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2012-02-20 12:29:08 PM
And in a totally non-related story, ABC News studios have been updated with all new Apple computers.
 
2012-02-20 01:27:42 PM
Slave Different
 
2012-02-20 02:37:15 PM
Whoa! Cool article, I always wondered how they put that Apple logo thingee in the lid.
 
2012-02-20 02:38:40 PM
Headline is a lie. There is no Apple control of what ABC can air.

Subby, are you a paid shill or a brainwashed douchebag? Whoever greenlit this: same question.
 
2012-02-20 02:39:24 PM
Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...

*except Acer, Amazon, Microsoft, HP, Intel, Dell, Samsung, Cisco, Cisco, Toshiba, Motorola, and dozens others...
 
2012-02-20 02:39:37 PM
Guess who the largest stockholder in Disney/ABC is?

The estate of Steve Jobs.
 
2012-02-20 02:45:47 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Guess who the largest stockholder in Disney/ABC is?

The estate of Steve Jobs.


You ask us to guess then blurt out the answer? Not cool man. Not cool.
 
2012-02-20 02:48:31 PM

bingethinker: Headline is a lie. There is no Apple control of what ABC can air.

Subby, are you a paid shill or a brainwashed douchebag? Whoever greenlit this: same question.


I get a kick that the person green lighting these stories keeps it "Mc" rather than "Mac". The admins fix it for other stores, but neglect to do so for Apple stories. Apparently both subby and the admin are five and are very angry with Apple.
 
2012-02-20 02:48:39 PM

WalkingSnake: Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...

*except Acer, Amazon, Microsoft, HP, Intel, Dell, Samsung, Cisco, Cisco, Toshiba, Motorola, and dozens others...


Those companies don't attract the same level of anti-fanboism, so their identical labor practices do not count.
 
2012-02-20 02:50:20 PM
Everything is made at foxconn so I'm not gonna come down on apple for using them. The ONLY thing about this whole story that galls me at all is this: Apple apparently is legendary at negotiating privacy, security, employee contracts, supply chain issues, and even content terms. But all their most ardent supporters get all like 'everyone uses them', 'blame china, not apple', 'blame foxconn, not apple' - when the truth is if it was as important as Mr Cook says he would simply insist things be changed and he would insist the changes happen now. I refuse to believe that the company that labors incessantly over which font or hue of beige couldn't effect real and immediate change if it was important to them as they claim it was. They can insist on insane tolerances with respect to assembly and get it - they can't mandate worker hours be cut and have it happen tomorrow? Please. It always has been and always will be about the bottom line. I'm not even saying that's wrong, just stop blowing smoke already.
 
2012-02-20 02:50:47 PM
Potemkin Village coming up lots of happy workers dancing around. The suicide nets will come down.
 
2012-02-20 02:54:39 PM

bingethinker: Headline is a lie. There is no Apple control of what ABC can air.

Subby, are you a paid shill or a brainwashed douchebag? Whoever greenlit this: same question.


You mad?

You see, here at fark often times headlines are misleading and trolling, and thus end up getting green lit.

It isn't exclusive to Apple, which you seem to have a huge love for.
 
2012-02-20 03:08:11 PM
Nothing quite demonstrates Apple's corporate slogan "Think Different" quite like a fanatic customer base arguing the "status quo" defense.
 
2012-02-20 03:14:58 PM

bingethinker: Headline is a lie. There is no Apple control of what ABC can air.

Subby, are you a paid shill or a brainwashed douchebag? Whoever greenlit this: same question.


Um, a contract allowing access to information only in exchange for a review of the finished report is not really unusual. Mitigates the risk to both parties-- reporter sneaking in to look at shiat doesn't get arrested for trespassing, and if it turns into a hit piece the company has grounds to sue.

WalkingSnake: Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...

*except Acer, Amazon, Microsoft, HP, Intel, Dell, Samsung, Cisco, Cisco, Toshiba, Motorola, and dozens others...


Really? Your excuse is "everyone's doing it, mommmmmm"? And that's supposed to make it OK?

