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(LA Times)   Family of sexually abused Boy Scout is suing the Boy Scouts of America after being told not to report the crime to the police because "those things are handled internally"   (latimesblogs.latimes.com) divider line 93
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2012-02-20 11:13:29 PM  
6 votes:
Anyone who told me not to report my childs abuse would be lucky if my rage stopped at knocking the teeth out of their farking hypocritical mouth.
2012-02-20 07:48:19 PM  
6 votes:
In addition to unspecified damages, the lawsuit seeks an order compelling the Scouts to hand over thousands of confidential files detailing allegations of sexual abuse by Scout leaders and others around the nation.

Depending on the state, Boy Scout adult leaders are mandated reporters. So anyone who had knowledge of any abuse, or anything in these files, needs PMITA time.

FARK the culture of hiding child sexual abuse. No farking more. No more. Catholic, Boy Scout, whatever.
2012-02-20 11:22:43 PM  
5 votes:

Mikey1969: What a shame... The Boy Scouts are a great organization, you learn a lot of skills and have a lot of fun(Yeah, I'm aware of how many different jokes everyone can make here), and then you get shiat like this.

I hate to say it, but I think the strong religion tie-in is why they try and sweep this kind of stuff under the rug, they hate homosexuality with a passion, so when it happens in their house, the only prudent solution(To them, anyway), is to hide it from the outside world so that nobody knows that this great strong organization might have(Shudder....) GAY PEOPLE!!!

I DO understand their ban on gay Scout Leaders though, it's the same as allowing men to take Girl Scouts on their camping trips.

Sad thing is that they'll never fix this, they'll continue to deny that there is a problem, more resentment will build, and the issues will keep occurring...


I do not. Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same thing. There is no statistical data to show that a gay man is more likely to molest a boy than a straight male will molest a girl, and these same people who refuse to let homosexuals into the BSA have no qualms about letting male teachers teach their daughters or let women teach their sons in school.
2012-02-20 11:11:35 PM  
5 votes:

Mikey1969: I DO understand their ban on gay Scout Leaders though, it's the same as allowing men to take Girl Scouts on their camping trips.


You are retarded.
2012-02-20 09:47:43 PM  
5 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: [southparkstudios-intl.mtvnimages.com image 480x360]

Can handle this "internally?" SSSUPERRRRR!!!


Remember, though, that Big Gay Al was actually a good scoutmaster. It was the authoritarian, masculine, self-identified heterosexual scout master who molested the boys.
2012-02-20 06:32:38 PM  
4 votes:
So the Boy Scouts of America are now part of the Roman Catholic Church, or just another division of NAMBLA?
2012-02-21 12:56:35 AM  
3 votes:
While the BSA was swearing in the Supreme Court that it was essential to their very existence that they be able to exclude filthy pervert gay scoutmasters (like James Dale, who had never even been suspected of inappropriate behavior with a scout), the married churchgoing father who was the BSA executive in charge of national programs, Douglas S. Smith Jr., was trafficking in child pornography.

Yes, BSA - you have a problem. No, it's not teh gheys.
2012-02-21 12:03:56 AM  
3 votes:
The commonality between the Boy Scouts and the Catholic church altar boys is that in both situations you have a group of just males. Why segregate scouting by sex? I did scouting in Sweden, and it was just a group of kids. They don't have Boy Scout or Girl Scouts, just scouts.

I mean, believe it or not, males and females both come from Earth. We might as well learn to scout the planet together. And I can't quite articulate how, but separating by sex seems to almost make sex more important than it is, and it probably attracts people who value that, in the same way some people seem to have a fetish for an all-girls Catholic boarding school.
2012-02-21 12:02:00 AM  
3 votes:
That's a pretty impressive trolling, brainyblonde. You dabble a bit into the "It didn't happen to my son, so I don't care what happens to other people's kids" and plausibly swerve into the "It didn't happen to my son, therefore it doesn't happen to anyone", and then you follow it up with a general insult aimed at pretty much everyone. You've been practicing.

I wouldn't take that as praise, though. Trolling is the internet equivalent of a prosthesis for a missing personality. It's what people resort to when they have no option, when they want to be witty, clever, and original, all without realizing they fail badly at all three. Trolling is merely a carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of something that may have been amusing the one time.
2012-02-20 11:30:28 PM  
3 votes:
Mock26: I do not. Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same thing. There is no statistical data to show that a gay man is more likely to molest a boy than a straight male will molest a girl, and these same people who refuse to let homosexuals into the BSA have no qualms about letting male teachers teach their daughters or let women teach their sons in school.

This. Scientific studies have actually proven that homosexual men are at no greater propensity to molest childen than heterosexual men.

Pedophilia and homosexuality have nothing in common.
2012-02-20 11:29:12 PM  
3 votes:

SparkyMcFarksalot: It seemed to be OK with the media that all "Occupy" rapes were handled internally with out the involvement of the police. How is this different?

/meh


[citation needed]
2012-02-20 11:16:14 PM  
3 votes:
FTA: He was put on probation but later went to prison after authorities found pictures of nude children on his cellphone data card. Stein's criminal case is closed.

Wait, wait wait...

Actual molestation of kids=probation but...

Softcore kiddie porn=jail time?

I'm not defending having pictures of nude children on your cellphone, but shouldn't the doing get you in more trouble than the thoughtcrime?
2012-02-20 11:08:04 PM  
3 votes:
What a shame... The Boy Scouts are a great organization, you learn a lot of skills and have a lot of fun(Yeah, I'm aware of how many different jokes everyone can make here), and then you get shiat like this.

I hate to say it, but I think the strong religion tie-in is why they try and sweep this kind of stuff under the rug, they hate homosexuality with a passion, so when it happens in their house, the only prudent solution(To them, anyway), is to hide it from the outside world so that nobody knows that this great strong organization might have(Shudder....) GAY PEOPLE!!!

I DO understand their ban on gay Scout Leaders though, it's the same as allowing men to take Girl Scouts on their camping trips.

Sad thing is that they'll never fix this, they'll continue to deny that there is a problem, more resentment will build, and the issues will keep occurring...
2012-02-20 11:04:09 PM  
3 votes:

dittybopper:
Not only are they mandated reporters, but not reporting it to the authorities is contrary to Boy Scouts of America policy. When you join as an adult leader, you have to take an online training course (with a test at the end) that specifically mentions that you *HAVE* to report that kind of stuff to both the leadership *AND* the proper authorities.

