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(USA Today)   Unpasteurized milk, which many foodies will tell you is the Greatest Health Drink EVAR, is 150 times more likely to kill you than regular milk. But where's the reward without a little risk, amiright?   (yourlife.usatoday.com) divider line 301
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2012-02-22 07:12:56 AM
And regular milk's likelihood of killing you is?
 
2012-02-22 07:22:31 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: And regular milk's likelihood of killing you is?


I'm guessing 150 times less likely than unpasteurized milk.
 
2012-02-22 07:24:42 AM
No point crying over lethal milk.
 
2012-02-22 07:47:59 AM
150 * 0 = 0
 
2012-02-22 08:02:56 AM
If you are over 16 there is no reason to drink milk. Grow up and eat real cheese.
 
2012-02-22 08:43:56 AM
www.myhousecallmd.com
 
2012-02-22 08:55:02 AM

Teknowaffle: If you are over 16 there is no reason to drink milk. Grow up and eat real cheese.


Lactose tolerance is a freaky mutation, man. Anybody who drinks milk is a mutie freak.

/Lactose intolerant. Emphasis on intolerant.
 
2012-02-22 08:58:26 AM

RexTalionis: Teknowaffle: If you are over 16 there is no reason to drink milk. Grow up and eat real cheese.

Lactose tolerance is a freaky mutation, man. Anybody who drinks milk is a mutie freak.

/Lactose intolerant. Emphasis on intolerant.


did you know that there isn't much (if any) lactose in heavy whipping cream? so you can put it in your coffee without problems. (i do exactly this). i've heard that using heavy whipping cream makes the caffeine easier to absorb into your bloodstream, too, so you get a better high out of it. I don't know if this is true, though i use heavy cream because it tastes awesome.

also, grapefruit juice apparently blocks the metabolism of caffeine, prolonging the effects of it. i have no citations for these claims, but feel free to experiment on your own. personally, i'd rather be sleepy than have to taste grapefruit juice.
 
2012-02-22 08:59:27 AM
www.abc4.com

Cereal killer.
 
2012-02-22 09:03:24 AM

CapnBlues: RexTalionis: Teknowaffle: If you are over 16 there is no reason to drink milk. Grow up and eat real cheese.

Lactose tolerance is a freaky mutation, man. Anybody who drinks milk is a mutie freak.

/Lactose intolerant. Emphasis on intolerant.

did you know that there isn't much (if any) lactose in heavy whipping cream? so you can put it in your coffee without problems. (i do exactly this). i've heard that using heavy whipping cream makes the caffeine easier to absorb into your bloodstream, too, so you get a better high out of it. I don't know if this is true, though i use heavy cream because it tastes awesome.

also, grapefruit juice apparently blocks the metabolism of caffeine, prolonging the effects of it. i have no citations for these claims, but feel free to experiment on your own. personally, i'd rather be sleepy than have to taste grapefruit juice.


I put cream in my coffee and I have had no problems with this, although I chalked this up mostly to the fact that I put a small amount of cream in the coffee (no more than a half-jigger.
 
2012-02-22 09:11:45 AM

RexTalionis: CapnBlues: RexTalionis: Teknowaffle: If you are over 16 there is no reason to drink milk. Grow up and eat real cheese.

Lactose tolerance is a freaky mutation, man. Anybody who drinks milk is a mutie freak.

/Lactose intolerant. Emphasis on intolerant.

did you know that there isn't much (if any) lactose in heavy whipping cream? so you can put it in your coffee without problems. (i do exactly this). i've heard that using heavy whipping cream makes the caffeine easier to absorb into your bloodstream, too, so you get a better high out of it. I don't know if this is true, though i use heavy cream because it tastes awesome.

also, grapefruit juice apparently blocks the metabolism of caffeine, prolonging the effects of it. i have no citations for these claims, but feel free to experiment on your own. personally, i'd rather be sleepy than have to taste grapefruit juice.

I put cream in my coffee and I have had no problems with this, although I chalked this up mostly to the fact that I put a small amount of cream in the coffee (no more than a half-jigger.


cream? or half-and-half? half-and-half has some lactose, but you're right. There's probably not enough in there to really give you problems. still, you might feel even better if you went with heavy cream rather than half-and-half.
 
2012-02-22 09:12:54 AM

CapnBlues: RexTalionis: CapnBlues: RexTalionis: Teknowaffle: If you are over 16 there is no reason to drink milk. Grow up and eat real cheese.

Lactose tolerance is a freaky mutation, man. Anybody who drinks milk is a mutie freak.

