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(USA Today)   Unpasteurized milk, which many foodies will tell you is the Greatest Health Drink EVAR, is 150 times more likely to kill you than regular milk. But where's the reward without a little risk, amiright?   (yourlife.usatoday.com) divider line 301
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2012-02-22 12:43:07 PM
Sometimes you just have to risk it.
 
2012-02-22 12:43:37 PM

Aphoticamy: What is so great about drinking unpasteurized milk? I like milk, I don't drink a LOT of it, but I like it.

What are the health benefits? Why is it supposedly such a health drink? I'm just curious.


if it's been tampered with in ANY way, then it's automatically not healthy. non-pasteurized milk is the equivalent of not vaccinating your kids. you just don't get the science behind it and you don't care to get it.
 
2012-02-22 12:45:12 PM
I don't know about "Foodies" but it seems like the whole raw-milk thing has a lot more overlap with the anti-government nutball circles.
 
2012-02-22 12:45:15 PM

Loaf's Tray: micah1701: where are they getting the 150 TIMES from?

FTA: the survey found 121 outbreaks linked to dairy products in which it was known whether the milk was pasteurized or unpasteurized (also called "raw"). Of those, 60% were caused by raw milk and 39% by pasteurized milk.

60/39 = 153%.

PERCENT != TIMES

The lead headline should read "Unpasteurized milk, touted as the ultimate health food by some, is 1.5 times more likely to cause food-borne illness outbreaks than pasteurized milk"

I believe that's an adjustment for the fact that "raw" milk only accounts for 1% of total consumption in the US.

//Not a stats guy...


^ This. Raw milk is consumed much less, which makes those numbers even scarier. Anyone who drinks raw milk over pasteurized is a retard. There is no health benefit to raw milk over unpasteurized, unless getting violently ill is a health benefit.
 
2012-02-22 12:45:42 PM
I'm making homemade ice cream today, so I'm getting a kick....

/homemade butter pecan FTW
 
2012-02-22 12:49:00 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: And regular milk's likelihood of killing you is?


312 times as likely as Dr. Pepper
 
2012-02-22 12:49:43 PM

machoprogrammer: Loaf's Tray: micah1701: where are they getting the 150 TIMES from?

FTA: the survey found 121 outbreaks linked to dairy products in which it was known whether the milk was pasteurized or unpasteurized (also called "raw"). Of those, 60% were caused by raw milk and 39% by pasteurized milk.

60/39 = 153%.

PERCENT != TIMES

The lead headline should read "Unpasteurized milk, touted as the ultimate health food by some, is 1.5 times more likely to cause food-borne illness outbreaks than pasteurized milk"

I believe that's an adjustment for the fact that "raw" milk only accounts for 1% of total consumption in the US.

//Not a stats guy...

^ This. Raw milk is consumed much less, which makes those numbers even scarier. Anyone who drinks raw milk over pasteurized is a retard. There is no health benefit to raw milk over unpasteurized, unless getting violently ill is a health benefit.



Thankfully we have the Federal Nannies, armed with razor sharp Commerce Claws, to protect is from this White Plague.

/Much doodoo about nothing
 
2012-02-22 12:50:51 PM

MemeSlave: ytterbium: My friends gives her young kids raw milk. They're also unvaccinated and they have multiple alleries.

A recipe for disaster, it makes me worry.

Why? Less brats for you to pay taxes to feed and educate.


I'm actually babysitting them today, just hoping they don't die of Campylobacter, measles or anaphylactic shock on my watch.
 
2012-02-22 12:51:14 PM
In Wisconsin the debate has been about farmers being able to drink their own milk that their farm produces. Right now a farmer can't legally go out and grab a cup of milk from their cows and add it to their pancake batter.

It has always been framed as a civil liberty issue to me.
 
2012-02-22 12:51:17 PM

Amos Quito: [www.mybadpad.com image 580x401]

My amazing new electric bra pasteurizes mothers milk in situ.