Given that policy, I don't think the lawsuit will succeed, because whoever said that violated BSA policy.


This. I had to go through that training in 1989 and again in 1991 when I worked at a BSA council camp, and calling the cops was part of the policy even back then. If the council exec said that he deserves whatever comes his way.

Oh, and whoever said the Boy Scouts have been hijacked by the Catholic Church, get it right. They've been hijacked by the Mormons.
2012-02-20 10:58:07 PM  
3 votes:
Listen lady, while I agree with your suit.... Christ, you don't have to do what they say. YOU call the police. Like, right away. Like first thing. Like, BEFORE you even TALK to the Boy Scouts. Why the fark would you even go to them first?
2012-02-21 03:31:22 PM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: I DO understand their ban on gay Scout Leaders though, it's the same as allowing men to take Girl Scouts on their camping trips.


Gay people don't rape Boy Scouts. Pedophiles do. By the way, the GSUSA does allow men to take Girl Scouts on camping trips. Likewise, the BSA allows women to take Boy Scouts on camping trips. Having been a Boy Scout and a Scouter from 1988 to 2002, and having worked for the BSA as my first place of employment from 1997 to 2000, my opinion about the politics of Scouting has remained the same: Nothing's going to change until the bozos at National in Irving, TX aren't two or three generations removed from the boots on the ground and are willing to piss off every big donor but the Mormon Church. Thankfully, almost all individual units, and most of the local councils, already realize this and largely allow common sense and decency override what Irving or SLC thinks.
2012-02-21 12:41:05 PM  
2 votes:
Coming in to this thread a little late, but figured I'd add some stuff anyway.

Speaking as one of the many Eagle Scouts who also happens to be gay...

I remember when the 2-deep policy went into place actually. Wasn't long after one of the much older and married Scoutmasters molested a kid in one of the "Disability accessible" troops molested one of his charges. (It wasn't much of a surprise when I found out about it, it actually explained a few things I'd picked up on as being the quiet scout who tended to listen around corners. Or the time my Scoutmaster and I drove to the Council's summer camp to ensure the dirty leader wasn't alone with two of the scouts from my troop who were up there as part of a weekend care taking gig.) Our troop tried to keep it 3 deep as much as we could for that reason.

And yes, even then, the molestation was kept quiet. Like I said, I knew because I listened.

Also, I'd like to point out most of the issues we had were things more common to NPO's, like people stealing funds.
2012-02-21 11:22:33 AM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: ciberido: Mikey1969: I DO understand their ban on gay Scout Leaders though, it's the same as allowing men to take Girl Scouts on their camping trips.

No, it's really not.

It really is, but that's OK that you don't understand. I can see that you're 'special' and I am impressed that you've made enough progress to use the internet. Baby steps, as they say. Baby steps...


Dude, no offense, but you come across as a HUGE AHole when you type. Seriously, any point you tried to make was lost on your juvenile and pointless insults. Wow, you win the internets, congrats tough guy!
2012-02-21 08:58:59 AM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: Not only are they mandated reporters, but not reporting it to the authorities is contrary to Boy Scouts of America policy. When you join as an adult leader, you have to take an online training course (with a test at the end) that specifically mentions that you *HAVE* to report that kind of stuff to both the leadership *AND* the proper authorities.

Given that policy, I don't think the lawsuit will succeed, because whoever said that violated BSA policy.


... unless said policy is lip service only, and is not actually enforced. And since the BSA apparently has more than 10,000 internal, but unreported records of child abuse by former and current scout leaders, it sounds like this alleged "policy" won't defend them.
2012-02-21 04:27:36 AM  
2 votes:

PeregrineBF: With a group of mixed-sex children, both SP and HP are likely to molest the kids. So excluding homosexuals from being leaders makes no sense.
With a group of one-sex children, SP of the opposite sex and HP of the same sex will be likely to molest the kids. So it makes sense to exclude all members of the opposite sex, along with all same-sex homosexuals. This reduces the population of potential molesters to those that manage to hide their desires. If the population of SNP is sufficiently large molestation rates will decrease, with little change in the availability of good leaders.

The question is if set SP really exists, or if paedophiles are generally gender-indiscriminate. If the second is the case then excluding homosexuals is not justified. It seems likely (from several other cases of paedophiles preying only on children of one sex) that SP does exist.


WTF?

You just said the variables were independant. It doesn't make sense to exclude anyone based on your criteria, and even less if you take into account that a pedo of any orientation may well present as hetero NP.
2012-02-21 02:41:58 AM  
2 votes:

gmpilot: GungFu: BronyMedic: Mock26: I do not. Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same thing. There is no statistical data to show that a gay man is more likely to molest a boy than a straight male will molest a girl, and these same people who refuse to let homosexuals into the BSA have no qualms about letting male teachers teach their daughters or let women teach their sons in school.

This. Scientific studies have actually proven that homosexual men are at no greater propensity to molest childen than heterosexual men.

Pedophilia and homosexuality have nothing in common.


Unless it's homosexual pedofiles, of course.

I would actually be surprised if it wasn't much lower in homosexual men because they seem to have far less of a problem getting ass. I imagine for many heterosexual molesters they are not only repressing their pedophilia and have no outlet, but also seem to not be very attractive or successful and/or have the most active sex life in general. I would have a hard time believing that most pedophiles are ONLY attracted to little kids; they are just an easier group to target.



I think you're probably wrong about that. Pedophiles have an abnormal attraction to a very particular kind of body. Children aren't just a convenient sexual outlet, it is what a pedophile is most attracted to.

Homosexuality or heterosexuality have almost nothing at all to do with pedophilia. In fact, pedophiles have by far the highest male-female crossover in victimology compared to any other sex offender, because pre-pubescent kids have almost no adult features. Male and female children's bodies and even faces are much more similar to each other than even pubescent kids, even to the point that childrens skeletons cannot be positively sexed by an anthropologist until they are about 15 years old. One does not generally categorize a pedophile as homosexual or heterosexual -- pedophile is like a 3rd sexual preference of its own.

Note that not all child molesters would be clinically diagnosed as a pedophile, but a majority of them would, especially in the case of very young kids (under 12 or so).
2012-02-21 02:06:33 AM  
2 votes:

gmpilot: GungFu: BronyMedic: Mock26: I do not. Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same thing. There is no statistical data to show that a gay man is more likely to molest a boy than a straight male will molest a girl, and these same people who refuse to let homosexuals into the BSA have no qualms about letting male teachers teach their daughters or let women teach their sons in school.

