Was that were the flavor Chunky Monkey came from

/too soon?

Not only did slavery get shiat done, it also made delicious treats.

That's according to a new exhibition on the cookery of Mount Vernon, "Hoecakes and Hospitality," that opens this President's Day weekend.


Hoecakes?

dj_spanmaster: That would be Jefferson's, not Washington's.

It would be both, but Jefferson would rape his first.

They weren't slaves they were servants! And George treated them with the utmost respect. (Franklin nailed a few of his, it's rumored...) Anyway slavery wasn't a big issue until well after the foundation of the country was laid and the farmers of the south needed hundreds of thousands of man-hours of labor.

/get a brain, moran
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What a hoecake may look like



(technically it's a ho with a cake, but we digress)

Northerners had servants, subby. Only the South had slaves.

Dude, Washington was like, totally always getting the munchies bro.

urban.derelict: They weren't slaves they were servants! And George treated them with the utmost respect. (Franklin nailed a few of his, it's rumored...) Anyway slavery wasn't a big issue until well after the foundation of the country was laid and the farmers of the south needed hundreds of thousands of man-hours of labor.

/get a brain, moran
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Um, yeah. But he also went on about the rights of man and liberty and all men being created equal etc. The hypocritical coont.

tukatz: urban.derelict: They weren't slaves they were servants! And George treated them with the utmost respect. (Franklin nailed a few of his, it's rumored...) Anyway slavery wasn't a big issue until well after the foundation of the country was laid and the farmers of the south needed hundreds of thousands of man-hours of labor.

/get a brain, moran
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Ummm, I believe the whole "forced against your will to work without pay and not allowed to leave" thing was a bit of a problem for some.

Yeah, we had some really picky people, didn't we -- especially those three-fifths of a person? urban.derelict doesn't understand that originally there were slaves in all 13 colonies/states. It wasn't just a southern thing and it wasn't just Africans. American Indians were the first people to be enslaved. There were also debtors and those transported from England.

tukatz: Ummm, I believe the whole "forced against your will to work without pay and not allowed to leave" thing was a bit of a problem for some.

Today, we call them "iPad assemblers".

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Northerners had servants, subby. Only the South had slaves.

George Washington was from Alaska?

Suede head: urban.derelict: They weren't slaves they were servants! And George treated them with the utmost respect. (Franklin nailed a few of his, it's rumored...) Anyway slavery wasn't a big issue until well after the foundation of the country was laid and the farmers of the south needed hundreds of thousands of man-hours of labor.

/get a brain, moran
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Um, yeah. But he also went on about the rights of man and liberty and all men being created equal etc. The hypocritical coont.


Actually, Washington opposed slavery pretty much right from the getgo, when the revolutionary war ended. He also put it in his will that all of his slaves were to be given their freedom when he died (though his wife took a year to honor that request). Legislatively he signed a couple different pieces of legislation, one that banned slaves in the Northwest territories, but then also the fugitive slave law... So he has his signature on both sides of legislation. I can understand him not wanting to press the issue, as we take for granted our country today, but it was hanging by a thread back when it began and by pushing that issue he might have destroyed the union, and if he had... who knows... today we might have a northern country with no slaves and a southern one with them.

I heard some researchers talking about Washington a couple months ago, in context of his horticulture... Washington was an intelligent guy with a lot of interests, one of which was gardening/farming. Apparently he was said to be better to his slaves than many of his contemporaries and actually did treat them more like workers than slaves. Supposedly whenever he was in Mt. Vernon he'd be out there in the fields, working all day in the dirt with his sleeves rolled up like everyone else, right alongside the slaves.

Then again, he also expressed distrust of his slaves in his private writings and visitors had differing opinions on just how well he was treating his slaves - some saying he was a dick to them.

But then back again in Washington's favor, at the time of his death he was trying to sell off some lands and arrange his finances so he could get rid of his slaves. He stopped selling/trading slaves at some point in his life because he didn't want to break up their families, and Mt. Vernon eventually became unprofitable towards the end because of that refusal to sell off any slaves any more.

Considering the context of the times, I'd say his hypocrisy wasn't a cut and dry thing. It's a complicated picture in Washington's case specifically.

TV's Vinnie: Today, we call them "iPad assemblers".

Remember kids: slave-labor supported 25% profit margins are OK as long as you assemble a really cool product!

I bet if he had foreseen what America looks like 250 years later he'd have gotten the goddamn ice himself

Suede head: urban.derelict: They weren't slaves they were servants! And George treated them with the utmost respect. (Franklin nailed a few of his, it's rumored...) Anyway slavery wasn't a big issue until well after the foundation of the country was laid and the farmers of the south needed hundreds of thousands of man-hours of labor.

/get a brain, moran
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Um, yeah. But he also went on about the rights of man and liberty and all men being created equal etc. The hypocritical coont.

Someone who went into politics being a hypocrite? Un-possible!

mongbiohazard: Suede head: urban.derelict: They weren't slaves they were servants! And George treated them with the utmost respect. (Franklin nailed a few of his, it's rumored...) Anyway slavery wasn't a big issue until well after the foundation of the country was laid and the farmers of the south needed hundreds of thousands of man-hours of labor.

