You mean the Ayatollah, or are you just planning to take out the figurehead and not the actual leader of Iran?

I wasn't looking at his neck

This is almost verbatim what happened in Iraq several years ago. Let's start taking bets on when the first military action will start...

I'm going with 2-3 months tops.

In other words, there still is no evidence they're building nuclear weapons, but like Saddam's mythical WMD, disagreements about what inspectors are privileged to see will be used an excuse for war.

So how does this play out with the fundie Apocalypse time table -- keep it going to try to stop it? It'd be mormonic to see the Final Days postponed because it will make gas prices too high.

They better watch out or they'll get a strongly worded letter from the U.N.!

DarnoKonrad: In other words, there still is no evidence they're building nuclear weapons, but like Saddam's mythical WMD, disagreements about what inspectors are privileged to see will be used an excuse for war.

I dunno if I were in charge I'd have learned from that lesson.

You see Saddam isn't really around anymore to complain that he really didn't have any WMD.

/Just sayin

DarnoKonrad: In other words, there still is no evidence they're building nuclear weapons, but like Saddam's mythical WMD, disagreements about what inspectors are privileged to see will be used an excuse for war.

HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
this is what huffing paint does to you
/ass, how can one breathe with your head up it?
//and OJ was innocent

Lass glarking pot.

This is why we pulled out of Iraq. Give the troops a quick rest before we invade Iran.

DarnoKonrad: "In other words, there still is no evidence they're building nuclear weapons, but like Saddam's mythical WMD, disagreements about what inspectors are privileged to see will be used an excuse for war."

And no evidence *since the early 80s*, when hawks *started* scare-mongering about Iran being 2-3 years from a nuclear weapon.
This is a dangerous lie for the press to be pushing. And to do so this soon after getting exposed as idiots on the Iraq/WMD thing really puts the lie to their claims of having been misled.

It is an interesting twist though. IAEA had been allowed into Parchin iirc in 2006.

At least part of the site. Through discussions, they believed that it was the location where testing was taking place for the explosive trigger.

Who knows, but Iran probably should of let them take a walk around.

Otherwise, the UN can't really give them a clean bill of health.

DarnoKonrad: In other words, there still is no evidence they're building nuclear weapons, but like Saddam's mythical WMD, disagreements about what inspectors are privileged to see will be used an excuse for war.

/facepalm

I still don't agree with this whole brinksmanship game. If the whole world doesn't want them to have nuclear weapons, the solution is you slap them down when they start. Instead we play with them and know they're going to do whatever they want. When the first shovel broke ground on the first uranium mine was the time to slap them down, but nobody did that. When they first started enriching the uranium was a good time. This was a slow and gradual journey that had one destination in mind. Now they're a year or two or six months away from building a weapon and the fantasy that they're going to stop before they get there keeps being hoped for.

Or conversely, we could just shrug and say, "Meh, the bad guys have nukes." So do Pakistan, China, Russia, the Norks, etc. These aren't good guys either, but we aren't crapping our pants over it.

Joe Blowme
HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
this is what huffing paint does to you
/ass, how can one breathe with your head up it?
//and OJ was innocent

No actual argument. Just an assertion. You don't need evidence- you know it. With your gut.

DarnoKonrad: In other words, there still is no evidence they're building nuclear weapons, but like Saddam's mythical WMD, disagreements about what inspectors are privileged to see will be used an excuse for war.

It's funny that people have bought the lies that there were no chemical weapons in Iraq. shiat, there were even cases (such as this one (new window)) where they were used against US troops.

Koodz
they're a year or two or six months away from building a weapon

As they have been for about 15 years. My god, at this rate they'll have the bomb within a mere 14 years ago! You're right, the time to act is now, and definitely without thinking.

DarnoKonrad: In other words, there still is no evidence they're building nuclear weapons, but like Saddam's mythical WMD, disagreements about what inspectors are privileged to see will be used an excuse for war.

Except that the UN stipulations after the Gulf War said that the consequences of not allowing inspections could include war. There was no excuse, there was just a lack of political will to follow through on the stipulated consequences for a good long while. This is, essentially, a completely different situation. Plus, Saddam was puffing up and acting like he had something cooking as part of the show, which could be the same tack Iran is taking.

DarnoKonrad: In other words, there still is no evidence they're building nuclear weapons, but like Saddam's mythical WMD, disagreements about what inspectors are privileged to see will be used an excuse for war.

You know, I don't want to go to war with Iran either, but the fact is, it's not on the international community if Iran refuses to cooperate with fairly simple international mandates. All the UN is asking to do is look around inside some labs.

