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(Boston.com)   Compensation issue for Theo Epstein between Red Sox and Cubs finally settled as Red Sox get a sack of beans   (boston.com) divider line 32
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2012-02-21 02:19:24 PM
A sack of beans by any other name is still a sack of beans.
 
2012-02-21 02:30:29 PM
Are they magic beans?
 
2012-02-21 03:18:27 PM
There's probably a lot of excited townies calling WEEI about the Red Sox adding Chris Carpenter to their pitching staff.

Caller: Oh, my head! Wicked awesome! Suh-weet!
Call screener: No, not that one.
Caller: *the soft sounds of him crying into his chowder*
 
2012-02-21 03:27:54 PM

chimp_ninja: There's probably a lot of excited townies calling WEEI about the Red Sox adding Chris Carpenter to their pitching staff.

Caller: Oh, my head! Wicked awesome! Suh-weet!
Call screener: No, not that one.
Caller: *the soft sounds of him crying into his chowder*


As long as they dont talk Celtics.
 
2012-02-21 03:28:47 PM
Sad thing is, it's STILL not over. It's Chris Carpenter + a PTBNL for a PTBNL.

oh, and the Cubs still have to compensate the padres for Hoyer.
 
2012-02-21 03:30:14 PM
Oh, and it's my understanding that Selig did absolutely nothing to help decide this. Both teams just got tired of waiting for him that they went back & worked it out on their own.
 
2012-02-21 03:37:40 PM
FTFA

Baseball America ranked Carpenter as the No. 13 prospect in the Cubs organization

Who do you think is the No. 14 prospect? A ball boy? A groundskeeper?
 
2012-02-21 03:43:11 PM
I don't follow the NL, but know of the players. Thought it was the GOOD Chris Carpenter (he's still with the Cards)
 
2012-02-21 03:50:23 PM
chicken and beer would have been better
 
2012-02-21 03:54:07 PM

21-37-42: FTFA

Baseball America ranked Carpenter as the No. 13 prospect in the Cubs organization

Who do you think is the No. 14 prospect? A ball boy? A groundskeeper?


You know, some of those ball girls sitting near the foul lines have made some sweet grabs over the years.
 
2012-02-21 03:56:04 PM
CUSTOM BRICKS FOR EVERYONE!

Only $50 a pop
 
2012-02-21 04:04:27 PM
chicken and beer would have been better

Ok, we'll send you a half-eaten bucket of day-old Harold's and a couple of cans of Finch beer.
 
2012-02-21 04:10:52 PM

jcsturgeon: 21-37-42: FTFA

Baseball America ranked Carpenter as the No. 13 prospect in the Cubs organization

Who do you think is the No. 14 prospect? A ball boy? A groundskeeper?

You know, some of those ball girls sitting near the foul lines have made some sweet grabs over the years.


I have to admit to watching Brewers home games for nothing else but the hot chick sitting behind the plate....
 
2012-02-21 04:13:09 PM

GQueue: chicken and beer would have been better

Ok, we'll send you a half-eaten bucket of day-old Harold's and a couple of cans of Finch beer.


make it popeyes and pbr
 
2012-02-21 04:13:13 PM

21-37-42: FTFA

Baseball America ranked Carpenter as the No. 13 prospect in the Cubs organization

Who do you think is the No. 14 prospect? A ball boy? A groundskeeper?


#13 prospect is a pretty good haul for a front office executive with one year left on the deal. Carpenter is 26 with some flexibility between the pen, rotation, minors and MLB. Sits 96-100 with his fastball but has some command issues. He had a pretty good 10 inning stint with the Cubbies last year.

DeWayne Mann: Oh, and it's my understanding that Selig did absolutely nothing to help decide this. Both teams just got tired of waiting for him that they went back & worked it out on their own.


Seems like it. I don't think Selig ever would have decided on it though. Apparently the MLB offices just "assisted" in the trade. If Selig gave the Sox, say, Matt Garza, it would set a dangerous precedent. On one hand, strongly penalizing the Cubs would prevent teams from shopping around for other teams' executives. On the other, it would cause teams to start shopping around their own personnel in trades, etc.

Basically the compensation had to be this, a decent prospect. Someone useful but not some phenom.
 
2012-02-21 04:15:55 PM

DeWayne Mann: Oh, and it's my understanding that Selig did absolutely nothing to help decide this


What are you talking about? As an A's fan, I can assure you that Selig would never take his sweet time to decide some controversial issue whose solution is painfully obvious to everybody but him, but instead just drag his feet, ignore the issue and pretend it doesn't exist.

No sir, Bud the dud would NEVER do that.
 
2012-02-21 04:20:55 PM

jdamaral: Basically the compensation had to be this, a decent prospect. Someone useful but not some phenom.


Oh, I agree. It's a difficult situation. I just find it funny because of

Why Would I Read the Article: DeWayne Mann: Oh, and it's my understanding that Selig did absolutely nothing to help decide this

What are you talking about? As an A's fan, I can assure you that Selig would never take his sweet time to decide some controversial issue whose solution is painfully obvious to everybody but him, but instead just drag his feet, ignore the issue and pretend it doesn't exist.

No sir, Bud the dud would NEVER do that.


Good point. We should definitely, definitely vote to extend his contract unanimously.
 
2012-02-21 05:33:51 PM

jdamaral: #13 prospect is a pretty good haul for a front office executive with one year left on the deal. Carpenter is 26 with some flexibility between the pen, rotation, minors and MLB. Sits 96-100 with his fastball but has some command issues. He had a pretty good 10 inning stint with the Cubbies last year.


