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2012-02-22 10:02:38 PM
>The school was locked down before students were allowed to leave. The district said grief counselors would be on hand for students, staff and parents.

That's pessimistic of them.
 
2012-02-23 01:11:37 AM

namegoeshere: >The school was locked down before students were allowed to leave. The district said grief counselors would be on hand for students, staff and parents.

That's pessimistic of them.


even if the victim lives many people will still need those counselors.


that being said - someone's parents need to be in DEEP farkIN shiat

PROPERLY STORE YOUR FIREARMS, ASSHATS!
 
2012-02-23 02:54:08 AM
i.ehow.com
 
2012-02-23 04:22:28 AM
:( So incredibly sad.
 
2012-02-23 05:43:22 AM

Kazan: namegoeshere: >The school was locked down before students were allowed to leave. The district said grief counselors would be on hand for students, staff and parents.

That's pessimistic of them.

even if the victim lives many people will still need those counselors.


that being said - someone's parents need to be in DEEP farkIN shiat

PROPERLY STORE YOUR FIREARMS, ASSHATS!


Yep.
 
2012-02-23 06:09:02 AM
"Third grader shoots classmate in Washington state"


that must have hurt like hell

/once got shot in my idaho
 
2012-02-23 06:14:25 AM

Kazan: namegoeshere: >The school was locked down before students were allowed to leave. The district said grief counselors would be on hand for students, staff and parents.

That's pessimistic of them.

even if the victim lives many people will still need those counselors.


Meh, more coddling they don't need.
 
2012-02-23 06:15:04 AM

Kazan: namegoeshere: >The school was locked down before students were allowed to leave. The district said grief counselors would be on hand for students, staff and parents.

That's pessimistic of them.

even if the victim lives many people will still need those counselors.


that being said - someone's parents need to be in DEEP farkIN shiat

PROPERLY STORE RAISE YOUR FIREARMS KIDS, ASSHATS!

 
2012-02-23 06:16:26 AM
Thank you, granddad.
 
2012-02-23 06:20:27 AM

Kazan: that being said - someone's parents need to be in DEEP farkIN shiat
PROPERLY STORE YOUR FIREARMS, ASSHATS!



More to the point, the parents should be in deep shiat for raising a child who would do such a thing. Improper firearms storage (if at all true, since it is pure speculation) sounds like just the merest tip of the iceberg of what all went wrong in this family.
 
2012-02-23 06:20:36 AM
Charge the parents. There is no excuse for allowing a nine year old unsupervised access to a firearm. They are dangerous weapons, and even if you have taught your child how to safely use one, it should still always be locked away. Especially with a young child in the house.

That poor little girl. Getting into schoolyard fights is one thing, and maybe even bloodying a nose or two, but no one should be afraid of getting shot at school.
 
2012-02-23 06:20:47 AM
im sure this thread will develop into a rational well behaved discourse about the merits of the 2nd amendment to the constitution, and its risks and responsibilities.
 
2012-02-23 06:23:12 AM
Yes, treat everything as an isolated incident and not a statistical certainty and learn nothing.
 
2012-02-23 06:25:00 AM
Actually submittard, the kid who had the gun had nothing to do with it (well...other than actually having brought the gun to school). IT WENT OFF IN HIS farkING BACKPACK!!

So guns do shoot people.

/this kids parents should be in deep shiat
 
2012-02-23 06:25:09 AM
Are you a better shot than a 3rd grader?

/newest reality show
 
2012-02-23 06:38:53 AM
If all kids were required to have firearms in school and firearm safety classes starting in first grade, these tragedies could be avoided.
 
2012-02-23 06:41:02 AM

Kazan: namegoeshere: >The school was locked down before students were allowed to leave. The district said grief counselors would be on hand for students, staff and parents.

That's pessimistic of them.

even if the victim lives many people will still need those counselors.


that being said - someone's parents need to be in DEEP farkIN shiat

PROPERLY STORE YOUR FIREARMS, ASSHATS!


Here in Virginia, we are about to become a state that allows people to buy guns out the wazoo, and there have been proposals to eliminate background checks and/or waiting periods for handguns. Remember the adage "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"? That is going to be replaced by "If you make guns available for everyone, there's a whole lot of damned fools out there who will be armed to the teeth." There should be a happy medium between the two extremes.
 
