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2012-02-21 01:25:58 PM  
http://xkcd.com/1019/
 
2012-02-21 01:47:10 PM  
Question: Who are the Gen Y, again? Is it everybody born after the 1990s? Or the 1980s?
 
2012-02-21 03:47:51 PM  

RexTalionis: Question: Who are the Gen Y, again? Is it everybody born after the 1990s? Or the 1980s?


The 1980's.
 
2012-02-21 03:50:38 PM  

RexTalionis: Question: Who are the Gen Y, again?


You can find out by calling 867-5309.
 
2012-02-21 03:50:51 PM  

PillsHere: RexTalionis: Question: Who are the Gen Y, again? Is it everybody born after the 1990s? Or the 1980s?

The 1980's.


To clarify, people born in the 80's count as Gen Y, I guess it goes into the 90's as well. I just remember when the phrase was coined it was those born in the 80's.
 
2012-02-21 03:56:14 PM  
1985er here. I love being a Millennial.

Hold on, let me rephrase that.... I love being a white, straight, healthy, educated, Millennial.

Must suck for the rest of 'em.
 
2012-02-21 04:02:10 PM  

dittybopper: RexTalionis: Question: Who are the Gen Y, again?

You can find out by calling 867-5309.


I tried that, but some dude in New Haven picked up and yelled at me.
 
2012-02-21 04:02:35 PM  

RexTalionis: Question: Who are the Gen Y, again? Is it everybody born after the 1990s? Or the 1980s?


As the name suggests, we are the people who have come along to question the outmoded, totally bogus paradigm of Gen X. The people who surf the information superhighway, synnergizing our totally tubular winnovations with the e-nvesting i-conomy of the 3rd millenium, bro.

/Thinking outside the 7 Boxxis, bro
 
2012-02-21 04:14:29 PM  
So they're manufacturing durable goods, right?

Umm right?


I'll just be waiting over here until you got somethin' to show me.
 
2012-02-21 04:19:17 PM  

Algebrat: RexTalionis: Question: Who are the Gen Y, again? Is it everybody born after the 1990s? Or the 1980s?

As the name suggests, we are the people who have come along to question the outmoded, totally bogus paradigm of Gen X. The people who surf the information superhighway, synnergizing our totally tubular winnovations with the e-nvesting i-conomy of the 3rd millenium, bro.

/Thinking outside the 7 Boxxis, bro


I wish I could punch you through the internet for that.
 
2012-02-21 04:20:29 PM  
I love they start out the article by announcing he is breaking the law by obtaining phoney IDs.
 
2012-02-21 04:40:16 PM  

Algebrat: As the name suggests, we are the people who have come along to question the outmoded, totally bogus paradigm of Gen X.


Wait a second. I thought it was the evil baby boomers that had pissed in the corn flakes. Now you say it's Gen X. Just exactly who am i suppose to whine about and how am ever going to figure out who to hate if all the bad people are not in one generation.
 
2012-02-21 04:41:05 PM  

farkin_Gary: So they're manufacturing durable goods, right?

Umm right?


I'll just be waiting over here until you got somethin' to show me.


Yeah man, durable electronic goods. They're, like, the future. I don't even go to the grocery store anymore. I just grow my own food on farmville.
 
2012-02-21 04:43:34 PM  
If anyone will save us it will be the head of some tech company. Steve Jobs proved that.

Oh wait ...
 
2012-02-21 04:44:09 PM  
That article has to be some kind of satire, if not I hope both fake id guy and overslept for meeting to raise capital guy are never allowed to run anything, not because these things took place, but due to the fact that either one would seemingly willingly give up this information.
 
2012-02-21 04:48:01 PM  
Remember the greatest thing that can happen to anybody is that they become a game programmer when they are young and then move onto taking graduate computer sci. classes by the time they are a teenage.

All other losers should probably just kill themselves now.
 
2012-02-21 04:51:42 PM  
Gen Y = Made the memes.
Gen X = Have just discovered the 7 year old ones thinking they are new. Plastering my facebook news feed with them. They accidentally the whole game.
 
2012-02-21 04:53:49 PM  

farkin_Gary: So they're manufacturing durable goods, right?

Umm right?


I'll just be waiting over here until you got somethin' to show me.


You mean, cruising around on Fark?
 
2012-02-21 04:56:02 PM  

Bob16: Remember the greatest thing that can happen to anybody is that they become a game programmer when they are young and then move onto taking graduate computer sci. classes by the time they are a teenage.