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Um, yeah. But he also went on about the rights of man and liberty and all men being created equal etc. The hypocritical coont.


Actually, Washington opposed slavery pretty much right from the getgo, when the revolutionary war ended. He also put it in his will that all of his slaves were to be given their freedom when he died (though his wife took a year to honor that request). Legislatively he signed a couple different pieces of legislation, one that banned slaves in the Northwest territories, but then also the fugitive slave law... So he has his signature on both sides of legislation. I can understand him not wanting to press the issue, as we take for granted our country today, but it was hanging by a thread back when it began and by pushing that issue he might have destroyed the union, and if he had... who knows... today we might have a northern country with no slaves and a southern one with them.

I heard some researchers talking about Washington a couple months ago, in context of his horticulture... Washington was an intelligent guy with a lot of interests, one of which was gardening/farming. Apparently he was said to be better to his slaves than many of his contemporaries and actually did treat them more like workers than slaves. Supposedly whenever he was in Mt. Vernon he'd be out there in the fields, working all day in the dirt with his sleeves rolled up like everyone else, right alongside the slaves.

Then again, he also expressed distrust of his slaves in his private writings and visitors had differing opinions on jus ...

Man, this is Fark! Enough of your intellligent, considered, nuanced replies!

What? You expect the Father of our country to cut his own ice?

/too busy brewing the whiskey.

Even if he did treat his slaves more like workers than slaves, remember what workers were treated like in those days. Then imagine you weren't allowed to quit or leave or vote or unionize.

JackieRabbit: tukatz: urban.derelict: They weren't slaves they were servants! And George treated them with the utmost respect. (Franklin nailed a few of his, it's rumored...) Anyway slavery wasn't a big issue until well after the foundation of the country was laid and the farmers of the south needed hundreds of thousands of man-hours of labor.



Ummm, I believe the whole "forced against your will to work without pay and not allowed to leave" thing was a bit of a problem for some.
It wasn't just a southern thing and it wasn't just Africans. American Indians were the first people to be enslaved..

Slavery existed for millenia before the US was a blip in history. Ever heard of the Jews? Slavery in Africa (Africans enslaved by other Africans) has been around quite a while, too.

Also made with the blood of newborn slave babies in the Masonic tradition??

/includes Tubal Cain sugar

Gaylord Fister: I bet if he had foreseen what America looks like 250 years later he'd have gotten the goddamn ice himself

Dude...You just like, blew my mind.

shotglasss: Slavery existed for millenia before the US was a blip in history. Ever heard of the Jews? Slavery in Africa (Africans enslaved by other Africans) has been around quite a while, too.

Jews may have taken other people as slaves, but there really is no evidence they were slaves themselves (at least not at the hands of Egyptians) outside a book that also claims the world was created in seven days. A better example would have been ancient Greek society. Honestly though, just about every ancient civilization practiced it to some extent.

Gwyrddu: shotglasss: Slavery existed for millenia before the US was a blip in history. Ever heard of the Jews? Slavery in Africa (Africans enslaved by other Africans) has been around quite a while, too.

Jews may have taken other people as slaves, but there really is no evidence they were slaves themselves (at least not at the hands of Egyptians) outside a book that also claims the world was created in seven days. A better example would have been ancient Greek society. Honestly though, just about every ancient civilization practiced it to some extent.

Not to go off on a tangent here, but I don't think the 'seven days' thing is meant to be taken literally. If there is a God, what is a day to him? A year? An eon? No one knows, and who knows how many things in the Bible are literal and how many are rhetorical? I don't, neither do you.

Back to the subject...slavery still goes on today, but the only time we hear about it is when someone wants to scream and moan about something that was outlawed 150 years ago in the US. Time to moveon.org with our lives.

shotglasss: Not to go off on a tangent here, but I don't think the 'seven days' thing is meant to be taken literally. If there is a God, what is a day to him? A year? An eon? No one knows, and who knows how many things in the Bible are literal and how many are rhetorical? I don't, neither do you.

I think you are making my point for me. We know the slavery thing in Egypt didn't literal happen because there isn't independent evidence that it happened. There are plenty of real examples which we know happened that you could have used instead.


Back to the subject...slavery still goes on today, but the only time we hear about it is when someone wants to scream and moan about something that was outlawed 150 years ago in the US. Time to moveon.org with our lives.

I'd love to move on, but conservatives seem to want to dwell on it. The end of slavery just meant the beginning of segregation, Jim Crow laws, and white supremist groups like the KKK. When those waned conservatives continued to appeal to racism to attack the poor and social programs and ramp up their war on drugs. Right now a black man is 12 times more likely to end up in prison for a drug offense than a white person, even though drug use is nearly the same for both groups. It's too the point where there are more black people occupying prison cells than college dorms. That there are now blacks in the prison system than there were ever slaves at any one time in US.

So yeah, tell me conservatives are ready to move on, I won't hold me breath though.