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2012-02-20 10:03:32 PM
Frank Zappa, Les Claypool, David Bowie, and Neil Peart all walk into a recording studio.

The world ends in the oddest noise.
 
2012-02-20 10:11:00 PM
Who the hell bleeps out "masturbation?"
 
2012-02-20 10:14:36 PM
Zappa died in '93. I think they were a bit touchier about the word back when the interview was taped
 
2012-02-21 12:45:44 AM
Frank Zappa explains the decline of the music industry. Hero tag has a jam session with Spiffy the bassist, Cool on keys and Obvious keeping time on drums

Silly on xylos/percussion, Boobies on winds, and Steve Vai on back-up guitar.

/I'd pay to see it
//and Walken on cowbell
///50/50 has my favorite solos, if only for the odd instrumentation
 
2012-02-21 12:54:58 AM

Relatively Obscure: Who the hell bleeps out "masturbation?"


Is that what they were bleeping out? That's what I thought at first too, but then I thought that that couldn't be it, because I hear people say "masturbation" in the media every single week.

Different times, different sensibilities, I suppose.
 
2012-02-21 03:17:06 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Zappa died in '93. I think they were a bit touchier about the word back when the interview was taped


He signed his book for me in 92, I believe it was at 8th and 6th ave. in the village. He was a visionary in his day. I listened to Frank for most of my growing up.... which could explain a few things.
/went to all his Halloween nights at the Palladium in the 70's
 
Skr
2012-02-21 05:24:47 AM
Wish I would have gotten see a Zappa show. Sadly I was born a wee bit late -_- Really enjoy his music and he always came across as a very intelligent man in interviews like this.

/For weirdgeniusyness I have to rely on things like Ween these days.
//Watch out where the huskies go
 
2012-02-21 06:13:02 AM
Zappa was cool; however, I've tried to appreciate his music for years and I have failed.
 
2012-02-21 07:17:36 AM
The 80's was truly a sucky time in music, and per Frank's prediction, it didn't get much better going forward.

/I'm talking to you Nickelback, and all the soundalikes, too....
 
2012-02-21 07:27:20 AM
Did we get a flash clip of some woman's crotch? While she Masturb----? Or gives birth?
 
2012-02-21 07:28:50 AM
An' it's a song that ah, deals with the possible variations on
a basic theme which is...well,
You understand what a basic theme is.
And then the variations include ah, manoeuvres that might be
executed with the aid of ah, extra-terrestrial gratification
and devices which might or might not be supplied in a local
department store or perhaps a drugstore but at very least in
one of those fancy new shops that they advertise in the
back-pages of the free press.
This song suggests to the suggestible listener that the
ordinary procedure ah,
That I am circumlocuting at this present time in order to get
this text on television,
Is that ah, if you wanna do something other than what you
thought you were gonna do when you first took your clothes off
and you just happened to have some DEVICES around...
Then it's, it's not only okay to get into the
PARAPHERNALIA of it all but...Hey!
What did he say? Ready?
 
2012-02-21 07:34:17 AM

FDR Jones: Zappa was cool; however, I've tried to appreciate his music for years and I have failed.


Ok, so I'm not the only one...
 
2012-02-21 08:00:53 AM

germ78: Frank Zappa explains the decline of the music industry. Hero tag has a jam session with Spiffy the bassist, Cool on keys and Obvious keeping time on drums

Silly on xylos/percussion, Boobies on winds, and Steve Vai on back-up stunt guitar.

/I'd pay to see it
//and Walken on cowbell
///50/50 has my favorite solos, if only for the odd instrumentation


Had to FTFY
 
2012-02-21 08:07:32 AM

Goonie_Goo_Goo: FDR Jones: Zappa was cool; however, I've tried to appreciate his music for years and I have failed.

Ok, so I'm not the only one...


Nope. I can see the ability, but the final product does nothing for me.
 