What are you, five?
 
2012-02-20 03:17:37 PM
Allow me to explain how Chinese factories work:

1. You send your factory your supplier code of conduct.
2. They send you back a number of letters swearing they'll obey it and glowing reports of how well it was received by everyone.
3. Your code of conduct is poorly translated and posted on some wall in a dark corner.
4. Slave shop like production begins.
5. When you go to visit the factory you call ahead. The fact you are visiting is known. On the day you arrive your code of conduct is obeyed near perfectly and all the safety equipment looks brand new (as in it may have been bought the night before kind of new).
6. No worker says anything because the manager of the factory is hovering there as you walk over the factory floor. If they say anything out of place they will be fired the minute you leave.
7. You leave, back to slave labor.

CSB:
I actually tried to pull a surprise inspection on a factory in China and this is how it went down.

1. I arrive at the gate, no one speaks English.
2. No problem I speak enough Mandarin to convey what I want.
3. The guy working the gate suddenly doesn't speak Mandarin anymore, but instead just the regional Changsha dialect.
4. That's cool, the intern I brought grew up in Changsha and can speak it.
5. My corporate ID does not appear valid, they must inspect it and call people.

As they run out of areas to stall me, the manager starts to feel me out to see if a nice bribe would make me come back tomorrow and/or write a clean report. When I don't bite on that offer, he finally announces he'd love to let me in but the have a fire drill scheduled for this afternoon. I'm welcome to watch that though (and yes the fire drill and ensuing safety lecture) would take all afternoon.

Basically ABC is going to go in there and come out with a report that everything looks great, because the managers of these factories know how to manage appearances.
 
2012-02-20 03:19:47 PM

ha-ha-guy: When I don't bite on that offer, he finally announces he'd love to let me in but the have a fire drill scheduled for this afternoon.


Please don't make me say it....
 
2012-02-20 03:22:02 PM

WalkingSnake: Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...


Because Apple is their biggest client.
 
2012-02-20 03:28:33 PM
ABC? Fantastic!

www.concertlivewire.com

/who needs the moon, when we've got the stars!
 
2012-02-20 03:35:40 PM

ha-ha-guy: Allow me to explain how Chinese factories work:


Right. But apparently NO ONE dictates terms to the apple corporation and that's why all their shiat is so perfect. They let things be as they are because it's convenient and actually works in their favor. Just stop telling me you give a shiat already because if you did you'd have dictated things change and you'd have done it a long time ago. I don't care either really, just stop telling me you really do Tim Cook, because you don't. And I'm fine with that - just stop being so two-faced about it.
 
2012-02-20 03:38:13 PM

digistil: bingethinker: Headline is a lie. There is no Apple control of what ABC can air.

Subby, are you a paid shill or a brainwashed douchebag? Whoever greenlit this: same question.

I get a kick that the person green lighting these stories keeps it "Mc" rather than "Mac". The admins fix it for other stores, but neglect to do so for Apple stories. Apparently both subby and the admin are five and are very angry with Apple.


The butthurt is strong is these ones.

bingethinker: Headline is a lie. There is no Apple control of what ABC can air.

Subby, are you a paid shill or a brainwashed douchebag? Whoever greenlit this: same question.


This butthurt has never heard of a release form. I wonder if they are a paid shill for apple?

digistil: I get a kick that the person green lighting these stories keeps it "Mc" rather than "Mac". The admins fix it for other stores, but neglect to do so for Apple stories. Apparently both subby and the admin are five and are very angry with Apple.


more strong butthurt. It`s like a public school in here!
 
2012-02-20 03:39:58 PM

MrEricSir: WalkingSnake: Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...

*except Acer, Amazon, Microsoft, HP, Intel, Dell, Samsung, Cisco, Cisco, Toshiba, Motorola, and dozens others...

Those companies don't attract the same level of anti-fanboism, so their identical labor practices do not count.


Their profit margins are also much, much lower. I think it was the timing of this. Apple announces record profits and then we're shown how horrible their production workers are treated.
 
