"Exposure to mists may cause eye irritation, as well as upper respiratory tract irritation. Inhalation of the propylene glycol vapors appears to present no significant hazard in ordinary applications. However, limited human experience indicates that inhalation of propylene glycol mists could be irritating to some individuals.[19] Some research has suggested that propylene glycol not be used in applications where inhalation exposure or human eye contact with the spray mists of these materials is likely, such as fogs for theatrical productions or antifreeze solutions for emergency eye wash stations.[20]"

Like too much perfume, using a product which emits vapors carrying a drug, an enclosed place with forced proximity to others my not be the best choice.

I was on a flight where some Moran started to paint her nails. Imagine how that went over. The cabin attendant shut her down as soon as she found her. Not only was the solvent nauseating and had filled the cabin, but using a flammable liquid was against so many FAA regs that she could have had her arrested if she didn't comply.

meanmutton: If you chew gum, it doesn't put carcinogens into the air I breath.

Freeze! Let's see some credentials. *Slowly*. You're a Chewley's Gum representative? And you're stirring up all this anti-smoking sentiment to, what, sell more gum? GET OUT OF HERE! And you people, don't you have jobs to go to? Get out of here, go commute! You oughta be ashamed of yourselves. Bunch of easily-led automatons. Try thinking for yourselves before you pelt an innocent man with cigarettes!

En0ch_The_Red: Big Tobacco loses (E-cig juice doesn't come from them, and it'll cut into sales of conventional cigarettes)

"Big Tobacco" have been getting into the business of ecigs since the beginning. They just do it under different names... sometimes. They're not loosing any money over the ecig. Added regulations and brand displacement, on the other hand....

/just a friendly FYI

E-cigs are a marketing game. Like real cigs, the ad men try to establish brand tribalism no different from the Malboro Man.

Stop being cliqueish, fawning, marketing tools.

Brainsick: /and an 8-hour workday without a break is illegal; surely there is a lunch or something...

Look-up exempt vs non-exempt employee.

Fizics: iron_city_ap: Fizics: I absolutely loathe smokers, most people at my office know this, but some still stubbornly try to smoke these electric cigarettes as if it doesn't cause discomfort and possible second-hand smoke effects. This is why I keep a small bottle of fox urine handy with a spray-nozzle. If they are going to pollute my air, I am going to spray them. Not surprisingly, it works every time, I have never had to spray the same smoker twice.

Back when I was smoking, if you would have sprayed me with fox urine, the next day I would have a can of pepper spray ready for you.

This is the attitude I confront every day. People have no respect and will continue to smoke their electric cigarettes in flagrant defiance of the rules. Quite frankly, people will not listen to direction or obey rules by nature and sometimes require a "swat on the nose" to remind them that the rules are indeed there for a reason and in fact, DO apply to them. I find that a spray of fox urine in the general face area of a smoker will make them think twice about electric cigarettes.

Why are you telling lies? Nobody believes you.

meanmutton: Jument: I don't understand the e-cig hate. Why are people so down on them, why would Continental ban them? I don't see how it's any different from chewing gum in terms of annoyance to others.

If you chew gum, it doesn't put carcinogens into the air I breath.

Quit talking. You're exhaling too much cancer causing derp

For the assorted 'poisoning the air that I breath' commenter's.

First, what DOESN'T cause cancer?

Second, while the FDA did some testing and did find carcinogens, there was no mention of the fact that the levels were far lower than with actual cigarettes. Their beef seems mainly that among the e-cigarette manufacturers, there is inconsistency concerning the amount of nicotine administered. They also made no mention of the fact that many e-fluid providers offer a vast assortment of non-tobacco flavors, with or without nicotine and were these tested for harmful content?

I would think that vaporizing even natural fruit juice and inhaling it just might cause problems.

The e-cigarette is virtually scentless, meaning that the 'god-awful' smell non-smokers biatch about doesn't happen and the chemical makeup is different, meaning you'll not get that 'smokers coating' over every surface.

Plus, you can't start a fire with an e-cigarette unless you MacGyver it. You can drop it in volatile liquids, on beds, in chairs and on couches without risk of anything catching fire.

Naturally, the second major concern is that the device can be used as a delivery system for other illegal drugs. Well, heck, so can any other form of medical or OTC vaporizer or inhaler. Since the 'war on drugs' began, I've learned about ways to take drugs that I never even thought of.

I knew a guy who smoked crack with a beer can. So, should all beers now be made illegal because their cans can be used as an illegal substance delivery system?

Pretty well, however you look at it, e-cigs do far less damage than the real thing.

Check out the carcinogens in some of those plastic bottles you drink liquids from. You might just want to examine the vapors which come off frequently used lava rocks in propane BBQ grills. Examine the smoke from nearly any BBQ charcoal.

PVC plastic is known for carcinogens. Yet, it's used as a fluid delivery system in nearly every home. (Copper, btw, actually acts as a natural antibacterial substance, but is now expensive.)

I have noticed that the FDA has done little to change the manufacturing process of cigarettes. Nor have the companies themselves. Thanks to a previous FARKer, I read up on the current tobacco prep process and found out how much it has changed since I first started smoking, decades ago. I was not happy with what I found. (Tobacco 'tea' sprayed on the shredded tobacco to make it stronger.)

