When they say, "most staph found in meat can be eliminated by cooking food well", does that mean you can cook it thoroughly and still be at risk? Coz if so that ain't fair.

No, but it's how Queen ended.

/rimshot/

This is obviously a bio terror attack by the Muslims.

My chops and bacon come from these



Not these ...

Kuroshin: People eat pork that hasn't been salt-cured?

Why?

/nothing survives salt


ORLY?

Funny thing is that we are sterilizing the Earth of beneficial microbes.

Antibiotics are leaching into ecosphere from these farms & factories (India is creating superbugs around their pharma plants from antibiotics runoff)

At least my job is safe (microbiologist/chemist)

Clemkadidlefark: My chops and bacon come from these

[www.suwanneeriverranch.com image 352x232]

Not these ...

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Are there enough out there for the rest of us? No? Oh, then kindly DIAF.

rocinante721: Funny thing is that we are sterilizing the Earth of beneficial microbes.

Antibiotics are leaching into ecosphere from these farms & factories (India is creating superbugs around their pharma plants from antibiotics runoff)

At least my job is safe (microbiologist/chemist)

I don't think we'll sterilize the place. If the "bad" bacteria came become resistant, so can the "good". It won't be much longer before we're back to the days where we were helpless against bacteria because it's resistant to everything we can throw at it.

It's probably the next state of evolution; a form of life resistant to nearly everything that can harm it.

You can't mass produce meat in factory conditions and expect nature to be happy with that for too long.

From TFA: "Most informed scientists and public health professionals acknowledge that the problem of antibiotic resistance in humans is overwhelmingly an issue related to human antibiotic use," the American Meat Institute says"

Yeah, because a peer-reviewed article in mBio, authored by a cross-disciplinary group of over 30 well-respected scientists, doctors, and academics from around the world is clearly not credible when compared to a press release from the American Meat Institute.

Someone tell me again why we have to give equal airtime to the opposing viewpoint, no matter how biased and unsubstantiated it is?

A few months ago I saw someone is using a grass native to India that can metabolize the two most common antibiotics used in cattle operations. I wonder if it might help a bit.

The main problem is the way we keep them dosed of course, but less antibiotics flowing out might not hurt things, you know?

rocinante721: Funny thing is that we are sterilizing the Earth of beneficial microbes.

Antibiotics are leaching into ecosphere from these farms & factories (India is creating superbugs around their pharma plants from antibiotics runoff)

At least my job is safe (microbiologist/chemist)

Since you're a microbiologist, I'd like to ask you a question. Serious question, no troll. I have a small farm, raise most of my own food. Farrow to finish hogs, out on pasture weather permitting. Lambs the same, also chickens. Occasionally I'll buy a feeder calf and finish it out for beef - again, naturally raised, mostly grass. Not organic but pretty close. Key is that I never use antibiotics unless it is necessary to treat a specific illness in an individual. The question is this: does this make me safe from these super bugs or is it just going to give me a longer grace period but in the end they'll get my operation also?

Clemkadidlefark: My chops and bacon come from these

[www.suwanneeriverranch.com image 352x232]

Not these ...

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 408x224]

I only wish that more people would see the benefit in this statement.

Kuroshin: People eat pork that hasn't been salt-cured?

Why?

/nothing survives salt

Actually, Staph likes salt. Salt cured meat is a little too salty for it though.

/Then there's the halophiles

Litig8r: Someone tell me again why we have to give equal airtime to the opposing viewpoint, no matter how biased and unsubstantiated it is?

Great clip from comedian Dara O'Briain (new window) about that...

I thought "Contagion" was an under-appreciated movie. But then, it's action quotient was pretty low, so that's understandable.

shiat and I just decided to give up my vegetarian diet for a while.

I guess it's a bad time to start my omnivore diet again.

Meh, if it saves me from having to watch all the campaign ad's that are coming up in this election cycle, I'm ok with a superbug killing me.

Look ... can we keep this planet together for just another say 40 years? By then I will have had a good run and the super-bugs can have me.

Mr. Right: rocinante721: Funny thing is that we are sterilizing the Earth of beneficial microbes.

Antibiotics are leaching into ecosphere from these farms & factories (India is creating superbugs around their pharma plants from antibiotics runoff)

At least my job is safe (microbiologist/chemist)

Since you're a microbiologist, I'd like to ask you a question. Serious question, no troll. I have a small farm, raise most of my own food. Farrow to finish hogs, out on pasture weather permitting. Lambs the same, also chickens. Occasionally I'll buy a feeder calf and finish it out for beef - again, naturally raised, mostly grass. Not organic but pretty close. Key is that I never use antibiotics unless it is necessary to treat a specific illness in an individual. The question is this: does this make me safe from these super bugs or is it just going to give me a longer grace period but in the end they'll get my operation also?

