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2012-02-22 03:53:02 PM
Brutal headline, subby, but accurate.
 
2012-02-22 03:55:21 PM
Oh my god lmao

This is why I come to Fark.
 
2012-02-22 03:56:05 PM
AHH HAHA. . aww now I'm sad.
 
2012-02-22 03:56:39 PM
Well that's not fair. The passengers got fed a line of bullshiat and many were below decks.
He totally had a head start.
 
2012-02-22 04:05:00 PM

ringersol: Well that's not fair. The passengers got fed a line of bullshiat and many were below decks.
He totally had a head start.


TFA says that the father went back to his cabin to get his "life saving" medication. Looks like that decision killed him and his daughter.

Also TFA says it's 8 people, not 4.

It must have been updated since the headline was submitted, because I've never seen an inaccurate headline on Fark before.
 
2012-02-22 04:08:57 PM
Between this incident and the story of the workers in WTC who were told to go back to their offices after the first plane hit, I have decided that if I am ever in an emergency situation, the last people I will listen to are the "authorities".

//especially if "they" work for a corporation
 
2012-02-22 04:10:27 PM
Going on a cruise next week so getting a kick out of..
 
2012-02-22 04:16:10 PM

libranoelrose: Also TFA says it's 8 people, not 4.

It must have been updated since the headline was submitted, because I've never seen an inaccurate headline on Fark before.


Could have been updated. This morning, an article from different site stated 4 people.

/not subby, zero greens
 
2012-02-22 04:24:13 PM

JustHereForThePics: Between this incident and the story of the workers in WTC who were told to go back to their offices after the first plane hit, I have decided that if I am ever in an emergency situation, the last people I will listen to are the "authorities".

//especially if "they" work for a corporation


Damn straight. A fire alarm went off at a convention I was attending many years back. Someone from the convention center came out. "It's fine, the fire has been extinguished. No need to worry." Really? Are you a fire marshall? No? Then what authority do you have to say the fire is out? Get the fark out of the way.
 
2012-02-22 04:24:17 PM

Odd Bird: libranoelrose: Also TFA says it's 8 people, not 4.

It must have been updated since the headline was submitted, because I've never seen an inaccurate headline on Fark before.

Could have been updated. This morning, an article from different site stated 4 people.

/not subby, zero greens


I can't find any notes that it was updated on the website, but I'll take your word.

Also, why the hell is that asshole who caused this on house arrest? He should, at the very least, be detained in a jail cell.
 
2012-02-22 04:25:27 PM

libranoelrose: Odd Bird: libranoelrose: Also TFA says it's 8 people, not 4.

It must have been updated since the headline was submitted, because I've never seen an inaccurate headline on Fark before.

Could have been updated. This morning, an article from different site stated 4 people.

/not subby, zero greens

I can't find any notes that it was updated on the website, but I'll take your word.

Also, why the hell is that asshole who caused this on house arrest? He should, at the very least, be detained in a jail cell.


In police custody grieving family members wouldn't be able to do much to him.

At home, well lots of things could happen.
 
2012-02-22 04:25:31 PM
By telling the passengers there was no problem and that they should stay below decks the captain cleverly assured that he would have an easy run to the life boat and would be guaranteed a spot.

He may be a shiatty captain, a major douche bag, a drunk, and a lousy human being, but it was a good plan.
 
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2012-02-22 04:26:20 PM
It was four earlier, but they found four more. Since they are finding so many, the must have gotten to the corridor between the Captains cabin and the life-boats. Probably trampling deaths.
 
2012-02-22 04:29:28 PM
I was on a cruise that hit a whale off the coast of Alaska. The whole boat shuttered and the cruise director came over the PA and said that we shouldn't worry, we hit a whale. Pretty much everyone was on deck looking for the whale. Nothing bad happen and the whale was fine. Saw him swimming off. Just hit one of the pods and turned it.
 
2012-02-22 04:34:39 PM
God I wish there was video of him 'claiming' to fall into his boat. Put the Benny Hill music behind it. GOLD!
 
2012-02-22 04:35:33 PM
 
2012-02-22 04:37:45 PM

LeroyBourne: God I wish there was video of him 'claiming' to fall into his boat. Put the Benny Hill music behind it. GOLD!


Have you heard the audio of his discussion with the Coast Guard commander?

It's pathetic. (new window)
 
2012-02-22 04:40:16 PM

libranoelrose:
TFA says that the father went back to his cabin to get his "life saving" medication. Looks like that decision killed him and his daughter.


that's the part that gets me. If it's that important, you should have it on you at all times. If you can leave it in the room without worrying about it, then guess what? You can leave it there when the boat is capsizing. Trust me, you'll have plenty of access to medical personnel in a few hours, and I'll bet that your medication will last till then (unless you're having a heart attack).
 