The FDA only required that tobacco companies remove the salt peter (potassium nitrate) from their cigarettes, which started being added in the late 50's to keep them from going out when you put them down. (Which also burned them up faster, making sure you'd have to buy more.) Plus, during WW2 the tobacco companies stopped using Japanese rice paper and switched to American acid cured pulp paper -- which has a lot more krap in it. After WW2, the influence of the big paper mill owners kept them from switching back.

Cleaning up their act will NOT give you a carcinogen free cigarette, but it can be made a whole lot less dangerous.

Right now, e-cigs are a good alternative. Even better if they get the tobacco taste right (which they haven't) and get regulated into consistency.

Besides, if you test the air in a packed jetliner, I'm quite sure you'll find a host of dangerous things, most of which will come from the passengers themselves. The airline companies, long ago, reduced seating space to cram in more people and I seriously doubt if they thoroughly clean the air vents very often. Changing the filters is cheaper and takes less time.

Also...

Puffing on my Denali (by Mamu) with Mom and Pop Crazy Ape is delightful. I would also recommend High Brow -- really, give either of those two a try for your e-juice. The Denali is something you can't get so I heartily recommend a Buzz Pro.

I also recommend a more open forum than ECF but ECF is a good place for n00bs.

Brainsick: lohphat: E-cigs are a marketing game. Like real cigs, the ad men try to establish brand tribalism no different from the Malboro Man.

Stop being cliqueish, fawning, marketing tools.

Yes, much better to be a dickish, whining, internet tool

/amirite?

People fawning over their eCig brands are like people fawning over their latest ironic tatt or piercing.

Fine you've decided to kick a deadly habit, good for you. But don't wear the solution like a Louis Vuitton bag.

Psychopusher: There's a lot of ignorance about E-cigs, and it's due in large part to the FDA's press release a year ago or so that they contain carcinogens, without mentioning specifically that the amount of carcinogens were in minute trace amounts that were statistically insignificant. The FDA wanted to control E-cigs as drug delivery devices and the E-liquid as a drug, but the SCOTUS told them they couldn't do that. Now that they're going to be regulated in the US as a tobacco product (which still isn't right) they still want to treat them like cigarettes, which is idiotic.

I love my E-cigs, quit over a year and a half ago because of them and never felt better. Now I do reviews and help people discover E-cigs so they can get off the cancer sticks.

That said though this guy was a bit of a douchenozzle. For fark's sake, either don't use the damn thing on the plane or learn to stealth vape.

I just picked up my first e-cig. I'd love to get your opinion on which other brands I should consider. EIP.

Psychopusher: Contrabulous Flabtraption: I just picked up my first e-cig. I'd love to get your opinion on which other brands I should consider. EIP.

Be happy to, but I can't seem to find the E in your P. However, my P has an E, so if you want to do like Whitney and drop me a line, please feel free.

/Too soon?

Didn't see your E in your P either. Weird. Contrabulous-Flabtraption at ultrafark.com

Super T Manufacturing makes a great line of vaporizers. I use an 18500 and an 18350 precise + with 510 dual coil atomizers, which gives a very nice amount of vapor and is a great dripping setup overall. I have used cartomizers and they always end up leaking on me. Dripping a 510 dc atomizer is a joy.

Check out Pink Spot for some great flavors and awesome customer service. Their Pink and Blu spot flavors mixed with a little menthol are awesome. Frozen lime drop is also quite good.

There is a ton of info out there and it can be overwhelming, but find something that works. I started with a mod, but something like an Ego might be a better starter kit if you don't want to mess with the gear so much at first.

As for TFA, the rule is asinine, but it's Continental's rule. Either stealth it or go to the lavatory. Very simple.

For you farkers complaining about the alleged health risks about the water vapor, which is no more smoke-like than steam, you don't know what you are talking about. Some basic research could set you straight. PG is in all sorts of stuff, the nicotine is absorbed by the person vaping, and since you are not lighting anything on fire, there is no smoke. Just because it looks like a cigarette (and in many cases with better e-cigs and mods they look nothing like cigarettes) doesn't mean it's a cigarette.

Good to see some other people here having some success with PVs.

... Almost forgot. Check out GrimmGreen on YouTube. He has some great info and reviews for anybody interested in the subject.

CthulhuCalling: Wouldn't it be easier to just not start smoking in the first place? I'm sure the first time you sucked on a butt, it wasn't pleasant, so why continue?

Try some decent tobacco.
No such thing in a cigarette. Just make you sick.
Pipe tobacco comercially available is also chit.

Tobacco has a Nice Buzz, but tolerance is immediate. Can only get the buzz smokining tobacco once a week or so.
Some cigars are just tobacco.

Here's a bit of follow-up on this story with more details: Link (new window). FTFA: Yazeed Mohammed Abunayyan was "yelling profanities and swinging his fist at the flight attendant, hitting or attempting to hit several passengers, and speaking or singing about Usama [Osama] bin Laden and his hatred of women"