/Hot


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2012-02-22 12:51:42 PM
gothamist.com

Federal agents smash a stash of hoofleg milk.


/Revenuers
 
2012-02-22 12:52:28 PM
I grew up on a dairy farm. Our milk won quality awards from our dairy for its low bacteria counts.

When we drew out of the tank for milk for the family to drink, we ran it through a home pasteurizer. NOBODY drank the raw milk.

People who drink raw milk are stupid.
 
2012-02-22 12:54:08 PM
Ok; put me squarely down in the meh camp. If someone wants to drink raw/unpaturized milk; let 'em. It's their own damn fault if they get sick.

Also, as long as the cow isn't standing in her own shiat, her utters were washed beforehand and the milk is stored in a clean, cold vessel; the risk is minimial.

If you're getting the milk from bessy out in the barn; it's ok. But, if you're getting it from a commercial dairy; it's not.

/ it's not that tough, people
 
2012-02-22 12:54:16 PM

talulahgosh: Aphoticamy: What is so great about drinking unpasteurized milk? I like milk, I don't drink a LOT of it, but I like it.

What are the health benefits? Why is it supposedly such a health drink? I'm just curious.

if it's been tampered with in ANY way, then it's automatically not healthy. non-pasteurized milk is the equivalent of not vaccinating your kids. you just don't get the science behind it and you don't care to get it.


I don't get the benefit of unpasteurized milk. Either the proponents are off on the "natural is automatically better even if its lethal" line of thought, or they don't know the difference between pasteurization and homogenization. Unhomogenized milk is tastier than homogenized because the homogenization process changes the milk fat structure. (To me, 2% unhomogenized tastes richer than homogenized whole milk.) But I think there are a lot of places where you can't get pasteurized unhomgenized milk.
 
2012-02-22 12:54:22 PM
PsyLord:

Um, yeah, you know that the sushi, at least, is specially frozen to remove pathogens, right?
 
2012-02-22 12:56:35 PM
People forget how many people died prior to the 20th century due to bad milk.

I don't know why people think that since we have such a advanced society that we are somehow immune to the problems of the past. Unpasteurized milk can seriously F**k your whole world up.

Same thing with measles, pox, rabies, flu, plague, etc. We discount their severity because efforts from our scientific efforts have worked very well to all but eliminate. Every one of them will F**k you up....very bad juju.
 
2012-02-22 12:57:05 PM
Man, I'm gonna drink me some raw milk.

*Six days of violent illness*

Hey, I lost 10 pounds! Raw milk is a wonder!
 
2012-02-22 12:57:36 PM
Look, my ancestors spent thousands of years developing the mastery of fire and trying to stave off disease.

I for one am not going to go around disrespecting their achievement by drinking unpasteurized milk, or eating uncooked meat!

/smile
 
2012-02-22 12:58:35 PM

karmaceutical: I don't know about "Foodies" but it seems like the whole raw-milk thing has a lot more overlap with the anti-government nutball circles.


Ding.

The same people who crusade for the freedom to kill themselves are the first ones to sue the government for allowing it when one of their number succeeds.
 
2012-02-22 12:58:39 PM

Nurglitch: PsyLord:

Um, yeah, you know that the sushi, at least, is specially frozen to remove pathogens, right?


What did they do before the advent of refrigeration?

I chill sushi because it is easier to cut when it's cold.
 
2012-02-22 01:03:03 PM
They don't care. Any evidence that it is far more dangerous has an answer, and their anecdote of "I've never gotten sick or known anyone that's gotten sick from raw milk" will trump any amount of scientific evidence that they could make themselves and their kids very, very sick.

I've tried it, but was still worried I could get sick. It's like playing with fire. It can be fun, until you burn down the orchard and outbuilding (in my defense I wasn't playing with fire, but burning the trash as I was told).

And then you've got books like "Nourishing Traditions" out there that advocate raw milk and include a whole bunch of woo regarding teeth health, as well as dismiss the risks associated with eating cow's brains as overblown and not worthy of consideration.
 