2012-02-23 06:46:51 AM

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Charge the parents. There is no excuse for allowing a nine year old unsupervised access to a firearm. They are dangerous weapons, and even if you have taught your child how to safely use one, it should still always be locked away. Especially with a young child in the house.


As someone who was shooting a .22 at that age.. Hell yeah. Definitely agree. I could shoot my .22 anytime I wanted, but I had no idea where it was and I had to ask my dad first so he could go out with me.

It's likely not a kid who knew gun safety and was being taught by the parents. It's probably some tyke who knew about daddy's secret under-the-bed-gun-for-emergencies that really wasn't quite so secret after all.
 
2012-02-23 06:50:43 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Kazan: namegoeshere: >The school was locked down before students were allowed to leave. The district said grief counselors would be on hand for students, staff and parents.

That's pessimistic of them.

even if the victim lives many people will still need those counselors.


that being said - someone's parents need to be in DEEP farkIN shiat

PROPERLY STORE YOUR FIREARMS, ASSHATS!

Here in Virginia, we are about to become a state that allows people to buy guns out the wazoo, and there have been proposals to eliminate background checks and/or waiting periods for handguns. Remember the adage "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"? That is going to be replaced by "If you make guns available for everyone, there's a whole lot of damned fools out there who will be armed to the teeth." There should be a happy medium between the two extremes.


The happy medium was well and good until the anti-gun extremists started taking pot shots at the second amendment which, naturally, caused responsible gun toting American's to put on their pro-gun extremist body armor and fire back. Damn extremists.
 
2012-02-23 06:55:53 AM
I'm guessing one of those dangerous gun toting, bible thumping, redneck, deep southern places that farkers are always screaming about. Off to read another one of these articles.....
 
2012-02-23 07:01:33 AM
Southern gun culture...! Oh wait, didn't happen in the south?

I'm sure I can come up with a stereotype to label everyone in the north western US with and I'm totally sure nobody would have a problem with that based on their willingness to assign stereotypes to other regions of the country.
 
2012-02-23 07:06:53 AM
Here's a perfect chance to use this to teach the rest of the class.

Q: If there are 29 people in our class, and little Timmy shoots Jenny, how many 3rd graders are left?
A: 27. Jenny's in the hospital and Timmy's in jail

Q: If Timmy's hand gun holds 9 bullets, how many times will he need to reload to shoot everyone in his class?
A: 16. (He's not a very good shot)

Q: If Timmy shoots one classmate every 3 grades, how many will he have shot by the time he graduates high school?
A: Timmy's a thug and won't graduate from high school.
 
2012-02-23 07:21:05 AM
The school was locked down before students were allowed to leave

Uhhhm, you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-02-23 07:26:06 AM

Kazan: namegoeshere: >The school was locked down before students were allowed to leave. The district said grief counselors would be on hand for students, staff and parents.

That's pessimistic of them.

even if the victim lives many people will still need those counselors.


that being said - someone's parents need to be in DEEP farkIN shiat

PROPERLY STORE YOUR FIREARMS, ASSHATS!


Dollars to donuts the asshats in question aren't legally allowed to own a gun in the first place.
 
2012-02-23 07:31:41 AM
This is just another liberal scare article. The solution is to let ALL students, K through 12, be armed while on campus. You wouldn't want your child to be defenseless in a worse situation than this. Let's not forget about THEIR constitutional rights.
 
2012-02-23 07:33:57 AM
Apparently it was accidental:

SEATTLE - Police say a gun brought to a Washington state elementary school in a third grader's backpack discharged, apparently by accident, critically wounding an 8-year-old classmate.

Investigators were trying to determine how the 9-year-old boy got the gun and why he brought it to school, a Bremerton, Wash., police spokesman said.

"At this stage of the investigation, detectives believe the shooting was accidental," Lt. Peter Fisher said in a statement late Wednesday.

At the end of Wednesday's school day, a bullet went through the backpack and hit the little girl, Fisher said.
 
2012-02-23 07:39:05 AM

dittybopper: Kazan: namegoeshere: >The school was locked down before students were allowed to leave. The district said grief counselors would be on hand for students, staff and parents.