2012-02-22 04:43:34 PM
I sincerely hope that they throw the book at that POS captain.
 
2012-02-22 04:46:10 PM
I think it's the Discovery channel that already has several shows on the disaster. Each show follows the story of some of the survivors. They show exactly what happened and how the captain screwed up. There's also some passenger video .

The part where they play the audio of the captain talking with the coastguard is pretty damning evidence against the captain. The coastguard was yelling at him for leaving the boat and ordered him to get back on the boat and help evacuate passengers.

This captain needs to spend the rest of his life in prison.
 
2012-02-22 04:50:38 PM

libranoelrose: watson.t.hamster: At home, well lots of things could happen.

That's pretty unlikely seeing as how much of his home town views him as a hero.

With the embattled Costa Concordia captain ensconced in his third floor apartment, local residents of Meta di Sorrento took it upon themselves to mount a staunch defence of their friend and neighbour.

Giuseppe Tito, a politician from the local Mayor's office, said he had done his duty in helping others. "The captain is a hero," he said. "The media have got it all wrong. He saved 4,000 lives." (new window)


That's messed up.

What happened to the Romans?

/"fall on your sword to avoid disgrace" to lionizing cowardice.
 
2012-02-22 04:54:25 PM
+1 headline, subby
 
2012-02-22 04:55:26 PM
Where is an Operative when you actually need one?
 
2012-02-22 04:56:07 PM

Gilligann: I think it's the Discovery channel that already has several shows on the disaster. Each show follows the story of some of the survivors. They show exactly what happened and how the captain screwed up. There's also some passenger video .

The part where they play the audio of the captain talking with the coastguard is pretty damning evidence against the captain. The coastguard was yelling at him for leaving the boat and ordered him to get back on the boat and help evacuate passengers.

This captain needs to spend the rest of his life in prison.


That is some CLASSIC dialog too. I mean, tragic and all, but when the Coast Guard yells at him "What, it's dark so you want to go home?" I just couldn't stop laughing.



/"it's your job to tell ME how many bodies there are!" (or something like that)
 
2012-02-22 05:00:49 PM

spyderqueen: "What, it's dark so you want to go home?" I just couldn't stop laughing.


This had me laughing as well.

Then the interview with him at a hotel later that morning saying he thinks that everyone was evacuated.

It's a great documentary, I've watched it at least 3 times.
 
2012-02-22 05:02:42 PM

JustHereForThePics: Between this incident and the story of the workers in WTC who were told to go back to their offices after the first plane hit, I have decided that if I am ever in an emergency situation, the last people I will listen to are the "authorities".

//especially if "they" work for a corporation


Reminded me of the story of Rick Rescola, who was the head of security for Dean Witter at the World Trade Center. He talked by phone with someone after the first plane hit and was told that the building security was telling those in tower 2 to stay put. He told the person on the other line, before the second plane hit, essentially "screw that, I'm getting my people out."

He was credited with getting all but 13 of 2,700 people out. He died doing it.
 
2012-02-22 05:13:57 PM
Discovery and Nat Geo have already had shows about the actual incident. Clusterfark doesn't begin to cover it.
 
2012-02-22 05:16:25 PM

libranoelrose: spyderqueen: "What, it's dark so you want to go home?" I just couldn't stop laughing.

This had me laughing as well.

Then the interview with him at a hotel later that morning saying he thinks that everyone was evacuated.

It's a great documentary, I've watched it at least 3 times.


I've seen at least 2 different episodes in that series, not sure how many there are total. Each one was practically the same except interviewed different passengers. They each had that audio bit at the end.

It's scary to think how much worse it could have been. The wind pushed the ship back to shore where it rested on the ground. If the wind hadn't done that the ship would have sunk much quicker and a lot more people would have died. A lot of people jumped in the water and swam to shore, if the ship was much further out many of those people wouldn't have made it.

I remember right after it happened a lot of people suggested that the captain ran the ship aground in an effort to save people. Turns out the captain had no control after the incident and it was pretty lucky there was a strong wind that night.

I'm amazed how quickly they put those shows together.
 
2012-02-22 05:19:52 PM

JustHereForThePics: Between this incident and the story of the workers in WTC who were told to go back to their offices after the first plane hit, I have decided that if I am ever in an emergency situation, the last people I will listen to are the "authorities".

//especially if "they" work for a corporation


A student I had many years ago was high up in tower 2 making a business call. When crap went down, he waited for nothing, went right to the stairwell got down and out. He later recalled people trying to get information on their cell phones, when they already had what they needed: "GET OUT."
 
2012-02-22 05:25:44 PM

libranoelrose: Odd Bird: libranoelrose: Also TFA says it's 8 people, not 4.