2012-02-22 01:03:04 PM
Next up will be a movement of people not fully cooking hamburgers. Grab you unpasteurized buttered popcorn and sit back for the show.
 
2012-02-22 01:03:17 PM

Earpj: Teknowaffle: If you are over 16 there is no reason to drink milk. Grow up and eat real cheese.

Did you know that drinking a glass of milk with dinner will help one not eat as much and thus loose weight?

I am thinner when I drink more milk.

Also, cheese raises my blood pressure.


Couldn't you do the same thing with a glass of water?

/or beer
 
2012-02-22 01:03:21 PM

jayhawk88: Man, I'm gonna drink me some raw milk.

*Six days of violent illness*

Hey, I lost 10 pounds! Raw milk is a wonder!


I'm staring at a bottle of raw milk right now. Could this be my new diet plan?

I was a victim in the Great Jalepeno Salmonella Outbreak of '08. I lost 20 lbs in a most unpleasant manner, so I might just head back to the gym instead.
 
2012-02-22 01:03:34 PM
The largest reason raw milk is dangerous is because people don't know how to handle it or extract it without contamination. Babies drink raw milk all the time from mother's teat. The "OMG raw milk will kill you crowd" is silly. If people want to drink raw milk let them. The risks are there. Big deal. Driving or riding in a car is more dangerous. Go worry about something else.
 
2012-02-22 01:04:05 PM

PsyLord: Drinking unpasterized milk is not the type of risk that I would want to take. However, eating these items raw, let me at them.

[images.agoramedia.com image 300x400]

[varietyhealthyfood.com image 500x334]


That looks awesome...wait..am I in the second picture?
 
2012-02-22 01:05:13 PM

Ennuipoet: Anyone who claims that raw milk is superior in any way to pasteurized has never had to drink the nasty stuff! I would almost rather drink milk from the bull.


I thought it tasted better than pasteurized...
 
2012-02-22 01:06:00 PM

Nurglitch: PsyLord:

Um, yeah, you know that the sushi, at least, is specially frozen to remove pathogens, right?


maybe the shiat sushi you eat.
 
2012-02-22 01:07:13 PM
One really good reason to not drink Unpasteurized Milk! (new window) Goes to a three part article but the important bits are in the first page. I love milk and would never want to go through what she is! I will buy mine from a store and make sure it is pasteurized.
 
2012-02-22 01:07:42 PM
www.notablebiographies.com

"Are you people farking stupid?"
 
2012-02-22 01:07:48 PM
They do it for taste and not for health, Chachi.
 
2012-02-22 01:08:33 PM

Rent Party: Nurglitch: PsyLord:

Um, yeah, you know that the sushi, at least, is specially frozen to remove pathogens, right?

What did they do before the advent of refrigeration?

I chill sushi because it is easier to cut when it's cold.


They probably ate it on the boat or on the dock the same day they caught it. I don't think people were shipping fresh unpreserved fish very far inland in those days.
 
2012-02-22 01:08:35 PM

jjwars1: The largest reason raw milk is dangerous is because people don't know how to handle it or extract it without contamination. Babies drink raw milk all the time from mother's teat. The "OMG raw milk will kill you crowd" is silly. If people want to drink raw milk let them. The risks are there. Big deal. Driving or riding in a car is more dangerous. Go worry about something else.


That's fine. Now should you be allowed to sell it? How about advertizing that it is perfectly safe and healthier for you?
 
2012-02-22 01:09:09 PM

Russ1642: Next up will be a movement of people not fully cooking hamburgers. Grab you unpasteurized buttered popcorn and sit back for the show.


Actually, medium-rare hamburgers are DELICIOUS. But I don't try to pretend that they aren't more likely to make me sick than the boring fully cooked kind.
 
2012-02-22 01:09:47 PM

Nurglitch: PsyLord:

Um, yeah, you know that the sushi, at least, is specially frozen to remove pathogens, right?


Good thing that was shishimi.
 
