Slaxl: This anti-e-cigarette shiat is so completely retarded and out of control it's unfathomable. I quit by using them, they're absolutely brilliant, they don't harm a soul, and anyone bothered by them is a farking moron who deserves to be stuck in a small room with 5 real smokers, and kicked in the nuts.

This pro-e-cigarette shiat is so completely retarded and out of control it's unfathomable. The FDA has confirmed that the vaporize carcinogens, being a danger both to the individual using them and those around them.

I've tried the e-cigs, and I'm thinking it would be very, very easy to sneak a hit or two on the plane.
You don't have to hold it like a regular smoke. You could easily cover the whole thing with your fist, because you're not going to get burned.

Hell, stick it down a cup and make it look like a drinking straw, or something.

I don't understand the e-cig hate. Why are people so down on them, why would Continental ban them? I don't see how it's any different from chewing gum in terms of annoyance to others.

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Hmmm.

Knew someone that used e-cigs. Elevated it to culture status. Used to say he was part of the "vaping community". Wanted to cram it up his ass.

Jument: I don't understand the e-cig hate. Why are people so down on them, why would Continental ban them? I don't see how it's any different from chewing gum in terms of annoyance to others.

If you chew gum, it doesn't put carcinogens into the air I breath.

meanmutton: Jument: I don't understand the e-cig hate. Why are people so down on them, why would Continental ban them? I don't see how it's any different from chewing gum in terms of annoyance to others.

If you chew gum, it doesn't put carcinogens into the air I breath.

There already is carcinogens in the air you breath.

meanmutton: Jument: I don't understand the e-cig hate. Why are people so down on them, why would Continental ban them? I don't see how it's any different from chewing gum in terms of annoyance to others.

If you chew gum, it doesn't put carcinogens into the air I breath.

Stop making stuff up.
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Jument: I don't understand the e-cig hate. Why are people so down on them, why would Continental ban them? I don't see how it's any different from chewing gum in terms of annoyance to others.

Turns out the world is not full of super geniuses. Continental is stupid for banning them, there is not a single good reason for banning them. However Continental is a private business so I don't really have a problem with them making that decision. What's amazingly stupid is that the federal government is thinking about banning them.

There's a lot of ignorance about E-cigs, and it's due in large part to the FDA's press release a year ago or so that they contain carcinogens, without mentioning specifically that the amount of carcinogens were in minute trace amounts that were statistically insignificant. The FDA wanted to control E-cigs as drug delivery devices and the E-liquid as a drug, but the SCOTUS told them they couldn't do that. Now that they're going to be regulated in the US as a tobacco product (which still isn't right) they still want to treat them like cigarettes, which is idiotic.

I love my E-cigs, quit over a year and a half ago because of them and never felt better. Now I do reviews and help people discover E-cigs so they can get off the cancer sticks.

That said though this guy was a bit of a douchenozzle. For fark's sake, either don't use the damn thing on the plane or learn to stealth vape.

Was it this guy?

meanmutton: Slaxl: This anti-e-cigarette shiat is so completely retarded and out of control it's unfathomable. I quit by using them, they're absolutely brilliant, they don't harm a soul, and anyone bothered by them is a farking moron who deserves to be stuck in a small room with 5 real smokers, and kicked in the nuts.

This pro-e-cigarette shiat is so completely retarded and out of control it's unfathomable. The FDA has confirmed that the vaporize carcinogens, being a danger both to the individual using them and those around them.

This middle-of-the-road-e-cigarette shiat is so completely retarded and out of control it's unfathomable. I know nothing about them, I don't care at all, and I just want to kick someone in the nuts.

lohphat: It's not about the eStick it's about not obeying the crew.

Decide policy on the ground Mr. AW or get your own plane. Stop wasting other people's time.

Done in one.

lohphat: It's not about the eStick it's about not obeying the crew.

Decide policy on the ground Mr. AW or get your own plane. Stop wasting other people's time.

This. How do some people figure that rules don't apply to them?

SBinRR: I've tried the e-cigs, and I'm thinking it would be very, very easy to sneak a hit or two on the plane.
You don't have to hold it like a regular smoke. You could easily cover the whole thing with your fist, because you're not going to get burned.

Hell, stick it down a cup and make it look like a drinking straw, or something.

I just go to the bathroom.

four95: Knew someone that used e-cigs. Elevated it to culture status. Used to say he was part of the "vaping community". Wanted to cram it up his ass.

Ah, you there, perhaps you could tell me. Is ignorance really bliss?

meanmutton:

If you chew gum, it doesn't put carcinogens into the air I breath.

Prove it.

robbiex0r: meanmutton: Jument: I don't understand the e-cig hate. Why are people so down on them, why would Continental ban them? I don't see how it's any different from chewing gum in terms of annoyance to others.