That's pessimistic of them.

even if the victim lives many people will still need those counselors.


that being said - someone's parents need to be in DEEP farkIN shiat

PROPERLY STORE YOUR FIREARMS, ASSHATS!

Dollars to donuts the asshats in question aren't legally allowed to own a gun in the first place.


These incidents are pretty recent:
Registered gun owner accident.
Registered gun owner accident.

Guns don't kill people. Doctors, condoms, and little white pills kill people.
 
2012-02-23 07:46:23 AM

missiv: dittybopper: Kazan: namegoeshere: >The school was locked down before students were allowed to leave. The district said grief counselors would be on hand for students, staff and parents.

That's pessimistic of them.

even if the victim lives many people will still need those counselors.


that being said - someone's parents need to be in DEEP farkIN shiat

PROPERLY STORE YOUR FIREARMS, ASSHATS!

Dollars to donuts the asshats in question aren't legally allowed to own a gun in the first place.

These incidents are pretty recent:
Registered gun owner accident.
Registered gun owner accident.

Guns don't kill people. Doctors, condoms, and little white pills kill people.


Accidental gun deaths are very rare events. In 2007, there were 613 accidental gun deaths of a total population of around 302 million. That means the odds of any one person dying in an accidental gun death was approximately 1 in half a million. If you limit it to just kids 12 and under, it literally *IS* a one in a million event: There were 51 deaths out of a population of 53 million. (Source: CDC WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports)
 
2012-02-23 07:48:24 AM

TheMega: Uhhhm, you're doing it wrong.


That was the case when I was in grade school, 10+ years ago. Emergency procedures called for teachers to lock the doors, shut the blinds, and have everyone stand away from the windows until police got there.
 
2012-02-23 07:49:52 AM

doglover:


That's unpossible!
 
2012-02-23 08:11:18 AM
I own my fair share of weaponry...And even I think the parents need to be hung from the rafters for this one.

Guns are deadly weapons. They're not cookies, bags of candy, your favorite snack, plush toy or farking video game. Simply put, a 9 year-old SHOULD NOT have access to firearms or weapons that would enable them to put it in the backpack and take it to SCHOOL.
 
2012-02-23 08:22:15 AM
I wanted to post a picture of a kid in Iraq who had half his head blown off but a rifle round, but I'd probably be censored here by the prudes.
 
2012-02-23 08:23:02 AM
I went to an inner city school for 3rd grade. That's where I had my first real fight where blood was drawn and the first time someone pulled a knife on me.

I'm sure some kids were packing, but I don't remember seeing a gun.
 
2012-02-23 08:23:55 AM
Guns don't shoot people, backpacks do, in the Washington state.

Poor little thing.
 
2012-02-23 08:24:28 AM

TheEdibleSnuggie: I own my fair share of weaponry...And even I think the parents need to be hung from the rafters for this one.

Guns are deadly weapons. They're not cookies, bags of candy, your favorite snack, plush toy or farking video game. Simply put, a 9 year-old SHOULD NOT have access to firearms or weapons that would enable them to put it in the backpack and take it to SCHOOL.


Assuming, of course, that the parents are at fault, which may well not be the case. I can think of other incidents where it wasn't the parent, but a relative temporarily staying with them that was at fault, or where the kid found a gun that had been dropped/stashed/cached/whatever by criminals.

/Son just got his first gun at age 8.
//It stays in the gun safe when not in use.
 
2012-02-23 08:25:00 AM

Dadoody: I wanted to post a picture of a kid in Iraq who had half his head blown off but a rifle round, but I'd probably be censored here by the prudes.


Yes, and with good reason.
 
2012-02-23 08:39:55 AM
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As long as SWAT doesn't gun the kid down in his house, a lot problems will be avoided later.
 
2012-02-23 08:48:33 AM
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2012-02-23 08:49:21 AM

dittybopper: TheEdibleSnuggie: I own my fair share of weaponry...And even I think the parents need to be hung from the rafters for this one.

Guns are deadly weapons. They're not cookies, bags of candy, your favorite snack, plush toy or farking video game. Simply put, a 9 year-old SHOULD NOT have access to firearms or weapons that would enable them to put it in the backpack and take it to SCHOOL.