2012-02-22 01:10:45 PM

jagec: Russ1642: Next up will be a movement of people not fully cooking hamburgers. Grab you unpasteurized buttered popcorn and sit back for the show.

Actually, medium-rare hamburgers are DELICIOUS. But I don't try to pretend that they aren't more likely to make me sick than the boring fully cooked kind.


If you want rare, order a steak. Ground beef is the assholes and elbows of the cow, generally. I want mine burned all the way through.
 
2012-02-22 01:11:01 PM
I grew up
Drinking unpasturized goats milk and think this argument over milk is nuts.

Legalize food
Legalize drugs

Let adults choose.
 
2012-02-22 01:11:29 PM

jjwars1: The largest reason raw milk is dangerous is because people don't know how to handle it or extract it without contamination. Babies drink raw milk all the time from mother's teat. The "OMG raw milk will kill you crowd" is silly. If people want to drink raw milk let them. The risks are there. Big deal. Driving or riding in a car is more dangerous. Go worry about something else.


You don't see a difference between a baby drinking its mother's milk, and an adult of one species drinking the milk of another species? You think the risks of disease are the same in both cases?
 
2012-02-22 01:12:46 PM

jagec: Russ1642: Next up will be a movement of people not fully cooking hamburgers. Grab you unpasteurized buttered popcorn and sit back for the show.

Actually, medium-rare hamburgers are DELICIOUS. But I don't try to pretend that they aren't more likely to make me sick than the boring fully cooked kind.


There are two kinds of hamburgers I am willing to eat: Medium-rare ones, and well-done ones cooked by people who aren't me.
 
2012-02-22 01:13:31 PM

Jubeebee: You don't see a difference between a baby drinking its mother's milk, and an adult of one species drinking the milk of another species? You think the risks of disease are the same in both cases?


Especially if the latter milk was collected in a bucket on the ground next to a shiatload of cows.
 
2012-02-22 01:14:20 PM

machoprogrammer: ^ This. Raw milk is consumed much less, which makes those numbers even scarier. Anyone who drinks raw milk over pasteurized is a retard. There is no health benefit to raw milk over unpasteurized, unless getting violently ill is a health benefit.


You are right everyone who drinks raw milk over pasteurized milk is subject to a higher risk of a number terrible diseases. Yet, should that be a reason to ban it?

Does eating raw fish over cooked fish result in a similar increase in risk? Does eating rare or blue steak over well done steak result in a similar increase in risk? Does hiking the high sierra over taking a walk in your local park result in a similar increase in risk? Does drinking a bottle of beer over a glass of water result in a similar increase in risk?

I don't want anyone to tell me not to eat sushi, delicious bloody steak, drink beer or go hiking in the high sierra. The government is responsible to help educate the population about risks they would not otherwise know... Even ensure some standard of hygiene... But lets be smart about this, and allow people to make their own informed decisions about how they live their life.

/For the record I have had raw milk only a few times in my life. It is far richer and more delicious than regular whole milk. However, I wouldn't drink it often. Once in a few years is an acceptable risk in my mind.
 
2012-02-22 01:14:32 PM

Russ1642: Next up will be a movement of people not fully cooking hamburgers. Grab you unpasteurized buttered popcorn and sit back for the show.


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You mean like a retro movement?

But seriously, I usually get my burger medium, but sometimes I'll ask for it medium rare. Also, you really need to try beef carpaccio.
 
2012-02-22 01:15:47 PM

Rent Party: jagec: Russ1642: Next up will be a movement of people not fully cooking hamburgers. Grab you unpasteurized buttered popcorn and sit back for the show.

Actually, medium-rare hamburgers are DELICIOUS. But I don't try to pretend that they aren't more likely to make me sick than the boring fully cooked kind.

If you want rare, order a steak. Ground beef is the assholes and elbows of the cow, generally. I want mine burned all the way through.


Ground beef certainly is because it's nondescript. You can't go wrong with ground sirloin or ground chuck though.
 