If you chew gum, it doesn't put carcinogens into the air I breath.

Stop making stuff up.
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From your link: "Certain tobacco-specific nitrosamines which are human carcinogens were detected in half of the samples tested."

Do you expect people NOT to click on the links you post?

So since I've managed to catch an eCig thread early this time I'm going to ask again. I have a b-day coming up shortly. I would like to get a starter system. Can one of you Farkers that uses these point me to some organized research (not medical) on the differences brands/models, decent supplier and or make a recommendation?

Exercise some self control, you farking infants.

im smoking my e-cigar right now at work so im getting a kick...

Psychopusher: That said though this guy was a bit of a douchenozzle. For fark's sake, either don't use the damn thing on the plane or learn to stealth vape.

That's pretty much where I am on this. Assuming you're using the e-cig in the lavatory there is no way they'll never farking know. Common sense people.

Although if I was a passenger I'd also be annoyed that Continental returned to airport, as opposed to just letting the Feds grab him at the destination.

Psychopusher: There's a lot of ignorance about E-cigs, and it's due in large part to the FDA's press release a year ago or so that they contain carcinogens, without mentioning specifically that the amount of carcinogens were in minute trace amounts that were statistically insignificant. The FDA wanted to control E-cigs as drug delivery devices and the E-liquid as a drug, but the SCOTUS told them they couldn't do that. Now that they're going to be regulated in the US as a tobacco product (which still isn't right) they still want to treat them like cigarettes, which is idiotic.

I love my E-cigs, quit over a year and a half ago because of them and never felt better. Now I do reviews and help people discover E-cigs so they can get off the cancer sticks.

That said though this guy was a bit of a douchenozzle. For fark's sake, either don't use the damn thing on the plane or learn to stealth vape.

QFT

I've used them on a plane before... as long as the user holds the vapor for a few moments, nothing is exhaled. If the user is smart, no one ever need know about it. That being said, if the flight attendant tells you to cut something out, you listen. No one needs to make a scene on a plane and anyone who has flown before should know that. There's a time and a place to act like an entitled douche-nozzle, and that place is not 30,000 feet in the air.

oakleym82: SBinRR: I've tried the e-cigs, and I'm thinking it would be very, very easy to sneak a hit or two on the plane.
You don't have to hold it like a regular smoke. You could easily cover the whole thing with your fist, because you're not going to get burned.

Hell, stick it down a cup and make it look like a drinking straw, or something.

I just go to the bathroom.

That was my next thought, right after I posted.

Jument: I don't understand the e-cig hate. Why are people so down on them, why would Continental ban them? I don't see how it's any different from chewing gum in terms of annoyance to others.

I think the issue is a good bellwether to see whether people are actually interested in protecting the public from a health hazard (secondhand smoke), or whether they are more interested in regulating other people's vices.

meanmutton: robbiex0r: meanmutton: Jument: I don't understand the e-cig hate. Why are people so down on them, why would Continental ban them? I don't see how it's any different from chewing gum in terms of annoyance to others.

If you chew gum, it doesn't put carcinogens into the air I breath.

Stop making stuff up.
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From your link: "Certain tobacco-specific nitrosamines which are human carcinogens were detected in half of the samples tested."

Do you expect people NOT to click on the links you post?

Perhaps you should research the full study a little bit. The amounts of carcinogens they found were in trace amounts that would have just about zero effect on human health.

as someone who just ordered an electronic cigarette I'm getting a kick.

Seriously though - anyone who freaks over one of these things should be the one thrown in federal prison. All you exhale is visible water vapor, yes WATER vapor, the same farking thing you are exhaling now. Because it has an orange LED on the end I'm a TURRORIST?

I may have been born in 82 - but I'm quite sure there was a time in this country you could smoke REAL farking cigarettes on a plane.

The real terrorists are laughing their ass off at just how much of a f'd up nazi police state we have become, we are scared of our own shadow. The level of anti-smoking, or even anti-ecig smoking people will go to is insane. Even when we invent a totally smokeless, odorless, flameless way of "smoking" people still get pissy, which tells me that even if we just rolled up a little while paper and made the motions of smoking, someone would still get pissed off.

Anyone who's so blindly anti smoking and operating on this nazi like level should look at our country and it's history, smokers were here long long LONG before you were.

four95: Knew someone that used e-cigs. Elevated it to culture status. Used to say he was part of the "vaping community". Wanted to cram it up his ass.

No, you're thinking of the e-nema community.

meanmutton: Jument: I don't understand the e-cig hate. Why are people so down on them, why would Continental ban them? I don't see how it's any different from chewing gum in terms of annoyance to others.