DarnoKonrad: In other words, there still is no evidence they're building nuclear weapons, but like Saddam's mythical WMD, disagreements about what inspectors are privileged to see will be used an excuse for war.

Well they won't tell us or show us, so clearly we should think of the worst possible thing that could be there and act like it is. That way even if we're wrong, we've saved everyone from a fictitious threat and isn't that enough?

I still have a big meh over all this...

TBH,..I'd rather let them have their toys,.....and then,..if they do anything worth attacking them over,..then fine.

So be it.

We went through all this with Paki and DPRK.....no war was started.

Like most problem places,.....it's the govt fault and policies,..not the people.
(where as Pakistan is opposite,...govt is kinda OK,...but the people hate us)

Sure they may make a town in Isreal dissappear,....then Iran will pay for it.

Till then,....talk,...talk is cheaper than body counts.

meanmutton
It's funny that people have bought the lies that there were no chemical weapons in Iraq. shiat, there were even cases (such as this one (new window)) where they were used against US troops.

Meanwhile, in reality

(when a news story says "x thought to y," it means they're making shiat up)

I am calling bullshiat on Iran having nukes. This is all a smoke screen to cover up their domestic problems.

I've seen this movie before. It sucked and was 10 years long.

Foreground My Ass: I still have a big meh over all this...

TBH,..I'd rather let them have their toys,.....and then,..if they do anything worth attacking them over,..then fine.

So be it.

We went through all this with Paki and DPRK.....no war was started.

Like most problem places,.....it's the govt fault and policies,..not the people.
(where as Pakistan is opposite,...govt is kinda OK,...but the people hate us)

Sure they may make a town in Isreal dissappear,....then Iran will pay for it.

Till then,....talk,...talk is cheaper than body counts.

I'd rather not have a town in Israel vaporized. That would start a nuclear war.

RanDomino: Koodz
they're a year or two or six months away from building a weapon

As they have been for about 15 years. My god, at this rate they'll have the bomb within a mere 14 years ago! You're right, the time to act is now, and definitely without thinking.

If only I hadn't kept writing past what you quoted...

Welcome to Fark, right?

Foreground My Ass: Like most problem places,.....it's the govt fault and policies,..not the people.
(where as Pakistan is opposite,...govt is kinda OK on our payroll,...but the people hate us).

FTFY

Marine1
You know, I don't want to go to war with Iran either, but the fact is, it's not on the international community if Iran refuses to cooperate with fairly simple international mandates. All the UN is asking to do is look around inside some labs.

Yeah, it's not like weapons inspectors have been cover for spies or saboteurs before.

RanDomino: Marine1
You know, I don't want to go to war with Iran either, but the fact is, it's not on the international community if Iran refuses to cooperate with fairly simple international mandates. All the UN is asking to do is look around inside some labs.

Yeah, it's not like weapons inspectors have been cover for spies or saboteurs before.

Spies for what? I doubt that the Iranians have some breakthrough weapon-building technology that the West wants.

We've let Russian weapons inspectors take a look at our stuff before. Why shouldn't Iran allow UN inspectors in?

Koodz
If only I hadn't kept writing past what you quoted...

What I didn't quote doesn't change the fact that you think Iran is "a year or two or six months" from having a nuke. As they supposedly have been for years.

Joe Blowme: DarnoKonrad: In other words, there still is no evidence they're building nuclear weapons, but like Saddam's mythical WMD, disagreements about what inspectors are privileged to see will be used an excuse for war.

HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
this is what huffing paint does to you
/ass, how can one breathe with your head up it?
//and OJ was innocent


Let me guess: Gato Negro escaped from the nether regions to troll Fark until yet another champion arises to slay the odious troll?

The US can't go after Iran militarily because we will be perceived as the bully of Islam. Instead we'll send in our little "crazy" brother (aka Israel) and they will go KABOOM!!!

any future WAR™ in Iran had better not include a US contingent. Let the regional players deal with the situation. Time to give Team America: World Police a rest.

Gabrielmot: This is almost verbatim what happened in Iraq several years ago. Let's start taking bets on when the first military action will start...

I'm going with 2-3 months tops.

I would like to cast my vote for the good 'ol October Surprise.

/Kinda like a dirty sanchez but costs more and takes longer.

RanDomino: Joe Blowme
HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
this is what huffing paint does to you
/ass, how can one breathe with your head up it?
//and OJ was innocent

No actual argument. Just an assertion. You don't need evidence- you know it. With your gut.

Or we can send in someone like Hans Blix to try to gain access for inspections a thousand times year after year only to be denied access giving Iran time to move any weapons. Send in Team America.