/Lactose intolerant. Emphasis on intolerant.

did you know that there isn't much (if any) lactose in heavy whipping cream? so you can put it in your coffee without problems. (i do exactly this). i've heard that using heavy whipping cream makes the caffeine easier to absorb into your bloodstream, too, so you get a better high out of it. I don't know if this is true, though i use heavy cream because it tastes awesome.

also, grapefruit juice apparently blocks the metabolism of caffeine, prolonging the effects of it. i have no citations for these claims, but feel free to experiment on your own. personally, i'd rather be sleepy than have to taste grapefruit juice.

I put cream in my coffee and I have had no problems with this, although I chalked this up mostly to the fact that I put a small amount of cream in the coffee (no more than a half-jigger.

cream? or half-and-half? half-and-half has some lactose, but you're right. There's probably not enough in there to really give you problems. still, you might feel even better if you went with heavy cream rather than half-and-half.


A small enough quantity should be okay, it has never given me any problems, unlike, say, drinking a glass of milk.
 
2012-02-22 09:13:37 AM
www.mybadpad.com

My amazing new electric bra pasteurizes mothers milk in situ.

/Hot
 
2012-02-22 09:19:47 AM
When it comes to evaluating scientific studies to find out if something is a good idea, "health" food proponents are usually about as informed as vaccine deniers. The last time I heard someone defend raw milk they somehow tied "no one died of heart disease before 1900" into their argument.
 
2012-02-22 09:24:33 AM
So you're saying the problem will take care of itself?
 
2012-02-22 09:26:10 AM

EatHam: 150 * 0 = 0


you do know that the pastueurization process was invented for a reason


of course you don't, that would right an anti-government kook like yourself to learn something and we all know that education is just The Mans way of filing your head with lies, amiright?

Milk collected or stored in unsanitary conditions may harbor a host of disease-causing organisms (pathogens), such as tuberculosis (Mycobacterium bovis), the bacteria Campylobacter (Campylobacteriosis), Escherichia E. coli O157:H7), Listeria (Listeriosis), Salmonella (Salmonellosis), Yersinia (Yersinia enterocolitica), and Brucella (Brucellosis). Pasteurization consistently removes all of these pathogens, though they can be reintroduced if the product is handled carelessly. Thus dairy farms that pasteurize their milk can have unsanitary facilities without the attendent outbreaks of disease that would occur if a raw milk dairy kept its herds in similar unsanitary conditions.

Link (new window)

Campylobacter causes dysentery
Listeria can cause Meningitis and/or farking up featuses
Brucellosis was the first bacteria ever weaponized by the united states
the strain of E coli listed is enterohemorrhagic and often leads to kidney failure in children (and the old)
 
2012-02-22 09:27:01 AM

CapnBlues:
also, grapefruit juice apparently blocks the metabolism of caffeine, prolonging the effects of it. i have no citations for these claims, but feel free to experiment on your own. personally, i'd rather be sleepy than have to taste grapefruit juice.


I love grapefruit juice.

Maybe I'll experiment.
 
2012-02-22 09:29:43 AM

Teknowaffle: If you are over 16 there is no reason to drink milk. Grow up and eat real cheese.


Did you know that drinking a glass of milk with dinner will help one not eat as much and thus loose weight?

I am thinner when I drink more milk.

Also, cheese raises my blood pressure.
 
2012-02-22 09:38:36 AM

Teknowaffle: If you are over 16 there is no reason to drink milk. Grow up and eat real cheese.


ok flabby

A 2006 study found that for women desiring to have a child, those who consume full fat dairy products may slightly increase their fertility, while those consuming low-fat dairy products may slightly reduce their fertility.[63]

Numerous studies have found that conjugated linoleic acid, found mainly in milk, meat and dairy products, provides several health benefits including prevention of atherosclerosis, different types of cancer, and hypertension and improved immune function.[64][65][65]

There is recent evidence suggesting consumption of milk is effective at promoting muscle growth[66] and improving post exercise muscle recovery.[67]

In 2010, scientists at the Harvard School of Public Health identified a substance in dairy fat, trans-palmitoleic acid, that may substantially reduce the risk of type 2 diabetes. The researchers examined participants who have been followed for 20 years in an observational study to evaluate risk factors for cardiovascular diseases in older adults. During followup it was found that individuals with higher circulating levels of trans-palmitoleic acid had a much lower risk of developing diabetes, with about a 60% lower risk among participants in the highest quintile (fifth) of trans-palmitoleic acid levels.[68]

Link (new window)
 
2012-02-22 09:39:49 AM

Earpj: CapnBlues:
also, grapefruit juice apparently blocks the metabolism of caffeine, prolonging the effects of it. i have no citations for these claims, but feel free to experiment on your own. personally, i'd rather be sleepy than have to taste grapefruit juice.