This. Scientific studies have actually proven that homosexual men are at no greater propensity to molest childen than heterosexual men.

Pedophilia and homosexuality have nothing in common.


Unless it's homosexual pedofiles, of course.

I would actually be surprised if it wasn't much lower in homosexual men because they seem to have far less of a problem getting ass. I imagine for many heterosexual molesters they are not only repressing their pedophilia and have no outlet, but also seem to not be very attractive or successful and/or have the most active sex life in general. I would have a hard time believing that most pedophiles are ONLY attracted to little kids; they are just an easier group to target.


And to further complicate things:

It's probably not accurate to describe true paedophiles (that is, people with sexual attractions to pre-pubescent kids) as heterosexual OR homosexual--more properly, they should be seen as a "pedosexual" category OUTSIDE of sexual orientations towards adults. This is because many psychologists studying sexual disorders are coming to the conclusion that paedophilia is not a "paraphilia" but a distinct sexual orientation...and, unfortunately (in this case), it's about as impossible to "de-pedobear" a true paedophile as it is to "degay" someone. About the only things that have been found effective longterm in treating true paedophiles involve chemical or literal castration and explicit "celibacy cognitive therapy" to teach them to keep their urges to molest kids under control--and even with that, there's still a VERY high recidivism rate.

(For those unaware--"paraphilias" are sexual attractions to things not normally sexualised; many paraphilias would fall under what we term "sexual fetishes". The psychological mechanisms for paraphilias work differently than for true sexual orientations, and treatment is very different between the two. Complicating things is that paedophilia is one of two sexual orientations (the other being zoophilia) that implicitly involve sexual orientations towards parties that are inherently unable to consent and--unlike same-sex attractions to adult partners or even most paraphilias--CAN be legitimately seen as inherently dangerous.)

Unfortunately, true paedophiles do have a tendency to try to worm their way into trusted positions with children, and generally orgs that deal with children (such as the clergy, Scouting orgs, childcare centers, and so on) don't exactly require their members to have tests for "pedosexual orientation" because those tests don't really exist outside of research settings dealing with pedophiles :P
2012-02-21 02:00:06 AM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: smask: They sue the journalists that writes about Mormon pedo Boy scout leaders. (new window)

Yeah, it must mean all Mormons are bad.

Blanket statements keep you warm in the winter, there's always that.


Well they do believe gays aren't real people, so makes them pretty awful.
2012-02-20 11:56:30 PM  
2 votes:

brainyblonde: I have (for the grammar police) been a lurker, until now, and your broad brush can paint your butt-hurt how you typically tend do it around here (but, many of you look sooooo stupid in your "artwork").


No, sorry, that still doesn't make any sense as a sentence. Would you like a third attempt?
2012-02-20 11:29:56 PM  
2 votes:
The judge ordered the lawyers not to disclose the files publicly. Known as "ineligible volunteer files," the documents have been maintained since the 1920s and are intended to keep suspected molesters and others accused of misconduct out of Scouting.

Good lord, those files must read like an alternative history of skeezy, diddling America.
2012-02-20 11:24:25 PM  
2 votes:
It seemed to be OK with the media that all "Occupy" rapes were handled internally with out the involvement of the police. How is this different?

/meh
2012-02-20 11:24:22 PM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: SAME FARKING SEX.


Because all gays are child molesters.

I see where you're coming from now.

It has nothing to do with someone being a sick fark, it's all about their sexual orientation.
2012-02-20 11:20:05 PM  
2 votes:
As long as there are no gays or atheists, though.
2012-02-20 11:13:00 PM  
2 votes:

buzzcut73: Oh, and whoever said the Boy Scouts have been hijacked by the Catholic Church, get it right. They've been hijacked by the Mormons.


Which leads to some interesting possibilities for future revelations.
But I merely speculate libellously without particular evidence....
2012-02-20 11:12:04 PM  
2 votes:
I DO understand their ban on gay Scout Leaders though, it's the same as allowing men to take Girl Scouts on their camping trips.

When I was in girl scouts we often had leader's husbands come along. No big deal.
2012-02-20 11:09:34 PM  
2 votes:

Forty-Two: Lionel Mandrake: [southparkstudios-intl.mtvnimages.com image 480x360]

Can handle this "internally?" SSSUPERRRRR!!!

Remember, though, that Big Gay Al was actually a good scoutmaster. It was the authoritarian, masculine, self-identified heterosexual scout master who molested the boys.


This.

/do we still say that?
2012-02-20 10:10:08 PM  
2 votes:

namegoeshere: In addition to unspecified damages, the lawsuit seeks an order compelling the Scouts to hand over thousands of confidential files detailing allegations of sexual abuse by Scout leaders and others around the nation.

Depending on the state, Boy Scout adult leaders are mandated reporters. So anyone who had knowledge of any abuse, or anything in these files, needs PMITA time.

FARK the culture of hiding child sexual abuse. No farking more. No more. Catholic, Boy Scout, whatever.


What I find most appalling is that there are so many organizations that institutionalize this shiat. And it goes on for YEARS. Yet we see stories here daily about a teacher boffing a 15 year old and doing hard time. Situations like this are far more damaging and atrocious. Why can't we be as diligent with these people?
2012-02-20 09:09:36 PM  
2 votes:

namegoeshere: In addition to unspecified damages, the lawsuit seeks an order compelling the Scouts to hand over thousands of confidential files detailing allegations of sexual abuse by Scout leaders and others around the nation.

Depending on the state, Boy Scout adult leaders are mandated reporters. So anyone who had knowledge of any abuse, or anything in these files, needs PMITA time.

FARK the culture of hiding child sexual abuse. No farking more. No more. Catholic, Boy Scout, whatever.


Not only are they mandated reporters, but not reporting it to the authorities is contrary to Boy Scouts of America policy. When you join as an adult leader, you have to take an online training course (with a test at the end) that specifically mentions that you *HAVE* to report that kind of stuff to both the leadership *AND* the proper authorities.

Given that policy, I don't think the lawsuit will succeed, because whoever said that violated BSA policy.
2012-02-20 07:49:43 PM  
2 votes:

namegoeshere: In addition to unspecified damages, the lawsuit seeks an order compelling the Scouts to hand over thousands of confidential files detailing allegations of sexual abuse by Scout leaders and others around the nation.

Depending on the state, Boy Scout adult leaders are mandated reporters. So anyone who had knowledge of any abuse, or anything in these files, needs PMITA time.

