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(AlterNet)   Four pending 'Barefoot and Pregnant' laws, from abolishing the Hippocratic Oath to just making getting an abortion felony worth 10 years in prison   (alternet.org) divider line 292
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2012-02-20 10:23:48 AM  
The next time a Republican says he's for less government, make sure you let him/her know they're just a lying political whore...
 
2012-02-20 10:42:05 AM  
Would this be the Hippocratic Oath that bans doctors from performing abortions?
 
2012-02-20 10:47:02 AM  

ArkAngel: Would this be the Hippocratic Oath that bans doctors from performing abortions?


Come on now. It's just a clump of cells. No harm done, you know.
 
2012-02-20 10:48:08 AM  

NFA: The next time a Republican says he's for less government, make sure you let him/her know they're just a lying political whore...


You might be confusing "less" with "smaller" government

/like small enough to fit into body orifices
 
2012-02-20 10:51:10 AM  
Four pending 'Barefoot and Pregnant' laws

These are pending in much the same way as my threesome with Kate Beckinsale and the 1984 version of Rachel Ward is pending.
 
2012-02-20 10:53:59 AM  

Gulper Eel: These are pending in much the same way as my threesome with Kate Beckinsale and the 1984 version of Rachel Ward is pending.


The Virginia law has passed the House, is expected to pass the Senate, and the Governnor has already said he'll sign it. So, I guess, have fun with your threesome.
 
2012-02-20 11:02:41 AM  
Looks like I'm a future potential felon if I ever move to Iowa.

/Lol, moving to Iowa
 
2012-02-20 11:02:42 AM  
This is insane. What right do these men have to tell women what they can or cannot do with their bodies?
NONE.
 
2012-02-20 11:03:40 AM  

Gulper Eel: Four pending 'Barefoot and Pregnant' laws

These are pending in much the same way as my threesome with Kate Beckinsale and the 1984 version of Rachel Ward is pending.


Never, ever, ever, ever underestimate just how stupid lawmakers in Kansas are.
 
2012-02-20 11:09:22 AM  

Gulper Eel: Four pending 'Barefoot and Pregnant' laws

These are pending in much the same way as my threesome with Kate Beckinsale and the 1984 version of Rachel Ward is pending.


As has been pointed out, the Virginia law is pretty much a guarantee (though it will hopefully not survive a court challenge). Also, the Kansas law is just a compendium of other smaller laws that have all survived court challenges in the past and so therefore should pass.

But you're right about the Oklahoma law and the Iowa law. The former law may pass, but will be struck down by the courts, and the latter law will definitely not pass.

/incidentally, check out the comments for famous sci-fi/fantasy writer Mercedes Lackey talking about how she's going to personally file a class action lawsuit in Oklahoma if the law passes.
 
2012-02-20 11:11:44 AM  

kronicfeld: The Virginia law has passed the House, is expected to pass the Senate, and the Governnor has already said he'll sign it.


And various motions against it will be filed before the ink's even dry, as usual.

So, I guess, have fun with your threesome.

And my wife's going to file a motion against that.
 
2012-02-20 11:14:42 AM  

AbbeySomeone: This is insane. What right do these men have to tell women what they can or cannot do with their bodies?
NONE.


You're right, of course, rhetorically.

But these legislators were elected by the people of the state to craft laws. So they in fact have the right to make laws that tell women what they can and cannot do within the state.

Which isn't to say that the laws aren't bad or even unconstitutional, they most certainly are onerous and should be stricken by the courts if passed by the legislature.
 
2012-02-20 11:19:57 AM  
I thought the Republicans didn't want the government coming between you and your doctor?
 
2012-02-20 11:20:56 AM  
Oklahoma's in there, aren't they.......checks.....YES!

/I'm so proud!
//jk
 
2012-02-20 11:21:09 AM  

Mentat: I thought the Republicans didn't want the government coming between you and your doctor?


You misunderstood. They don't the government coming between a man and a doctor. They want to destroy women's rights.
 
2012-02-20 11:22:38 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: ArkAngel: Would this be the Hippocratic Oath that bans doctors from performing abortions?

Come on now. It's just a clump of cells. No harm done, you know.


There is no such thing as homunculus. There is no tiny human riding on the woman's egg. I know its science and its hard to understand and all, but this whole idea of an itty bitty human riding on the tip of a man's penis has pretty well been debunked.

You do realize that that is what you are basing your argument on, right? .
 
2012-02-20 11:26:37 AM  

Calmamity: AverageAmericanGuy: ArkAngel: Would this be the Hippocratic Oath that bans doctors from performing abortions?

Come on now. It's just a clump of cells. No harm done, you know.

There is no such thing as homunculus. There is no tiny human riding on the woman's egg. I know its science and its hard to understand and all, but this whole idea of an itty bitty human riding on the tip of a man's penis has pretty well been debunked.

You do realize that that is what you are basing your argument on, right? .


Are you feeling guilty about your position on abortion or something? I don't think I mischaracterized the abortionist position at all.
 
