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2012-02-20 01:15:21 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: The moderates aren't directing the party. The nutters have found their voice and they are running to the far right as fast as they can and requiring stricter purity tests with each debate. What's amazing to me is the number of people following them. These people cheered for letting the uninsured die, publically denounce a member of the military that is gay and celebrating Texas having the most executions. Charming folk.

I don't see them swinging back to the middle in 2016 like you do.


Well the Republican party is doomed as a national party then. You can't continue to win elections based on appealing to the xenophobia and misogyny of white protestant males when they represent an even smaller percentage of voters every year, at least on the national level.
 
2012-02-20 01:16:54 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that a significant portion of America would even consider this guy boggles my mind.

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That's because a significant portion of America don't know much about him.


Maybe they should look it up on Google.
 
2012-02-20 01:19:42 PM  

PanicMan: mccallcl: I predict a slow realization that Obama is actually not that bad, followed by the realization that more liberal policy results in better quality of life, followed by the realization that Democrats are just better for America. 20 years ago, it would have been laughable to think that Republicans would switch sides in droves to support a black President, but that was before Bush got greedy and dumped the contents of the cookie jar out onto the floor for his cronies to consume in record time.

I'd be happy if people realized that Obama is "slightly left of center", and not a "liberal".


LOL, no. How about "significantly right of center". He's a traditional conservative. You know, before they farked themselves forever with all the family values bullshiat. Compared to today's conservative, he's a card carrying commie. Compared to someone like Ronald Reagan, he is very similar. Minus the backward social values.
 
2012-02-20 01:20:35 PM  
I_C_Weener
Don't worry, I'm not voting for Lugar either. I'll abstain that time too. I can't support another 6 years for any old Senators, much less ones who instead of listening to their constitutency put them on a junk email list.

The alternative to Lugar is a crazy teabagger.

For Obama it was and is "socialism" or what is claimed to be that...maybe in a way it is in that Obama is taking a bigger hand than ever in controlling and guiding the economy.


Bigger than ever? In what respect? FDR took a much bigger hand in guiding the economy and it was much needed. Obama's initiative's don't come close.

All economies fall somewhere on the line between laissez faire capitalism and 100% state socialism. Obama is only a "socialist" compared to total laissez-faire, fark the middle class, fark the poor and let 'em die in the streets capitalism. He certainly does not push for a socialist system of government.
 
2012-02-20 01:23:10 PM  
Gwyrddu
Well the Republican party is doomed as a national party then. You can't continue to win elections based on appealing to the xenophobia and misogyny of white protestant males when they represent an even smaller percentage of voters every year, at least on the national level.

What they do is use a combination of social wedge issues and lies, lies, and more lies blared through their right wing media outlets to convince low information voters that the GOP cares about someone besides rich old white guys. It's been working fairly well for them.
 
2012-02-20 01:24:54 PM  

malaktaus: Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that a significant portion of America would even consider this guy boggles my mind.

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A lot of them don't know a damned thing about his positions, they just think he seems like a nice guy, the kind of guy you'd like to have as a neighbor. A lot of people barely have functioning brains.


Yep, a very quiet neighbor, who always kept to himself. You'd be shocked to read in the newspaper about how he brought home a dead baby one day.
 
2012-02-20 01:31:11 PM  
Santorum is now on top of Romney

Huh. I kinda figured he'd be a power bottom.
 
2012-02-20 01:32:03 PM  

joonyer:

LOL, no. How about "significantly right of center". He's a traditional conservative. You know, before they farked themselves forever with all the family values bullshiat. Compared to today's conservative, he's a card carrying commie. Compared to someone like Ronald Reagan, he is very similar. Minus the backward social values.


I guess that really depends on whether you judge him by what he has accomplished which will be strongly effected by what the other two branches of government currently are doing, or what he was actually trying to accomplish, which could be pretty different depending on his willingness to compromise. It also depends on whether you judge him based on American politics, or an international level where he obviously would appear much further to the right.

Anyway, in respect to American politics and with consideration of who is in congress, I'd say Obama is a moderate. Sadly, his views are rarely to the right of most people in America, he knows how much change most people will tolerate and aims for that (and sometimes doesn't even get that done).
 
2012-02-20 01:35:03 PM  
I'd be curious as to what Republican women think about Santorum. Do we have any in here?
 
2012-02-20 01:39:59 PM  

Macinfarker: FeedTheCollapse: I know no one is really voting FOR any of the candidates, but I can't imagine any good coming from nominating/appointing a candidate that's not currently in the running. I would actually bet the results would be worse than if any of the current people were running.

