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2012-02-20 10:04:33 AM
It doesn't matter. Santorum can't win against Obama. Romney can't win against Obama. Huntsman could win against Obama, but he's no longer around.

The only hope the Republicans have is Gingrich, but realistically there really isn't any hope for the Republicans this November.
 
2012-02-20 10:33:45 AM
Now there's a mental image I did NOT need the first thing on a Monday...
 
2012-02-20 10:44:03 AM
The fact that a significant portion of America would even consider this guy boggles my mind.

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2012-02-20 10:46:52 AM
And just when you think he couldn't get any nuttier, now he's against prenatal screening. Not to hit below the belt or anything, but someone whose wife had a miscarriage and has a daughter with a fatal genetic disorder, I would think, would feel differently.
 
2012-02-20 10:47:50 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It doesn't matter. Santorum can't win against Obama. Romney can't win against Obama. Huntsman could win against Obama, but he's no longer around.

The only hope the Republicans have is Gingrich, but realistically there really isn't any hope for the Republicans this November.


Two things. If it isn't Romney, I'll abstain from voting, because the Obama alternatives at that point are worse than Obama. Second, do you believe for a second that Huntsman could have survived the same scrutiny given each preceding front runner? There are 3 big problems with Mitt Romney...he has changed his positions, he is like the Republican Obama...centrist, and he is Mormon and Republican. That last shouldn't matter but it does. You know who else is Mormon and Republican? Huntsman. He would have been made fun of for baptising dead people, and all the fun of that too. He would be critiqued for any position out of line with the conservative right...or those on the Democrat side who want him running but don't find him liberal enough.

Huntsman only looks good to Democrats...and then only until the frontrunner damage machine starts working.

Romney is competent, clean and articulate. And from day 1 has been criticized and targets from the left and right. And he's still the guy to beat in the primaries.

In some ways the primaries hurt the Republicans with how petty they've been. In another, they might help. By the time Romney is nominated, everything bad to say about him will have been said and Republicans will no longer care....and Democrats will barely care as they will have their own version of him in Obama. The independents (or whatever you want to call that middle ground) will vote based on two things 1) perception of which one is the most personable, and 2) the economy. If there is war or significant concern internationally, that might add a 3rd. But I doubt it at this point.
 
2012-02-20 10:51:33 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that a significant portion of America would even consider this guy boggles my mind.

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He seems nice. He seems sincere and genuine, if weird (the baby at home thing). He also seems stupid, bigotted, and out of touch with a society that moved on from Ozzie and Harriet to Ozze and Sharon.

I don't get it. I guess he is the "Not Romney or Gingrich" candidate. If you want conservative but not womanizing.
 
2012-02-20 10:59:59 AM

I_C_Weener: If you want conservative but not womanizing.


He has other woman problems.
 
2012-02-20 11:00:13 AM
Just remember, the people voting in the Republican primary are not actually sane.
 
2012-02-20 11:05:05 AM

Diogenes: And just when you think he couldn't get any nuttier, now he's against prenatal screening. Not to hit below the belt or anything, but someone whose wife had a miscarriage and has a daughter with a fatal genetic disorder, I would think, would feel differently.


But prenatal screening would be be against God's Will. You must understand that God is at heart a practical joker (source), and it was God's intent to make pregnancy kind of like a Jack-in-the-Box. You put the penis in, wait up to nine months and a surprise pops out, YAY!
 
2012-02-20 11:05:26 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that a significant portion of America would even consider this guy boggles my mind.

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That's because a significant portion of America don't know much about him.
 
2012-02-20 11:05:30 AM

Diogenes: I_C_Weener: If you want conservative but not womanizing.

He has other woman problems.


I think the other problems are with him, not them. It is one thing to be pro-life. It is another to be anti-woman. And he is clearly a throwback to the "barefoot and pregnant" but no abortions unless it is his wife...kind.
 
2012-02-20 11:14:51 AM

Code_Archeologist: You put the penis in, wait up to nine months and a surprise pops out, YAY!


*snert*
 
2012-02-20 11:39:51 AM
SO the GOP is going to run on a "Let's turn America into Iran, but with Jesus" platform.

OK. Good luck with that.
 
2012-02-20 11:52:15 AM
Can we please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASEPLEASE PLEASE PLASE stop talking about the election until august when it will actually matter?

/oh wait, we need ratings

carry on



(yes I realize there's a nomination process, but as a registered independent I do NOT give a shiat)
 
2012-02-20 11:53:58 AM

Backwards Cornfield Races: Can we please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASEPLEASE PLEASE PLASE stop talking about the election until august when it will actually matter?