2012-02-20 11:27:28 AM  

GAT_00: Mentat: I thought the Republicans didn't want the government coming between you and your doctor?

You misunderstood. They don't the government coming between a man and a doctor. They want to destroy women's rights.


I'm particularly interested in this idea that a woman's vagina becomes public property once she decides to use it. I wonder how long it will be before the GOP invokes Primae Noctis.
 
2012-02-20 11:42:09 AM  

GAT_00: You misunderstood. They don't the government coming between a man and a doctor. They want to destroy women's rights.


they do believe in coming in women's vaginas
 
2012-02-20 11:46:42 AM  
Man, the GOP really f*cking hates women, doesn't it?
 
2012-02-20 11:48:59 AM  

Mentat: I'm particularly interested in this idea that a woman's vagina becomes public property once she decides to use it


The GOP hates waiting periods, so 'm sure bet it's immediate.
 
2012-02-20 11:49:45 AM  

ArkAngel: Would this be the Hippocratic Oath that bans doctors from performing abortions?


hehehehehehehehe
That's so cute. The idea that the oath has ANY meaning.

Do no harm?
So breaking bones and resetting them should be banned, right?
So all surgery should be banned, right?
Chemo and radiation must be banned also right?
 
2012-02-20 11:49:52 AM  
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I'm voting for him because at least then I'll know that I voted for the honest guy
 
2012-02-20 11:51:40 AM  

AbbeySomeone: This is insane. What right do these men have to tell women what they can or cannot do with their bodies?
NONE.


To be fair, in all of recorded history women have only recently gotten any rights at all.
We had to amend the constitution for you women to be allowed to VOTE, let alone any other rights.
 
2012-02-20 11:54:52 AM  
I'd love to see voter demographics post-2012 elections, split by gender.
 
2012-02-20 11:57:57 AM  

Rincewind53: As has been pointed out, the Virginia law is pretty much a guarantee (though it will hopefully not survive a court challenge).


This ceased to be about human life or women's rights ages ago. Now it's just a square dance for lawyers and fundraisers. There are always fools with ready money who actually believe that this time their anti-abortion law is going to stand up in court, always legislators who are willing to pander to them knowing full well that their bills won't pass muster...and other fools with ready money inclined to believe the sales pitch about the GOP's War On Ladyparts.

It's all a load of edge-nibbling bullshiat.

Anybody seen the Human Life Amendment lately? Of course not.
 
2012-02-20 12:03:07 PM  
Ever notice that the people who most favor these kinds of laws are also the same people who flip right the fark out about men having to pay child support, and go on about the "unfairness" of divorce and custody proceedings and shiat like that?

It's pretty indicative that they're all about punishing whores making women "take responsibility for their actions" while also thinking that men bear no responsibility at all and shouldn't be held accountable for their part in the affair.

These kinds of anti-women, anti-sex, anti-birth control laws should come with clauses that says engaging in sexual intercourse counts as consent to pay child support and other associated costs involved with pregnancy, birth, and child raising. But the fact that they don't simply shows that these laws are designed to punish women for having sex
 
2012-02-20 12:08:47 PM  

Aarontology: Man, the GOP really f*cking hates women, doesn't it?


I think they've forgotten that broads can vote now.
 
2012-02-20 12:14:37 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I think they've forgotten that broads can vote now.


That's gotta be it. There's no way they can pursue these kinds of things and not realize that this kind of stuff pisses off most women, regardless of their party. It's just personal anecdote, but I know a few conservative women who writing the GOP off because of this kind of anti-woman nonsense.
 
2012-02-20 12:15:40 PM  

AbbeySomeone: This is insane. What right do these men have to tell women what they can or cannot do with their bodies?
NONE.


well when the men are done, men will still have the right to vote ...
 
2012-02-20 12:17:45 PM  
 
2012-02-20 12:19:20 PM  
Got damn, are the GOP capable of forming a platform issue that doesn't involve hating on massive portions of our population? Seriously, we've fought wars with countries that hate our citizens less.
 
2012-02-20 12:21:54 PM  

Aarontology: Ever notice that the people who most favor these kinds of laws are also the same people who flip right the fark out about men having to pay child support, and go on about the "unfairness" of divorce and custody proceedings and shiat like that?

It's pretty indicative that they're all about punishing whores making women "take responsibility for their actions" while also thinking that men bear no responsibility at all and shouldn't be held accountable for their part in the affair.

These kinds of anti-women, anti-sex, anti-birth control laws should come with clauses that says engaging in sexual intercourse counts as consent to pay child support and other associated costs involved with pregnancy, birth, and child raising. But the fact that they don't simply shows that these laws are designed to punish women for having sex


this is classic GOP cognitive dissonance. ABORTION is MURDER. but the death penalty is righteous smiting!!

why dont these anti-abortion laws also include increased penalties for the father?
1) the father of the child should be forced to take sole custody of the unwanted child.
2) if the mother is under the age of consent, the father should get the death penalty with no appeal. clearly he was a rapist.