/Fark yea

FeFiFoFark: any future WAR™ in Iran had better not include a US contingent. Let the regional players deal with the situation. Time to give Team America: World Police a rest.

I think this war would be quite different. A sizable plurality of the Iranian public has problems with the current government there, and more moderate leaders with public backing (like Mir-Hossein Mousavi) exist. A post-war situation would be more likely to have stable government than Iraq did. Now, getting there would be a biatch, and I don't want to see it happen, but Iraq was in a different world environment.

Thisbymaster: I am calling bullshiat on Iran having nukes. This is all a smoke screen to cover up their domestic problems.

Amen. Nothing quiets the opposition like "Why do you hate Iran? The whole world's against our poor little country, so you better rally around the regime!"

callmebob: The US can't go after Iran militarily because we will be perceived as the bully of Islam. Instead we'll send in our little "crazy" brother (aka Israel) and they will go KABOOM!!!


Don't count on it. The fabled IDF is apparently just a little overrated.

Hezbollah gave them quite a thumping. So much so that the Israelis had to resort to dropping cluster bombs (read that as effectively being mines) in their retreat out of sheer spite.

Sure the Israeli air force could do a lot of damage, but Israel is in absolutely no position to win a war with Iran, short of using their nuclear warheads in a terror campaign (or simply killing everyone outright).

So Iran may or may not get nukes a few years from now. SFW. It's just about bragging rights. Iran isn't going to make any first strikes (not with nukes, anyway). Too many muslims in Israel, not to mention around Israel.

Marine1
Spies for what? I doubt that the Iranians have some breakthrough weapon-building technology that the West wants.

An inventory of equipment, facilities, personnel, defenses, maybe? Seems useful.

We've let Russian weapons inspectors take a look at our stuff before. Why shouldn't Iran allow UN inspectors in?

Why should Iran allow IAEA inspectors into a weapons development facility when Iran maintains that there is no military nuclear program?

However, Iran is a Russian client state, and they're not going to stand by while somebody bombs their shiat.

Marine1: RanDomino: Marine1
You know, I don't want to go to war with Iran either, but the fact is, it's not on the international community if Iran refuses to cooperate with fairly simple international mandates. All the UN is asking to do is look around inside some labs.

Yeah, it's not like weapons inspectors have been cover for spies or saboteurs before.

Spies for what? I doubt that the Iranians have some breakthrough weapon-building technology that the West wants.

We've let Russian weapons inspectors take a look at our stuff before. Why shouldn't Iran allow UN inspectors in?

Marine1: RanDomino: Marine1
You know, I don't want to go to war with Iran either, but the fact is, it's not on the international community if Iran refuses to cooperate with fairly simple international mandates. All the UN is asking to do is look around inside some labs.

Yeah, it's not like weapons inspectors have been cover for spies or saboteurs before.

Spies for what? I doubt that the Iranians have some breakthrough weapon-building technology that the West wants.

We've let Russian weapons inspectors take a look at our stuff before. Why shouldn't Iran allow UN inspectors in?

Maybe because they are a sovereign country and have every right to refuse anyone on their soil.

frak21: callmebob: The US can't go after Iran militarily because we will be perceived as the bully of Islam. Instead we'll send in our little "crazy" brother (aka Israel) and they will go KABOOM!!!


Don't count on it. The fabled IDF is apparently just a little overrated.

Hezbollah gave them quite a thumping. So much so that the Israelis had to resort to dropping cluster bombs (read that as effectively being mines) in their retreat out of sheer spite.

Sure the Israeli air force could do a lot of damage, but Israel is in absolutely no position to win a war with Iran, short of using their nuclear warheads in a terror campaign (or simply killing everyone outright).

Fighting a dispersed, quickly-disappearing militia firing blind upon Israeli cities from a bunch of hills around Lebanon != fighting organized military forces around nuclear installations and mass offensives. Israel has an undefeated record in those situations.

Dixie_Wrecked
giving Iran time to move any weapons.

CLAP HARDER, WENDY!!

Paintbox
Maybe because they are a sovereign country and have every right to refuse anyone on their soil.

Woah woah woah, everyone knows only the US is a sovereign country, comrade.

frak21: Sure the Israeli air force could do a lot of damage, but Israel is in absolutely no position to win a war with Iran, short of using their nuclear warheads in a terror campaign (or simply killing everyone outright).

Well, I'd say they're in a perfectly good situation to win an all out war(and I don't think they'd have any qualms about doing it if it came to war). There are only a small handful of militaries that are capable of winning today's politically correct wars, and even then it's still a losing proposition.