It must have been updated since the headline was submitted, because I've never seen an inaccurate headline on Fark before.

Could have been updated. This morning, an article from different site stated 4 people.

/not subby, zero greens

I can't find any notes that it was updated on the website, but I'll take your word.

Also, why the hell is that asshole who caused this on house arrest? He should, at the very least, be detained in a jail cell.


Maybe because until there's an inquest into what happened he hasn't been indicted with anything... What's the fear ? He's at home, the police know where to find him and it's not like he's going to secretly jump on another cruise ship and run it aground....
 
2012-02-22 05:28:25 PM

capt.hollister: Maybe because until there's an inquest into what happened he hasn't been indicted with anything... What's the fear ? He's at home, the police know where to find him and it's not like he's going to secretly jump on another cruise ship and run it aground....


You ruined the set up.

Maybe because until there's an inquest into what happened he hasn't been indicted with anything... What's the fear ? He's at home, the police know where to find him and if he secretly jumps on another cruise ship you know he's not going to get far....
 
2012-02-22 05:36:13 PM

capt.hollister: Maybe because until there's an inquest into what happened he hasn't been indicted with anything... What's the fear ? He's at home, the police know where to find him and it's not like he's going to secretly jump on another cruise ship and run it aground....


Are you one of his attorneys?

Because that is exactly the excuse they used to try and get his house arrest lifted.

How on earth ANYONE can be defending this douche bag is beyond me.'

He was the CAPTAIN of the ship. Regardless of whether the corporation told him to get close for a 'wave by', or not, the ultimate responsibility for the safety of his passengers lies with him.
 
2012-02-22 05:39:38 PM
Yeah, for those who think morbid headlines are a rarity. To be complained about.
 
2012-02-22 05:47:11 PM

libranoelrose: capt.hollister: Maybe because until there's an inquest into what happened he hasn't been indicted with anything... What's the fear ? He's at home, the police know where to find him and it's not like he's going to secretly jump on another cruise ship and run it aground....

Are you one of his attorneys?

Because that is exactly the excuse they used to try and get his house arrest lifted.

How on earth ANYONE can be defending this douche bag is beyond me.'

He was the CAPTAIN of the ship. Regardless of whether the corporation told him to get close for a 'wave by', or not, the ultimate responsibility for the safety of his passengers lies with him.


I'm not defending him. I'm just pointing out that we don't jail people unless they have been found guilty of a crime or have been accused of one and there is a resonable fear that they will flee.

Mob mentality does not lead to justice being served. When all the causes of the accident have been determined, people will be charged, trials will be held, and prison sentences will be handed down.
 
2012-02-22 05:47:22 PM

Gilligann: I've seen at least 2 different episodes in that series, not sure how many there are total. Each one was practically the same except interviewed different passengers.


I haven't seen any episodes of that series, just the one documentary put out by Channel4 (new window).

I'll have to look those up, thanks.

Gilligann: I remember right after it happened a lot of people suggested that the captain ran the ship aground in an effort to save people. Turns out the captain had no control after the incident and it was pretty lucky there was a strong wind that night.


The documentary I mentioned above said the Captain ran the ship aground, if I remember correctly. It will be interesting to see the new evidence.
 
2012-02-22 05:50:10 PM
HOTY
 
2012-02-22 05:54:33 PM

capt.hollister: resonable fear that they will flee


I'd say the possibility of a 2,500 year sentence (new window) is a good enough reason to fear that they would flee.
 
2012-02-22 06:07:35 PM
I really don't care. I've never met anyone who's ever been on a cruise I didn't want to strangle midstory telling me about it.
 
2012-02-22 06:13:02 PM

sharkbeagle: I really don't care. I've never met anyone who's ever been on a cruise I didn't want to strangle midstory telling me about it.


I dunno, some of these have pretty interesting stories.
 
2012-02-22 06:17:45 PM

libranoelrose: capt.hollister: resonable fear that they will flee

I'd say the possibility of a 2,500 year sentence (new window) is a good enough reason to fear that they would flee.


Bah, with time off for good behavior and other touchy-feely stuff, he'll only serve half that.
 
2012-02-22 07:53:03 PM

libranoelrose: Gilligann: I've seen at least 2 different episodes in that series, not sure how many there are total. Each one was practically the same except interviewed different passengers.

I haven't seen any episodes of that series, just the one documentary put out by Channel4 (new window).

I'll have to look those up, thanks.

Gilligann: I remember right after it happened a lot of people suggested that the captain ran the ship aground in an effort to save people. Turns out the captain had no control after the incident and it was pretty lucky there was a strong wind that night.