All other losers should probably just kill themselves now.


lol

I still remember the dreams of writing video game code that myself and other freshman computer science students had. All but a few of us abandoned those dreams as the reality of a highly volatile and unstable industry became obvious. Coming into work to find out the game flopped and you were all fired or that EA had bought your studio and you were all fired, or any number of scenarios that make the industry not the best if you want a stable job.

Plus, there are a whole lot of ways to contribute to games besides the grunts in the trenches writing the code. That most people wanted to be the artists and story writers and not the guy writing the physics and 3D engines didn't help either.

//I lie. I'd still love to program a game or two, but the stability just isn't there for a guy trying to support his family, unless you manage to work for one of the big boys (Blizzard for instance), and even that isn't a sure thing.
 
2012-02-21 04:56:55 PM  

Makh: Gen Y = Made the memes.
Gen X = Made the Web.


fify
/Get to work Y!
 
2012-02-21 05:09:22 PM  

meat0918: Bob16: Remember the greatest thing that can happen to anybody is that they become a game programmer when they are young and then move onto taking graduate computer sci. classes by the time they are a teenage.

All other losers should probably just kill themselves now.

lol

I still remember the dreams of writing video game code that myself and other freshman computer science students had. All but a few of us abandoned those dreams as the reality of a highly volatile and unstable industry became obvious. Coming into work to find out the game flopped and you were all fired or that EA had bought your studio and you were all fired, or any number of scenarios that make the industry not the best if you want a stable job.

Plus, there are a whole lot of ways to contribute to games besides the grunts in the trenches writing the code. That most people wanted to be the artists and story writers and not the guy writing the physics and 3D engines didn't help either.

//I lie. I'd still love to program a game or two, but the stability just isn't there for a guy trying to support his family, unless you manage to work for one of the big boys (Blizzard for instance), and even that isn't a sure thing.


Back when i worked at a big company with a lot of programmers i noticed that a good chunk of them seemed to be "out of balance" (i.e. accomplished at technical subjects and lame at most other things ). They were nice people though.

I could be completely wrong but i think that saving america is gonna require people that have broader knowledge of the world and are probably well acquainted with the humanities.
 
2012-02-21 05:17:25 PM  
Am I the only Gen Xer that looks at the Gen Yers and think to yourself "Holy crap look at em. They are supposed to be our backstop?..... Dang, we had better not screw up."

/maybe it is me
 
2012-02-21 05:20:39 PM  

Makh: Gen Y = Made the memes.
Gen X = Have just discovered the 7 year old ones thinking they are new. Plastering my facebook news feed with them. They accidentally the whole game.


back in my day all we had was dialup and we liked it
 
2012-02-21 05:22:06 PM  

meat0918: Bob16: Remember the greatest thing that can happen to anybody is that they become a game programmer when they are young and then move onto taking graduate computer sci. classes by the time they are a teenage.

All other losers should probably just kill themselves now.

lol

I still remember the dreams of writing video game code that myself and other freshman computer science students had. All but a few of us abandoned those dreams as the reality of a highly volatile and unstable industry became obvious. Coming into work to find out the game flopped and you were all fired or that EA had bought your studio and you were all fired, or any number of scenarios that make the industry not the best if you want a stable job.

Plus, there are a whole lot of ways to contribute to games besides the grunts in the trenches writing the code. That most people wanted to be the artists and story writers and not the guy writing the physics and 3D engines didn't help either.

//I lie. I'd still love to program a game or two, but the stability just isn't there for a guy trying to support his family, unless you manage to work for one of the big boys (Blizzard for instance), and even that isn't a sure thing.


My husband is an environment artist, so I'm getting a kick...

/came in to the industry just as the crash happened.
//still hanging in there
///treat it like a sales job: feast/famine.
 
2012-02-21 05:28:36 PM  

Bob16: meat0918: Bob16: Remember the greatest thing that can happen to anybody is that they become a game programmer when they are young and then move onto taking graduate computer sci. classes by the time they are a teenage.

All other losers should probably just kill themselves now.

lol

I still remember the dreams of writing video game code that myself and other freshman computer science students had. All but a few of us abandoned those dreams as the reality of a highly volatile and unstable industry became obvious. Coming into work to find out the game flopped and you were all fired or that EA had bought your studio and you were all fired, or any number of scenarios that make the industry not the best if you want a stable job.

