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2012-02-21 08:21:44 PM  
Plus, they're missing out. Fried gluten is great in Chinese food.
 
2012-02-21 08:32:44 PM  
It was lovely traveling with my glutenphobic boss. Nothing embarrassing about a grown woman harrassing waitstaff and holding up a business dinner because they don't know if ceasar dressing has gluten in it.

She's not allergic. I have honest to god allergic friends. They tend to research stuff like that first.

F*ck.
 
2012-02-21 08:35:27 PM  
The ones who are genuinely allergic find wheat allergies to be a pain in the neck. I have a friend who can't eat wheat and never once has he tried the 'fainting flower' I'm-so-delicate-and-special routine when we go to lunch.
 
2012-02-21 08:50:58 PM  
I ate glue once back in the 1st or 2nd grade. It was on a dare, and I don't remember what I got out of the whole ordeal, but I'm sure it was worth it. At the very least, I gained some serious street cred.
 
2012-02-21 09:01:44 PM  
This is why I keep all my food choices a secret. I whisper them to the waitress after creating a diversion.
 
2012-02-21 09:02:25 PM  
That's pretty crappy.
 
2012-02-21 09:03:33 PM  
Most of the folks I've met who are "weaning from gluten" certainly do think they're a precious butterfly. Then again, most people go on diet fads and think they've suddenly been shown the light. It doesn't last long, anyhow. I can eat the good stuff if I avoid it most of the time. And of course, the worse it is for you, the better it treats me. In other words, for me, a slice of white bread is far better the next day than a big hunk of gluten-added, extra-whole-wheat, nature's bountiful love bread.

My family has been gluten sensitive in one way or another for 3 generations that I know of (I'm a freakin' celiac, tested multiple ways), and I still love me some fresh baked brown bread. Or grilled cheese... dammit, now I want grilled cheese.

/My ass hates me
 
2012-02-21 09:06:13 PM  
Meh. I'm gluten free only because 95% of the gluten presented as a food option is in the form of nutrition-free flour. Once I began eating that little of it, ingesting it made me feel like hell.

White flour, the white devil's mistake.

/beer doesn't count.
 
2012-02-21 09:09:00 PM  
Hook worms. We all need hook worms.
 
2012-02-21 09:09:49 PM  
Is moonshine gluten ? Cause I really want to know. I have to eat ( drink ) something.
 
2012-02-21 09:11:08 PM  
Explosive diarrhea is pretty average.
 
2012-02-21 09:13:43 PM  
"Nocebo" is now entering my lexicon to throw around at dinner parties.

Along with delicious wheat-laden rolls.
 
2012-02-21 09:13:59 PM  

StupidFly:
White flour, the white devil's mistake milkshake.

/beer doesn't count.


brings all the boys to the tard
 
2012-02-21 09:18:05 PM  

mudpants: Is moonshine gluten ? Cause I really want to know. I have to eat ( drink ) something.


Ideally no. Moonshine should be made of corn and there's not gluten in corn. Get all ripped on the corn mash, no worries man!
 
2012-02-21 09:19:58 PM  

StupidFly: Once I began eating that little of it, ingesting it made me feel like hell.


There's this cool thing I totally new about before reading the article called the nocebo effect. You should look it up.
 
2012-02-21 09:20:55 PM  
I know a man who was just recently diagnosed with Celiac. He had a biopsy, blood tests, everything. He'd been out of work in excruciating pain for weeks before he finally got the correct diagnosis.
 
2012-02-21 09:21:57 PM  
The researchers give examples of patients who strictly abstained from gluten, and believed their gluten-free diets helped reduce their symptoms. However, very few of them had ever undergone a proper diagnosis procedure.

So if one has a family member that has it and has personally eaten flour and seen the results, what are the advantanges of getting it stamped as official by a doctor?

A tube jammed up one's ass and an official 'pre-existing medical condition'.

If one can control the food they eat would the doctors please explain the advantages again?
 
2012-02-21 09:23:57 PM  
the only reason to avoid gluten is if your are celiac or allergic. being gluten-free just for the hell of it doesn't really have many health benefits. people are stupid.
 
