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(Seattle Times)   David Brooks: "Jeremy Lin is anomalous in all sorts of ways...But we shouldn't neglect the biggest anomaly. He's a religious person in professional sports." Want to know how I know you nothing about sports, Poindexter?   (seattletimes.nwsource.com) divider line 116
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2012-02-20 02:22:49 PM
Torn apart. Link (new window)
 
2012-02-20 02:41:01 PM
The Minister of Defense would like a word with you, David.
www.trunkbunker.com
 
2012-02-20 03:09:08 PM
b.imagehost.org
 
2012-02-20 03:15:20 PM
I'm sicker of hearing about Jeremy Lin than I ever got hearing about Snooki.
 
2012-02-20 03:37:01 PM
lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-02-20 03:41:53 PM
i1214.photobucket.com

Would like a word...
 
2012-02-20 03:51:58 PM
ph.cdn.photos.upi.com

Would like a word...

/wat?
 
2012-02-20 04:04:27 PM
www.getreligion.org
www.terezowens.com

Hey, look. The massive prayer circles you see after every single NFL game.
 
2012-02-20 04:18:34 PM
chimp_ninja: [www.getreligion.org image 350x254]
[www.terezowens.com image 594x396]

Hey, look. The massive prayer circles you see after every single NFL game.


Yeah, but when brown people do it they're just paying lip service. You know they're just going to shoot up the club later that night.

/Not trolling, just de-BS'ing the Lin/Tebow narrative
 
2012-02-20 04:34:01 PM
Dusk-You-n-Me: Torn apart. Link (new window)

lulz
 
2012-02-20 04:34:33 PM
Seriously, go find me a list of atheists in professional sports. I'm guessing they're few and far apart.
 
2012-02-20 04:34:35 PM
the tension between majesty and morality

morality has fark-all to do with religion
 
2012-02-20 04:34:57 PM
Jocks are the most superstitious people on the planet
 
2012-02-20 04:36:25 PM
DeltaPunch: Seriously, go find me a list of atheists in professional sports. I'm guessing they're few and far apart.

Every Soviet hockey team?
 
2012-02-20 04:37:06 PM
Dusk-You-n-Me: Torn apart. Link (new window)

"David Brooks's entire career has been one long, tragic bluff, in which a spectacularly effete nerd from the University of Chicago-ensconced in the Washington D.C. suburbs and the community of elite mainstream journalists-peddles himself as an oppositional figure to the college-educated liberal professional class, an expert on Real America. This upmarket Jeff Foxworthy shtick has led to endless pratfalls over facts that any Real American sixth-grader could keep straight."

Oh, snap.

/Save your condescending, cartoonishly out-of-touch patronization of Americans for the Applebee's Salad Bar, Dave.
 
2012-02-20 04:37:48 PM
That article comes off as well researched and based upon a sound premise compared to his usual work.
 
2012-02-20 04:40:32 PM
Is he Christlin? Will he give up basketball for Lint?
 
2012-02-20 04:40:43 PM
Wow, I never thought I could manage to care less about a Lin story, but then along comes subby to try to make a religious flamewar out of it. Aim high, buddy.
 
2012-02-20 04:42:15 PM
Maybe that's anomalous if it's 1980 and you live in the Soviet Union.
 
2012-02-20 04:44:56 PM
Weigard: DeltaPunch: Seriously, go find me a list of atheists in professional sports. I'm guessing they're few and far apart.

Every Soviet hockey team?


No, they were loaded with secret Jews because Stalin died too young and couldn't catch them all.
 
2012-02-20 04:45:01 PM
TravisBickle62: Jocks are the most superstitious people on the planet

Indeed. Even when not actually dumb, they tend to be poorly-informed about anything outside their chosen sport. They participate in risky activities where success is often highly contingent on random turns of event. It's a near perfect recipe for the brain's belief system system to go berserk. What would be more unusual is an irreligious athlete.
 
2012-02-20 04:45:04 PM
The Great EZE: chimp_ninja: [www.getreligion.org image 350x254]
[www.terezowens.com image 594x396]

Hey, look. The massive prayer circles you see after every single NFL game.

Yeah, but when brown people do it they're just paying lip service. You know they're just going to shoot up the club later that night.