Plus, there are a whole lot of ways to contribute to games besides the grunts in the trenches writing the code. That most people wanted to be the artists and story writers and not the guy writing the physics and 3D engines didn't help either.

//I lie. I'd still love to program a game or two, but the stability just isn't there for a guy trying to support his family, unless you manage to work for one of the big boys (Blizzard for instance), and even that isn't a sure thing.

Back when i worked at a big company with a lot of programmers i noticed that a good chunk of them seemed to be "out of balance" (i.e. accomplished at technical subjects and lame at most other things ). They were nice people though.

I could be completely wrong but i think that saving america is gonna require people that have broader knowledge of the world and are probably well acquainted with the humanities.


In my experience, engineers suffer from a similar lack of balance. STEM programs are not a panacea it seems, and we tend to balk at including humanities studies into those programs.
 
2012-02-21 05:46:24 PM  
Sadly these are the more immoral ones of the generation and need to be neutralized.

That, and not everyone is not meant to be an entrepreneur. Yet there is a great push to make people into them even if they don't want to. Many people are quite good with a secure, permanent job that treats them as a long-term investment, and isn't some snarky corruption of that ideal.
 
2012-02-21 06:03:27 PM  

meat0918: Bob16: meat0918: Bob16: Remember the greatest thing that can happen to anybody is that they become a game programmer when they are young and then move onto taking graduate computer sci. classes by the time they are a teenage.

All other losers should probably just kill themselves now.

lol

I still remember the dreams of writing video game code that myself and other freshman computer science students had. All but a few of us abandoned those dreams as the reality of a highly volatile and unstable industry became obvious. Coming into work to find out the game flopped and you were all fired or that EA had bought your studio and you were all fired, or any number of scenarios that make the industry not the best if you want a stable job.

Plus, there are a whole lot of ways to contribute to games besides the grunts in the trenches writing the code. That most people wanted to be the artists and story writers and not the guy writing the physics and 3D engines didn't help either.

//I lie. I'd still love to program a game or two, but the stability just isn't there for a guy trying to support his family, unless you manage to work for one of the big boys (Blizzard for instance), and even that isn't a sure thing.

Back when i worked at a big company with a lot of programmers i noticed that a good chunk of them seemed to be "out of balance" (i.e. accomplished at technical subjects and lame at most other things ). They were nice people though.

I could be completely wrong but i think that saving america is gonna require people that have broader knowledge of the world and are probably well acquainted with the humanities.

In my experience, engineers suffer from a similar lack of balance. STEM programs are not a panacea it seems, and we tend to balk at including humanities studies into those programs.


You got that right. And i know it for a fact cause I'm and engineer. Actually it's probably not unusual for young programmers to be a bit narrow in their knowledge simply because they are young.

Being a baby boomer i noticed one big difference between me and the generation x guys i worked with. They weren't nearly into music the way the boomers were. They listened and everything but it wasn't the most important part of their life like it was with a lot of folks in my generation. I guess the boomers were that way because pot had a big influence on them.
 
2012-02-21 06:09:20 PM  

mr lawson: fify
/Get to work Y!


The boomers would like a word with you. Xers also get trolled easily.
 
2012-02-21 06:18:25 PM  

Makh: The boomers would like a word with you. Xers also get trolled easily.


A "few" boomers created the internet (you the history)
Gen X created the Web
And yes..we do (hangs head in shame)
 
2012-02-21 06:28:49 PM  

mr lawson: /Get to work Y!


Stop sending the work offshore so that there's a motivation to want to work.

How about restoring the idea of a 30-year attachment to a company in exchange for being treated like an investment?
 
2012-02-21 06:35:27 PM  

sethstorm: How about restoring the idea of a 30-year attachment to a company in exchange for being treated like an investment?


Why in gods name would you want to be loyal to ANY company?!?!?!
 
2012-02-21 06:42:38 PM  

mr lawson: sethstorm: How about restoring the idea of a 30-year attachment to a company in exchange for being treated like an investment?

Why in gods name would you want to be loyal to ANY company?!?!?!


That's the whole point. Back in the day, you invested in the company and the company invested in you. The minute you became a "human resource" you became fungable.
 
2012-02-21 06:55:32 PM  

Rent Party: mr lawson: sethstorm: How about restoring the idea of a 30-year attachment to a company in exchange for being treated like an investment?

Why in gods name would you want to be loyal to ANY company?!?!?!