2012-02-21 08:10:00 AM
Spliffy is on bass.
 
zez
2012-02-21 08:12:02 AM

GetaLife: germ78: Frank Zappa explains the decline of the music industry. Hero tag has a jam session with Spiffy the bassist, Cool on keys and Obvious keeping time on drums

Silly on xylos/percussion, Boobies on winds, and Steve Vai on back-up stunt impossible guitar parts.

/I'd pay to see it
//and Walken on cowbell
///50/50 has my favorite solos, if only for the odd instrumentation

Had to FTFY


FIFY
 
2012-02-21 08:14:36 AM
She looked over at me with a glazed eye and some bovine perspiration on her upper lip area and she said:
 
zez
2012-02-21 08:18:10 AM

ChubbyTiger: Goonie_Goo_Goo: FDR Jones: Zappa was cool; however, I've tried to appreciate his music for years and I have failed.

Ok, so I'm not the only one...

Nope. I can see the ability, but the final product does nothing for me.


I have to agree that some of his music is much more listenable than others and in a way I'm glad he died before he could release another synclaver album. I'm sure the theory he had going in his head was entertaining as hell for him but that shiat was pretty much unlistenable.
 
2012-02-21 08:24:44 AM

kingflower: An' it's a song that ah, deals with the possible variations on
a basic theme which is...well,
You understand what a basic theme is.
And then the variations include ah, manoeuvres that might be
executed with the aid of ah, extra-terrestrial gratification
and devices which might or might not be supplied in a local
department store or perhaps a drugstore but at very least in
one of those fancy new shops that they advertise in the
back-pages of the free press.
This song suggests to the suggestible listener that the
ordinary procedure ah,
That I am circumlocuting at this present time in order to get
this text on television,
Is that ah, if you wanna do something other than what you
thought you were gonna do when you first took your clothes off
and you just happened to have some DEVICES around...
Then it's, it's not only okay to get into the
PARAPHERNALIA of it all but...Hey!
What did he say? Ready?


She's just like a penguin on bondage....BOIIIING!
Way over on the wet side of the bed.
 
2012-02-21 08:28:45 AM

ChubbyTiger: Goonie_Goo_Goo: FDR Jones: Zappa was cool; however, I've tried to appreciate his music for years and I have failed.

Ok, so I'm not the only one...

Nope. I can see the ability, but the final product does nothing for me.


It's not for everyone. Often times it's a matter of what you happen to hear that makes the difference. I'd suggest "Hot Rats", "Zoot Allures", or "One Size Fits All" or the "Shut Up And Play Your Guitar" series as basic primers since those are relatively accessible. If those don't do it for you, FZ music simply isn't for you.
 
2012-02-21 09:04:07 AM

zappaisfrank: ChubbyTiger: Goonie_Goo_Goo: FDR Jones: Zappa was cool; however, I've tried to appreciate his music for years and I have failed.

Ok, so I'm not the only one...

Nope. I can see the ability, but the final product does nothing for me.

It's not for everyone. Often times it's a matter of what you happen to hear that makes the difference. I'd suggest "Hot Rats", "Zoot Allures", or "One Size Fits All" or the "Shut Up And Play Your Guitar" series as basic primers since those are relatively accessible. If those don't do it for you, FZ music simply isn't for you.


Yup...."Hot Rats" is teh awesome.
 
2012-02-21 09:26:07 AM

ChubbyTiger: Goonie_Goo_Goo: FDR Jones: Zappa was cool; however, I've tried to appreciate his music for years and I have failed.

Ok, so I'm not the only one...

Nope. I can see the ability, but the final product does nothing for me.


You have to take it on a case by case basis. A vast majority I can't listen to, but there are pieces here and there that make you go 'Wow.'

Plus anybody willing to mock Yoko Ono, on stage, in front of John Lennon, is a hero in my book.

Link (Just watch the last 2 minutes, unless you have a high Yoko tolerence)
 
2012-02-21 09:49:47 AM
Roxy and Elsewhere is a good place to start.
 
2012-02-21 09:52:19 AM
Make A Jazz Noise Here is also good for starters
 
2012-02-21 09:53:47 AM

Crewmannumber6: ChubbyTiger: Goonie_Goo_Goo: FDR Jones: Zappa was cool; however, I've tried to appreciate his music for years and I have failed.

