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(Fox News)   FBI forced to dump hundreds of pages of "training documents" on Islam after discovering that they were training gems like "Mohammed was a cult leader" and "devout Muslims have been violent for hundreds of years"   (foxnews.com) divider line 121
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2012-02-22 01:28:46 PM
These are incorrect how?
 
2012-02-22 01:32:30 PM
"Mohammed was a cult leader"

So's the Pope. What's your point?
 
2012-02-22 01:40:57 PM

MasterAdkins: These are incorrect how?


They ignore that the same is true of their own religion.
 
2012-02-22 01:43:53 PM
s/Mohammed/Jesus/g
s/Muslims/Christians/g

Huh. Still true.
 
2012-02-22 02:00:52 PM
You can train a gem?

MasterAdkins: These are incorrect how?


I say it would be wrong to say Mohammed was a cult leader and Jesus wasn't.
 
2012-02-22 02:41:07 PM
I'll just leave this here...
 
2012-02-22 03:22:21 PM

MasterAdkins: These are incorrect how?


Muslims don't live for hundreds of years. Duh.
 
2012-02-22 05:35:00 PM
Murdering Mo' had a 12 year old wife. He was a pedo. That's enough for me.
 
2012-02-22 05:36:11 PM
Can somebody share their popcorn? I'll bring the beer.
 
2012-02-22 05:36:43 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: MasterAdkins: These are incorrect how?

They ignore that the same is true of their own religion.


The FBI is a religion?
 
2012-02-22 05:37:39 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Murdering Mo' had a 12 year old wife. He was a pedo. That's enough for me.


and the "virgin mary" does not bother you, cuz she was how old ?
 
2012-02-22 05:39:22 PM
I'm ok with this
 
2012-02-22 05:40:04 PM

hackhix: I'll just leave this here...


Here's one more. It's better.... (new window)
 
2012-02-22 05:41:23 PM

Slartibartfaster: and the "virgin mary" does not bother you, cuz she was how old ?


I could have sworn the article was about islam...*checks article*...yep, islam. No discussion of Christianity, so why bring it up?

/I realize this an age old tactic anytime islamy-type things are brought up
//B..b.b.but christianity
 
2012-02-22 05:41:38 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Murdering Mo' had a 12 year old wife. He was a pedo. That's enough for me.


Enough for you to what?
Adopts similar habits?
Go bounding about the bogs with your buns painted blue?
Buy a duck?
You need to be more specific.
 
2012-02-22 05:42:11 PM

Slartibartfaster: Smeggy Smurf: Murdering Mo' had a 12 year old wife. He was a pedo. That's enough for me.

and the "virgin mary" does not bother you, cuz she was how old ?


You see, if you question the virgin birth or claim she was underage, Catholics aren't going to riot. But if you draw a picture of mohammed or burn a Koran, or correctly state negative facts about Muhammad, Muslims will riot and end up killing each other.

All religions may be silly, but they aren't equal in their silliness.
 
2012-02-22 05:43:03 PM

jso2897: Go bounding about the bogs with your buns painted blue?


Wow. That was...poetic.

/and now it is stolen
 
2012-02-22 05:44:42 PM
Any "religion" that lets its clerics issue death warrants on people, declares that leaving the religion is punishable by death is a Bronze-Age cult, incompatible with modern Western values, and should be considered, per se, inimical to a democracy.
And if you read any of the well-sourced books by Robert Spencer, you'll realize that Mohammed *was* a cult leader: a delusional, murderous warlord who made up his holy visions to suit his very base intentions.
 
2012-02-22 05:44:43 PM

hackhix: I'll just leave this here...


I thought I was done being surprised at how many random specific topics have Wikipedia pages...
 
2012-02-22 05:44:57 PM

MasterAdkins: These are incorrect how?


This.
 
2012-02-22 05:45:39 PM
A strategic plan on homegrown terror released in December did not use the term radical Islam once, though it did discuss Al Qaeda and those groups inspired by it. A Defense Department letter in October also classified the Fort Hood massacre as "workplace violence."