The documentary I mentioned above said the Captain ran the ship aground, if I remember correctly. It will be interesting to see the new evidence.


Check out the first video on this page (new window). It shows exactly what happened. After the ship hit the rocks it started moving out to sea. Around 1:15-1:30 is when you start seeing the wind pushing the ship back to shore.
 
2012-02-22 07:56:09 PM
It gets better: they now found traces of coke on his hair (new window), and a new video surfaced filming what happened (or rather did not happen), on the bridge, moments after the ship struck rock bottom: Link (new window). Make sure to show annotations.

Eirik: libranoelrose: capt.hollister
the possibility of a 2,500 year sentence (new window) is a good enough reason to fear that they would flee.

Bah, with time off for good behavior and other touchy-feely stuff, he'll only serve half that.


I doubt it: people in Italy are selling T-shirts saying "Vada a bordo, cazzo!" ("Get on board, dick!", exactly what the Coast Guard official told him), and this is the same guy that told the Coast Guard he "tripped" into a rescue boat, together with two of his officers, after "the boat skidded". A few days after that he again sort of reiterated that, but this time they fell into the rescue boat because the ship suddenly listed ... .

You can read an official preliminary inquiry by the Italian Courts (pdf in English, pops), where it is already noted that the Captain was not the last to abandon ship.

The first thing he did when he came ashore was call his mother to tell her he was taking control of the situation, then he took a taxi to his hotel, and asked the cab driver where he could buy some socks. There's also the thing about the Moldavian girl present on the bridge, and who knows what else will come to see the light of day.

This guy was either nuts, drunk, hopped up on drugs, or a combination of those.
 
2012-02-22 09:27:56 PM
FWIW, the ship did travel sideways towards the island at the end there, but it doesn't mean it was blown there by the wind.

Big cruise ships have directional thrusters that may have been used (in other words, the captain may have actually "saved" 4000 people he recklessly put in mortal peril by maneuvering the ship to shore once it was apparent it wasn't going to make it back to port)

Or it might have been the wind.
 
2012-02-22 09:34:22 PM

Gilligann: Check out the first video on this page (new window). It shows exactly what happened. After the ship hit the rocks it started moving out to sea. Around 1:15-1:30 is when you start seeing the wind pushing the ship back to shore.


I can never get videos on the BBC site to play. I've tried every browser I have installed, on 3 different computers. Blah.

flexflint: It gets better: they now found traces of coke on his hair (new window), and a new video surfaced filming what happened (or rather did not happen), on the bridge, moments after the ship struck rock bottom: Link (new window). Make sure to show annotations.


Wow, that's the first time I've seen the video of the bridge.

Dude is an absolute failure. Who's dick did he suck to make Captain??
 
2012-02-22 09:36:12 PM

watson.t.hamster: What happened to the Romans?


Christianity.
 
2012-02-22 09:42:25 PM

libranoelrose: Gilligann: Check out the first video on this page (new window). It shows exactly what happened. After the ship hit the rocks it started moving out to sea. Around 1:15-1:30 is when you start seeing the wind pushing the ship back to shore.

I can never get videos on the BBC site to play. I've tried every browser I have installed, on 3 different computers. Blah.


Try this one: Link (new window). It's pretty much the same, but with commentary from a captain.
 
2012-02-22 10:12:14 PM

tekmo: watson.t.hamster: What happened to the Romans?

Christianity.


But other groups adopted Christianity and remained pretty bloodthirsty. Like most of europe in fact.

I blame the environment. Decent wine growing environment plus nice beaches means that there is a lot of temptation to sit around and be lazy rather than fight.

A prussian soldier back in the day had what to look forward to? Retiring on some rock-strewn windswept patch of frozen dirt. His incentive to live was somewhat reduced from the italian who had a tourist resort waiting for him if he survived the war. Could explain why Aussies, Scots, southerners, and mongolians to name a few become such reputable soldiers.
 
2012-02-22 10:43:43 PM

flexflint: libranoelrose: Gilligann: Check out the first video on this page (new window). It shows exactly what happened. After the ship hit the rocks it started moving out to sea. Around 1:15-1:30 is when you start seeing the wind pushing the ship back to shore.

I can never get videos on the BBC site to play. I've tried every browser I have installed, on 3 different computers. Blah.

Try this one: Link (new window). It's pretty much the same, but with commentary from a captain.


Thanks for that link, watching it now. Is the one from BBC 15 minutes?
 
2012-02-22 10:53:28 PM

libranoelrose: Is the one from BBC 15 minutes?


No, it's much shorter, it just shows the ship's route.
 
2012-02-22 11:22:46 PM

flexflint: libranoelrose: Is the one from BBC 15 minutes?

No, it's much shorter, it just shows the ship's route.


Cool, thanks.
 
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