/Not trolling, just de-BS'ing the Lin/Tebow narrative


Lin is brown.
 
2012-02-20 04:46:04 PM
ThisSideofSteinway: "David Brooks's entire career has been one long, tragic bluff, in which a spectacularly effete nerd from the University of Chicago-ensconced in the Washington D.C. suburbs and the community of elite mainstream journalists-peddles himself as an oppositional figure to the college-educated liberal professional class, an expert on Real America. This upmarket Jeff Foxworthy shtick has led to endless pratfalls over facts that any Real American sixth-grader could keep straight."

The truth hurts.
 
2012-02-20 04:48:21 PM
DeltaPunch: Seriously, go find me a list of atheists in professional sports. I'm guessing they're few and far apart.

The few listed on Wikipedia:

Lance Armstrong, (1971-): Road racing cyclist, won the Tour de France seven consecutive times.

Brian Clough, (1935-2004): Soccer manager, of Hartlepool United, Derby County, Brighton and Hove Albion, Leeds United and Nottingham Forest. Said in his 1994 autobiography that he didn't believe in an afterlife or a god.

Fausto Coppi (1919-1960): Italian racing cyclist, nicknamed Il Campionissimo ("the greatest champion") one of the most successful and popular cyclists of all time.

Jim Cornette (1961-): American professional wrestling manager, commentator, promoter, and booker.

Robin Dixon CBE (1935-): British Olympic gold medal bobsledder, army Major, businessman, British and Northern Irish politician, latterly a member of the House of Lords.

Jan Hein Donner (1927-1988): Dutch chess grandmaster and writer.

Jonathan Edwards (1966-): British triple jumper. Former Olympic, European and World champion. Holds the current world record in the event.

Hugh Falkus (1917-1996): British writer, film maker, World War II pilot, but best known as an angler, with seminal books on salmon and sea trout fishing.

David Feherty (1958-): Irish golfer, a former European Tour and PGA Tour professional who now works as a writer and broadcaster.

Dan Fouts (1951-): San Diego Chargers quarterback inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame and broadcaster for the NFL on CBS.

Olga Galchenko (1990-): Juggler.

Bruce Lee (1940-1973): American born Chinese martial artist and actor.

Jason Miller (1980-): Popular American mixed martial arts fighter and host of MTV's Bully Beatdown. Is noted for stating "After my victory, I would like to thank science."

Joe Simpson (1972-): British mountaineer, author and motivational speaker, famous for his book Touching the Void, subsequently filmed.

Robert Smith (1972-): former Minnesota Vikings running back and NFL Network football analyst.

Matthew Syed (1970-): English table tennis international, three times the Men's Singles Champion at the Commonwealth Table Tennis Championships and competing for Great Britain in two Olympic Games, now a Times journalist.

Savielly Tartakower (1887-1956): Polish and French chess Grandmaster, the king of chess journalism in the 1920s and 30s.

Pat Tillman (1976-2004): Former NFL strong safety for the Arizona Cardinals and United States Army Ranger, killed by friendly fire in the mountains of Afghanistan.

Dana White (1969-) President of Ultimate Fighting Championship

Bob Woolmer (1948-2007): English international cricketer, professional cricket coach and commentator, playing in 19 Test matches and 6 One Day Internationals for England and later coaching South Africa, Warwickshire and Pakistan.

Fernando Alonso: Formula One racer and Two-time World Champion.

Aziz Shavershian (1989-2011): Australian bodybuilder and internet celebrity.
 
2012-02-20 04:49:48 PM
CavalierEternal: DeltaPunch: Seriously, go find me a list of atheists in professional sports. I'm guessing they're few and far apart.

The few listed on Wikipedia:

Olga Galchenko (1990-): Juggler.


lolwut
 
2012-02-20 04:50:01 PM
Their are few occupations (other than those directly tied to religion) that have more explicit displays of religiosity than professional sports.

The author is pants on head retarded.
 
2012-02-20 04:52:35 PM
CavalierEternal: DeltaPunch: Seriously, go find me a list of atheists in professional sports. I'm guessing they're few and far apart.

The few listed on Wikipedia:


CavalierEternal: Jim Cornette (1961-): American professional wrestling manager, commentator, promoter, and booker.