Well, we don't HAVE much radical Islam in the US, now do we? I can't think of a single example of someone who was a "homegrown" Muslim terrorist in this country. They all went over to the Middle East and got radicalized there. However, we have LOTS of our own violent nutjobs, like the "sovereign citizen" people.

As for workplace violence, maybe it wasn't the best choice of words, but that's what it amounted to.
 
2012-02-22 05:46:10 PM

jake3_14: Any "religion" that lets its clerics issue death warrants on people, declares that leaving the religion is punishable by death is a Bronze-Age cult, incompatible with modern Western values, and should be considered, per se, inimical to a democracy.
And if you read any of the well-sourced books by Robert Spencer, you'll realize that Mohammed *was* a cult leader: a delusional, murderous warlord who made up his holy visions to suit his very base intentions.


You left out pedophile. But yes you got the gist of it.
 
2012-02-22 05:46:54 PM

blackminded: hackhix: I'll just leave this here...

I thought I was done being surprised at how many random specific topics have Wikipedia pages...


Yeah but the guy's right, aint he?
 
2012-02-22 05:47:21 PM
You know considering Obama's overseas religious training, and the fact that he wasn't even born on this continent, you wouldn't expect him to authorize things like this, nor the burning of those holy books.
 
2012-02-22 05:48:05 PM
meanwhile, back at the airport
your six yr old terrorist is being patted down
your grandmother who is third gen american born, was married to a
veteran and is mother of two other veterans, is being patted down
just in case she's a terror-us
Jesus don't fly
Moohammet don't fly
they got that private charter money going on
 
2012-02-22 05:49:11 PM

GAT_00: I say it would be wrong to say Mohammed was a cult leader and Jesus wasn't.


We know Mohammed was an actual person, do we have any real proof for Jesus?
 
2012-02-22 05:49:47 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Slartibartfaster: Smeggy Smurf: Murdering Mo' had a 12 year old wife. He was a pedo. That's enough for me.

and the "virgin mary" does not bother you, cuz she was how old ?

You see, if you question the virgin birth or claim she was underage, Catholics aren't going to riot. But if you draw a picture of mohammed or burn a Koran, or correctly state negative facts about Muhammad, Muslims will riot and end up killing each other.

All religions may be silly, but they aren't equal in their silliness.


It's always been my observation that most of the "silliness" associated with religions seem to devolve more from the actions of some of their practitioners than from the religion itself. Every faith I know anything about offers a pretty broad smorgasbord of ideas to it's adherents, and there is justification to be found therein for being a very good person, a very bad one, or anything in between. People find what they seek in faith.
 
2012-02-22 05:51:55 PM

MasterAdkins: These are incorrect how?


This. This. This.

And don't try to spin it, I'm an Atheist, but modern Christianity is very different from Muslim faith.

So Christianity was bad 500 years ago? Now tell me why should we allow Muslims to do the same shiat in farking XXI century.

All in all, religion as a whole should disappear, but trying to justify the Muslim shiat attacking Christianity from centuries ago is idiotic.
 
2012-02-22 05:51:55 PM

jake3_14: And if you read any of the well-sourced books by Robert Spencer a Western Christian with prejudiced interests, you'll realize that Mohammed *was* a cult leader: a delusional, murderous warlord who made up his holy visions to suit his very base intentions.


Fixed that for you.
 
2012-02-22 05:52:24 PM
The Wired article detailed, among other materials, a presentation that included a graph that tracked followers of the Bible, Torah and Koran over hundreds of years. It showed "devout" followers of the Torah and the Bible becoming less violent over time, while "devout" followers of the Koran remaining as violent in 2010 as they were hundreds of years ago.

Our taxes are paying for this?!
 