Assuming, of course, that the parents are at fault, which may well not be the case. I can think of other incidents where it wasn't the parent, but a relative temporarily staying with them that was at fault, or where the kid found a gun that had been dropped/stashed/cached/whatever by criminals.

/Son just got his first gun at age 8.
//It stays in the gun safe when not in use.


CSB:
When I was a kid there was one found at a bus stop by a kid. Apparently the night before the cops had been chasing some guy and they didn't know he had a gun and didn't see him ditch it. Luckily no one touched it and the cops were able to fingerprint it and prove it was his.


Far more likely this one came from home, but stranger things have happened.

And I'm really questioning the "it went off by itself" part of the story. Unless it was some real POS or a high end competition target pistol with a hair trigger I really doubt it would just go off in a backpack. It's more likely he was handling it in the backpack to keep it concealed and unintentionally discharged it himself.
 
2012-02-23 08:51:03 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Here in Virginia, we are about to become a state that allows people to buy guns out the wazoo, and there have been proposals to eliminate background checks and/or waiting periods for handguns. Remember the adage "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"? That is going to be replaced by "If you make guns available for everyone, there's a whole lot of damned fools out there who will be armed to the teeth." There should be a happy medium between the two extremes.


Jesus Farking Christ. Another idiot who doesn't understand what is going on.
All the change does is to remove the "1 handgun per 30 days" law. Other than waiting on a background check, there has never been a waiting period in VA (as far as I can remember), and the background check is a federal law, and that's not going anywhere.So nothing has been 'eliminated'. But back to 'being able to buy guns out the wazoo'...There was only ever a limitation on buying handguns. You could buy as many rifles and shotguns as you wanted. And if you had a carry permit or bought from a private dealer, you could buy all the pistols you wanted. Now since a person can't use more than 2 guns at a time (unless they are Goro) what does it matter how many they buy? The only people affected by the '1 handgun per 30 days' law were pretty much collectors and sports shooters.

Just because people can buy more than 1 pistol a month, doesn't mean VA is gonna turn in to freaking Somalia. You still have to pass the background check. The only difference is that a guy can now pick up a nice Kimber 1911 for himself and maybe a Lady Smith and Wesson for his wife to have some protection around the house while he is away for a week banging his mistress on a business trip.
 
2012-02-23 08:53:09 AM

dittybopper: missiv: dittybopper: Kazan: namegoeshere: >The school was locked down before students were allowed to leave. The district said grief counselors would be on hand for students, staff and parents.

That's pessimistic of them.

even if the victim lives many people will still need those counselors.


that being said - someone's parents need to be in DEEP farkIN shiat

PROPERLY STORE YOUR FIREARMS, ASSHATS!

Dollars to donuts the asshats in question aren't legally allowed to own a gun in the first place.

These incidents are pretty recent:
Registered gun owner accident.
Registered gun owner accident.

Guns don't kill people. Doctors, condoms, and little white pills kill people.

Accidental gun deaths are very rare events. In 2007, there were 613 accidental gun deaths of a total population of around 302 million. That means the odds of any one person dying in an accidental gun death was approximately 1 in half a million. If you limit it to just kids 12 and under, it literally *IS* a one in a million event: There were 51 deaths out of a population of 53 million. (Source: CDC WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports)


Most aren't accidental. Most are due to negligence on the part of the shooter or owner either through mishandling the gun or poor/no maintenance. Leaving weapons out and readily accessible to small children is also negligence. It is fine to keep a pistol loaded for home defense, but put the goddamn thing in one of those quick-access biometric safes so your third-grader doesn't play with it.
 
2012-02-23 08:59:00 AM

MythDragon: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Here in Virginia, we are about to become a state that allows people to buy guns out the wazoo, and there have been proposals to eliminate background checks and/or waiting periods for handguns. Remember the adage "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"? That is going to be replaced by "If you make guns available for everyone, there's a whole lot of damned fools out there who will be armed to the teeth." There should be a happy medium between the two extremes.