See McCain/Palin 2008. McCain was nowhere close in the polls until Palin came along, and the GOP voters got fired up. Voters have a tremendously low attention span, and even worse memory, so that strategy is bound to work more than once.


McCain/Palin is not really the same thing. People had already voted for McCain in the primaries, he just got a nominee that fired up the base even more. People are floating the idea that nominating someone who ISN'T running would somehow fire up the GOP base. I don't see that happening; quite the opposite, in fact.
 
2012-02-20 01:43:47 PM  

Di Atribe: I'd be curious as to what Republican women think about Santorum. Do we have any in here?


My grandparents are staunch Republicans. I imagine she actually agrees with him. I love my grandparents dearly but they're life GOPers, happy to toe whatever party line they're fed. And in their defense, they're just too old to put the critical thinking in to figure out what's actually going on and what it means.
 
2012-02-20 01:57:22 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that a significant portion of America would even consider this guy boggles my mind.

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significant is an interesting word.
30% of rep and rep leaning voters.
so ~15% of voters
is that significant? meh
is that large and scary? fark YES

esp since ~100% of the rep and rep leaning voters will vote for the rep candidate no matter WHO it is. ...
the rep voters will stay home and not vote before they would vote for satan, I mean the dems.
 
2012-02-20 01:59:34 PM  
 
2012-02-20 02:01:03 PM  

malaktaus: Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that a significant portion of America would even consider this guy boggles my mind.

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A lot of them don't know a damned thing about his positions, they just think he seems like a nice guy, the kind of guy you'd like to have as a neighbor. A lot of people barely have functioning brains.



I can't count how many times I hear, "I HATE politics...They're ALL crooks...I'll just be glad when this is all over" when trying to engage in political discourse.

I wonder how glad they'll be when they have to buy black market birth control.
 
2012-02-20 02:02:09 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Huntsman could win against Obama, but he's no longer around.


Huntsman was never more than a homeless man's version of Romney.
 
2012-02-20 02:09:24 PM  

lennavan: My grandparents are staunch Republicans. I imagine she actually agrees with him. I love my grandparents dearly but they're life GOPers, happy to toe whatever party line they're fed. And in their defense, they're just too old to put the critical thinking in to figure out what's actually going on and what it means.


My parents are much the same way. They toe the GOP line because they are religious. However, I can't imagine my mother supporting a man who supports medical policies that would literall kill me. Like, x_x fpppppppppt dead.

In fact, I can't imagine anyone who loves/cares about a woman of child-bearing age supporting Santorum. I have literally NEVER hated anyone that I didn't personally know until he came along. How can he be taken seriously? Are there really that many misogynists & racists out there who see him and think, "Yeah, he believes what I believe?" Or is it that they agree with him on one thing, therefore they convince themselves that they agree with him on everything? The fact that he is the frontrunner is completely outrageous to me.
 
2012-02-20 02:10:22 PM  
I don't care if he'll never win. The sad thing is, a significant portion of our country wants a theocrat to be president.
 
2012-02-20 02:13:11 PM  

namatad: the actual poll, rather than a retarded article about the poll (new window)


Note how Santorum's rise mirrors Gingrich right before he fell out of favor. There's no power to him besides being 'not Romney' and even then that won't be enough for Romney to eventually overcome him. And given Rick's biatchiness on various forms of media, he's probably got a little while before he sinks as well.

InmanRoshi: AverageAmericanGuy: Huntsman could win against Obama, but he's no longer around.

Huntsman was never more than a homeless man's version of Romney.


Huntsman was better off when he was an ambassador. He gave up his cushy job for absolutely nothing.
 
2012-02-20 02:13:35 PM  

KwameKilstrawberry: I can't count how many times I hear, "I HATE politics...They're ALL crooks...I'll just be glad when this is all over" when trying to engage in political discourse.


Seems to me that this is what Republicans say when you challenge them. "I hate them all, but I hate Obama the most." You can't get any debate out of them because once you point out one of their candidates doing something indefensible, they drag this one out.
 
2012-02-20 02:20:52 PM  

Di Atribe: I'd be curious as to what Republican women think about Santorum. Do we have any in here?