2012-02-22 01:16:13 PM

jagec: Russ1642: Next up will be a movement of people not fully cooking hamburgers. Grab you unpasteurized buttered popcorn and sit back for the show.

Actually, medium-rare hamburgers are DELICIOUS. But I don't try to pretend that they aren't more likely to make me sick than the boring fully cooked kind.


I had a very undercooked hamburger once. They were having a cookout at work and the burgers were really thick. They were taking too long to fully cook so we just ate them. And yes, they taste fantastic, but it isn't worth it.
 
2012-02-22 01:19:15 PM

Rent Party: jagec: Russ1642: Next up will be a movement of people not fully cooking hamburgers. Grab you unpasteurized buttered popcorn and sit back for the show.

Actually, medium-rare hamburgers are DELICIOUS. But I don't try to pretend that they aren't more likely to make me sick than the boring fully cooked kind.

If you want rare, order a steak. Ground beef is the assholes and elbows of the cow, generally. I want mine burned all the way through.


Places that will cook a burger med-rare usually use higher quality ground beef. Some places will actually GRIND UP FILET and make a hamburger out of it. Something about that seems a bit sacrilegious to me, but I guess no one looks down on steak tartare, right?

Rapmaster2000: They do it for taste and not for health, Chachi.


The sane ones do it for taste and not for health, but trust me, there are plenty of loony people out there who think that cooking food is somehow bad for you, and responsible for the downfall of society.
 
2012-02-22 01:19:46 PM
There should be a very strong "buyer beware" statement, similar to those attached to alcohol and tobacco products. But if somebody really wants raw milk, for whatever dietary reason they can think of, they should be able to get it.
 
2012-02-22 01:19:57 PM

Evil Mackerel: Nurglitch: PsyLord:

Um, yeah, you know that the sushi, at least, is specially frozen to remove pathogens, right?

Good thing that was shishimi.


The same fish is flash frozen to kill or forestall bacterial growth.
 
2012-02-22 01:21:19 PM

Wolfy: Does eating raw fish over cooked fish result in a similar increase in risk? Does eating rare or blue steak over well done steak result in a similar increase in risk? Does hiking the high sierra over taking a walk in your local park result in a similar increase in risk? Does drinking a bottle of beer over a glass of water result in a similar increase in risk?


The difference between doing those things and drinking raw milk is that hiking the high sierra doesn't carry a risk that you'll infect your children and co-workers with a serious disease.

You're allowed to do all sorts of stupid, dangerous things as long as the only person harmed is YOU. When you start exposing yourself to communicable disease vectors for stupid reasons you become a danger to the public health, and therefore our public authorities can and should stop you from doing that stupid, dangerous thing before you hurt the people around you.
 
2012-02-22 01:21:34 PM

RexTalionis: Teknowaffle: If you are over 16 there is no reason to drink milk. Grow up and eat real cheese.

Lactose tolerance is a freaky mutation, man. Anybody who drinks milk is a mutie freak.

/Lactose intolerant. Emphasis on intolerant.


Still? It's 2012. Give up the hate.

/we need a lactose tolerance parade to educate all the remaining bigots out there.
 
2012-02-22 01:22:40 PM

Rapmaster2000: Rent Party: jagec: Russ1642: Next up will be a movement of people not fully cooking hamburgers. Grab you unpasteurized buttered popcorn and sit back for the show.

Actually, medium-rare hamburgers are DELICIOUS. But I don't try to pretend that they aren't more likely to make me sick than the boring fully cooked kind.

If you want rare, order a steak. Ground beef is the assholes and elbows of the cow, generally. I want mine burned all the way through.

Ground beef certainly is because it's nondescript. You can't go wrong with ground sirloin or ground chuck though.


Ground sirloin is ground beef. Processing raw foods is dangerous not just because of the meat but all the equipment involved needs to be kept super clean. Cooking meat eliminates most of the hazards that come up during the processing, packaging, distribution, and storage of meat.
 
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