Jesus Farking Christ. Another idiot who doesn't understand what is going on.
All the change does is to remove the "1 handgun per 30 days" law. Other than waiting on a background check, there has never been a waiting period in VA (as far as I can remember), and the background check is a federal law, and that's not going anywhere.So nothing has been 'eliminated'. But back to 'being able to buy guns out the wazoo'...There was only ever a limitation on buying handguns. You could buy as many rifles and shotguns as you wanted. And if you had a carry permit or bought from a private dealer, you could buy all the pistols you wanted. Now since a person can't use more than 2 guns at a time (unless they are Goro) what does it matter how many they buy? The only people affected by the '1 handgun per 30 days' law were pretty much collectors and sports shooters.

Just because people can buy more than 1 pistol a month, doesn't mean VA is gonna turn in to freaking Somalia. You still have to pass the background check. The only difference is that a guy can now pick up a nice Kimber 1911 for himself and maybe a Lady Smith and Wesson for his wife to have some protection around the house while he is away for a week banging his mistress on a business trip.


Gun laws are wack, yo. I never understood the arguments for limitations on monthly purchases. The crazy and unstable dude that thinks his wife is banging the neighbor so he buys a 9mm to blast them both with is still only buying that single pistol. Criminals buy guns out of trunks. Collectors may desire to buy several at a time and they're not likely to go on some shooting rampage as their shiat is probably too valuable or ammo's too expensive to shoot.
 
2012-02-23 09:00:47 AM

MythDragon: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Here in Virginia, we are about to become a state that allows people to buy guns out the wazoo, and there have been proposals to eliminate background checks and/or waiting periods for handguns. Remember the adage "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"? That is going to be replaced by "If you make guns available for everyone, there's a whole lot of damned fools out there who will be armed to the teeth." There should be a happy medium between the two extremes.

Jesus Farking Christ. Another idiot who doesn't understand what is going on.
All the change does is to remove the "1 handgun per 30 days" law. Other than waiting on a background check, there has never been a waiting period in VA (as far as I can remember), and the background check is a federal law, and that's not going anywhere.So nothing has been 'eliminated'. But back to 'being able to buy guns out the wazoo'...There was only ever a limitation on buying handguns. You could buy as many rifles and shotguns as you wanted. And if you had a carry permit or bought from a private dealer, you could buy all the pistols you wanted. Now since a person can't use more than 2 guns at a time (unless they are Goro) what does it matter how many they buy? The only people affected by the '1 handgun per 30 days' law were pretty much collectors and sports shooters.

Just because people can buy more than 1 pistol a month, doesn't mean VA is gonna turn in to freaking Somalia. You still have to pass the background check. The only difference is that a guy can now pick up a nice Kimber 1911 for himself and maybe a Lady Smith and Wesson for his wife to have some protection around the house while he is away for a week banging his mistress on a business trip.


Not only that, but if you buy more than one handgun at a time, federal law requires that the dealer submit a 'multiple handgun purchase report' to the ATF. So it's not like there isn't going to be some visibility to authorities (and that has to be filled out if you buy them within 5 business days of each other, so it's not like you can buy one a day to get around that).
 
2012-02-23 09:04:16 AM

MythDragon: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Here in Virginia, we are about to become a state that allows people to buy guns out the wazoo, and there have been proposals to eliminate background checks and/or waiting periods for handguns. Remember the adage "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"? That is going to be replaced by "If you make guns available for everyone, there's a whole lot of damned fools out there who will be armed to the teeth." There should be a happy medium between the two extremes.

Jesus Farking Christ. Another idiot who doesn't understand what is going on.
All the change does is to remove the "1 handgun per 30 days" law. Other than waiting on a background check, there has never been a waiting period in VA (as far as I can remember), and the background check is a federal law, and that's not going anywhere.So nothing has been 'eliminated'. But back to 'being able to buy guns out the wazoo'...There was only ever a limitation on buying handguns. You could buy as many rifles and shotguns as you wanted. And if you had a carry permit or bought from a private dealer, you could buy all the pistols you wanted. Now since a person can't use more than 2 guns at a time (unless they are Goro) what does it matter how many they buy? The only people affected by the '1 handgun per 30 days' law were pretty much collectors and sports shooters.