My sister-in-law's a Bible-thumping Fundie who voted Santorum in the FL primary. She's likes his deep commitment to family and stance against abortion. She's mum on his birth-control opinions because, although she's against the practice, she feels that's a private decision and gov't shouldn't get involved. However, she'll overlook that flaw in Santorum to make sure nobody murders babies, gays can't get married, and to get prayer back in schools--all like the Founding Fathers wanted.

Then there's the Teabagger friend who says Santorum's an out-of-touch idiot but she's still going to vote for him in the NJ primary. She says she doesn't want another Obama (meaning Romney) in office and won't vote for Newt because he wants to grant amnesty to illegals.

Another friend, a normal Republican, is voting Romney because she thinks Newt's a lying scumbag and Santorum's a lunatic who can only mean disaster for the country. She hates everything that Santorum stands for--his views on women, on religion in politics, gun control. Except the gay marriage thing. He may be right on that one because gays have civil unions and that should be good enough for them.

So, I guess what Republican women say about Santorum depends on their flavor of crazy.
 
2012-02-20 02:25:37 PM  

brigid_fitch: Di Atribe: I'd be curious as to what Republican women think about Santorum. Do we have any in here?

My sister-in-law's a Bible-thumping Fundie who voted Santorum in the FL primary. She's likes his deep commitment to family and stance against abortion. She's mum on his birth-control opinions because, although she's against the practice, she feels that's a private decision and gov't shouldn't get involved. However, she'll overlook that flaw in Santorum to make sure nobody murders babies, gays can't get married, and to get prayer back in schools--all like the Founding Fathers wanted.

Then there's the Teabagger friend who says Santorum's an out-of-touch idiot but she's still going to vote for him in the NJ primary. She says she doesn't want another Obama (meaning Romney) in office and won't vote for Newt because he wants to grant amnesty to illegals.

Another friend, a normal Republican, is voting Romney because she thinks Newt's a lying scumbag and Santorum's a lunatic who can only mean disaster for the country. She hates everything that Santorum stands for--his views on women, on religion in politics, gun control. Except the gay marriage thing. He may be right on that one because gays have civil unions and that should be good enough for them.

So, I guess what Republican women say about Santorum depends on their flavor of crazy.


BTW, I used to be Republican and, if I hadn't switched during the Clinton years, or somehow managed to hang on during the Bush years, AND weathered the McCain/Palin fiasco, this year's GOP contenders would absolutely make me jump ship. I don't understand why so many people are sticking to a party that's gone so far into the derp side.
 
2012-02-20 02:26:10 PM  
Santorum's going down.

all he has to do is keep talking

soon he will be circling the toilet bowl

after activating the flush mechanism all by himself.
 
2012-02-20 02:37:47 PM  

brigid_fitch: I don't understand why so many people are sticking to a party that's gone so far into the derp side.


Well, they are the party of fiscal responsibility.
 
2012-02-20 02:38:56 PM  
I'm starting to thing that Rick Santorum is the Republican equivalent of George McGovern, in that McGovern is what happened when the hard left got control of the nominating process and after that the party elders stepped in and figured out how to avoid a repeat of that disaster. Santorum is what happens when the hard right gets control of the nominating process, he's going to crash and burn, and the party elders are going to use that as an excuse to reign in the right to avoid a repeat.
 
2012-02-20 02:46:17 PM  

Diogenes: And just when you think he couldn't get any nuttier, now he's against prenatal screening. Not to hit below the belt or anything, but someone whose wife had a miscarriage and has a daughter with a fatal genetic disorder, I would think, would feel differently.


"What will Ofwarren give birth to? A baby, as we all hope? Or something else, an Unbaby, with a pinhead or a snout like a dog's, or two bodies, or a hole in its heart or no arms, or webbed hands and feet? There's no telling. They could tell once, with machines, but that is now outlawed. What would be the point of knowing, anyway? You can't have them taken out; whatever it is must be carried to term."

Gwyrddu: Well the Republican party is doomed as a national party then. You can't continue to win elections based on appealing to the xenophobia and misogyny of white protestant males when they represent an even smaller percentage of voters every year, at least on the national level.


Part of me doesn't think they intend to. I've got a crazy feeling that they're planning something...unAmerican that would get them the power they desire. If they country goes to hell as a result of it, so be it.

But then that feeling could be the result of reading Appian and "The Handmaid's Tale."
 
2012-02-20 02:46:29 PM  
this primary reminds me more and more of this (new window)

/"dooooon't sleep in the subwaaay BOOM!
//except this is real life.
 