2012-02-21 09:25:26 PM  

Enemabag Jones: The researchers give examples of patients who strictly abstained from gluten, and believed their gluten-free diets helped reduce their symptoms. However, very few of them had ever undergone a proper diagnosis procedure.

So if one has a family member that has it and has personally eaten flour and seen the results, what are the advantanges of getting it stamped as official by a doctor?

A tube jammed up one's ass and an official 'pre-existing medical condition'.

If one can control the food they eat would the doctors please explain the advantages again?


It's a simple blood test today.

/welcome to the 21st century
 
2012-02-21 09:27:24 PM  

rohar: mudpants: Is moonshine gluten ? Cause I really want to know. I have to eat ( drink ) something.

Ideally no. Moonshine should be made of corn and there's not gluten in corn. Get all ripped on the corn mash, no worries man!


The volitility of gluten is too low to go through a still. Unless the slobber box is somehow letting mash into the final product distilled spirits are ok. Not sure about fake carmel colouring though.
 
2012-02-21 09:30:30 PM  
rohar,It's a simple blood test today.
/welcome to the 21st century


Blood tests are not 100% conclusive. Sometime they require a specific serving of bread for a few days and then a snip of the intestinal lining from some specially mounted scope appartus I don't want to know about..

Yes I know this. The 21st century is overhyped.
 
2012-02-21 09:34:03 PM  

rohar: Enemabag Jones: The researchers give examples of patients who strictly abstained from gluten, and believed their gluten-free diets helped reduce their symptoms. However, very few of them had ever undergone a proper diagnosis procedure.

So if one has a family member that has it and has personally eaten flour and seen the results, what are the advantanges of getting it stamped as official by a doctor?

A tube jammed up one's ass and an official 'pre-existing medical condition'.

If one can control the food they eat would the doctors please explain the advantages again?

It's a simple blood test today.

/welcome to the 21st century


You ain't gonna convince a hypochondriac that their psychosomatic illness is bullshiat.
 
2012-02-21 09:35:20 PM  

Enemabag Jones: rohar,It's a simple blood test today.
/welcome to the 21st century

Blood tests are not 100% conclusive. Sometime they require a specific serving of bread for a few days and then a snip of the intestinal lining from some specially mounted scope appartus I don't want to know about..

Yes I know this. The 21st century is overhyped.


I've done both. Turns out the biopsy wasn't much worse than giving blood. Blood test was positive, biopsy was negative. End of the day, no big deal.

/found a bacterial cause of the condition
//MOAR PIZZA!
 
2012-02-21 09:38:39 PM  

Jack Kerouac: Most of the folks I've met who are "weaning from gluten" certainly do think they're a precious butterfly. Then again, most people go on diet fads and think they've suddenly been shown the light. It doesn't last long, anyhow. I can eat the good stuff if I avoid it most of the time. And of course, the worse it is for you, the better it treats me. In other words, for me, a slice of white bread is far better the next day than a big hunk of gluten-added, extra-whole-wheat, nature's bountiful love bread.

My family has been gluten sensitive in one way or another for 3 generations that I know of (I'm a freakin' celiac, tested multiple ways), and I still love me some fresh baked brown bread. Or grilled cheese... dammit, now I want grilled cheese.

/My ass hates me


I now understand The Dharma Bums.

/Thank you, zombie farker.
 
2012-02-21 09:38:50 PM  

Mark Ratner: I ate glue once back in the 1st or 2nd grade. It was on a dare, and I don't remember what I got out of the whole ordeal, but I'm sure it was worth it. At the very least, I gained some serious street cred.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-02-21 09:42:07 PM  
Oh, goodie. Another threat where people with no clue hate on those of us with a proven medical problem.
 
2012-02-21 09:43:30 PM  

StupidFly: Meh. I'm gluten free only because 95% of the gluten presented as a food option is in the form of nutrition-free flour. Once I began eating that little of it, ingesting it made me feel like hell.

White flour, the white devil's mistake.

/beer doesn't count.


You realize of course that the headline is about you.
 