Ok, so I'm not the only one...

Nope. I can see the ability, but the final product does nothing for me.

You have to take it on a case by case basis. A vast majority I can't listen to, but there are pieces here and there that make you go 'Wow.'

Plus anybody willing to mock Yoko Ono, on stage, in front of John Lennon, is a hero in my book.


Yeah, his music leaves me cold at times, but he's been a personal hero for most of my adult life.

I thought the article was going to be his classic 1984 speech to the American Society of University Composers (ASUC) which started off with Frank saying he wasn't a member of the organization, couldn't understand why he was invited to speak, that he thought most of what passed off as "serious" music was crap, and in fact that most university composers were hacks who were hired simply because they fit the mold of what university administrators (who were themselves a bunch of corporate criminals) thought a composer should look like. He closed by saying they should change their name from ASUC to WE-SUCK and walked off the stage.

The transcript is in "The Real Frank Zappa Book" and I've been praying to Geebus that a video shows up on YouTube some day.

Frank Zappa is dead yet Justin Beiber sells in the millions. No justice in this universe, I tells ya.

/plus he called Bob Dornan an "asshole" on national TV
 
2012-02-21 09:59:03 AM

KingKauff: kingflower: An' it's a song that ah, deals with the possible variations on
a basic theme which is...well,
You understand what a basic theme is.
And then the variations include ah, manoeuvres that might be
executed with the aid of ah, extra-terrestrial gratification
and devices which might or might not be supplied in a local
department store or perhaps a drugstore but at very least in
one of those fancy new shops that they advertise in the
back-pages of the free press.
This song suggests to the suggestible listener that the
ordinary procedure ah,
That I am circumlocuting at this present time in order to get
this text on television,
Is that ah, if you wanna do something other than what you
thought you were gonna do when you first took your clothes off
and you just happened to have some DEVICES around...
Then it's, it's not only okay to get into the
PARAPHERNALIA of it all but...Hey!
What did he say? Ready?

She's just like a penguin on bondage....BOIIIING!
Way over on the wet side of the bed.


Flappin' her eight ounce wings, flappinumm.

/Whipping pooooooost!
 
2012-02-21 10:05:21 AM

ChubbyTiger: Goonie_Goo_Goo: FDR Jones: Zappa was cool; however, I've tried to appreciate his music for years and I have failed.

Ok, so I'm not the only one...

Nope. I can see the ability, but the final product does nothing for me.


I can see not liking a lot of his music. But if you can listen to "Watermelon in Easter Hay" and not be moved, there's something wrong with you.
 
zez
2012-02-21 10:09:54 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: ChubbyTiger: Goonie_Goo_Goo: FDR Jones: Zappa was cool; however, I've tried to appreciate his music for years and I have failed.

Ok, so I'm not the only one...

Nope. I can see the ability, but the final product does nothing for me.

I can see not liking a lot of his music. But if you can listen to "Watermelon in Easter Hay" and not be moved, there's something wrong with you.


Pink napkins is good too.
 
2012-02-21 10:09:55 AM

Metal: Did we get a flash clip of some woman's crotch? While she Masturb----? Or gives birth?




I thought I saw that. They bleep "ass" and "masturbation", but slip in a shot of some woman's hairy hoohah.
 
2012-02-21 10:16:42 AM
Apostrophe/Overnight Sensation is what got me hooked. I second most of the other recommendations above for introductory albums.

I was just starting to get interested in him when he died. It would have been awesome to have seen him live.
 
2012-02-21 10:22:44 AM

fzumrk: Apostrophe/Overnight Sensation is what got me hooked


That's the album I always suggest to folks new to FZ. Easily the most accessible album he ever recorded.
 
2012-02-21 10:32:52 AM
The fact that you don't need a studio to record an album might have something to do with it.
 