CavalierEternal: David Feherty (1958-): Irish golfer, a former European Tour and PGA Tour professional who now works as a writer and broadcaster.

Well at least atheists have two of the funniest people in sports (entertainment) today. Cornette's rants are the stuff of legends.
 
2012-02-20 04:54:40 PM
Did anyone actually read the article, or just the first paragraph?
 
2012-02-20 04:56:32 PM
The NFL has farking team CHAPLAINS you stupid motherfarker
 
2012-02-20 04:56:50 PM
alowishus: Their are few occupations (other than those directly tied to religion) that have more explicit displays of religiosity than professional sports.

The author is pants on head retarded.


There
 
2012-02-20 04:57:27 PM
The only anomaly involving Jeremy Lin is that the NY Knicks are now not sucking harder than a prostitute with daddy issues.
 
2012-02-20 04:57:32 PM
CavalierEternal: Jim Cornette (1961-): American professional wrestling manager, commentator, promoter, and booker.

To be fair, Jim Cornette is actually a god.

/his tennis racket is like Thor's hammer
 
2012-02-20 04:57:57 PM
forgotmydamnusername: Indeed. Even when not actually dumb, they tend to be poorly-informed about anything outside their chosen sport. They participate in risky activities where success is often highly contingent on random turns of event. It's a near perfect recipe for the brain's belief system system to go berserk. What would be more unusual is an irreligious athlete.

Particularly in team sports, they also have a job that explicitly discourages that kind of thinking. Coach says to run left and follow #68's block, you run left and follow #68's block. There's a ton going on in the athlete's brain, but during play it's focused on split-second reactions. They're selected to be jet pilots, not philosophers or rocket scientists.

Athletes also often don't know a lot about non-sport activities for the same reason that a lot of medical residents don't know what's going on outside the hospital. The level of focus required to perform at that level doesn't allow it-- they often don't have a true "off day" until the offseason, and the hours are brutal.
 
2012-02-20 04:59:58 PM
RussianPooper: Did anyone actually read the article, or just the first paragraph?

I did last week when it came out, and it's still stupid. At best, we can say he has a point in that sports is inconsistent with religion as he imagines it.
 
2012-02-20 05:00:10 PM
Shrugging Atlas: That article comes off as well researched and based upon a sound premise compared to his usual work.

dead wrong as usual, but smart-sounding.
 
2012-02-20 05:03:00 PM
Arkanaut: RussianPooper: Did anyone actually read the article, or just the first paragraph?

I did last week when it came out, and it's still stupid. At best, we can say he has a point in that sports is inconsistent with religion as he imagines it.


And even then, he's clearly never looked at professional swimming.

/Saved and Shaved Wednesdays for everybody!
 
2012-02-20 05:03:05 PM
chimp_ninja: forgotmydamnusername: Indeed. Even when not actually dumb, they tend to be poorly-informed about anything outside their chosen sport. They participate in risky activities where success is often highly contingent on random turns of event. It's a near perfect recipe for the brain's belief system system to go berserk. What would be more unusual is an irreligious athlete.

Particularly in team sports, they also have a job that explicitly discourages that kind of thinking. Coach says to run left and follow #68's block, you run left and follow #68's block. There's a ton going on in the athlete's brain, but during play it's focused on split-second reactions. They're selected to be jet pilots, not philosophers or rocket scientists.

Athletes also often don't know a lot about non-sport activities for the same reason that a lot of medical residents don't know what's going on outside the hospital. The level of focus required to perform at that level doesn't allow it-- they often don't have a true "off day" until the offseason, and the hours are brutal.


I did read a scouting analysis that dinged Myron Rolle for being too intelligent which could result in him avoiding injury.
 
2012-02-20 05:03:06 PM
I'm getting SO tired of the 'We're persecuted because we're religious' crap. There are plenty of religious people in ALL walks of life, and plenty feel the need to share that fact with us every 15 seconds, so get off your soapbox, and maybe people won't groan every time they hear someone bring up the religion conversation...
 
2012-02-20 05:05:10 PM
Sports tab fodder, WTF does Lins religion have to do with politics?
 
2012-02-20 05:05:30 PM
want to know how i you didn't proofread headline, subby?
 