2012-02-21 09:52:17 PM  
rohar ,Enemabag Jones: rohar,It's a simple blood test today.
/welcome to the 21st century
Blood tests are not 100% conclusive. Sometime they require a specific serving of bread for a few days and then a snip of the intestinal lining from some specially mounted scope appartus I don't want to know about..
Yes I know this. The 21st century is overhyped.
I've done both. Turns out the biopsy wasn't much worse than giving blood. Blood test was positive, biopsy was negative. End of the day, no big deal.
/found a bacterial cause of the condition
//MOAR PIZZA!


You give hope.

/Now if I could only get rid of my green sickness, black scurvy and scrofula.
//I might have french distemper, cholera and the croup.
 
2012-02-21 09:55:05 PM  

Chariset: The ones who are genuinely allergic find wheat allergies to be a pain in the neck. I have a friend who can't eat wheat and never once has he tried the 'fainting flower' I'm-so-delicate-and-special routine when we go to lunch.


True.
Also, no one really gives a sh*t about your dietary restrictions. Do your research and order accordingly.

/celiac
 
2012-02-21 09:58:42 PM  

Enemabag Jones: rohar ,Enemabag Jones: rohar,It's a simple blood test today.
/welcome to the 21st century
Blood tests are not 100% conclusive. Sometime they require a specific serving of bread for a few days and then a snip of the intestinal lining from some specially mounted scope appartus I don't want to know about..
Yes I know this. The 21st century is overhyped.
I've done both. Turns out the biopsy wasn't much worse than giving blood. Blood test was positive, biopsy was negative. End of the day, no big deal.
/found a bacterial cause of the condition
//MOAR PIZZA!

You give hope.

/Now if I could only get rid of my green sickness, black scurvy and scrofula.
//I might have french distemper, cholera and the croup.


Sounds like you need to be touched by a long-haired king...
 
2012-02-21 09:58:56 PM  
my brother's ass has a serious argument against this article. he doesn't have celiac's disease, but when he eats gluten he can't be more then 3 minutes away from a toilet.
 
2012-02-21 10:02:41 PM  

Khazar-Khum: I know a man who was just recently diagnosed with Celiac. He had a biopsy, blood tests, everything. He'd been out of work in excruciating pain for weeks before he finally got the correct diagnosis.


I have a friend who went undiagnosed for about a year. She'd spend hours vomiting, lost loads of weight, had a hard time getting out of bed many mornings. This was a few years ago, before Celiac was a standard thing to test for. It was hell on her for a long time and there are maybe only 3-4 people in the world I'd wish it on.
 
Juc
2012-02-21 10:05:46 PM  

RexTalionis: Plus, they're missing out. Fried gluten is great in Chinese food.


I know. :(

I need someone to invent a pill I can take that will make my body handle gluten for a while.
I miss me some pizza, chinese food, beer, and wings.

stupid actual celiac disease.
 
2012-02-21 10:05:54 PM  
Even if you don't really have any biological problems with gluten, avoiding high density carbohydrates isn't a bad idea. Except for treats, which should be restricted to a few times a month.

Hence I avoid pizza, hamburgers, donuts, etc for good reason. But nothing to do with gluten.

/I also avoid potatoes and rice
//Unless it's at really good rice
 
2012-02-21 10:17:33 PM  
Here's what I don't understand. If you are a Caucasian, your ancestors have likely gotten most of their calories from wheat for thousands of years. As late as the 20th century in America it was not uncommon for the lowest classes to have nothing other than bread to eat. While this was probably not the healthiest diet, they weren't dying from it (until they stated using refined white flour, anyway). How is it possible that now all of a sudden every other white person can't eat gluten?
 
2012-02-21 10:17:45 PM  
I had horrible IBS. Then I went on Atkins and stopped pooping blood. Then I went on Atkins and started pooping blood again. Too bad it was years before I figured it out.

Back on Atkins.

It's either Gluten or Fodmaps. Either way, wheat is out.
 
2012-02-21 10:19:51 PM  

INeedAName: Khazar-Khum: I know a man who was just recently diagnosed with Celiac. He had a biopsy, blood tests, everything. He'd been out of work in excruciating pain for weeks before he finally got the correct diagnosis.

I have a friend who went undiagnosed for about a year


Is this the new "I have a black friend" thing? If it is, I ain't buying it.
 
2012-02-21 10:21:12 PM  

Likwit: the nocebo effect


Painfully accurate; digestive pessimist.


tankjr: You realize of course that the headline is about you.