We're all farked. The point is slowly, but surely, we are sterilizing all the susceptible bacteria, which creates a vacuum that the resistant bacteria can grow & thrive. Roughly 1/2 infections in hospitals these days are MRSA/VRSA related, which has grown exponentially since the 80s or so, but I'm sure your pigs are fine.

They did a recent study of pig feces (yahoo!) in pigs fed antibx & found they could clone the DNA for multiple antibiotic resistance, including antibx that they were not exposed to, showing a co-selection advantage.

Clemkadidlefark: My chops and bacon come from these

[www.suwanneeriverranch.com image 352x232]

Not these ...

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 408x224]

"The more beautiful and pure a thing is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt it."

One Bad Apple: Bats and pigs and Chinese chefs that don't wash their hands and Gweneth Paltrow is a cheating whore. That's how the movie starts.

And ends...


/was an odd but decent film

That Contagion movie ended weakly. The reality was, once you got through the epidimic and a cure, what the hell could the writer write about for a two hour movie?

It also probably didn't help that I saw that movie with friends and all we did was lambbast the movie the whole time.

BurnShrike: rocinante721: Funny thing is that we are sterilizing the Earth of beneficial microbes.

Antibiotics are leaching into ecosphere from these farms & factories (India is creating superbugs around their pharma plants from antibiotics runoff)

At least my job is safe (microbiologist/chemist)

I don't think we'll sterilize the place. If the "bad" bacteria came become resistant, so can the "good". It won't be much longer before we're back to the days where we were helpless against bacteria because it's resistant to everything we can throw at it.

It's probably the next state of evolution; a form of life resistant to nearly everything that can harm it.

I make the emphatic point that adaptation != evolution. The spread of antibx resistance isn't evolution (that has happened with certain bacteria becoming resistant over millions of years, either convergent or dvergent evolution) but rather how bacteria have adapted either through horizontal acquisition of resistance genes or selecting for bugs that are resistant naturally but have never been a threat due to losing competition with more beneficial bacteria.

And by 'good' bacteria, I pretty much mean every strain killed by antibx in the friendly fire of therapy, which is the vast majority (we have 10x as many bacteria in our bodies than human cells making up our body).

And we will also find these bacteria in our gut have good properties for nutrition, anti-obesity & even mental health.

BurnShrike: Litig8r: Someone tell me again why we have to give equal airtime to the opposing viewpoint, no matter how biased and unsubstantiated it is?

Great clip from comedian Dara O'Briain (new window) about that...

That was, simply put, f'ing brilliant. He summed it up perfectly.

My transition to vegetarianism has been timely.

Litig8r: BurnShrike: Litig8r: Someone tell me again why we have to give equal airtime to the opposing viewpoint, no matter how biased and unsubstantiated it is?

Great clip from comedian Dara O'Briain (new window) about that...

That was, simply put, f'ing brilliant. He summed it up perfectly.

Yep. I thought he put it well. "Get in the farkin' sack"

rocinante721: BurnShrike: rocinante721: Funny thing is that we are sterilizing the Earth of beneficial microbes.

Antibiotics are leaching into ecosphere from these farms & factories (India is creating superbugs around their pharma plants from antibiotics runoff)

At least my job is safe (microbiologist/chemist)

I don't think we'll sterilize the place. If the "bad" bacteria came become resistant, so can the "good". It won't be much longer before we're back to the days where we were helpless against bacteria because it's resistant to everything we can throw at it.

It's probably the next state of evolution; a form of life resistant to nearly everything that can harm it.

I make the emphatic point that adaptation != evolution. The spread of antibx resistance isn't evolution (that has happened with certain bacteria becoming resistant over millions of years, either convergent or dvergent evolution) but rather how bacteria have adapted either through horizontal acquisition of resistance genes or selecting for bugs that are resistant naturally but have never been a threat due to losing competition with more beneficial bacteria.

And by 'good' bacteria, I pretty much mean every strain killed by antibx in the friendly fire of therapy, which is the vast majority (we have 10x as many bacteria in our bodies than human cells making up our body).

And we will also find these bacteria in our gut have good properties for nutrition, anti-obesity & even mental health.

The drug resistant bacteria probably were already present, but for whatever reason selection pressures were such that it wasn't the predominant strain. Pressures change, for instance due to overuse of antibiotics, kill off the non-resistant, leaving on the resistant strain to reproduce.

It is still part evolution, just a subset of the larger process that leads to new species.

Strix occidentalis: My transition to vegetarianism has been timely.

Vegetables are rife with bacteria (hence the occasional hemmoraegic E. coli outbreaks; often spread by animal feces as a vector) & especially if you do not cook them.

I expect a shiat-ton of raw/organic eating enterohemmoragic cases in the upcoming years.

/this thread constitutes my record use of 'feces' in a FARK talkback

I'm eating a ham, sausage and bacon sam`mich so I'm getting a real kic.. oh wait... no this sucks.. stop it!! Stop it now!