2012-02-20 05:06:11 PM
rebelyell2006: Weigard: DeltaPunch: Seriously, go find me a list of atheists in professional sports. I'm guessing they're few and far apart.

Every Soviet hockey team?

No, they were loaded with secret Jews because Stalin died too young and couldn't catch them all.


I didn't know he was a pokemon trainer.
 
2012-02-20 05:06:54 PM
The link between organized sport and organized religion has been noted by sociologists and others since the days of Thorstein Veblen, author of the famous economics text and satire, Theory of the Leisure Class. I'm guessing that David Brooks cut classes that week, or maybe he only studied Dead White Conservative Greats, in which case it didn't take a week, there being only about 12 of them.
 
2012-02-20 05:07:00 PM
rebelyell2006: Weigard: DeltaPunch: Seriously, go find me a list of atheists in professional sports. I'm guessing they're few and far apart.

Every Soviet hockey team?

No, they were loaded with secret Jews because Stalin died too young and couldn't catch them all.


Pokejew?
 
2012-02-20 05:07:05 PM
Hm.

www.gregwilson.co.uk

www.veryfinebooks.com

/proud
 
2012-02-20 05:07:14 PM
fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net

/you know it's true
 
2012-02-20 05:08:34 PM
More persecution complex drivel from the right?

/DNRTFA
 
2012-02-20 05:09:05 PM
Doc Daneeka: [fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 318x445]

/you know it's true


you know, the second panel ought to show jesus on the cross, with a thought bubble that says "this is for you, random athlete in 2000 years"

if i could draw worth anything, i'd make that comic.
 
2012-02-20 05:11:00 PM
Headline made my head hurt
 
2012-02-20 05:12:35 PM
D_Evans45: Sports tab fodder, WTF does Lins religion have to do with politics?

It's easier to accept once you understand that the politics tab is actually the "flame war/controversial topics" tab.
 
2012-02-20 05:17:12 PM
Dead White Conservative Greats who may have been studied by David Brooks as a young turk:

1. Adolph Hitler
2. Benito Mussolini
3. Edmund Burke
4. Alexander Hamilton
5. Herbert Spencer
6. Andrew Carnagie
7. J.P. Morgan

8. John D. Rockefeller
9. Alexis de Tocqueville (does count despite being French, for some reason, possibly because he wrote Democracy in America, a great title for conservatives, even if it wasn't so great in the detailed criticism of everything they stand for)
10. Le Comte de Gobineau (doesn't count because he was French and pretty much redundant with Hitler, Mussolini and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion forgery
11. Father Coughlin
12. J. Eugene McCarthy
13. John Birch
14. Dracula*, aka the Prince of Darkness
15. Pope Benedict XVI. (Dead Popes don't count. Otherwise this list could run into a hundred names.)
16. The Father of Green Conservatism (and its first Great Green Apostate ) Newt Gingrich
17. Lucifer, the Father of Lies
18. Kim Jong Il
19. Josephe de Maïstre (doesn't count because he's French)
20. de Bonald (does count)
21. René de Chateaubriand (doesn't count)
22. William F. Buckley, dead, yes, white, yes, conservative, yes, but great? not really. What? he's not dead? I must be thinking of his father.
23. Not Ron Paul. He's not really conservative. He's a libertarian populist isolationist with tinctures of various kinds of crankery).
24. Assorted cartoon characters. Sure, they're Toons, but so are Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and the rest of them. They don't count though because they are both fictional and demented.
25. Ayn Rand. Not great, not a real philosopher, and not nearly dead enough.
26. George Santayana.. Maybe not quite white enough. He was Spanish. No not confuse with the guitar player.

Can anybody think of any others? And remember, just because they say they are great, they say they are thinkers, they say they are conservatives, or they claim to be white or dead men, doesn't mean you should believe them. See Newt Gingrich, the latest in a long series of Fathers of the Faith claiming the mantel of Father of Southern Revisionism. And Rush Limbaugh, who is just a giant sack of horse manure.

*So he's fictional. I'm running out of names. But bloodsucking aristocrats are hard to come by nowadays unless you count the 10,000 families that still own most of the land in the UK--or any other country for that matter, or count the nouveaux riches who think they are aristocrats.
 
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