FARK the culture of hiding child sexual abuse. No farking more. No more. Catholic, Boy Scout, whatever.


And who did not report to POLICE (not the boy scouts)...
2012-02-20 07:44:15 PM  
2 votes:
"those things are handled internally"


So...Many..Jokes....so many jokes....cannot process...
2012-02-20 07:02:32 PM  
2 votes:
So, men involved in professions and activities which carry inherent levels of trust from the community while allowing them to exercise power over children in unsupervised situations tend to rape and molest their charges in disproportionate numbers. And then hide it.

Color me shocked.
2012-02-22 02:00:40 PM  
1 votes:

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Benevolent Misanthrope: So, men involved in professions and activities which carry inherent levels of trust from the community while allowing them to exercise power over children in unsupervised situations tend to rape and molest their charges in disproportionate numbers. And then hide it.

Color me shocked.

FYI
Current BSA youth protection policy does not allow for less than 2 adult leaders with any number of kids at any time. Never less than 2 adults.
Unsupervised contact of any sort with kids is against the rules.


Well, yeah,you need someone else to call the kid a liar after you've both abused him...duh


/aisle seat
2012-02-21 05:48:58 PM  
1 votes:

Baloo Uriza: teto85: So the Boy Scouts of America are now part of the Roman Catholic Church, or just another division of NAMBLA?

Worse than both combined. The Mormons are involved.


What percentage of troops are sponsored by the mormons? And what percentage of the executive leadership is mormon?
2012-02-21 04:04:16 PM  
1 votes:

swingerofbirches: Why segregate scouting by sex? I did scouting in Sweden, and it was just a group of kids. They don't have Boy Scout or Girl Scouts, just scouts.


The winner: It's you!
2012-02-21 03:49:16 PM  
1 votes:

Aulus: //Life Scout, God & Country Award, Patrol Leader, Troop quartermaster, Den Chief


Nice. I had some parental custody issues that minimized the prime part of the Scouting year for several years, so I turned 18 at Star with 2 merit badges, seven months leadership, a service project and the SC/BOR bureaucracy. Pretty much everyone in my troop that turned 18 at Life did so with much more work to go than I had. On the other hand, my last three summers as a teenager, I was working at one camp, was an JASM, DC and PL at the same time, was a member of two units and often went along with a friend's Sea Scout ship.

/I had tan lines from my uniform that didn't fade until I was well into my 20s...
2012-02-21 03:36:22 PM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: No I'm not. You don't send people off to camp in the wilderness with young children of the opposite sex, it's common sense to stop having potential issues, especially if you get kids who like to make shiat up for fun, or the kind who blackmail someone by threatening to make up a fake molestation story to use as leverage. Use your farking head for something other than plugging your ass for God's sake, look at the problems they have with people of the SAME FARKING SEX.


FAIL. This is why the buddy system in Scouting is always at least three people, not two, and why it especially applies to adults in the group.
2012-02-21 03:20:43 PM  
1 votes:

teto85: So the Boy Scouts of America are now part of the Roman Catholic Church, or just another division of NAMBLA?


Worse than both combined. The Mormons are involved.
2012-02-21 03:04:46 PM  
1 votes:
This is the kind of dangerous mentality that sweeps kids under the bus to be forgotten about. Their version of 'internally' rhymes with brasshole.
2012-02-21 01:42:06 PM  
1 votes:

kokomo61: dittybopper: Not only are they mandated reporters, but not reporting it to the authorities is contrary to Boy Scouts of America policy. When you join as an adult leader, you have to take an online training course (with a test at the end) that specifically mentions that you *HAVE* to report that kind of stuff to both the leadership *AND* the proper authorities.

Given that policy, I don't think the lawsuit will succeed, because whoever said that violated BSA policy.

I wasn't in Scouts as a kid, but my son is, and is working on his Eagle. The whole time I've been involved with the Scouts, they've been adamant that all adults go through Child Protection training, what to do when abuse is suspected, and how everything follows a 2-person rule. (no single adult is EVER alone with a Scout). Every adult in the troop who volunteers signs a form permitting a background check. Maybe there are some people out there trying to sweep something under the rug....but they're not following the Scout rules.


I was going to say this. This is my first year as a dad of a scout and we are required to be with our children at every event. So not only is no single adult allowed alone with the children, a parent must be one of the adults - at least for the first year.
2012-02-21 11:02:55 AM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: Because the BSA is a private organization, they are "playing the odds" by excluding those *MOST LIKELY* to abuse those in their care. The odds of a homosexual male leader wanting to have sex with a teenage boy is much higher than that of a straight male leader, just like the odds of a straight male leader wanting to have sex with a teenage girl would be much higher than it would be if he were gay, or a straight female. You may not *LIKE* that, but you can't argue against the logic of it.


Pretty sure I can argue against the logic of it, yeah. Grep what Great Porn Dragon wrote in this thread earlier.

I'll copy his links to make it easier, but you might want to scroll up and read what he said.

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

Pessimism about pedophilia

In short, no, it is not "logical" to try to keep gay men away from boys.
2012-02-21 10:41:57 AM  
1 votes:
The reporting and alleged cover-ups are a problem with Boy Scouts in Canada too (pops externally, not handled internally)

/Was in Cub Scouts for a few years
//Not molested, leaders did right by us kids, far as I am aware
///My mom and dad were involved...someone made the point earlier to look for parental involvement as one sign of a well-run troop, and in my experience it's a good place to start.
2012-02-21 10:33:31 AM  
1 votes:
Good thing the Boy Scouts don't accept any atheists. Who knows what sorts of horrible things could happen.
2012-02-21 10:21:51 AM  
1 votes:

Ed Finnerty: Be prepared!

[www.undercovercondoms.com image 200x200]


Tom Lehrer has got you covered.
2012-02-21 09:32:13 AM  
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: Mikey1969: I DO understand their ban on gay Scout Leaders though, it's the same as allowing men to take Girl Scouts on their camping trips.

I just knew the GBLT brigade would jump all over this.

It's like their kryptonite.

You all do know that rape isn't a hetero exclusive trait right? I mean, here we have an actual article about male on male action.

Besides that, society really doesn't back you up.

Typically, during a pee test, a woman has to watch women, because, typically, there will not be an issue of fear on the end of the person being tested.

Women who only want a straight woman gynecologist is a homophobe, because she also doesn't want a straight man gynecologist(come on everyone, we all know guy gyno's are creepy).