2012-02-20 03:40:02 PM

JohnBigBootay: ha-ha-guy: Allow me to explain how Chinese factories work:

Right. But apparently NO ONE dictates terms to the apple corporation and that's why all their shiat is so perfect. They let things be as they are because it's convenient and actually works in their favor. Just stop telling me you give a shiat already because if you did you'd have dictated things change and you'd have done it a long time ago. I don't care either really, just stop telling me you really do Tim Cook, because you don't. And I'm fine with that - just stop being so two-faced about it.


... new meme?
 
2012-02-20 03:43:33 PM

Theaetetus: ... new meme?


I can dream. That would be fabulous - I've never started a meme before.
 
2012-02-20 03:44:30 PM

Jim_Callahan: bingethinker: Headline is a lie. There is no Apple control of what ABC can air.

Subby, are you a paid shill or a brainwashed douchebag? Whoever greenlit this: same question.

Um, a contract allowing access to information only in exchange for a review of the finished report is not really unusual. Mitigates the risk to both parties-- reporter sneaking in to look at shiat doesn't get arrested for trespassing, and if it turns into a hit piece the company has grounds to sue.

WalkingSnake: Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...

*except Acer, Amazon, Microsoft, HP, Intel, Dell, Samsung, Cisco, Cisco, Toshiba, Motorola, and dozens others...

Really? Your excuse is "everyone's doing it, mommmmmm"? And that's supposed to make it OK?

What are you, five?


Wow, defensive much? I never said it's okay or right. But it's tiring that the anti-Apple-fanboys have to scream "ZOMG APPLE IS EVIL FOR USING CHINESE LABOR!" when in reality every product they're using has some involvement there, too.

But hey, feel free to continue calling people children. Everyone else will think you're cool.
 
2012-02-20 03:46:55 PM

change1211: Their profit margins are also much, much lower. I think it was the timing of this. Apple announces record profits and then we're shown how horrible their production workers are treated.


From a purely selfish standpoint, I like the heavy pressure brought against Apple. They have something like 18 billion in cash reserves. They're the company that is in the position to spend cash in the interest of something game changing, like a massively automated factory in America for iPhone development.

Not many other American companies are sitting on a pile of cash that would allow them to actually put some serious effort behind advancing robotics. The auto industry has kind of stalled out due to recent issues (both American and Japanese companies). We still toy around with the robotic arms and the like, but its more of just a sideshow.

Apple though only wants to be a design company, so that is why they get grumpy whenever they're lectured on their manufacturing. That's the big issue is that a lot of the tech companies have chosen to excel at ideas and design, while just figuring anyone can build it.
 
2012-02-20 03:49:43 PM

change1211: I think it was the timing of this. Apple announces record profits and then we're shown how horrible their production workers are treated.


Exactly. How often did they fail the max hours worked audit for the last few years? Like 60% of the time? Seems to me apple wouldn't accept failing any other kind of control at a fraction of that rate.
 
2012-02-20 03:57:39 PM
I'd think its Foxconns plant. Their approval would be needed more than Apple's since they make equipment for many different hardware dealers. More than one companies IP will be laid out for all to see.

I'd also suspect that "all access" means all access to a predetermined building at a specific time, where all the well rested happy workers will be ready to take interviews.
 
2012-02-20 04:10:36 PM
Slavery is involuntary servitude. That's like Social Security.

Foxconn is a place where you choose to work and they have thousands applying for jobs all the time. That's a lot of people volunteering to be "enslaved".


Average Salaries (USD)
-------------------------------
Engineer and Computer Programmer - $252/month

Foxconn Junior Worker - $285/month

Foxconn Worker (with training) - $349/month
 
2012-02-20 04:14:48 PM

GoldSpider: ha-ha-guy: When I don't bite on that offer, he finally announces he'd love to let me in but the have a fire drill scheduled for this afternoon.

Please don't make me say it....


CHINESE FIRE DRILL!!!