/oh wait, we need ratings

carry on



(yes I realize there's a nomination process, but as a registered independent I do NOT give a shiat)


This is the real reason we need more Whitney Houstons dead, more wars in the Middle East, more OJ Simpson or Caylee Anthony Trials. This is news for the slow news day. Please, won't someone think of the news junkies and kill a waiter and ex-wife?!!!
 
2012-02-20 11:57:23 AM

Backwards Cornfield Races: (yes I realize there's a nomination process, but as a registered independent I do NOT give a shiat)


Which is what politicians hope and pray for. That by the time the actual election rolls around, people will have forgotten all the crazy shiat they said and advocated in the primaries because they didn't give a shiat.
 
2012-02-20 12:03:43 PM
All this doubt about Republicans happening within the primaries. Just imagine what it's going to be like in the general election.
 
2012-02-20 12:04:45 PM
Santorum makes more sense at the antichrist anyway
 
2012-02-20 12:04:54 PM
Earlier today Trump threatened to run if Santorum get's the nomination.

I can't imagine what am Obama/Santorum/Trump debate would be like.
 
2012-02-20 12:04:58 PM

Aarontology: SO the GOP is going to run on a "Let's turn America into Iran, but with Jesus" platform.

OK. Good luck with that.


That's been their platform since the mid 70s. And it's been somewhat successful.
 
2012-02-20 12:05:03 PM
This is just foreplay. You know Romney will finish on top of santorum
 
2012-02-20 12:05:18 PM
Wow, I never dreamed that Obama's reelection would be so easy.
 
2012-02-20 12:05:25 PM

Diogenes: I_C_Weener: If you want conservative but not womanizing.

He has other woman problems.


like hating them?
 
2012-02-20 12:06:14 PM

Aarontology: Backwards Cornfield Races: (yes I realize there's a nomination process, but as a registered independent I do NOT give a shiat)

Which is what politicians hope and pray for. That by the time the actual election rolls around, people will have forgotten all the crazy shiat they said and advocated in the primaries because they didn't give a shiat.


Which is why I'm voting for someone that is honest about their insanity. Vermin Supreme
 
2012-02-20 12:06:37 PM

Aarontology: Backwards Cornfield Races: (yes I realize there's a nomination process, but as a registered independent I do NOT give a shiat)

Which is what politicians hope and pray for. That by the time the actual election rolls around, people will have forgotten all the crazy shiat they said and advocated in the primaries because they didn't give a shiat.


I'd be willing to bet money that Santorum continues saying this same "gays are evil, sex without the sole intent of procreation is evil, women can't make their own decisions" shiat right up until and past the election. The only question is how much "Muslims are evil" he puts into the mix.
 
2012-02-20 12:07:54 PM
I called the Palin fiasco far in advance, and nailed every bit of their strategy.

So now I will predict their strategy on this one.

The GOP is ranking up the discord around the party to get the constituency frustrated at the lack of cohesive planning. Then at the right moment this year, probably Summer, they will pull a surprise candidate out of the hat that will "bridge the gaps," unite the party, resulting in a "fired up" constituency. They'll have all the marketing lined up before hand, and launch the entire thing in a media blitz akin to the Palin announcement (anyone else find it odd that the Palin "smootchy" bumper stickers were out the very next day?). The Santorum push is meant to keep the fringe 'nutters in the voting pool.

And it will be a close election...had they not done this with Palin, it wouldn't have been even as close as it was. The GOP knows exactly what they are doing.
 
2012-02-20 12:08:03 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: It doesn't matter. Santorum can't win against Obama. Romney can't win against Obama. Huntsman could win against Obama, but he's no longer around.

The only hope the Republicans have is Gingrich, but realistically there really isn't any hope for the Republicans this November.


I cringe every time I hear someone say this. It's hard enough getting Democrats off their asses to vote -the LAST thing we need is for them to be told that Obama is a shoo-in for reelection.
 
2012-02-20 12:08:35 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Earlier today Trump threatened to run if Santorum get's the nomination.

I can't imagine what am Obama/Santorum/Trump debate would be like.


It would end with Obama having an outline of his hand on his face and a sprained if not broken wrist. Possibly a concussion.
 
2012-02-20 12:09:45 PM
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2012-02-20 12:10:02 PM
Of course, the cream always rises to the top.
 
2012-02-20 12:10:53 PM
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2012-02-20 12:11:33 PM
I know Romney is a slimy prick who seems like he was built from a do-it-yourself politician kit.

But Christ, it scares me that a significant portion of the population looks at a man as genuinely stupid as Santorum and thinks, I'd go with this guy.
 
2012-02-20 12:11:44 PM

DarnoKonrad: That's been their platform since the mid 70s. And it's been somewhat successful.