I love grapefruit juice.

Maybe I'll experiment.


i can't make promises on that. it's just something my BIL told me. though he's one smart son of a gun.
 
2012-02-22 09:42:38 AM

CapnBlues:
Maybe I'll experiment.

i can't make promises on that. it's just something my BIL told me. though he's one smart son of a gun.


Eh. I don't have anything better to do.
 
2012-02-22 09:45:50 AM

Earpj: CapnBlues:
Maybe I'll experiment.

i can't make promises on that. it's just something my BIL told me. though he's one smart son of a gun.

Eh. I don't have anything better to do.


:) i like your attitude, friend.
 
2012-02-22 09:47:19 AM
My friends gives her young kids raw milk. They're also unvaccinated and they have multiple alleries.

A recipe for disaster, it makes me worry.
 
2012-02-22 09:56:58 AM

ytterbium: My friends gives her young kids raw milk. They're also unvaccinated and they have multiple alleries.

A recipe for disaster, it makes me worry.


How Darwinian. Personally, I'd encourage her.
 
2012-02-22 09:58:36 AM
Chances of pasteurized milk killing you: 0.0000000000001%
Chances of un-pasteurized milk killing you: 0.0000000000015%
 
2012-02-22 10:03:22 AM

RexTalionis: Teknowaffle: If you are over 16 there is no reason to drink milk. Grow up and eat real cheese.

Lactose tolerance is a freaky mutation, man. Anybody who drinks milk is a mutie freak.

/Lactose intolerant. Emphasis on intolerant.


Be that as it may, there is no way I'm giving up my chocomoo (Chocolate milk). - NO WAY -
 
2012-02-22 10:04:42 AM
A family member of mine has made the switch. This also meant going from 2% to whole milk. He wonders why he's gained 15 pounds lately, when his diet and exercise hasn't changed.
 
2012-02-22 10:05:23 AM

ytterbium: My friends gives her young kids raw milk. They're also unvaccinated and they have multiple alleries.

A recipe for disaster, it makes me worry.


That's terrifying.
Some people take things too far.
 
2012-02-22 10:09:04 AM

Kazan: EatHam: 150 * 0 = 0

you do know that the pastueurization process was invented for a reason


of course you don't, that would right an anti-government kook like yourself to learn something and we all know that education is just The Mans way of filing your head with lies, amiright?


My point is that without saying what the regular risk noted, 150 times that risk is completely meaningless.
 
2012-02-22 10:22:06 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: And regular milk's likelihood of killing you is?


For me? I'd say there's a good 40% chance of death if I started drinking milk regularly.

Last time I drank a liter of it, I literally shiat out the contents of my stomach within a half hour of consumption for the rest of the day. That's NOT healthy.
 
2012-02-22 10:22:44 AM

EatHam: Kazan: EatHam: 150 * 0 = 0

you do know that the pastueurization process was invented for a reason


of course you don't, that would right an anti-government kook like yourself to learn something and we all know that education is just The Mans way of filing your head with lies, amiright?

My point is that without saying what the regular risk noted, 150 times that risk is completely meaningless.



Actually it's 150 times more meaningless.
 
2012-02-22 10:30:38 AM
Here is the CDC (new window) on the subject.
 
2012-02-22 10:34:51 AM
Anyone who claims that raw milk is superior in any way to pasteurized has never had to drink the nasty stuff! I would almost rather drink milk from the bull.


/spend your entire life trying to move out of the sticks and these artisanal, holistic jackasses want to drag you right back.
 
2012-02-22 10:57:34 AM

CapnBlues: cream? or half-and-half? half-and-half has some lactose, but you're right. There's probably not enough in there to really give you problems. still, you might feel even better if you went with heavy cream rather than half-and-half.


So what does the non-dairy stuff do? Or at least I'm pretty sure it isn't dairy. It is delicious.
 
2012-02-22 12:02:12 PM
Well, hell, let's just give up all of our scientific progress? I think if people die from this, it's a Darwinian success story.
 
2012-02-22 12:21:50 PM

Earpj: Teknowaffle: If you are over 16 there is no reason to drink milk. Grow up and eat real cheese.

Did you know that drinking a glass of milk with dinner will help one not eat as much and thus loose weight?

I am thinner when I drink more milk.