/everyone must now randomly exchange login names
 
2012-02-20 04:23:13 PM
take the name Apple out of the equation and look at this for its face value:


Corporation A allows corporate media outlet B into its controversial manufacturing hub. Do you honestly think you're going to get a raw, unpolished, and unbiased look into what really goes on in there?
 
2012-02-20 04:36:08 PM

WalkingSnake: Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...

*except Acer, Amazon, Microsoft, HP, Intel, Dell, Samsung, Cisco, Cisco, Toshiba, Motorola, and dozens others...


I'm sure Apple gets singled out as Foxconns largest client, and the fact that Apple really put themselves in the spotlight as a 'good guys' company.
Think Different and all that crap.

/Written on my MacBook Pro.
 
2012-02-20 04:39:09 PM

Cndn Bacon: WalkingSnake: Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...

Because Apple is their biggest client.


Add to that the touchy-feely warm-and-fuzzy persona that Apple foists upon it's gullible fan base and you begin to see the hypocrisy. Too, the fact that Apple is all of the sudden addressing this China issue only after the bad press that's been surfacing. It all stinks. But...their customers will continue lining up for their next offering.
 
2012-02-20 04:41:16 PM

Pick: Whoa! Cool article, I always wondered how they put that Apple logo thingee in the lid.


Laser/Plasma cutter, with someone to file/trim the waste material around the opening (a job a human is better at). Seen similar people doing similar things with injection moulding stuff since I was a kid (both in factories and myself with Airfix kits).

It's even more boring than you imagined. Sorry.
 
2012-02-20 04:43:16 PM

bigpeeler: Cndn Bacon: WalkingSnake: Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...

Because Apple is their biggest client.

Add to that the touchy-feely warm-and-fuzzy persona that Apple foists upon it's gullible fan base and you begin to see the hypocrisy. Too, the fact that Apple is all of the sudden addressing this China issue only after the bad press that's been surfacing. It all stinks. But...their customers will continue lining up for their next offering.


Because nobody possibly buys Apple because they're good products?

Yeah I'm not saying their practices are right, but if people are demanding change, demand it from all the companies, not just the ones you hate most.

/owned both iPhone and a Samsung Android
//had no problems with Apple, multiple problems with Samsung
 
2012-02-20 04:43:54 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:
Think Different and all that crap.


The long term implication of marketing slogans on public perception of a company. Someone could do a fascinating paper on that as I'm sure Apple can't be the only company to get bitten in the ass by it.
 
2012-02-20 04:46:30 PM

MrEricSir:
Those companies don't attract the same level of anti-fanboism, so their identical labor practices do not count.


You've never seen a PS3 fanboi and a 360 fanboi go for it have you? Sweet Jesus they make all of us regulars in these threads look like rank amateurs.
 
2012-02-20 04:48:09 PM

Vaneshi: Abe Vigoda's Ghost:
Think Different and all that crap.

The long term implication of marketing slogans on public perception of a company. Someone could do a fascinating paper on that as I'm sure Apple can't be the only company to get bitten in the ass by it.


Remember Google's "Do no evil"?
 
2012-02-20 04:49:55 PM

DORMAMU:
/everyone must now randomly exchange login names


Fine.

My password is: **********

I hope it makes it past Fark's auto-filter.
 
2012-02-20 04:50:06 PM

Funny thing...

Same story, other site (Yahoo!), (new window)

Much more detailed, with a slight detail that I enjoyed reading (unless I missed it in the greenlit one).

FTFA


When Apple first called, I assumed this audit would include a surprise inspection. But Foxconn has known for days that we were coming and in fact helped us get Chinese visas.


Need I say more?
 
2012-02-20 04:51:26 PM

digistil:
Remember Google's "Do no evil"?


Good point. So yeah, that'd be an interesting paper to read.
 
2012-02-20 04:53:06 PM

Vaneshi: Abe Vigoda's Ghost:
Think Different and all that crap.

The long term implication of marketing slogans on public perception of a company. Someone could do a fascinating paper on that as I'm sure Apple can't be the only company to get bitten in the ass by it.


bigdan.us
 
2012-02-20 04:55:59 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Vaneshi: Abe Vigoda's Ghost:
Think Different and all that crap.