2012-02-21 10:43:39 AM
Crewmannumber6

ChubbyTiger: Goonie_Goo_Goo: FDR Jones: Zappa was cool; however, I've tried to appreciate his music for years and I have failed.

Ok, so I'm not the only one...

Nope. I can see the ability, but the final product does nothing for me.

You have to take it on a case by case basis. A vast majority I can't listen to, but there are pieces here and there that make you go 'Wow.'

Plus anybody willing to mock Yoko Ono, on stage, in front of John Lennon, is a hero in my book.

Link (Just watch the last 2 minutes, unless you have a high Yoko tolerence)


I have seen that show several times....just where does FZ mock Yoko? I don't see it.
 
2012-02-21 11:04:42 AM
www.dangerousminds.net

Favorite Zappa moment. Monkees is zee craziest people!
 
2012-02-21 11:06:51 AM
Frank was a brilliant guy and the world is a little suckier without him in it.

It's cool if you don't dig his music... different strokes & all that. I do enjoy the majority of it, some more than others. My personal top 5 Zappa albums:

1) Hot Rats
2) Zoot Allures
3) One Size Fits All
4) Joe's Garage
5) Apostrophe/Over-Nite Sensation

I'm one of the very few weirdos who actually like "Sleep Dirt", "Studio Tan" & "Jazz From Hell". What can I say? I'm a freak.
 
2012-02-21 11:27:50 AM
Let's not forget to blame the Radio stations. When was the last time you called a radio station and requested a song not in the current top 20 and they played it? Or how about a requesting a different song from an artisit who has a current top 20. They don;t take requests from listeners anymore.

/before you start saying so and so station does, keep in mind you probably listen to a small time channel with a very specific target audience.
 
2012-02-21 11:52:43 AM

Crewmannumber6: Link (Just watch the last 2 minutes, unless you have a high Yoko tolerence)


There's really not so much difference between the kind of noises Yoko was making here and the kind of noises Frank had Motorhead Sherwood coax out of his saxophone a couple years prior.
 
2012-02-21 12:11:21 PM
Frank Zappa was an incredibly intelligent man who nonetheless made some infuriatingly selfish and stupid decisions. I'm half tempted to make a series of Scumbag Steve image macros about him.

THE PMRC IS A THREAT TO FREE SPEECH
WIFE IS BEST FRIENDS WITH TIPPER GORE

I DON'T DO DRUGS
STEADY DIET OF COFFEE AND MARLBOROS

GEORGE DUKE, WANNA JOIN MY BAND?
MAKES HIM PLAY TROMBONE
 
2012-02-21 12:44:22 PM
Jazz Discharge Party Hats
 
2012-02-21 01:00:29 PM

karnal: I have seen that show several times....just where does FZ mock Yoko? I don't see it.


In the last 2 minutes he's directing the band to weail out of tune along with Yoko whenever she sings. I've seen versions of this performance where Lennon turns around and gives everyone in the band the finger at the end.
 
2012-02-21 01:01:53 PM

ChubbyTiger: Goonie_Goo_Goo: FDR Jones: Zappa was cool; however, I've tried to appreciate his music for years and I have failed.

Ok, so I'm not the only one...

Nope. I can see the ability, but the final product does nothing for me.


OTOH it inspired the Czech revolutionairies to keep the flame of defiance alive during the Soviet occupation and eventually reclaim their country
(new window), so there's that at least
 
2012-02-21 01:20:34 PM
I think the Zappa albums "You are what you is" and "Sheik Yerbouti" are fairly accessible to new Zappa listeners, as well as some of the others listed above (especially "Apostrophe/Overnite Sensation").

/and 'Zappa in New York' is currently my favorite live album of his
//titties and beer, titties and beer, titties and beer, titties and beer, titties and beer, titties and beer, titties and beer, titties and beer...
 
2012-02-21 01:22:41 PM

germ78:
///50/50 has my favorite solos, if only for the odd instrumentation


Then get a load of THIS POOP (new window)
 
2012-02-21 01:33:51 PM

Crewmannumber6: karnal: I have seen that show several times....just where does FZ mock Yoko? I don't see it.