He was pretty awful in AAA, but the PCL is a hitter's league and then some. Still, he walked 4.2 per 9 throughout the minors, and you can't blame the parks for that. That said, some guys can learn control, but it's rare to see a guy learn to strike dudes out at a high rate. He's worth something to someone, but I wouldn't bet on him being much more than a ROOGY.
 
2012-02-21 05:36:19 PM

DeWayne Mann: Oh, and it's my understanding that Selig did absolutely nothing to help decide this. Both teams just got tired of waiting for him that they went back & worked it out on their own.


Now that's real leadership!
 
2012-02-21 05:38:01 PM

Freakin Rican: GQueue: chicken and beer would have been better

Ok, we'll send you a half-eaten bucket of day-old Harold's and a couple of cans of Finch beer.

make it popeyes and pbr


Josh Beckett? Is that you?
 
2012-02-21 05:38:35 PM
curse of the beanbino in 3, 2, 1....
 
2012-02-21 05:46:12 PM

chimp_ninja: He was pretty awful in AAA, but the PCL is a hitter's league and then some. Still, he walked 4.2 per 9 throughout the minors, and you can't blame the parks for that. That said, some guys can learn control, but it's rare to see a guy learn to strike dudes out at a high rate. He's worth something to someone, but I wouldn't bet on him being much more than a ROOGY.


I've seen some people suggest he's basically a righty andrew miller. He has some nice pitches, but can't get them over the plate. He could probably start, though it might not be the BEST idea. But, man, if he could just put it all together....
 
2012-02-21 05:54:17 PM

James!: Are they magic beans?


She might know.

www.thebroadwayblog.com
 
2012-02-21 07:30:26 PM
Well we are beantown, so a sack of beans in this town has considerable pull.
 
2012-02-21 08:14:59 PM
I looked at it quick and thought they got the one from St. Louis.

Then I realized that wasn't possible - The Red Sox have gone back to doing business like they did in 1995, by getting cheap retreads and never-weres and hoping that will beat the Yankees.

/Waiting for Troy O'Leary and Brian Daubach to anchor the lineup again (NOOOOOOO!!!!)
 
2012-02-21 08:41:03 PM

Krustofsky: The Red Sox have gone back to doing business like they did in 1995, by getting cheap retreads and never-weres and hoping that will beat the Yankees.


...what?

no, seriously, WHAT? this makes absolutely no sense.

the only possible interpretation I can come up with is you complaining about the lack of moves this offseason. but that completely ignores:

1. Adrian Gonzalez getting a 16 million dollar/year raise
2. Trading for two young good relievers, plus Carp who has a chance to be pretty good
3. Attempting to sign Oswalt, but getting turned down because of location

And. bear in mind, they've got a sizable chunk of change tied up in two pitchers who won't even pitch this season, which makes making moves difficult.

So what would you have had them do? Bear in mind, this offseason the yankees traded for one young pitcher, signed a 35 year old SP, and also signed Raul Ibanez, Bill Hall, Russell Branyan, Manny Delcarmen, Jayson Nix, Clay Rapada...

hey, that sounds like a big list of retreads and never-weres!

so, again, WHAT?
 
2012-02-21 11:48:40 PM

DeWayne Mann: Krustofsky: The Red Sox have gone back to doing business like they did in 1995, by getting cheap retreads and never-weres and hoping that will beat the Yankees.

...what?

no, seriously, WHAT? this makes absolutely no sense.

the only possible interpretation I can come up with is you complaining about the lack of moves this offseason. but that completely ignores:

1. Adrian Gonzalez getting a 16 million dollar/year raise
2. Trading for two young good relievers, plus Carp who has a chance to be pretty good
3. Attempting to sign Oswalt, but getting turned down because of location

And. bear in mind, they've got a sizable chunk of change tied up in two pitchers who won't even pitch this season, which makes making moves difficult.

So what would you have had them do? Bear in mind, this offseason the yankees traded for one young pitcher, signed a 35 year old SP, and also signed Raul Ibanez, Bill Hall, Russell Branyan, Manny Delcarmen, Jayson Nix, Clay Rapada...

hey, that sounds like a big list of retreads and never-weres!

so, again, WHAT?


You, like, don't even know what you're talking about man.
 
2012-02-22 12:48:22 AM
s.ecrater.com

What a Carpenter in Boston may look like.
 
2012-02-22 01:56:00 AM
"Both sides will also exchange a player to be named later."

Really? we cant just settle this crap and get it over with?

So the Red Sox got Chris Carpenter for nothing?

/ they got hosed!
 
2012-02-22 08:34:13 AM

Gunny Highway: CUSTOM BRICKS FOR EVERYONE!

Only $50 a pop


Win.
 
2012-02-22 10:28:47 AM

GQueue: chicken and beer would have been better

Ok, we'll send you a half-eaten bucket of day-old Harold's and a couple of cans of Finch beer.


HA! My friends own/brew Finch beer. It is kind of weird seeing someone mention it on Fark.
 
2012-02-22 05:08:42 PM

I sound fat: "Both sides will also exchange a player to be named later."

Really? we cant just settle this crap and get it over with?

So the Red Sox got Chris Carpenter for nothing?

/ they got hosed!


I suspect you're snarking, but in case you aren't: MLB rules apparently prohibit trading a player for anything other than a player (no more trading a player for a bag of rosin!). In effect, the deal is Chris Carpenter + PTBNL #1 for PTBNL #2 (who might, in fact, end up being PTBNL #1). The whole Theo thing is totally separate from the trade... except, of course, it isn't and everybody knows it.

/The Cubs could have given up Matt Garza and I would have eventually convinced myself that Theo was worth it. Eventually.
//Not for Starlin Castro, however.
 
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