If you chew gum, it doesn't put carcinogens into the air I breath.

Yeah, except there aren't carcinogens. You are vaporizing water, nicotine and common propylene glycol which is used in pretty much every asthma inhaler. The FDA even lists PG as safe or generally safe. Nicotine isn't a carcinogen, and neither is atomized water.

I fart carcinogens in airplanes, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

meanmutton: robbiex0r: meanmutton: Jument: I don't understand the e-cig hate. Why are people so down on them, why would Continental ban them? I don't see how it's any different from chewing gum in terms of annoyance to others.

If you chew gum, it doesn't put carcinogens into the air I breath.

Stop making stuff up.
Link (new window)

From your link: "Certain tobacco-specific nitrosamines which are human carcinogens were detected in half of the samples tested."

Do you expect people NOT to click on the links you post?

Do you expect people to NOT investigate those simple words? If you look at the reports, those amounts are trace at best. I'd wager you inhale more carcinogens driving a car.

I quit smoking 5 months ago and still use my e-cig (eGos and Riva 510s for the enthusiasts). It is truly the best cessation product available. Quitting was virtually painless.

That said, I had to stop going to the e-cig forums, etc., because I can't stand these militant e-cig users. I do not use mine anywhere in public that I couldn't use a real cigarette. It makes people uncomfortable and it is, frankly, obnoxious. Just be happy that you found an effective way to quit smoking and stop waving it in everyone's face.

accelerus: I may have been born in 82 - but I'm quite sure there was a time in this country you could smoke REAL farking cigarettes on a plane.

Yes there was. And it sucked.

Maybe it just has carcinogens "in California", where apparently things that are fine in the rest of the country conspire to kill you by tainting your organic purity homeopathically. Or something.

Can't smoke somewhere?



No mess, nobody knows. Gets me through an 8-hour workday with no break just fine.

I accidentally found out how to get a big bottle of liquid through security last week.

It's easy: Just get a big pair of pants carry it through the metal detector in your pocket.

(Won't work with a nudie-scan machine but there's plenty of airports which don't have them yet)

Filthy smokers. Serves em right.

/Wha.. ?

I absolutely loathe smokers, most people at my office know this, but some still stubbornly try to smoke these electric cigarettes as if it doesn't cause discomfort and possible second-hand smoke effects. This is why I keep a small bottle of fox urine handy with a spray-nozzle. If they are going to pollute my air, I am going to spray them. Not surprisingly, it works every time, I have never had to spray the same smoker twice.

Spade: Link


Hmmm.

I think this may be the real story, here's the link again: Link (new window)

From the link:

"Two arrested after disturbance on Continental flight headed to Houston KHOU Two people were arrested after a scare on board a Continental flight that was headed to Houston. view full article From Jihad Watch: "Two Middle Eastern men" on a Continental flight from Portland to Houston. "He was screaming, 'Allah is great, Allah is great,' you know, and it kinda worries you when all of that happens..." says a passenger on the flight in the video above. The KHOU story doesn't mention this, and says the flight turned around and landed back in Portland because one of them wouldn't obey the "No Smoking" sign."

Also, you do what you're told on an airplane, they have zero problem turning around and kicking you off.

Also, carcinogens are probably some of the least deadly things you can breathe on a plane. The bird flu and airborne ebola that about half of the travelers seem to have this time of year are much more worrisome. Saying nothing of the jackasses who don't bathe and/or eat beans, cabbage, and draft beer for a week straight before flying.

ha-ha-guy: That's pretty much where I am on this. Assuming you're using the e-cig in the lavatory there is no way they'll never farking know. Common sense people.

Although if I was a passenger I'd also be annoyed that Continental returned to airport, as opposed to just letting the Feds grab him at the destination.

True, and this sort of idiocy is the sort of thing that gives E-cigs a bad name at a time when they're still trying to find a respectable level of legitimacy, so this guy's douchenozzelry is doubled for that reason.

Taking it to the bathroom is the sensible thing to do if you don't know how to stealth vape. I've done it on the train, and stealth vaped in my seat. Nobody was any the wiser. But I bet this guy was taken in by one of those crappy snake oil salesmen like SmokeAnywhere that claim you can vape these things wherever the hell you want.

new_york_monty: QFT

I've used them on a plane before... as long as the user holds the vapor for a few moments, nothing is exhaled. If the user is smart, no one ever need know about it. That being said, if the flight attendant tells you to cut something out, you listen. No one needs to make a scene on a plane and anyone who has flown before should know that. There's a time and a place to act like an entitled douche-nozzle, and that place is not 30,000 feet in the air.


Exactly. Follow the damn rules and don't be such an entitled prick. It doesn't matter if they're legal, not everything is allowed everywhere.