The long term implication of marketing slogans on public perception of a company. Someone could do a fascinating paper on that as I'm sure Apple can't be the only company to get bitten in the ass by it.

[bigdan.us image 350x527]


o.O

wtfamireading.jpg
 
2012-02-20 05:00:22 PM
So they're still making iPad 2s? That's not what I'd be expecting to see at this point.
 
2012-02-20 05:06:47 PM

Nem Wan: So they're still making iPad 2s? That's not what I'd be expecting to see at this point.


It's likely the iPad 1 will cease production and be phased out with the 2 becoming the 'cheaper' model, as as happened last year.
 
2012-02-20 05:12:16 PM

MrEricSir: WalkingSnake: Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...

*except Acer, Amazon, Microsoft, HP, Intel, Dell, Samsung, Cisco, Cisco, Toshiba, Motorola, and dozens others...

Those companies don't attract the same level of anti-fanboism, so their identical labor practices do not count.


Their products are also cheaper.
 
2012-02-20 05:15:27 PM

WalkingSnake: bigpeeler: Cndn Bacon: WalkingSnake: Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...

Because Apple is their biggest client.

Add to that the touchy-feely warm-and-fuzzy persona that Apple foists upon it's gullible fan base and you begin to see the hypocrisy. Too, the fact that Apple is all of the sudden addressing this China issue only after the bad press that's been surfacing. It all stinks. But...their customers will continue lining up for their next offering.

Because nobody possibly buys Apple because they're good products?

Yeah I'm not saying their practices are right, but if people are demanding change, demand it from all the companies, not just the ones you hate most.

/owned both iPhone and a Samsung Android
//had no problems with Apple, multiple problems with Samsung


You're coming off as a bit of a fanboy, tone it down a bit. Oh, and your example of one Apple phone and one Samsung phone doesn't mean a thing. I know people who have gone through three or four iPhones before just giving up and buying something else.
 
2012-02-20 05:24:14 PM

coco ebert: MrEricSir: WalkingSnake: Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...

*except Acer, Amazon, Microsoft, HP, Intel, Dell, Samsung, Cisco, Cisco, Toshiba, Motorola, and dozens others...

Those companies don't attract the same level of anti-fanboism, so their identical labor practices do not count.

Their products are also cheaper.


So these shiatty labor practices are okay if they result in cheap products?
 
2012-02-20 05:33:55 PM

MrEricSir: coco ebert: MrEricSir: WalkingSnake: Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...

*except Acer, Amazon, Microsoft, HP, Intel, Dell, Samsung, Cisco, Cisco, Toshiba, Motorola, and dozens others...

Those companies don't attract the same level of anti-fanboism, so their identical labor practices do not count.

Their products are also cheaper.

So these shiatty labor practices are okay if they result in cheap products?


They're never okay but if a company can easily afford to manufacture their products in the US instead of using Foxconn then I think they deserve some of the flack they're getting. I don't really see why that is such a hard concept to grasp.
 
2012-02-20 05:35:42 PM

MrEricSir: coco ebert: MrEricSir: WalkingSnake: Because Apple is the only company* that uses Foxconn...

*except Acer, Amazon, Microsoft, HP, Intel, Dell, Samsung, Cisco, Cisco, Toshiba, Motorola, and dozens others...

Those companies don't attract the same level of anti-fanboism, so their identical labor practices do not count.

Their products are also cheaper.

So these shiatty labor practices are okay if they result in cheap products?


As someone who has studied and followed labor practices- absolutely not. I was just speaking to why Apple may get more public attention on this issue than other companies. I remember noise about labor practices when their huge profit from last year was announced as well.
 
2012-02-20 05:43:00 PM

WalkingSnake:
But it's tiring that the anti-Apple-fanboys have to scream "ZOMG APPLE IS EVIL FOR USING CHINESE LABOR!" when in reality every product they're using has some involvement there, too.


It's probably especially tiring for you since it's only happening in your own mind. The provocation existed only in your head.
 
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