2012-02-20 02:47:09 PM  

MadeuLaTerestrian: this primary reminds me more and more of this (new window)

/"dooooon't sleep in the subwaaay BOOM!
//except this is real life.


and by that idiocy i meant this (new window)
 
2012-02-20 02:48:12 PM  
Fiscally speaking, both Romeny and Santorum are closer to Democrats than Newt or RON PAUL.

social issues and national defense issues are... another issue.
 
2012-02-20 02:52:59 PM  

brigid_fitch: BTW, I used to be Republican and, if I hadn't switched during the Clinton years, or somehow managed to hang on during the Bush years, AND weathered the McCain/Palin fiasco, this year's GOP contenders would absolutely make me jump ship. I don't understand why so many people are sticking to a party that's gone so far into the derp side.


I used to be a Republican, too. I consider myself a moderate now, which means I'm a filthy liberal hippy to my former cohorts. I think the moment I switched was when I realized that if McCain got elected, Sarah Palin would be President. The last thing we needed was that lunatic being one old man's heartbeat away from having the nuke codes. Oh and probably also when I realized that I didn't really believe in half the things the GOP claimed to stand for.

Thanks for sharing those stories. I really am curious as to how Republican women can possibly defend him. I'm fine with people being pro-life (even if I don't fully agree, I can understand where their POV), as long as they're also pro-contraception.
 
2012-02-20 03:02:40 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-02-20 03:06:59 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: [i.imgur.com image 631x682]


Ew! Would not watch.
 
2012-02-20 03:07:01 PM  

Di Atribe: KwameKilstrawberry: I can't count how many times I hear, "I HATE politics...They're ALL crooks...I'll just be glad when this is all over" when trying to engage in political discourse.

Seems to me that this is what Republicans say when you challenge them. "I hate them all, but I hate Obama the most." You can't get any debate out of them because once you point out one of their candidates doing something indefensible, they drag this one out.


Or if you really wanna piss them, off - quote Jesus.
 
2012-02-20 03:15:31 PM  

KwameKilstrawberry: Or if you really wanna piss them, off - quote Jesus.


Oh you mean the whole kindness thing? Helping children, the elderly, & the poor? We should let the churches do that. Right after they're done building multi-million dollar churches. Also, could anyone please point me to the scripture that says I can't use contraception? Also, if we ban contraception, all of those condom factory & condom store employees will be out of work. JOBS, PEOPLE.
 
2012-02-20 03:18:50 PM  

lennavan: Di Atribe: I'd be curious as to what Republican women think about Santorum. Do we have any in here?

My grandparents are staunch Republicans. I imagine she actually agrees with him. I love my grandparents dearly but they're life GOPers, happy to toe whatever party line they're fed. And in their defense, they're just too old to put the critical thinking in to figure out what's actually going on and what it means.


My mom's an 82-year old Tennessee native. She hates to see Obama go on vacation, and once in a while says he hasn't done nuthin', but I always pull her back by explaining what he has done and what these GOP freaks stand for.

See, she's was also a working mom, a single mom and was the first generation on BCPs. We have interracial relationships and gays in our family, which barely ever raised an eyebrow with her. She is pro-choice and doesn't know why the hell they keep yammering about social issues when after 60 years of working, her Medicare and SSI keep getting held over her head.

/When I introduced her to Fark, the first article she just had to read was about Adam Lambert joining the Queen tour.
 
2012-02-20 03:26:59 PM  
Di Atribe
Are there really that many misogynists & racists out there who see him and think, "Yeah, he believes what I believe?"

Signs point to yes.

rynthetyn
I'm starting to thing that Rick Santorum is the Republican equivalent of George McGovern, in that McGovern is what happened when the hard left got control of the nominating process and after that the party elders stepped in and figured out how to avoid a repeat of that disaster. Santorum is what happens when the hard right gets control of the nominating process, he's going to crash and burn, and the party elders are going to use that as an excuse to reign in the right to avoid a repeat.

Bull. Portraying McGovern as hard left was Republican propaganda. In reality it means pretty much claiming that being antiwar meant he was "hard left". He was, of course, exactly right about the war. Instead we lingered in Vietnam, losing tens of thousands of lives and helping kill millions of Vietnamese, until 1975.

The democratic "party elders" were morons in the Nixon years. In '68 they went with Humphrey, a political animal with no principles who was entirely beholden to the party machine run by Daley, Meany, and others. He didn't even compete in the 15 states that actually held primaries and only got 2% of the vote there. This party machine, and specifically Daley, are the scum who unleashed the abusive Chicago PD to beat the shiat out of antiwar protesters who tried in vain to represent an actual liberal position. Nevertheless, Nixon was so pathetic that Humphrey managed to give him a run for it.