That's the whole point. Back in the day, you invested in the company and the company invested in you. The minute you became a "human resource" you became fungable.


Not really.
Employees back in the day were always nothing more than an fungible asset. What changed was technology that allowed a market place of labor to economically function. Make no mistake, if the tech had been available "back in the day" , this same thing would have happened. They only reason they invested in the workers was a cost-benefit advantage for them to do so....not out of any moral reasons.
 
2012-02-21 07:06:08 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: 1985er here. I love being a Millennial.

Hold on, let me rephrase that.... I love being a white, straight, healthy, educated, Millennial.

Must suck for the rest of 'em.


You're just a few years out of school, what do you know about life? Just wait until you're approaching 40, your job gets outsourced, or you get fired for being the expensive long term employee and find yourself unable to get a new job. Or any one of the countless other problems associated with people who've been in the work force longer than 10 years.
 
2012-02-21 07:12:44 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: 1985er here. I love being a Millennial.


"Gen Y" isn't what the demographers call them.

But, for the most part, generations tend to be defined as people old enough to remember a common single event. Depression babies? Pearl Harbor. WWII babies? Sputnik. Boomers? Watergate. Gen X? Challenger. Millennials? Y2K.

So, notable event for whatever the generation after the Millennials should be coming shortly. /Everybody panic

But the new crop of CEOs are repeating the same mistakes the Boomers and Gen Xers did. But it's different, because they're special. Don't you see how incredible, unique, and different they are?
 
2012-02-21 07:15:14 PM  

intelligent comment below: You're just a few years out of school, what do you know about life? Just wait until you're approaching 40, your job gets outsourced, or you get fired for being the expensive long term employee and find yourself unable to get a new job. Or any one of the countless other problems associated with people who've been in the work force longer than 10 years.


Tffftbt. None of those things is going to happen. Not to them. They're too important.
 
2012-02-21 07:17:53 PM  
Countdown to inevitable bankruptcy starts now.

/That and the cops are gonna git 'im for the fake Chinese IDs.
 
2012-02-21 07:27:49 PM  

hurdboy: intelligent comment below: You're just a few years out of school, what do you know about life? Just wait until you're approaching 40, your job gets outsourced, or you get fired for being the expensive long term employee and find yourself unable to get a new job. Or any one of the countless other problems associated with people who've been in the work force longer than 10 years.

Tffftbt. None of those things is going to happen. Not to them. They're too important valuable.


Of course that value has been somewhat impacted by the fact that you can get an Indian engineer with a PhD for the insignificant sum of 4 goats per year.
 
2012-02-21 07:32:09 PM  

Bob16: Of course that value has been somewhat impacted by the fact that you can get an Indian engineer with a PhD for the insignificant sum of 4 goats per year.


Sure. But that PhD won't change the world. The 80's American baby will.
 
2012-02-21 07:41:31 PM  

hurdboy: Sure. But that PhD won't change the world. The 80's American baby will.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infosys
 
2012-02-21 07:46:34 PM  

intelligent comment below: hurdboy: Sure. But that PhD won't change the world. The 80's American baby will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infosys


So, they've formed a company. And? They're not special. Don't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you?
 
2012-02-21 08:06:05 PM  
He believes his age helps him and other youthful entrepreneurs. "You're expected to be limitless," he said. "Kind of destructive."

Yeah, and we thought we were creating a New Economy. You'll find out.
 
2012-02-21 08:13:58 PM  

mr lawson: Rent Party: mr lawson: sethstorm: How about restoring the idea of a 30-year attachment to a company in exchange for being treated like an investment?

Why in gods name would you want to be loyal to ANY company?!?!?!

That's the whole point. Back in the day, you invested in the company and the company invested in you. The minute you became a "human resource" you became fungable.

Not really.
Employees back in the day were always nothing more than an fungible asset. What changed was technology that allowed sociopathy to economically function. Make no mistake, if the tech had been available "back in the day" , this same thing would have happened. They only reason they invested in the workers was a cost-benefit advantage for them to do so....not out of any moral reasons.


FTFY.

Perhaps it is time to restore what was lost- treating people like long-term investments instead of one-night-stands. Even if it takes harsh regulation at both ends - where it is impossibly hard to not hire our own and it is hard to treat them unlike said long-term investment.
 
2012-02-21 08:18:31 PM  

Rent Party: That's the whole point. Back in the day, you invested in the company and the company invested in you. The minute you became a "human resource" you became fungable.