An awareness of what is nutritionally sound is responsible. Eliminating gluten which controls your unacknowledged diabetes through a decrease in insulin from the resulting carbohydrate restrictions is 2010-2012's version of Atkins.
 
2012-02-21 10:21:20 PM  

bart2puck: my brother's ass has a serious argument against this article. he doesn't have celiac's disease, but when he eats gluten he can't be more then 3 minutes away from a toilet.


What's your heritage?
 
2012-02-21 10:24:19 PM  

StupidFly: Likwit: the nocebo effect

Painfully accurate; digestive pessimist.


tankjr: You realize of course that the headline is about you.

An awareness of what is nutritionally sound is responsible. Eliminating gluten which controls your unacknowledged diabetes through a decrease in insulin from the resulting carbohydrate restrictions is 2010-2012's version of Atkins.


Evolutionarily, white flour is one of the worst things you can eat. The body has had no analog for it. You'll get no argument from me there.
 
2012-02-21 10:24:42 PM  

revrendjim: Here's what I don't understand. If you are a Caucasian, your ancestors have likely gotten most of their calories from wheat for thousands of years. As late as the 20th century in America it was not uncommon for the lowest classes to have nothing other than bread to eat. While this was probably not the healthiest diet, they weren't dying from it (until they stated using refined white flour, anyway). How is it possible that now all of a sudden every other white person can't eat gluten?


Let me help this idea a bit.

YOU CAN'T GROW WHEAT IN PERMAFROST!

So there's this genetic allergy for those of us from Scandinavia. Many of us don't have it and it's a recessive gene. If you have no Scandinavian heritage, you don't have it. If you do have Scandinavian heritage, you most likely don't have it.

/There are no Italians with Celiac
//If you do have it, it's the shiats
 
2012-02-21 10:24:47 PM  

revrendjim: Here's what I don't understand. If you are a Caucasian, your ancestors have likely gotten most of their calories from wheat for thousands of years. As late as the 20th century in America it was not uncommon for the lowest classes to have nothing other than bread to eat. While this was probably not the healthiest diet, they weren't dying from it (until they stated using refined white flour, anyway). How is it possible that now all of a sudden every other white person can't eat gluten?


From what I've read, we've been selectively breading wheat for more gluten content. We may have hit a level that is triggering issues.
 
2012-02-21 10:25:11 PM  
revrendjim,Here's what I don't understand. If you are a Caucasian, your ancestors have likely gotten most of their calories from wheat for thousands of years. As late as the 20th century in America it was not uncommon for the lowest classes to have nothing other than bread to eat. While this was probably not the healthiest diet, they weren't dying from it (until they stated using refined white flour, anyway). How is it possible that now all of a sudden every other white person can't eat gluten?

Half of all anglo people recently made a deal with the devil that if they can drink milk they can't have gluten.
/I made that up.
 
2012-02-21 10:27:03 PM  

revrendjim: Here's what I don't understand. If you are a Caucasian, your ancestors have likely gotten most of their calories from wheat for thousands of years. As late as the 20th century in America it was not uncommon for the lowest classes to have nothing other than bread to eat. While this was probably not the healthiest diet, they weren't dying from it (until they stated using refined white flour, anyway). How is it possible that now all of a sudden every other white person can't eat gluten?


It's not "all of a sudden" - even the Greeks knew about it. The change is that we've gone from a cultural shift of "all we got is bread, so suck it up pussy" to "gee, maybe your crippling pain and explosive diarrhea are actually problems".

My dad, for example, had symptoms of Celiac's for longer than I've been alive. It wasn't until recently though that he was formally diagnosed.
 
2012-02-21 10:29:46 PM  

revrendjim: Here's what I don't understand. If you are a Caucasian, your ancestors have likely gotten most of their calories from wheat for thousands of years. As late as the 20th century in America it was not uncommon for the lowest classes to have nothing other than bread to eat. While this was probably not the healthiest diet, they weren't dying from it (until they stated using refined white flour, anyway). How is it possible that now all of a sudden every other white person can't eat gluten?


Thank you for asking! For the past thousand(s?) years, people grew natural wheat and ate it minimally processed.