At that, most women will want female nurses in any given medical scenerio. It's a comfort issue. We all know most men would claim to want female nurses, but wouldn't you know it, when I had to get a hemmorroid lanced, and 3 hot trainees had to watch, well, as a man, that was a horrifying experience.

Female gym teachers to watch the girls shower, and visa versa for boys.

Tell you what, I care about sexuality. I'd rather a straight man examine my junk, because I don't want even the chance, of something inappropriate going on there. Hell, give me a straight man dentist, if what we hear about the pervy dentists do when people are under is true.

You all try to play the "Look at the Homo-phobe card" here, but it's a legitimate call for most of society. The whole idea that no one should be a perv is great, but humanity just doesn't play out that way(but go ahead playing at being delusional if you really want though).

Be it me, or my kid, and I don't want them exposed to people that may be attracted to them. Yeah, I can't lock them up, but we all deserve the right to be selective about who does what to us and our kids.

We say, "Don't walk naked through the ghetto, you might get raped."
You scream "DON'T BLAME THE VICTIM"

We say, "Don't ...


1) Just because you get a straight doctor doesn't mean you won't get harrased. I've seen more straight people act overtly sexually "playful" than gay people. Try playing team sports with other men.

2) Unwarranted and biased fear is never a legitimate call.

I'd nitpick more, but I'm done with you and your justifications for your own insecurities.
2012-02-21 09:06:57 AM  
1 votes:
">More evidence that the alleged "policy" is not actually enforced:
By now, Adam was reporting each incident to Lopez, who didn't seem to believe him and kept telling Adam he was calling his supervisors.

When Adam gathered Scouts who were willing to walk with him into Lopez's office, he demanded the camp leader call the police.

Instead, Lopez wanted to call the Scouting office.

Adam shook his head. "This is a police matter."

Everything is OK, the man said. Brad won't go alone into tents anymore.

Adam asked for a phone.

The Scouts are taught to "always be prepared," but Adam wasn't ready for the backlash.

Nobody believed him.

The molester said he'd been framed for accidentally brushing a child's rear on an obstacle course. Plenty of folks believed that.

Classmates gossiped that it was Adam's fault. That's what he got for spending so much time with Stowell.

After Stowell was arrested, Paul Steed, a loyal worker in the LDS church's Scouting program, had to press his sons for their story. They resisted for a half-hour.

"They said they weren't allowed to say what happened," he said.

Adam's classmates, who didn't read the court file, harassed him.

The Scouts never defended the whistle-blower's honor either, the Steeds say.

And the news media weren't helpful, publishing few details.

"Many of the parents don't know what happened to their children," Paul Steed said. The Scouts and the courts didn't tell parents, he said, even when they should have suspected there were more victims.

For at least four years, Scout leaders had access to a sworn statement from Brad Stowell in which he said he began abusing boys at camp in 1988 and victimized two dozen boys, many of them campers.


4 years of documented abuse, not reported to the police. Refusing to inform the police after repeated demands from a scout.

More here.
2012-02-21 07:28:26 AM  
1 votes:

Mock26: I do not. Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same thing. There is no statistical data to show that a gay man is more likely to molest a boy than a straight male will molest a girl, and these same people who refuse to let homosexuals into the BSA have no qualms about letting male teachers teach their daughters or let women teach their sons in school.


Several points:

1. Boy Scouts are generally of the age where they are sexually mature, or soon will be, so it's not actual pedophilia that is in play, but hebephilia or ephebophilia.

2. There is a material difference between teaching classes at a school in the day in the middle of town, surrounded by other teachers and staff, not to mention a metric farkton of students, and camping in the woods with 10 or 20 scouts and a couple, or at most a handful, of leaders, with all the isolation that comes with being in relatively remote areas, and at night.

3. There is a story just about every day on Fark about teachers and their students gettin' it on, so you aren't actually making a good point.

4. Because the BSA is a private organization, they are "playing the odds" by excluding those *MOST LIKELY* to abuse those in their care. The odds of a homosexual male leader wanting to have sex with a teenage boy is much higher than that of a straight male leader, just like the odds of a straight male leader wanting to have sex with a teenage girl would be much higher than it would be if he were gay, or a straight female. You may not *LIKE* that, but you can't argue against the logic of it.
2012-02-21 07:24:59 AM  
1 votes:
As long as the troop leader wasn't gay.

Seriously, why the hell would a decent parent send their kid to this hate camp? Might as well dress your kid in white sheets and a hood.

Scumbags.
2012-02-21 04:38:35 AM  
1 votes:

2wolves: Mock26:

Boy Scouts were originally a para-military organization.

No, they were not. Baden-Powell based some of his teachings on what he learned in the military, but the Boy Scouts were never a para-military organization.

Unless, of course, you are a Soviet officer who has invaded Colorado.

You're correct. I was in error. My bad.


No worries.
2012-02-21 03:24:06 AM  
1 votes:

teto85: So the Boy Scouts of America are now part of the Roman Catholic Church, or just another division of NAMBLA?

or just another division of the NHL
or just another division of NFL
etc etc

good thing they wanna tap your phone, read all your emails and imprison you without a warrant just in case you might be a Chester when they have a whole list full o' pederasts they ain't touchin...

right on Congress..right on America...
2012-02-21 03:07:08 AM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Except that people are a LOT more likely to jump on the 'they have to be guilty' bandwagon if the accused happens to also be Gay

...

3 or 4 years ago here in Salt Lake, a family was having


I think I'm beginning to see the root of your problems....
2012-02-21 02:22:01 AM  
1 votes:

Mock26:

Boy Scouts were originally a para-military organization.

No, they were not. Baden-Powell based some of his teachings on what he learned in the military, but the Boy Scouts were never a para-military organization.

Unless, of course, you are a Soviet officer who has invaded Colorado.


You're correct. I was in error. My bad.
2012-02-21 02:19:09 AM  
1 votes:

buzzcut73: Oh, and whoever said the Boy Scouts have been hijacked by the Catholic Church, get it right. They've been hijacked by the Mormons.


QFT.

Loren: It depends on when the incident happened vs when the law was passed.


Don't confuse "legal" with "moral". The former is, indeed, a function of legislatures and executives; the latter is based on what makes the world a better place (insofar as you can determine such).