In the last 2 minutes he's directing the band to weail out of tune along with Yoko whenever she sings. I've seen versions of this performance where Lennon turns around and gives everyone in the band the finger at the end.


Actually, the dis on Yoko came during the song "Scumbag". Howard and Mark (Flo And Eddie) started singing "Put Yoko in a scumbag" and then they got a big white bag of some sort and put her in it, whereupon she danced and flailed around in it for a few minutes.

The Lennons, not being familiar with American slang, had no idea "scumbag" was another word for a condom. They didn't actually find this out until after the event. They were not pleased.

Per their agreement, both FZ and Lennon were allowed to release their own versions of the recording of the event. Lennon's was released with a re-do of the Mothers "Filmore East" album with everything scribbled out and their own comments hand written over the top, plus ALL of Flo And Eddie's vocals were mixed out of the recording. Lennon also renamed and took writing credit for the piece "King Kong".

FZ corrected the song credit, restored Flo And Eddie's vocals and restored other Lennon made edits when he released it as "Playground Psychotics", also retitling Yoko's piece at the end "A Small Eternity With Yoko Ono".
 
2012-02-21 01:45:56 PM

zappaisfrank: also retitling Yoko's piece at the end "A Small Eternity With Yoko Ono".


I think this could have been the title for any song featuring Yoko Ono.
 
2012-02-21 01:48:16 PM

zappaisfrank: Crewmannumber6: karnal: I have seen that show several times....just where does FZ mock Yoko? I don't see it.

In the last 2 minutes he's directing the band to weail out of tune along with Yoko whenever she sings. I've seen versions of this performance where Lennon turns around and gives everyone in the band the finger at the end.

Actually, the dis on Yoko came during the song "Scumbag". Howard and Mark (Flo And Eddie) started singing "Put Yoko in a scumbag" and then they got a big white bag of some sort and put her in it, whereupon she danced and flailed around in it for a few minutes.

The Lennons, not being familiar with American slang, had no idea "scumbag" was another word for a condom. They didn't actually find this out until after the event. They were not pleased.


I saw an interview with Flo and Eddie where they mentioned, among other things, that the scumbag thing was influenced by Yoko's idiotic "bagism" art project:

www.calwatchdog.com

I wish I had been able to see one of the shows at either the Fillmore or the Palladium. Man, talk about a cultural moment.

/too poor at the time
 
2012-02-21 01:53:40 PM

rocinante721: germ78:
///50/50 has my favorite solos, if only for the odd instrumentation

Then get a load of THIS POOP (new window)


Nice. Frank always had a way of getting the best musicians at the top of their game. Some of the interviews with the musicians on the Zappa Plays Zappa DVD describe the audition process as being the audition from hell.

/still love the use of the pipe organ and electric violin on the album version
 
2012-02-21 02:11:20 PM
Video won't load on my phone. Anyone give me a rundown?

I've never listened to Zappa, saw some starters in here but thought I'd ask again anyway.

Also, radio sucks dog rectum in Dallas. Can anyone recommend a way to pipe an mp3 player into my car if the factory stereo doesn't have jacks, and I can't get the little transmitter/tuner things they sell to work around here (too much interference, have to swap its station 3-4 times on a 20 minute drive). I don't want to replace the stereo unless I need to. I'm cheap.
 
2012-02-21 02:25:55 PM

fzumrk: Apostrophe/Overnight Sensation is what got me hooked. I second most of the other recommendations above for introductory albums.

I was just starting to get interested in him when he died. It would have been awesome to have seen him live.


Exact same two albums for me. I didn't first get into Zappa until the early 00s though - much too late to every know a living Zappa (I'm 26 for reference).
 
2012-02-21 02:30:05 PM

zappaisfrank: The Lennons, not being familiar with American slang, had no idea "scumbag" was another word for a condom. They didn't actually find this out until after the event. They were not pleased.


I'm 52 years old and have lived in America for about 50 1/2 of them, and I have never heard a condom called a scumbag until just now. Just sayin
 
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