telecommuting does not fall under that nor would any of us tolerate having Microstation clogging up our personal computers. Not that my computer at home could even run it.

/9 year old e-machine at home
//surfs the net well, does GIMP and is paid for
 
2012-02-23 02:57:29 PM  
i1163.photobucket.com
Not biking 14 miles one way (the only direct route is via the freeway, by bike it would be longer than 14 miles).

i796.photobucket.com
Damn sure not walking 14 miles to work.

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2.5 hours to get to work (convoluted bus routes, bad timetables, and the monthly pass that includes express routes is $100)

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2 hours to get to work (The coaster is fast, but I have to drive 6 miles west to get to it, whereas, I work 14 miles to the north. Taking the bus (which we already established sucks), would make this a 2.5 hour commute as well, also, that $100 bus pass doesn't include coaster access (you need to pay ~$1 extra per day, each way))

i171.photobucket.com
There are no no Carpool lanes on my route (my onramp is unmetered).

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/10 minutes to get to work with no traffic (asscrack of dawn or the dead of night).
/20-30 minutes to get to work normally (by 9:30 am)
/1 hour to get to work (by 8:00 am)
/Daily gas cost for round trip, ~$6 (which is earned within the first few minutes of me being at work)
/not my car, but the same make/model/year



//public transportation here sucks, welcome to California.
 
2012-02-23 03:17:46 PM  

Resolute: Average price in Calgary is 109.9/L, so $4.16 per gallon. Never thought I'd see the day where our gas was cheaper than yours.

/suckers


Gas is 126.00 here is the old heartland of Canada... I can remember going to work at Louise in the mid 90's and gas in Ontario was something like .40/liter and a staggering 65 cents a liter in Cowtown .... Crazy.... Yup... Those were the days (rocks in chair on porch and spits chew into timmies cup).

I guess that oil speculators have replaced lawyers (though not by much) as the scourge of the earth.

I remember seeing a cartoon in SI in the 80's with the caption that read "imported oil strengthens our ties with the middle east) .... How true .... (rocks in chair again patting shot gun in lap)
 
2012-02-23 03:20:55 PM  
I mean 1.26
 
2012-02-23 03:24:37 PM  
That's what happens when you have two oilmen in the White House....Wait, I can't use that troll anymore darn it.
 
2012-02-23 03:25:34 PM  

rorypk: Remember when they used to give us bullshiat explanations for the increase in price? Now it's just, fark you, pay me. At least tell me it's in preparation for the easter blend of gasoline, or gay marriage or something causing it.


Bloombergs energy page does. It's almost comical if it didn't piss you off so bad. It's as if they have a random sentence generator spitting out a new reason oil prices are rising several times a day.
 
2012-02-23 03:27:44 PM  

lordargent: [i1163.photobucket.com image 640x428]
Not biking 14 miles one way (the only direct route is via the freeway, by bike it would be longer than 14 miles).

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Damn sure not walking 14 miles to work.

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2.5 hours to get to work (convoluted bus routes, bad timetables, and the monthly pass that includes express routes is $100)

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2 hours to get to work (The coaster is fast, but I have to drive 6 miles west to get to it, whereas, I work 14 miles to the north. Taking the bus (which we already established sucks), would make this a 2.5 hour commute as well, also, that $100 bus pass doesn't include coaster access (you need to pay ~$1 extra per day, each way))

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There are no no Carpool lanes on my route (my onramp is unmetered).

[farm7.static.flickr.com image 500x333]

/10 minutes to get to work with no traffic (asscrack of dawn or the dead of night).
/20-30 minutes to get to work normally (by 9:30 am)
/1 hour to get to work (by 8:00 am)
/Daily gas cost for round trip, ~$6 (which is earned within the first few minutes of me being at work)
/not my car, but the same make/model/year



//public transportation here sucks, welcome to California.


You said coaster.....san diego?
 
2012-02-23 03:28:19 PM  

GORDON: thomps: if obama hadn't stopped the oil industry from instantly building and bringing online the keystone pipeline, we wouldn't be facing record gas prices. it's also not helping that he refuses to blow up any more oil-exporting countries.

10 years ago they wouldn't let the Alaskan oil preserve be drilled...for... oil.... one of the big arguments was that "It won't even be producing oil for 10 years."

10 years ago.


Yeah, so I guess you live in Europe or somewhere other than the US since none of that oil was slated to be sold in the US. Funny question to ask domestic oil pipeline promoters: What percent of the oil will be refined and be sold at US gas stations? Every single instance I've heard this question asked it's never been answered, only, later emails and leaked memos have shown they planned to sell it all foreign. Look at PA where they're giving natural gas fields away for free, allowing the companies to pay 0 taxes, and none of it will remain in the US even though their, and the PA GOPers big promise was that it would lower the citizens' price for natural gas. Liars, they'll rape the land, sell it overseas to make $.00001 more per barrel, then leave the US taxpayer with the bill to clean up their mess.
 
2012-02-23 03:34:19 PM  

MrSteve007: Question one: Do you have your own house?
Question two: Do you have more than one car in your household?
Question three: How much a month do you spend on your car payment + gasoline?