/Eagle Scout 1988, National Jamboree 1989, World Jamboree 1991
//Knows more than a few other Eagles who refuse to have anything to do with current BSA (gay, atheist...)
///Wishes he could enroll his own sons with a clear conscience.
2012-02-21 02:16:17 AM  
1 votes:

gmpilot: GungFu: BronyMedic: Mock26: I do not. Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same thing. There is no statistical data to show that a gay man is more likely to molest a boy than a straight male will molest a girl, and these same people who refuse to let homosexuals into the BSA have no qualms about letting male teachers teach their daughters or let women teach their sons in school.

This. Scientific studies have actually proven that homosexual men are at no greater propensity to molest childen than heterosexual men.

Pedophilia and homosexuality have nothing in common.


Unless it's homosexual pedofiles, of course.

I would actually be surprised if it wasn't much lower in homosexual men because they seem to have far less of a problem getting ass. I imagine for many heterosexual molesters they are not only repressing their pedophilia and have no outlet, but also seem to not be very attractive or successful and/or have the most active sex life in general. I would have a hard time believing that most pedophiles are ONLY attracted to little kids; they are just an easier group to target.


Also, as an aside--it was pretty much documented as early as 1978 in psychological journals that "homosexual pedophilia" and adult same-sex attraction were distinct and separate sexual orientations; this isn't something that's come about in recent research, but something that's been known for a while.

Unfortunately, the more we're learning about sexual orientation and its inflexibility, the more it seems that probably the kindest thing to be done to true paedophiles is to pretty much take them to the back of the barn and tell them about the rabbits, so to speak--you can no more de-pedobear a paedophile than you can "de-gay" a lesbian. And in most jurisdictions, euthanasia for paedophilia isn't legal, and neither is executing paedophiles in the legal system unless they manage to kill a kid in the process of raping them. :P

/I will note that I am not generally a supporter of the death penalty, save in cases of high treason
//paedophilia is one of my rare exceptions, because all evidence points to them being "born broken" and there is no way to fix them
2012-02-21 01:55:08 AM  
1 votes:
My father was a boy scout when he was a kid, and pretty much forced me to participate. It was actually kind of fun, but I always biatched and moaned about wanting to quit because it wasn't "cool". My family moved a couple times while I was growing up, so I was involved with several different troops over the years.

Based on my experiences, there wasn't as much opportunity for molestation as posters seem to think. Aside from summer camp, there were always lots of parents around. And, the scout leaders were never just random cretins. They were usually parents or former troop members that returned to volunteer as adults.

When combating pedophilia in any organization, parental involvement is key. A good scout master constantly urges parents to get involved, attend camping trips, teach merit badges, etc. That is pretty much the opposite of what a pedophile wants... the pedophile wants parents to drop their kids off and not ask too many questions. So, if you are thinking of having your kids get involved with scouting, a good way to gauge their safety is to look at the level of parental involvement.
2012-02-21 01:50:47 AM  
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: Around here the Mormons are taking over the Boy scouts. I have no idea if they're creepy pedophiles. I'm sure they like to handle things "internally" too.


Having watched the clusterfark of Catalyst Gaming Labs (a geek/hobby company that publishes, among other things, Battletech) where the Mormon owner "accidentally co-mingled" a million or so of company money with his own bank accounts and nearly bankrupted the company, I can say that the Mormons prefer handling issues of character "privately". The second who could have started trouble and pressed charges decided not to mainly because of his faith (he was a Mormon too).

Considering that the BSA is basically owned by the Mormon church at this point, I can easily see the BSA wanting to keep child abuse allegations "internal".

Please don't take this as a direct attack at Mormonism. Historically they were pretty persecuted (look at how Deseret, which basically was the entire western half of the North America was carved into Utah as the Mormons either rose in political power or natural resources were discovered), so it makes sense to be somewhat... xenophobic I guess you could say.
2012-02-21 01:45:50 AM  
1 votes:
As a parent of a Cub Scout, I disagree with the "failure to warn boys" allegation... the boys actually can't progress up the Cub Scout ranks without passing certain achievements that include sitting down with a parent and having a talk about what to do if someone wants to do something inappropriate with you.
2012-02-21 01:35:28 AM  
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: Around here the Mormons are taking over the Boy scouts. I have no idea if they're creepy pedophiles. I'm sure they like to handle things "internally" too.


Sure they are.

/sarcasm
2012-02-21 01:30:26 AM  
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: Around here the Mormons are taking over the Boy scouts. I have no idea if they're creepy pedophiles. I'm sure they like to handle things "internally" too.


They sue the journalists that writes about Mormon pedo Boy scout leaders. (new window)
2012-02-21 01:22:38 AM  
1 votes:

Eirik: Hell, my son just started Tiger Cubs last year, and we were told at the first meeting that any suspected abuse would mean the police would be called, and that they had to have more than one adult with the kids at any one time. The leadership of this pack made it clear that they weren't going to risk the kids to save the organization.


That is standard Boy Scout policy. When I was a Scoutmaster we had to occasionally cancel meetings and camping trips because there was only one adult available.
2012-02-21 12:55:06 AM  
1 votes:
Around here the Mormons are taking over the Boy scouts. I have no idea if they're creepy pedophiles. I'm sure they like to handle things "internally" too.
2012-02-21 12:47:57 AM  
1 votes:
You know, the older I get, the happier I am that my parents didn't raise me to be a Good Christian(tm). It kept me away from creepy priestly predators, and I dropped out of Boy Scouts after two weeks because the level of Christian indoctrination was so oppressive.

Probably saved me thousands of dollars in sexual abuse therapy bills.
2012-02-21 12:46:48 AM  
1 votes:

2wolves: swingerofbirches: The commonality between the Boy Scouts and the Catholic church altar boys is that in both situations you have a group of just males. Why segregate scouting by sex? I did scouting in Sweden, and it was just a group of kids. They don't have Boy Scout or Girl Scouts, just scouts.

I mean, believe it or not, males and females both come from Earth. We might as well learn to scout the planet together. And I can't quite articulate how, but separating by sex seems to almost make sex more important than it is, and it probably attracts people who value that, in the same way some people seem to have a fetish for an all-girls Catholic boarding school.

Boy Scouts were originally a para-military organization.


No, they were not. Baden-Powell based some of his teachings on what he learned in the military, but the Boy Scouts were never a para-military organization.

Unless, of course, you are a Soviet officer who has invaded Colorado.
2012-02-21 12:41:18 AM  
1 votes:

cuzsis: gmpilot: GungFu: BronyMedic: Mock26: I do not. Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same thing. There is no statistical data to show that a gay man is more likely to molest a boy than a straight male will molest a girl, and these same people who refuse to let homosexuals into the BSA have no qualms about letting male teachers teach their daughters or let women teach their sons in school.