Yeah, but now they are doubling down on it. It's 2012 and these morons are waging a war against birth control of all things, and making this a social issues campaign. After spending three years screaming about the economy.

Backwards Cornfield Races: Which is why I'm voting for someone that is honest about their insanity. Vermin Supreme


He should tap the Rent Is Too Damn High guy as VP

Karac: I'd be willing to bet money that Santorum continues saying this same "gays are evil, sex without the sole intent of procreation is evil, women can't make their own decisions" shiat right up until and past the election. The only question is how much "Muslims are evil" he puts into the mix.


I wouldn't take that bet. It's pretty much guaranteed he'll do that. His speech at the convention (whether as nominee or supporter) should be terrifying/hilarious.
 
2012-02-20 12:12:42 PM

Backwards Cornfield Races: Can we please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASEPLEASE PLEASE PLASE stop talking about the election until august when it will actually matter?

/oh wait, we need ratings

carry on



(yes I realize there's a nomination process, but as a registered independent I do NOT give a shiat)


You sound like you only watch the last five minutes of basketball games as well.
 
2012-02-20 12:12:50 PM

DarnoKonrad: [i.imgur.com image 640x355]


Santorum reminds me of Joel Osteen.

/not a compliment.
 
2012-02-20 12:13:41 PM

Macinfarker: I called the Palin fiasco far in advance, and nailed every bit of their strategy.

So now I will predict their strategy on this one.

The GOP is ranking up the discord around the party to get the constituency frustrated at the lack of cohesive planning. Then at the right moment this year, probably Summer, they will pull a surprise candidate out of the hat that will "bridge the gaps," unite the party, resulting in a "fired up" constituency. They'll have all the marketing lined up before hand, and launch the entire thing in a media blitz akin to the Palin announcement (anyone else find it odd that the Palin "smootchy" bumper stickers were out the very next day?). The Santorum push is meant to keep the fringe 'nutters in the voting pool.

And it will be a close election...had they not done this with Palin, it wouldn't have been even as close as it was. The GOP knows exactly what they are doing.


No, they don't. If they were this well-oiled machine, Palin would have vanished after 2008. The Republicans would have the Senate by a hair, and we wouldn't have seen the mess that jacked up our credit rating. The Republicans have been faltering for four years at this point, and that's being generous and ignoring Dubya like they've already done.

The people running have been a joke and their selected person has been another failure in a long line of them. They haven't planned anything. They've just trying to regain their footing after farking up in a spectacular way.

Anybody introduced now is going to be at a loss to win anything. Anybody introduced a few months before the election will be demolished.
 
2012-02-20 12:13:52 PM

Diogenes: And just when you think he couldn't get any nuttier, now he's against prenatal screening. Not to hit below the belt or anything, but someone whose wife had a miscarriage and has a daughter with a fatal genetic disorder, I would think, would feel differently.


I think thats entirely relevant. Its sad when public official can hide behind their family and still pass laws that affect their lives. It reminds me of when Kerry called out Cheney on his lesbian daughter. Sure thats not polite. But supporting laws like DOMA when you have a homosexual child is farked up.
 
2012-02-20 12:13:53 PM

rcantley: I know Romney is a slimy prick who seems like he was built from a do-it-yourself politician kit.

But Christ, it scares me that a significant portion of the population looks at a man as genuinely stupid as Santorum and thinks, I'd go with this guy.


If it weren't for Citizens United, idiots like Santorum would have been out of the process after the first caucus.

Thanks, Supreme Court!
 
2012-02-20 12:14:09 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Earlier today Trump threatened to run if Santorum get's the nomination.

I can't imagine what am Obama/Santorum/Trump debate would be like.


I don't know but I would make popcorn for that one!
 
2012-02-20 12:14:10 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that a significant portion of America would even consider this guy boggles my mind.

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Next time the Southern States start threatening to secede, I vote we just let them go.
 
2012-02-20 12:14:54 PM

All2morrowsparTs: Backwards Cornfield Races: Can we please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASEPLEASE PLEASE PLASE stop talking about the election until august when it will actually matter?

/oh wait, we need ratings

carry on



(yes I realize there's a nomination process, but as a registered independent I do NOT give a shiat)

You sound like you only watch the last five minutes of basketball games as well.


nba or college?
 
2012-02-20 12:15:37 PM

Diogenes: And just when you think he couldn't get any nuttier, now he's against prenatal screening. Not to hit below the belt or anything, but someone whose wife had a miscarriage and has a daughter with a fatal genetic disorder, I would think, would feel differently.


By his own logic, he should have let his wife die, not have a "miscarriage."
 