Also, cheese raises my blood pressure.


Fark that, last year I drank a ton of milk to help me gain weight. 3 gallons of whole milk a week along with weight training and I put on 30lb in less than 4 months. Milk does fill you up, but not as much as solid food, so I could drink a couple of glasses with every meal for the extra calories.

I wouldn't go to that extreme again, but I still drink one or two glasses a day, usually before bed so I don't wake up hungry, or after a workout if I'm not going to be eating for a while.

If you happen to be one of the lactose-tolerant mutant freaks, there's no reason to pass it up.
 
2012-02-22 12:31:30 PM
I f*cking love milk. That is all.
 
2012-02-22 12:32:29 PM
I grew up on unpasteurized whole milk. It was delicious, like liquid bacon. We would put it in gallon pickle jars and let it set in the fridge for a day, then take the cream off the top.

I'm healthy as a horse!

/ Future triple bypass not included.
 
2012-02-22 12:34:14 PM
Asbury laments his failure to die tragically.
 
2012-02-22 12:35:11 PM

WorldCitizen: Well, hell, let's just give up all of our scientific progress?


If we do that, then what will go 'Boink!'?
 
2012-02-22 12:36:06 PM
where are they getting the 150 TIMES from?

FTA: the survey found 121 outbreaks linked to dairy products in which it was known whether the milk was pasteurized or unpasteurized (also called "raw"). Of those, 60% were caused by raw milk and 39% by pasteurized milk.

60/39 = 153%.

PERCENT != TIMES

The lead headline should read "Unpasteurized milk, touted as the ultimate health food by some, is 1.5 times more likely to cause food-borne illness outbreaks than pasteurized milk"
 
2012-02-22 12:37:03 PM

The Angry Hand of God: I f*cking love milk. That is all.


THIS!!!!
 
2012-02-22 12:37:12 PM
Drinking unpasterized milk is not the type of risk that I would want to take. However, eating these items raw, let me at them.

images.agoramedia.com

varietyhealthyfood.com
 
2012-02-22 12:38:11 PM
I tried it once. It didn't agree with me, but then again, I didn't grow up on a farm.
 
2012-02-22 12:38:29 PM

micah1701: where are they getting the 150 TIMES from?

FTA: the survey found 121 outbreaks linked to dairy products in which it was known whether the milk was pasteurized or unpasteurized (also called "raw"). Of those, 60% were caused by raw milk and 39% by pasteurized milk.

60/39 = 153%.

PERCENT != TIMES

The lead headline should read "Unpasteurized milk, touted as the ultimate health food by some, is 1.5 times more likely to cause food-borne illness outbreaks than pasteurized milk"


I believe that's an adjustment for the fact that "raw" milk only accounts for 1% of total consumption in the US.

//Not a stats guy...
 
2012-02-22 12:38:32 PM

ytterbium: My friends gives her young kids raw milk. They're also unvaccinated and they have multiple alleries.

A recipe for disaster, it makes me worry.


Why? Less brats for you to pay taxes to feed and educate.
 
2012-02-22 12:38:44 PM
Related CBS story: (new window)

"For the study, CDC researchers reviewed all dairy-related outbreaks in the U.S. between 1993 to 2006. They found 121 disease outbreaks caused by dairy, which led to 4,413 illnesses, 239 hospitalizations and three deaths. But the researchers found that 60 percent of the outbreaks were caused by raw milk products, which also include cheese and yogurt. Also, nearly all the hospitalizations (200 of 239) were in those sickened by raw milk. These dairy-related outbreaks occurred in 30 states, and 75 percent of the raw milk outbreaks occurred in the 21 states where it was legal to sell raw milk products at the time."

END QUOTE

So there were an average of 257 illness per year - 110 of which were allegedly caused by raw milk products.

Hell, that's fewer illnesses than your average Taco Bell.

images.cheezburger.com

Your Federal Tax Dollars at work.
 
2012-02-22 12:40:10 PM
What is so great about drinking unpasteurized milk? I like milk, I don't drink a LOT of it, but I like it.

What are the health benefits? Why is it supposedly such a health drink? I'm just curious.
 
2012-02-22 12:40:55 PM

Amos Quito: [www.mybadpad.com image 580x401]

My amazing new electric bra pasteurizes mothers milk in situ.

/Hot


Meh, it's been tried and booed.
 
2012-02-22 12:41:43 PM

Amos Quito: So there were an average of 257 illness per year - 110 155 of which were allegedly caused by raw milk products.



FTFM

/102 caused by pasteurized products
//Ban cows
 
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