This. Scientific studies have actually proven that homosexual men are at no greater propensity to molest childen than heterosexual men.

Pedophilia and homosexuality have nothing in common.


Unless it's homosexual pedofiles, of course.

I would actually be surprised if it wasn't much lower in homosexual men because they seem to have far less of a problem getting ass. I imagine for many heterosexual molesters they are not only repressing their pedophilia and have no outlet, but also seem to not be very attractive or successful and/or have the most active sex life in general. I would have a hard time believing that most pedophiles are ONLY attracted to little kids; they are just an easier group to target.

So why does it mostly seem to be little boys that are targeted? (ie: Alter boy is a common joke here.)

Are they just more convenient than the girls or something?


Girls are usually molested by male relatives or close family friends. Those stories don't get media attention because they aren't from an individual representing an organization like the Church or BSA (unless it's their teacher or something). That doesn't mean it doesn't happen to girls all the time though.
2012-02-21 12:32:14 AM  
1 votes:

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: The correct answer is...: In the late 1970s.....blah blah blah....

/csb

Dude, that story is creepy as hell.


Well, the C has it covered either way really.
2012-02-21 12:31:27 AM  
1 votes:
BSA has a bunch of idiots running the thing, but then again its a Christian organization. I was harassed in it for a good 60% of the time when we were at large camps, but never at my home chapter. Quit right before eagle due to it. Weird thing was it all began after 1st class, never had any issues with it prior.

I had an instance where there was around 9 kids from one of the San Mateo chapters started messing with me @ camp. I was the odd-ball kid, but not the nerd, but I guess it was my turn. Basically they chose to mess with me in an open shower, and because I hurt their feelings by telling them to 'fark off' and ignore their words and physical actions, 5 of them decided to go to one of the leaders and tell them I touched _all_ of them, in front of like 20 other kids/parents. Result: Isolate me from everyone else and banned from many camps in California.

The next 'wtf' comes 8 months after the incident, where I went to another camp, same 5 of those kids happened to be there (had to be apart of the same chapter) and the same thing happened, went up the common trails to fire an old flintlock, and those 5 kids were just leaving. They had waited 1/2 way down the trail for me to come back and when I encountered them I ignored their insults and left. Safe to say a few hours I was sent home because they had said 'I wooped their asses' without any bruises or anything else on them.

I got more of those stories. Once this crap began, it didn't stop until I quit. I must have pissed off someone somewhere for this to happen.
2012-02-21 12:17:55 AM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: You're obviously just trying to argue no matter what. Fine, be a douche, welcome to fark. I hope you're not REALLY as thick headed as you're trying to appear, it would make life tiresome for your friends and family.


I'm not the person you were talking to originally, but okay. I agree with Mock26 and NotARocketScientist that the BSA is prejudicial for no particularly good reason.

For instance, you say: "You either have adults together with children of the gender they happen to be attracted to taking said kids to remote places and hanging out with them all night long, or you are wide open to issues with kids who lie for attention, or manipulative little shaits who lie to blackmail someone."

Statistics don't support the first claim, and because of that, blackmail shouldn't work against gay scoutmasters any more than against straight ones, which somewhat negates your second claim. ("Should" doesn't necessarily translate to "does.")

Where you really dug yourself into a hole, and the reason I replied, is that you fail to draw a distinction between, say, one straight and one gay scoutmaster going on a boy scout trip vs a straight woman and a straight man going on a girl scout trip.

You say that you're not trying to argue that homosexuality and pedophilia are related... but you certainly are acting like you believe they are.
2012-02-21 12:16:41 AM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: Not only are they mandated reporters, but not reporting it to the authorities is contrary to Boy Scouts of America policy. When you join as an adult leader, you have to take an online training course (with a test at the end) that specifically mentions that you *HAVE* to report that kind of stuff to both the leadership *AND* the proper authorities.

Given that policy, I don't think the lawsuit will succeed, because whoever said that violated BSA policy.


I wasn't in Scouts as a kid, but my son is, and is working on his Eagle. The whole time I've been involved with the Scouts, they've been adamant that all adults go through Child Protection training, what to do when abuse is suspected, and how everything follows a 2-person rule. (no single adult is EVER alone with a Scout). Every adult in the troop who volunteers signs a form permitting a background check. Maybe there are some people out there trying to sweep something under the rug....but they're not following the Scout rules.
2012-02-21 12:05:15 AM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: libranoelrose: Mikey1969: I DO understand their ban on gay Scout Leaders though, it's the same as allowing men to take Girl Scouts on their camping trips.

You are retarded.

No I'm not. You don't send people off to camp in the wilderness with young children of the opposite sex, it's common sense to stop having potential issues, especially if you get kids who like to make shiat up for fun, or the kind who blackmail someone by threatening to make up a fake molestation story to use as leverage. Use your farking head for something other than plugging your ass for God's sake, look at the problems they have with people of the SAME FARKING SEX.

I mean, if anyone's retarded, it's the guy who can't add 2 and 2 and get anything but 4,751.987.

In other words, you.


WTF am I reading? Whether an adult is opposite sex of a child or not is irrelevant if the adult is not a pedophile.
2012-02-21 12:01:46 AM  
1 votes:

brainyblonde: I have (for the grammar police) been a lurker, until now, and your broad brush can paint your butt-hurt how you typically tend do it around here (but, many of you look sooooo stupid in your "artwork").i\


What kind of non sequitur is THIS?
2012-02-20 11:59:16 PM  
1 votes:

The correct answer is...: In the late 1970s, the Boy Scout troop that I was part of lost most of its adult leadership, for a variety of reasons. One adult leader who was brought in as a replacement was a very weird guy who gave all the scouts the creeps. Sure enough, about three months after he joined, he tried to lure me and one other scout (individually) to his apartment for a private "party" to view man-on-boy pr0n and who knows what else.

Both of our parents went to the local BSA Council to file a complaint, and they offered both my mom and the other scout's mom $1,000 to drop the complaint and "let them deal with th situation". We were dirt poor (think Kenny from South Park) so my mom took the money and I quit the troop. The other Scout's dad was an attorney and pressed charges. It was big news for awhile in our community.

tl;dr: Shiat's been happening for years, nothing new here.