2012-02-22 05:56:07 PM
You guys want to bring up stuff about Islam that happened a thousand years ago, but get butthurt when people do the same about Christianity. The fact is there are lots of modernized, secular Muslims. But these are disregarded in the face of a vocal violent minority. There are over a billion Muslims in the world. All the crap you hear about almost always comes from or is inspired by Arabs. This is not just a problem of religion and the majority of those that believe so are dishonest and/or intellectually lazy.
 
2012-02-22 05:57:07 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Slartibartfaster: Smeggy Smurf: Murdering Mo' had a 12 year old wife. He was a pedo. That's enough for me.

and the "virgin mary" does not bother you, cuz she was how old ?

You see, if you question the virgin birth or claim she was underage, Catholics aren't going to riot. But if you draw a picture of mohammed or burn a Koran, or correctly state negative facts about Muhammad, Muslims will riot and end up killing each other.

All religions may be silly, but they aren't equal in their silliness.


Salute.
 
2012-02-22 05:57:28 PM

JamUhn: jake3_14: And if you read any of the well-sourced books by Robert Spencer a Western Christian with prejudiced interests The KORAN, you'll realize that Mohammed *was* a cult leader: a delusional, murderous warlord who made up his holy visions to suit his very base intentions.

Fixed that for you.


Fixed that for all of you.
 
2012-02-22 05:59:30 PM

jake3_14: Any "religion" that lets its clerics issue death warrants on people, declares that leaving the religion is punishable by death is a Bronze-Age cult, incompatible with modern Western values, and should be considered, per se, inimical to a democracy.
And if you read any of the well-sourced books by Robert Spencer, you'll realize that Mohammed *was* a cult leader: a delusional, murderous warlord who made up his holy visions to suit his very base intentions.


Nobody controls Islam. There is no Pope. Are you ready to blame all Baptists for the Westboro jerkoffs? Or are you just a usual fark hypocrite?
 
2012-02-22 06:00:29 PM

Slartibartfaster: Smeggy Smurf: Murdering Mo' had a 12 year old wife. He was a pedo. That's enough for me.

and the "virgin mary" does not bother you, cuz she was how old ?


Sorry, but Mo married her when she was 6. He waited until she was 9 before he had sex with her, though.
 
2012-02-22 06:01:07 PM
Arguing the madness of religions is still arguing madness.

;)
 
2012-02-22 06:01:08 PM

ChuDogg: JamUhn: jake3_14: And if you read any of the well-sourced books by Robert Spencer a Western Christian with prejudiced interests The KORAN The BIBLE, you'll realize that Mohammed Moses *was* a cult leader: a delusional, murderous warlord who made up his holy visions to suit his very base intentions.

Fixed that for you.

Fixed that for all of you.


I can do this all day. The main problem aren't the tenets of the religion because other religions have similar ones. That's my point, I wonder if you even have one.
 
2012-02-22 06:01:50 PM
It ain't braggin if it's true.
 
2012-02-22 06:01:54 PM

Slartibartfaster: Smeggy Smurf: Murdering Mo' had a 12 year old wife. He was a pedo. That's enough for me.

and the "virgin mary" does not bother you, cuz she was how old ?


God knocked her up without giving her a penising. Hence virgin birth. Age has nothing to do with it.
 
2012-02-22 06:02:27 PM

JamUhn: The fact is there are lots of modernized, secular Muslims. But these are disregarded in the face of a vocal violent minority.


s3-ak.buzzfed.com
(clickable)
 
2012-02-22 06:05:00 PM
Seems that it has been a few years centuries since the "christians" warred among themselves.
Just a quiet time or are the Baptists going to rise up and declare war on Catholics?
OK, bad example, maybe.

Prolly more likely we have GOP/DFL faith based shooting war.
 
2012-02-22 06:05:12 PM

give me doughnuts: Slartibartfaster: Smeggy Smurf: Murdering Mo' had a 12 year old wife. He was a pedo. That's enough for me.

and the "virgin mary" does not bother you, cuz she was how old ?