If your answers are yes, yes and over $400 - then you're dumb not to buy one of these:
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Yes
Yes
$0.00
 
2012-02-23 03:37:28 PM  

Jake Havechek: Meanwhile some triple chinned oil company CEO is getting a $1 million bonus this year today.


FTFY
 
2012-02-23 03:48:35 PM  

flattrack250r: yeah riding a bicycle is a viable option when you have two kids to haul around and no bike lanes anywhere...right...
Also unless you live in a large town you cannot get to a bus station, nor do the city buses go the proper routes that I would need to travel so that is not a possibility either. Yeah right everyone says move...but the world's entire population can't live in the cities.


This.

/Not to mention the fact that most people seem to ignore - as fuel costs go up, so do public transportation ticket costs. Buses and trains don't run on water.
 
2012-02-23 03:48:52 PM  
Ron Paul said last night in the GOP debate that gas was $6/gal in Florida. Other Farkers who responded thought the only place was a gas station for rental cars not far from the Orlando airport. Will this be the top story tonight in Orlando?
 
2012-02-23 03:50:24 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: It's illegal for me to work from home. The entire firm is obligated to do our work under the direct supervision of the licensed architect that will be signing the drawings.


I don't think direct supervision of the licensed architect means what you think it means... does your licensed architect ever go to a meeting or take a vacation w/o the office shutting down?
 
2012-02-23 04:19:59 PM  
The direct supervision as explained to me in 3 several offices consists of doing the work where they have the opportunity to have direct supervision. Not that they are required to see it but they shall have the ability to do so.

It's a subject that comes up at least once every couple of years. As for the principals taking a vacation, you've shiatting me right? Obsessed, egomaniac architects take a break from the very reason they exist? Technically they're both semi-retired. All that means is they're only in the office 12-14 hours a day.
 
2012-02-23 04:26:10 PM  
Backwards Cornfield Races: You said coaster.....san diego?

Yep, that's what it says in my profile :P
 
2012-02-23 04:28:04 PM  
Backwards Cornfield Races: You said coaster.....san diego?

And as far as public transportation goes in this city, have I got stories to tell.

/never looked back after getting a car, basically a necessity out here.
 
2012-02-23 04:47:12 PM  
that gas station in la that the news stations keep showing is 50 cents more than the average price of gas in la, and is about $1 more than the cheapest gas in la. they just keep showing that one station for dramatic effect.
 
2012-02-23 04:49:39 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: The direct supervision as explained to me in 3 several offices consists of doing the work where they have the opportunity to have direct supervision. Not that they are required to see it but they shall have the ability to do so.

It's a subject that comes up at least once every couple of years. As for the principals taking a vacation, you've shiatting me right? Obsessed, egomaniac architects take a break from the very reason they exist? Technically they're both semi-retired. All that means is they're only in the office 12-14 hours a day.


We've always taken the direct supervision line as meaning if you are in daily contact with the person (via phone, webcam and/or remote desktop) and are up-to-date with the documents they're producing, that you're golden. This is the 21st century yah know. Over the years, we've have a number of intern architects working in Alaska, Montana and Oregon this way. Hell, even if they were in the main office, on any given day, most of our certified architects are on the road doing ADA compliance reports, site visits or meeting with clients.
 
2012-02-23 06:18:39 PM  
On the subject:

Arithmetic, Population & Energy

You can find it on YouTube or the bay, it's a lecture given by Prof. Albert Bartlett.

It breaks down the very basic concept of exponential growth against finite resources, and goes on to explore some unpleasant facts and their equally unpleasant solutions.

I found it thought-provoking, alarming, and a bit depressing, though ultimately less so than the prospect of us marching cheerfully and obliviously into the abyss.
 
2012-02-23 06:45:10 PM  

lordargent: Backwards Cornfield Races: You said coaster.....san diego?

And as far as public transportation goes in this city, have I got stories to tell.

/never looked back after getting a car, basically a necessity out here.


Yeah, I probably should have checked that first.

I live up in north county and love to go out in PB and downtown so its a huge hassle for me. If they had a late train I might consider doing the coaster-trolley deal
 
2012-02-23 07:39:31 PM  
I really miss the good old days (2008) when gas being over $4 was no big deal.
 
2012-02-24 02:10:05 AM  

StopLurkListen: Plenty of ways to do something about this. Though, the United States is now a net exporter of gasoline, and world consumption has risen, so changing our behavior won't have as much effect as it might have in the past, but at least you can do things to reduce your direct personal exposure to gas prices.

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I live 20 miles from job. Won't/can't change job because no one near me is hiring.
I can't afford to give up my seniority AND lose about $5 an hour.
I work Night shift. No one else I work with lives near me to pool with.
Buses stop running at 10 pm.
It would take me 3 buses and four hours to get to work.
I can't ride a motorcycle 20 miles in the dark.
 
2012-02-24 03:40:48 AM  
farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2012-02-24 11:22:37 AM  

alfuso: I can't ride a motorcycle 20 miles in the dark.


That sure is a whole lot of "I cant..."

Motorcycles have headlights, you know.
 
2012-02-24 07:40:16 PM  

myrrh: alfuso: I can't ride a motorcycle 20 miles in the dark.

That sure is a whole lot of "I cant..."

Motorcycles have headlights, you know.


I am 65 years old. I won't ride a motorcycle in the dark. Or day. I consider that suicidal.
 
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