Strix occidentalis: My transition to vegetarianism has been timely.

Just beware the E. Coli. Things like bean sprouts are notorious for it these days.

//Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

rocinante721: Mr. Right: rocinante721: Funny thing is that we are sterilizing the Earth of beneficial microbes.

Antibiotics are leaching into ecosphere from these farms & factories (India is creating superbugs around their pharma plants from antibiotics runoff)

At least my job is safe (microbiologist/chemist)

Since you're a microbiologist, I'd like to ask you a question. Serious question, no troll. I have a small farm, raise most of my own food. Farrow to finish hogs, out on pasture weather permitting. Lambs the same, also chickens. Occasionally I'll buy a feeder calf and finish it out for beef - again, naturally raised, mostly grass. Not organic but pretty close. Key is that I never use antibiotics unless it is necessary to treat a specific illness in an individual. The question is this: does this make me safe from these super bugs or is it just going to give me a longer grace period but in the end they'll get my operation also?

We're all farked. The point is slowly, but surely, we are sterilizing all the susceptible bacteria, which creates a vacuum that the resistant bacteria can grow & thrive. Roughly 1/2 infections in hospitals these days are MRSA/VRSA related, which has grown exponentially since the 80s or so, but I'm sure your pigs are fine.

They did a recent study of pig feces (yahoo!) in pigs fed antibx & found they could clone the DNA for multiple antibiotic resistance, including antibx that they were not exposed to, showing a co-selection advantage.

So while my pigs are OK, the superbugs are going to get me from other directions? I'll probably just keep on plugging and see what happens. My children's pediatrician warned us, back in the 70s, that the (then) newfangled antibiotic soaps and the like would end up killing us. He even explained exactly how it would happen. He often preached that natural immunity was vastly superior to anti-biotics.

I'm familiar with a couple of the large, sterile hog operations. So, when I was selecting breeding stock for my little swine herd, I settled on a breeder who raises his mostly outside the way I wanted to do it. His comment, when I asked if I needed to sterilize my footwear, etc. before walking around in his pens, was to point out that if I was carrying a bug they hadn't built up an immunity to, I should introduce it so they could get started. Healthiest damned pigs I've ever been around.

Mr. Right: rocinante721: Mr. Right: rocinante721: Funny thing is that we are sterilizing the Earth of beneficial microbes.

Antibiotics are leaching into ecosphere from these farms & factories (India is creating superbugs around their pharma plants from antibiotics runoff)

At least my job is safe (microbiologist/chemist)

Since you're a microbiologist, I'd like to ask you a question. Serious question, no troll. I have a small farm, raise most of my own food. Farrow to finish hogs, out on pasture weather permitting. Lambs the same, also chickens. Occasionally I'll buy a feeder calf and finish it out for beef - again, naturally raised, mostly grass. Not organic but pretty close. Key is that I never use antibiotics unless it is necessary to treat a specific illness in an individual. The question is this: does this make me safe from these super bugs or is it just going to give me a longer grace period but in the end they'll get my operation also?

We're all farked. The point is slowly, but surely, we are sterilizing all the susceptible bacteria, which creates a vacuum that the resistant bacteria can grow & thrive. Roughly 1/2 infections in hospitals these days are MRSA/VRSA related, which has grown exponentially since the 80s or so, but I'm sure your pigs are fine.

They did a recent study of pig feces (yahoo!) in pigs fed antibx & found they could clone the DNA for multiple antibiotic resistance, including antibx that they were not exposed to, showing a co-selection advantage.

So while my pigs are OK, the superbugs are going to get me from other directions? I'll probably just keep on plugging and see what happens. My children's pediatrician warned us, back in the 70s, that the (then) newfangled antibiotic soaps and the like would end up killing us. He even explained exactly how it would happen. He often preached that natural immunity was vastly superior to anti-biotics.

I'm familiar with a couple of the large, sterile hog operations. So, when I was selecting br ...

Off topic: have farmers had sex with pigs? You hear sheep as the stereotypical animal to fark, but intuitively I think pigs would be more compatible.

Nothing beats cooking, alcohol or salt. Antibiotics also break down in the environment. 'Good' bacteria have plenty of places to grow where they are un-exposed to antibiotic waste. Granted, it's going to be a bit tougher to heal from a slightly deeper wound, but then again: we shouldn't operate so much as we do now anyway. With your skin whole you have nothing to worry about. Except TB of course.

Good. Maybe this will kill off half the planet.

CSB: I watched Contagion on DVD last week. It was horribly, stupidly boring IMHO. I guess it was supposed to be some kind of "docudrama" about what would really happen. I totally buy it but it was as exciting as watching paint dry. Anyways, if you haven't seen it, don't bother. It has no redeeming qualities and you'll never get those 90 minutes back.

rocinante721: this thread constitutes my record use of 'feces' in a FARK talkback

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