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(The Atlantic)   "When skeptics complain that global warming activists are apparently willing to go to any lengths--including lying--to advance their worldview, I'd say one of the movement's top priorities should be not proving them right"   ( divider line
    More: PSA, Heartland Institute, Peter Gleick, global warming, American Geophysical Union, scientific misconduct, Pacific Institute, activists, scorched earth  
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2012-02-22 08:31:28 PM  
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tenpoundsofcheese: LectertheChef: Can you imagine if the idiots back during Tesla's day had as much power as they do today?.

yeah, and what about those deniers who didn't believe the conventional wisdom of the medical community that leeches are a great way to cure diseases?

or those deniers who didn't believe the conventional wisdom of the scientists that the earth was flat? or that the earth was the center of the universe?

good times. good to see that the conventional wisdom was always correct.

Actually it wasn't scientists who believed the earth was flat, it was the church. Those who said otherwise could find themselves burned at the stake as a heretic. As for leeches, it has been proven that they do have certain valid medicinal uses. But you're grossly misstating what deniers are. They aren't the scientists, the explorers, the inventors. They're the asshole who still wears an onion on his belt because change is scary.
2012-02-22 07:48:21 PM  
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Gleick has no obligation or ethical responsibility to be honest to a professional disinformation shop.

Of course he does.

Since he admitted fraud, by your argument, no one has an ethical responsibility to be honest with him and not defraud him.

Besides, you can whine about ethics, but what he did is also illegal.
2012-02-22 07:17:42 PM  
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Thrag: dlp211: There is evidence that one of the memo's may possibly be a fraud

Is there? So far the only "evidence" I've seen put forth is that the file has metadata indicating it was created by a scanner and that the time zone info indicates pacific time. People are using this as if it proves that the document is a fake because Heartland is in the central time zone. This ignores the obvious possibility that the document in question was a physical document that was scanned in at a later date than its creation. To call this "evidence" of a forgery is stretching the meaning of the term evidence so far as to make it meaningless.

I'm not saying if it is real or if it is fake, just that the "evidence" presented so far is even less convincing than what people who believe Obama's birth certificate is a forgery have put forth.

Yes, because the Heartland Institute has a history of call themselves "anti-climate", a term that Gleick happens to use often. The connection to Gleick was made a few days before he admitted to sending the documents. HIs removal for the ethics board was made shortly after the connection was made on an earlier stories comment thread alleging Gleick was the true author of the memo.
2012-02-22 05:42:30 PM  
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" it claimed that the Koch foundation had given $200,000 in 2011, when the actual number was $25,000...and since that money was donated for Health Care News, Heartland's health care newsletter, it's hard to see why it would show up in the climate strategy document,"

No, it is easy to see why. Libtards hear "Koch and money" and the only way they can feel good about themselves is to make ridiculous claims about how that conservative group is spending money to destroy the environment by denying man made global warming.

Either that or the libtards think that Health Care News is trying to find cures to AGW hysteria.
2012-02-22 05:33:49 PM  
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Without grossly misleading charts this fark thread is worthless.

/leaving disappointed.
2012-02-22 05:27:45 PM  
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Global warming is as real as MFL.
2012-02-22 05:24:34 PM  
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The term is not skeptic, its denier. get it right
2012-02-22 04:59:18 PM  
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I blame the sensationalist media. The only way you can get through to people is to exaggerate, otherwise they'll be all, "Meh."
2012-02-22 02:34:48 PM  
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That was a snoozefest of an article, so it basically boils down to "when we do it, it's right; when you do it, it's wrong!"
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