2012-02-20 12:16:35 PM

I_C_Weener: In some ways the primaries hurt the Republicans with how petty they've been. In another, they might help. By the time Romney is nominated, everything bad to say about him will have been said and Republicans will no longer care....and Democrats will barely care as they will have their own version of him in Obama. The independents (or whatever you want to call that middle ground) will vote based on two things 1) perception of which one is the most personable, and 2) the economy. If there is war or significant concern internationally, that might add a 3rd. But I doubt it at this point.


Well by that criteria Romney is doomed to lose then (that and any other criteria I can think of). Leaving aside the fact that the economy is improving enough to favor Obama, Romney couldn't win a personality contest with a mannequin. Romney has the same chance of appearing more personable than Obama that Stephanie Meyer does of writing good fiction.
 
2012-02-20 12:16:54 PM
There is no way nominating Santorum could backfire on the GOP.
 
2012-02-20 12:18:15 PM

Code_Archeologist: Just remember, the people voting in the Republican primary are not actually sane.


That should actually read, "Michigan Republican Primary Voters", a significantly lower representation of the state's voters, given the voter turnout for primaries.

Not sure I'm going to participate in Operation Hilarity after all. Part of me does not want all the media scrutiny and the country thinking we're a bunch of inbred religious zealots, which we are not. The other part is afraid of what will happen if the GOP indeed brokers a nomination. Jeb Bush? Chris Christie? Sarah Palin? Yeah, yeah...sure they say they won't run. For now.

I think it might just be bad juju to vote for someone you absolutely do not want in office.
 
2012-02-20 12:19:07 PM

Macinfarker: I called the Palin fiasco far in advance, and nailed every bit of their strategy.

So now I will predict their strategy on this one.

The GOP is ranking up the discord around the party to get the constituency frustrated at the lack of cohesive planning. Then at the right moment this year, probably Summer, they will pull a surprise candidate out of the hat that will "bridge the gaps," unite the party, resulting in a "fired up" constituency. They'll have all the marketing lined up before hand, and launch the entire thing in a media blitz akin to the Palin announcement (anyone else find it odd that the Palin "smootchy" bumper stickers were out the very next day?). The Santorum push is meant to keep the fringe 'nutters in the voting pool.

And it will be a close election...had they not done this with Palin, it wouldn't have been even as close as it was. The GOP knows exactly what they are doing.


Yeah, I don't think so. According to RCP, Obama is up on Satorum by 7, and up on Romney by 6 (new window), meanwhile, Obama's number are still going up (new window). For some reason I don't think finding a "middle" candidate between Santorum and Romney will help too much, and throwing a new candidate into the ring at that late a date means he won't be inoculated against any line of attack.
 
2012-02-20 12:19:23 PM

Macinfarker: I called the Palin fiasco far in advance, and nailed every bit of their strategy.

So now I will predict their strategy on this one.

The GOP is ranking up the discord around the party to get the constituency frustrated at the lack of cohesive planning. Then at the right moment this year, probably Summer, they will pull a surprise candidate out of the hat that will "bridge the gaps," unite the party, resulting in a "fired up" constituency. They'll have all the marketing lined up before hand, and launch the entire thing in a media blitz akin to the Palin announcement (anyone else find it odd that the Palin "smootchy" bumper stickers were out the very next day?). The Santorum push is meant to keep the fringe 'nutters in the voting pool.

And it will be a close election...had they not done this with Palin, it wouldn't have been even as close as it was. The GOP knows exactly what they are doing.


For some odd reason after reading your post, I feel the need to respond in Grand Moff Tarkin's voice.
 
2012-02-20 12:20:06 PM

Diogenes: And just when you think he couldn't get any nuttier, now he's against prenatal screening. Not to hit below the belt or anything, but someone whose wife had a miscarriage and has a daughter with a fatal genetic disorder, I would think, would feel differently.


makes sense. only a murderin' whore would want to know if her fetus had a horribly painful or incompatible-with-life disease.

/this guy is SUCH a jackass. no, Rick, you can't have/head a theocracy. not yours.
 
2012-02-20 12:21:40 PM
This wouldn't have been considered a bold statement several weeks ago, but I'll say it now despite the polling: Romney will win Michigan.

Santorum's already had several unforced errors since last week, and he'll keep on keeping on until Michigan votes. He'll scare enough people into holding their noses voting for Romney.
 
2012-02-20 12:22:10 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that a significant portion of America would even consider this guy boggles my mind.

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According to the polls I'm seeing, Santorum would get approximately 40% of the popular vote (new window) vs. Obama. This would still amount to an electoral massacre, but the fact that 40% of the people would vote for a guy who is against birth control, equates homosexuality with bestiality, and wants to "get science out of politics" doesn't fill me with rosy optimism about the future of our species.
 
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