I do predict that the bans on abortion, which still allow abortion in the case of rape, will cause a massive jump in the number of unsolved rape cases.

ACTUALLY, if that happen, isnt the aborted fetus EVIDENCE in the rape case? Use the DNA to hunt down the raping father??? bwhahahahahahaha

/god our country has gone completely insane.
 
2012-02-20 12:22:36 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Aarontology: Man, the GOP really f*cking hates women, doesn't it?

I think they've forgotten that broads can vote now.


That's next on their agenda.
 
2012-02-20 12:24:03 PM  

namatad: why dont these anti-abortion laws also include increased penalties for the father?
1) the father of the child should be forced to take sole custody of the unwanted child.


Exactly. If he didn't want responsibility for a child, he shouldn't have had sex. But doing so isn't in the spirit of punishing women for having sex, so it'll never happen.
 
2012-02-20 12:25:24 PM  

NFA: The next time a Republican says he's for less government, make sure you let him/her know they're just a lying political whore...


I'm sure they're aware of that, it's part of the game. "Hee Ha Ha, liberals think we give a shiat."
 
2012-02-20 12:25:42 PM  
These broad stances are just a way to dame the tide of radical feminism.
 
2012-02-20 12:25:58 PM  
These people are ridiculous...
 
2012-02-20 12:26:32 PM  
Is it me or does it seem like having a black president made every mouth breather lose their minds and decide it was time to attack the rights of everybody who doesn't have a penis, doesn't have white skin and isn't a Christian?
 
2012-02-20 12:27:32 PM  

NFA: The next time a Republican says he's for less government, make sure you let him/her know they're just a lying political whore...


Better a political whore than the actual whores the libs want to turn women into. At least the republicans only hurt themselves, rather than the sluts who are harming society itself.
 
2012-02-20 12:27:53 PM  
So, if we are giving personhood to fetuses at conception, that makes the drinking age 20 years and 3 months right?
 
2012-02-20 12:28:21 PM  

Outrageous Muff: These broad stances


republicans know a thing or two about broad stances
 
2012-02-20 12:29:47 PM  
Election year hysterics (no pun intended).

Every couple of years some right-wing issue that is either off the radar or something that is usually simmering suddenly gets brought up to energize the base.

Remember the Ground Zero Mosque? Went away right after the election.

Gay marriage, pledge of allegiance court decisions, etc.
 
2012-02-20 12:30:57 PM  

ongbok: Is it me or does it seem like having a black president made every mouth breather lose their minds and decide it was time to attack the rights of everybody who doesn't have a penis, doesn't have white skin and isn't a Christian?


And anyone poor, vets, people who may need Medicare/Medicaid, anyone involved with education at any level, Rachel Ray's scarf, mustard, the Muppets...fark it, can someone just post the list of things that make the GOP poop themselves? I think women need to be added to it.
 
2012-02-20 12:31:31 PM  

ArkAngel: Would this be the Hippocratic Oath that bans doctors from performing abortions?


FTA: "In other words, a physician could choose not to tell a woman something important about her own health if the doctor thought the woman might seek an abortion because of that information."

It would be the Hippocratic Oath that would imply that you tell someone if there's something wrong with their health.
 
2012-02-20 12:33:11 PM  

Elandriel: I'd love to see voter demographics post-2012 elections, split by gender.


2012 election results:

votes for the last male GOP standing candidate:
few brown women
few brown men
many OLD, white christian men
many OLD, white christian women

votes for the winner, relected President Obama
everyone else in the country

Gender will be less of an issue than age. The breakouts by age will be staggering.
Young voters will vote for President Obama in droves. Obama is their only hope for a future.
 
2012-02-20 12:33:29 PM  
Supported by anti-choice

That's as far as you needed to read.

Anyone who uses any term except "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice" is such a hard core fanatic that you cannot count on anything they say as being accurate.
 
2012-02-20 12:36:11 PM  
Three abortion threads. Its a hat trick. Should make for a busy President's Day on the Politicals tab.
 
2012-02-20 12:36:12 PM  

Aarontology: namatad: why dont these anti-abortion laws also include increased penalties for the father?
1) the father of the child should be forced to take sole custody of the unwanted child.

Exactly. If he didn't want responsibility for a child, he shouldn't have had sex. But doing so isn't in the spirit of punishing women for having sex, so it'll never happen.


so yah ....
If I was a parent, and my child was banned from getting an abortion in state, and was unable to flee to a free state, I would do a couple fun things.

1) have a court force a paternity test on the little snowflake
2) leave the baby in court with the father and walk away.

your baby, your problem

/yes, yes, yes, I know ... the likelihood of a mother actually leaving her baby behind is so low that it scary. But obvious from an evolutionary point of view.
 
2012-02-20 12:36:34 PM  
AbbeySomeone: This is insane. What right do these men have to tell women what they can or cannot do with their bodies?
NONE.


you quit yer yappin or we'll have to reexamine that pesky 19th Amendment
 
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