/csb


The other kid got a $1,000,000 settlement and you got some lollipops.
2012-02-20 11:53:58 PM  
1 votes:

Mock26: I do not. Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same thing. There is no statistical data to show that a gay man is more likely to molest a boy than a straight male will molest a girl, and these same people who refuse to let homosexuals into the BSA have no qualms about letting male teachers teach their daughters or let women teach their sons in school.


As I mentioned to someone else(Who was MUCH ruder than you), this puts them right in the middle of a TON of potential issues, whether real or imagined. You either have adults together with children of the gender they happen to be attracted to taking said kids to remote places and hanging out with them all night long, or you are wide open to issues with kids who lie for attention, or manipulative little shaits who lie to blackmail someone. I'm not saying that homosexuals are pedophiles any more than heterosexuals are, I'm talking about not putting your organization in a situation where these things can happen any more than you need to.

As for the teachers/Scoutmasters thing, that's apples and oranges, unless you're talking about that 'Let's go camping in the woods alone' class I took in 4th grade. Hell, we still have problems with teachers messing around with kids. It's all about not letting yourself get in a situation where accusations can be made. 30 kids in a class, and no "private" meetings with the kids...

See what I'm saying here? I', not accusing gay people of being sexual predators, I'm talking about removing as many potential problems as you can, and until we get robot Scoutmasters, the same sex leadership thing is probably the best option.
2012-02-20 11:49:54 PM  
1 votes:

brainyblonde: My son is an Altar Server and a Boyscout. He would seriously injure and call out anyone that touched him inappropriately. Saying that, the boy is on his way to a great life. I'm been a lurker, until now, and your broad brush can paint your butt-hurt how you typically tend do it around here (but, many of you look sooooo stupid in your "artwork").


So you say. What makes you so sure he hasn't been molested?
You seem to be painting with a very broad brush yourself; that the other boys must have been weak, that they didn't know to call out. That strong people don't repress these things out of fear, out of humiliation, out of blame.
2012-02-20 11:46:45 PM  
1 votes:

SoxSweepAgain: SparkyMcFarksalot: It seemed to be OK with the media that all "Occupy" rapes were handled internally with out the involvement of the police. How is this different?

/meh

[citation needed]


Olbermann debunked this POS the other day. Here's the Link. (new window)
2012-02-20 11:45:28 PM  
1 votes:
Clearly this indicates the disproportionate focus our society places on sports.

(I still feels that the people placing blame on that during the PSU scandal were largely misplacing the blame, which helps absolutely no one.)
2012-02-20 11:29:56 PM  
1 votes:
Remember kids, homosexuality is wrong. But pedophilia is cool.

(This message brought to you by the Boy Scouts, a division of MormonCorp.)
2012-02-20 11:27:22 PM  
1 votes:

oldsbone: FTA: He was put on probation but later went to prison after authorities found pictures of nude children on his cellphone data card. Stein's criminal case is closed.
Wait, wait wait...
Actual molestation of kids=probation but...
Softcore kiddie porn=jail time?
I'm not defending having pictures of nude children on your cellphone, but shouldn't the doing get you in more trouble than the thoughtcrime?


That's weird. It must have been a probation violation when they found the pics, but he should have been in jail already.

If somebody gets probation for molesting somebody's kid, don't be surprised if you end up with a dead molester.
2012-02-20 11:27:03 PM  
1 votes:
teto85: So the Boy Scouts of America are now part of the Roman Catholic Church, or just another division of NAMBLA?

Affiliated with Penn State.


Over in two.
2012-02-20 11:24:57 PM  
1 votes:
In the late 1970s, the Boy Scout troop that I was part of lost most of its adult leadership, for a variety of reasons. One adult leader who was brought in as a replacement was a very weird guy who gave all the scouts the creeps. Sure enough, about three months after he joined, he tried to lure me and one other scout (individually) to his apartment for a private "party" to view man-on-boy pr0n and who knows what else.

Both of our parents went to the local BSA Council to file a complaint, and they offered both my mom and the other scout's mom $1,000 to drop the complaint and "let them deal with th situation". We were dirt poor (think Kenny from South Park) so my mom took the money and I quit the troop. The other Scout's dad was an attorney and pressed charges. It was big news for awhile in our community.

tl;dr: Shiat's been happening for years, nothing new here.

/csb
2012-02-20 11:21:50 PM  
1 votes:

libranoelrose: Mikey1969: I DO understand their ban on gay Scout Leaders though, it's the same as allowing men to take Girl Scouts on their camping trips.

You are retarded.


No I'm not. You don't send people off to camp in the wilderness with young children of the opposite sex, it's common sense to stop having potential issues, especially if you get kids who like to make shiat up for fun, or the kind who blackmail someone by threatening to make up a fake molestation story to use as leverage. Use your farking head for something other than plugging your ass for God's sake, look at the problems they have with people of the SAME FARKING SEX.

I mean, if anyone's retarded, it's the guy who can't add 2 and 2 and get anything but 4,751.987.

In other words, you.
2012-02-20 11:18:09 PM  
1 votes:
It is always hard for a young boy to report a scoutmasters abusive behavior, especially when that boy has the scoutmasters dick in his mouth.
2012-02-20 10:59:06 PM  
1 votes:

Miss Stein: His mugshot:
[i759.photobucket.com image 635x473]
The stuff of nightmares.


According to the linked story, he weighs 450 pounds.
2012-02-20 10:58:59 PM  
1 votes:

teto85: So the Boy Scouts of America are now part of the Roman Catholic Church, or just another division of NAMBLA?


You mean there's a difference?
2012-02-20 10:47:03 PM  
1 votes:
His mugshot:
i759.photobucket.com
The stuff of nightmares.
2012-02-20 08:23:07 PM  
1 votes:
Your interaction with boyscouts should not contain "internally".
2012-02-20 08:13:19 PM  
1 votes:
Be prepared!

www.undercovercondoms.com
2012-02-20 08:04:57 PM  
1 votes:
Fark the Boy Scouts.

Oh wait, that's the problem.
2012-02-20 07:47:43 PM  
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, men involved in professions and activities which carry inherent levels of trust from the community while allowing them to exercise power over children in unsupervised situations tend to rape and molest their charges in disproportionate numbers. And then hide it.


img812.imageshack.us
2012-02-20 06:36:58 PM  
1 votes:

teto85: So the Boy Scouts of America are now part of the Roman Catholic Church, or just another division of NAMBLA?


Affiliated with Penn State.
 
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