Thanks to giant agricultural corporations like Monsanto, all wheat farmed by large, commercial farms is genetically modified. While it has a higher yield than natural strains of wheat, it does all kinds of weird things to the nutrition. Namely, the dwarf wheat that is most commonly grown in this country has over twice the amount of gluten as the stuff your granddad ate growing up.

When you also consider how highly processed foods are these days, wheat (the high gluten kind) ends up in just about everything we consume. People who might have had low tolerances to gluten in the past wouldn't encounter it at every meal, and if they did it was in lower doses, so it might not have been a big issue. Today, if you have low tolerance for the stuff, it's a bigger deal because gluten is in just about everything, in high amounts.
 
2012-02-21 10:31:43 PM  

Heist: revrendjim: Here's what I don't understand. If you are a Caucasian, your ancestors have likely gotten most of their calories from wheat for thousands of years. As late as the 20th century in America it was not uncommon for the lowest classes to have nothing other than bread to eat. While this was probably not the healthiest diet, they weren't dying from it (until they stated using refined white flour, anyway). How is it possible that now all of a sudden every other white person can't eat gluten?

Thank you for asking! For the past thousand(s?) years, people grew natural wheat and ate it minimally processed.

Thanks to giant agricultural corporations like Monsanto, all wheat farmed by large, commercial farms is genetically modified. While it has a higher yield than natural strains of wheat, it does all kinds of weird things to the nutrition. Namely, the dwarf wheat that is most commonly grown in this country has over twice the amount of gluten as the stuff your granddad ate growing up.

When you also consider how highly processed foods are these days, wheat (the high gluten kind) ends up in just about everything we consume. People who might have had low tolerances to gluten in the past wouldn't encounter it at every meal, and if they did it was in lower doses, so it might not have been a big issue. Today, if you have low tolerance for the stuff, it's a bigger deal because gluten is in just about everything, in high amounts.


You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?
 
2012-02-21 10:32:15 PM  
Enemabag Jones :
Half of all anglo people recently made a deal with the devil that if they can drink milk they can't have gluten.
/I made that up.


From what I've read, if your northern European milk is OK, but wheat is bad. Vice-versa if your southern European.

Then again, it could be the crap of a celiac.
 
2012-02-21 10:33:51 PM  

rohar: Heist: revrendjim: Here's what I don't understand. If you are a Caucasian, your ancestors have likely gotten most of their calories from wheat for thousands of years. As late as the 20th century in America it was not uncommon for the lowest classes to have nothing other than bread to eat. While this was probably not the healthiest diet, they weren't dying from it (until they stated using refined white flour, anyway). How is it possible that now all of a sudden every other white person can't eat gluten?

Thank you for asking! For the past thousand(s?) years, people grew natural wheat and ate it minimally processed.

Thanks to giant agricultural corporations like Monsanto, all wheat farmed by large, commercial farms is genetically modified. While it has a higher yield than natural strains of wheat, it does all kinds of weird things to the nutrition. Namely, the dwarf wheat that is most commonly grown in this country has over twice the amount of gluten as the stuff your granddad ate growing up.

When you also consider how highly processed foods are these days, wheat (the high gluten kind) ends up in just about everything we consume. People who might have had low tolerances to gluten in the past wouldn't encounter it at every meal, and if they did it was in lower doses, so it might not have been a big issue. Today, if you have low tolerance for the stuff, it's a bigger deal because gluten is in just about everything, in high amounts.

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?


Oh do tell...
 
2012-02-21 10:34:03 PM  

revrendjim: How is it possible that now all of a sudden every other white person can't eat gluten?


I'm willing to wager that it is an array of different issues. The catch is: most of these issues can be addressed by the common person removing gluten.

This could be insulin problems, nutritional deficiencies, or actual gluten intolerance. The rest are just holier than thou pricks who don't know the details.
 
2012-02-21 10:38:58 PM  
So much biatching about people removing wheat or it's byproducts from the diet. I've never heard angst against people who remove tomatoes or onions because of heart burn. They get a free pass. Or lactose intolerance.

//I knew someone who found that if she avoided wheat, she could eat tomatoes without heart burn. Still no pizza for her.
 
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