Sorry, but Mo married her when she was 6. He waited until she was 9 before he had sex with her, though.


Numbers 31: 17-18
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

I'll just leave this here for you.
 
2012-02-22 06:05:39 PM

JamUhn: Moses *was* a cult leader: a delusional, murderous warlord who made up his holy visions to suit his very base intentions.


That doesn't compute. He wasn't even in the New Testament.

/militant atheist in Christ threads anyways.
//this is not a christ thread
///speaking of red herrings... What do you think the appropriate tip is? I leave no less than 25%
 
2012-02-22 06:06:02 PM

snocone: Seems that it has been a few years centuries since the "christians" warred among themselves.
Just a quiet time or are the Baptists going to rise up and declare war on Catholics?
OK, bad example, maybe.

Prolly more likely we have GOP/DFL faith based shooting war.


I guess Ireland doesn't exist in your world?
 
2012-02-22 06:06:23 PM

12349876: Nobody controls Islam. There is no Pope


What does the pope control?
 
2012-02-22 06:07:46 PM

jso2897:
It's always been my observation that most of the "silliness" associated with religions seem to devolve more from the actions of some of their practitioners than from the religion itself. Every faith I know anything about offers a pretty broad smorgasbord of ideas to it's adherents, and there is justification to be found therein for being a very good person, a very bad one, or anything in between. People find what they seek in faith.


And that exactly is the problem. They find justification to lay down the responsibility for their actions on some external entity. They find a way to circumvent their own conscience to do what they want to do all along. They gain the ability to act in 'silly' ways without having to question themselves. People who would otherwise be good and sane and honest and upright are enabled by religious believes to do 'silly' things.

Of course this sort of thing is not exclusive to religion, you find the same mechanism in other ideologies or systems of 'truths' where a set of ideas has become elevated to be unquestionable, so that doubt and critical analysis are no longer possible.

As long as the silliest thing they end up doing because the freedom from conscience and logic they find in their beliefs is wearing funny underwear that is not a problem, but some people find the freedom to follow much darker impulses and they usually find them in large enough groups that wash away any shred of human decency in peer pressure and group think. Even an otherwise good man might be swept up in such a mob to do bad things if he believes.
 
2012-02-22 06:07:50 PM

ChuDogg: JamUhn: The fact is there are lots of modernized, secular Muslims. But these are disregarded in the face of a vocal violent minority.

[s3-ak.buzzfed.com image 425x368]
(clickable)


Population of Egypt: 80 million
Population of Muslims Worldwide: 1.6 billion

Yea, let me guess, you're not a math major. Recreational studies?
 
2012-02-22 06:08:50 PM

magusdevil: give me doughnuts: Slartibartfaster: Smeggy Smurf: Murdering Mo' had a 12 year old wife. He was a pedo. That's enough for me.

and the "virgin mary" does not bother you, cuz she was how old ?

Sorry, but Mo married her when she was 6. He waited until she was 9 before he had sex with her, though.

Numbers 31: 17-18
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

I'll just leave this here for you.


Big farking deal. I'm not a Christian, and the article isn't talking about Christianity. But maybe you'll bring up some other irrelevant information next. How 'bout something about Buddhists next time.
 
2012-02-22 06:09:17 PM

8ace: 12349876: Nobody controls Islam. There is no Pope

What does the pope control?


A fantastic collection of red shoes.
 
2012-02-22 06:10:40 PM

ChuDogg: JamUhn: Moses *was* a cult leader: a delusional, murderous warlord who made up his holy visions to suit his very base intentions.

That doesn't compute. He wasn't even in the New Testament.

/militant atheist in Christ threads anyways.
//this is not a christ thread
///speaking of red herrings... What do you think the appropriate tip is? I leave no less than 25%


Last I checked the Bible is made up of the Old and New Testaments. And, it is relevant because many religions have violent beginnings, and to say that there are no socio-political factors involved and only the teachings of their religion is ignorant.
 
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