In '72 there were more primary states. Humphrey was still the favorite of the party machine, but they failed to win this time around because the redesigned nomination process reduced their power relative to the power of primary voters. Even though McGovern's general election campaign turned into a fiasco, in part because pissy party power brokers refused to financially support him and certainly in large part due to the Eagleton mess, at least the campaign broke the corrupt party machine power of reprehensible shiatbags like Daley and Meany.
 
2012-02-20 03:28:35 PM  

Di Atribe: KwameKilstrawberry: Or if you really wanna piss them, off - quote Jesus.

Oh you mean the whole kindness thing? Helping children, the elderly, & the poor? We should let the churches do that. Right after they're done building multi-million dollar churches. Also, could anyone please point me to the scripture that says I can't use contraception? Also, if we ban contraception, all of those condom factory & condom store employees will be out of work. JOBS, PEOPLE.


Oh, I should have clarified that...Yes, I try to quote New Testament Jesus. Not Prosperity Jesus, Common Sense Jesus, or Cute Jesus.

/Franco Zeffirelli's "Jesus of Nazereth" was the hottest Jesus of them all!
 
2012-02-20 03:28:51 PM  
Romney: To the Moneymobile!

He's going to buy this nomination come hell or high water.
 
2012-02-20 03:32:06 PM  
rynthetyn
I'm starting to thing that Rick Santorum is the Republican equivalent of George McGovern, in that McGovern is what happened when the hard left got control of the nominating process and after that the party elders stepped in and figured out how to avoid a repeat of that disaster.

One more point... party elders had jack all to do with Carter's nomination in '76. They didn't step in and fix things after the McGovern disaster. There were even more primaries and an almost entirely unknown candidate named Jimmy Carter took advantage of it.

/enough history... I got bored...
 
2012-02-20 03:42:41 PM  

culebra: Romney: To the Moneymobile!

He's going to buy this nomination come hell or high water.


You sound like you'd rather have Santorum. Sweet, sweet, syrupy Santorum.
 
2012-02-20 03:56:46 PM  
Di Atribe: In fact, I can't imagine anyone who loves/cares about a woman of child-bearing age supporting Santorum.


This needs to be shouted from the rooftops.

Hell, I can't form no more babby, but I've got two daughters, goddamn it. The younger one lives with her boyfriend and is starting to think a few years ahead about having a family. I'd like her to be able to plan that decision to the month, like I did when I decided to have kids.

The older is bisexual, athiest (joke's on her - she's been baptized!), had a minor offense in her teen years, does landscaping (strong like bull!) in the summer and has an herbalist boyfriend 30 years older (a very good and gentle man). Neither she nor her boyfriend conform to the standards of society (she once got stopped by the police for hula hooping in public as she walked down the street. A concerned citizen thought she may have escaped from a unit somewhere) yet they are both completely harmless, generous of spirit, very involved in community outreach here in the very worst parts of Detroit, even though the only resources they have is their time, desire and skills, and would like nothing more than to live off the grid.

You can probably see where I'm going with this:

In Santorum's America, my daughter would be burned as a heretic.

/now if I could only get the dumbshiat to vote
 
2012-02-20 03:57:32 PM  
img2.timeinc.net

Miss me yet?
 
2012-02-20 03:59:22 PM  

rcantley: I know Romney is a slimy prick who seems like he was built from a do-it-yourself politician kit.

But Christ, it scares me that a significant portion of the population looks at a man as genuinely stupid as Santorum and thinks, I'd go with this guy.


I can't think of anything other than Obama hate that drives these people. I've asked so many people over the last 3 years what, in particular, they don't like about him, why they are against his policies, etc. I've yet to hear a coherent argument. It's always "because soshulizm" or "because Jesus" or some equally stupid argument. Sometimes they wrap it up in a couple of near-verbatim Rush and Glenn Beck rants. I wonder what makes Obama different than other Presidents.
 