Yes folks, fungibility of work that favors the employer is a bad thing. The goal is to have employers dropping all their roadblocks and hiring people for the long-term, even if it takes regulation.

To preempt the calls of "but but qualification!" or "hurr, durr, competitiveness derp", businesses have complained a lot about the training when they don't want to do it themselves - and do it right.
 
2012-02-21 08:42:04 PM  

Saiga410: Am I the only Gen Xer that looks at the Gen Yers and think to yourself "Holy crap look at em. They are supposed to be our backstop?..... Dang, we had better not screw up."


Dude, we already screwed up. Granted I think the Millenials are even more ill-equipped to deal with adversity, as they were raised in little bubbles where everyone's a winnar and good jorb! So a lot of them lack any sort of ability to handle criticism, let alone have any internal self-correcting mechanism. In other words, they're the next generation of Baby Boomers -- all ego, zero accountability. Of course there are exceptions but they're badly outnumbered.

That said, we ain't exactly hot shiat either. WTF have we done for the country? We're not exactly good stewards. Nah, America overall is in serious decline with three successive "me" generations fighting for what's left of the wealth created by the GI Generation.
 
2012-02-21 09:29:47 PM  
I think you mean the wealth created by decades of government socialism.

Everyone's a winner is not a problem. Smashing down people's ego's is the worst way to bring up kids. When you have not caring parents and abusive friends that leads to a sociopath. This idea that the country is on the wrong track because everyone is too soft on kids is ridiculous.

The ego you see is from kids with no self confidence who over compensate and create false realities with huge egos. They're the first to fall flat on their face. And giving everyone a trophy at 10 for playing sports doesn't do anything negative no matter what right wing bullshiat people claim.

America is in a decline because all the middle class manufacturing jobs went overseas to slave labor havens and executives stole the pie.
 
2012-02-21 10:20:02 PM  

hurdboy: HellRaisingHoosier: 1985er here. I love being a Millennial.

"Gen Y" isn't what the demographers call them.

But, for the most part, generations tend to be defined as people old enough to remember a common single event. Depression babies? Pearl Harbor. WWII babies? Sputnik. Boomers? Watergate. Gen X? Challenger. Millennials? Y2K.

So, notable event for whatever the generation after the Millennials should be coming shortly. /Everybody panic

But the new crop of CEOs are repeating the same mistakes the Boomers and Gen Xers did. But it's different, because they're special. Don't you see how incredible, unique, and different they are?


Y2K? My first day of college was 9/11. Being born in 82 I'm on the cusp acccording to most,but that day meant a hell of a lot more to me then old folks freaking out about computers.
 
2012-02-21 10:32:33 PM  

intelligent comment below: America is in a decline because all the middle class manufacturing jobs went overseas to slave labor havens and executives stole the pie.


THIS.

1981: The decimation of the middle class begins with the PATCO precedent
1983: GE brings in a neutron-bomb of an executive to herald the beginning of business sociopathy.
1990's: NAFTA heralds the end of the secure manufacturing job.
2003: Offshoring of higher tier work heralds the end of safety for anybody.
2008: Bottom falls out from the economy, finishing the job that offshoring started.
2009-today: Businesses wage war on their own workers, from hiring restrictions to complaints about skills & competitiveness.

/On the cusp of both, 1980. I could make a claim to either.
 
2012-02-21 10:35:51 PM  
It's what happens when you lower taxes on the wealthy and corporations to historically record lows while they are making the most profits they've ever had. Then it's not a shock when governments all over the world are having trouble paying their bills and there are no good paying jobs for the majority of citizens.

This is the world that right wing corporatism has created, and there are still people who pick up guns and die for them. It's sickening.
 
2012-02-21 11:08:33 PM  

intelligent comment below: Smashing down people's ego's is the worst way to bring up kids. When you have not caring parents and abusive friends that leads to a sociopath.


These two sentences have so little to do with each other they shoudn't belong in the same post, let alone the same paragraph.

It's the idea that smashing a kid's ego is "uncaring" that's toxic. You smash a kid's arrogance to teach them to associate pride with merit. Every kid gets thrown to the proverbial mat at some point; the difference is that the real world won't give a flying fark if they get back up or not. So, it's best that the parent supervises failure and teaches the kid some mental toughness. That's not abuse; it's teaching someone to be their own worst critic, which is necessary because otherwise there's just too damn much to learn. Once a kid learns self-improvement, you really don't have to do much else.
 
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