Just because people can buy more than 1 pistol a month, doesn't mean VA is gonna turn in to freaking Somalia. You still have to pass the background check. The only difference is that a guy can now pick up a nice Kimber 1911 for himself and maybe a Lady Smith and Wesson for his wife to have some protection around the house while he is away for a week banging his mistress on a business trip.


Anti-gun people always scream about flowing blood in the streets whenever there is any restoration of any kind of gun right. They are always wrong but scaremongering is all they have so they keep using it.
 
2012-02-23 09:04:41 AM

Callous: It's more likely he was handling it in the backpack to keep it concealed and unintentionally discharged it himself.


That's quite an assertion to make. Do you remember what your backpack was like in grade school? I do. It was an overflowing pile of crap. There's no mention of what kind of gun it was, but I don't find it a stretch to imagine a pencil getting into the trigger guard of a double-action revolver and setting it off.
 
2012-02-23 09:12:24 AM

dr_blasto: Most aren't accidental. Most are due to negligence on the part of the shooter or owner either through mishandling the gun or poor/no maintenance. Leaving weapons out and readily accessible to small children is also negligence. It is fine to keep a pistol loaded for home defense, but put the goddamn thing in one of those quick-access biometric safes so your third-grader doesn't play with it.


Or better yet, keep it in a proper holster on your person.

Personally, if you are going to lock up a gun, I don't like the idea of a biometric safe. Seems to me it's something that can fail pretty easily, and at the worst possible time. A simple combination lock, or a keyed lock should be fine. We aren't talking about keeping them out of the hands of master criminals, after all. Once a kid is old enough to figure out how to break into the damn thing, they are old enough to be taught gun safety. And if your kid is the kind that can't be taught because they are an incorrigible juvenile delinquent, you probably shouldn't have a loaded gun in the house anyway, safe or no safe. Lock up the gun unloaded, and lock up the ammo separately.

/Don't trust your life to anything with a battery.
 
2012-02-23 09:15:43 AM

TripcodeMel: Callous: It's more likely he was handling it in the backpack to keep it concealed and unintentionally discharged it himself.

That's quite an assertion to make. Do you remember what your backpack was like in grade school? I do. It was an overflowing pile of crap. There's no mention of what kind of gun it was, but I don't find it a stretch to imagine a pencil getting into the trigger guard of a double-action revolver and setting it off.


No it's not. It's possible something in the bag caused it to discharge, but it's far more likely he was handling it.
 
2012-02-23 09:24:57 AM

Callous: TripcodeMel: Callous: It's more likely he was handling it in the backpack to keep it concealed and unintentionally discharged it himself.

That's quite an assertion to make. Do you remember what your backpack was like in grade school? I do. It was an overflowing pile of crap. There's no mention of what kind of gun it was, but I don't find it a stretch to imagine a pencil getting into the trigger guard of a double-action revolver and setting it off.

No it's not. It's possible something in the bag caused it to discharge, but it's far more likely he was handling it.


Unlikely. It was at the end of the school day, so it's more likely that he was shoving stuff in his backpack (books, homework assignments, maybe an art project, pens and pencils, etc.), and that somehow activated the trigger. Hell, something could have gotten in the triggerguard earlier in the day, and just the act of putting a book in the backpack would set the thing off, depending on how it was oriented and whether it was a striker-fired gun, or some sort of double action hammer-type gun.
 
2012-02-23 09:36:30 AM

MythDragon: . Now since a person can't use more than 2 guns at a time (unless they are Goro) what does it matter how many they buy? The only people affected by the '1 handgun per 30 days' law were pretty much collectors and sports shooters.


Most people can't even use 1 gun at a time properly, using 2 guns at the same and actually being able to hit something is a freaking pip dream without tons and tons of practice and that's just hitting a single target with 2 different weapons.
 
2012-02-23 09:36:43 AM

Kazan: namegoeshere: >The school was locked down before students were allowed to leave. The district said grief counselors would be on hand for students, staff and parents.

That's pessimistic of them.

even if the victim lives many people will still need those counselors.


that being said - someone's parents need to be in DEEP farkIN shiat

PROPERLY STORE YOUR FIREARMS, ASSHATS!


I know. It was the "grief" in grief counselors that I was going after. They could have just said "Counselors will be available," but the way it was said gave me an "I'm not dead yet" feel.
 
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