2012-02-20 04:01:45 PM  

brigid_fitch: My sister-in-law's a Bible-thumping Fundie who voted Santorum in the FL primary. She's likes his deep commitment to family and stance against abortion. She's mum on his birth-control opinions because, although she's against the practice, she feels that's a private decision and gov't shouldn't get involved. However, she'll overlook that flaw in Santorum to make sure nobody murders babies, gays can't get married, and to get prayer back in schools--all like the Founding Fathers wanted.


so she is a complete and total hypocrite who should be shunned by all free thinking humans.
plus does she have 1 child per year married?
does she personally, secretly use BC, including condoms or abstinence?

what kind of terrible xian is she??
sigh
 
2012-02-20 04:05:17 PM  

Macinfarker: I called the Palin fiasco far in advance, and nailed every bit of their strategy.

So now I will predict their strategy on this one.

The GOP is ranking up the discord around the party to get the constituency frustrated at the lack of cohesive planning. Then at the right moment this year, probably Summer, they will pull a surprise candidate out of the hat that will "bridge the gaps," unite the party, resulting in a "fired up" constituency. They'll have all the marketing lined up before hand, and launch the entire thing in a media blitz akin to the Palin announcement (anyone else find it odd that the Palin "smootchy" bumper stickers were out the very next day?). The Santorum push is meant to keep the fringe 'nutters in the voting pool.

And it will be a close election...had they not done this with Palin, it wouldn't have been even as close as it was. The GOP knows exactly what they are doing.


This thread is now bookmarked with a reminder to look back at it in August. I propose a wager, my good fellow - how much are you willing to put on this?
 
2012-02-20 04:08:58 PM  

rynthetyn: I'm starting to thing that Rick Santorum is the Republican equivalent of George McGovern, in that McGovern is what happened when the hard left got control of the nominating process and after that the party elders stepped in and figured out how to avoid a repeat of that disaster. Santorum is what happens when the hard right gets control of the nominating process, he's going to crash and burn, and the party elders are going to use that as an excuse to reign in the right to avoid a repeat.


hehehehehe
dukakis, gore, kerry
we sure did a GREAT JORB of reigning in the tards who got nominated ....

KERRY, with his 3 purple hearts lost to an AWOL coward????
bwhahahahahahahahaha
that is the saddest nomination of all time
 
2012-02-20 04:10:25 PM  

odinsposse: [img2.timeinc.net image 300x400]

Miss me yet?


pawlenty and huntsman ??
 
2012-02-20 04:10:25 PM  
This is good news

/forObama
//for the USA
///for the world
 
2012-02-20 04:13:37 PM  

KwameKilstrawberry: My mom's an 82-year old Tennessee native. She hates to see Obama go on vacation, and once in a while says he hasn't done nuthin', but I always pull her back by explaining what he has done and what these GOP freaks stand for.

See, she's was also a working mom, a single mom and was the first generation on BCPs. We have interracial relationships and gays in our family, which barely ever raised an eyebrow with her. She is pro-choice and doesn't know why the hell they keep yammering about social issues when after 60 years of working, her Medicare and SSI keep getting held over her head.


My entire family is (D), except for my grandparents. There is no possibility of pulling them back to explain what has been done and what has not been done. The point is more, they are Republicans, end of story. The only question is they have to figure out why they are Republicans every couple of years and if that requires making things up or gaps in information, well so be it. The only thing that is sure is that they will vote (R).

For the most part, we ignore politics around the holidays. But 4 years ago we just couldn't help ourselves, so we asked them how they felt about Sarah Palin being VP. Their main reason for voting McCain/Palin anyway? My grandfather was a war vet, and McCain was a war vet so they respected that. So they were willing to put Palin a McCain heartbeat away from nuclear codes because McCain is a vet. Of course you know, they didn't vote Kerry.
 
2012-02-20 04:13:53 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It doesn't matter. Santorum can't win against Obama. Romney can't win against Obama. Huntsman could win against Obama, but he's no longer around.

The only hope the Republicans have is Gingrich, but realistically there really isn't any hope for the Republicans this November.


and THAT is a wonderful feeling!
 
2012-02-20 04:19:20 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: I can't think of anything other than Obama hate that drives these people. I've asked so many people over the last 3 years what, in particular, they don't like about him, why they are against his policies, etc. I've yet to hear a coherent argument. It's always "because soshulizm" or "because Jesus" or some equally stupid argument. Sometimes they wrap it up in a couple of near-verbatim Rush and Glenn Beck rants. I wonder what makes Obama different than other Presidents.


I have gotten one good argument: the debt has grown under Obama. OK, that's fair. That's something to be upset about. I can understand that. However, he has done a lot of good things. And when they come back with "He's ruining our country," I like to ask people how their lives have taken a turn for the worse since January 2009. Specifically, which Obama policies have made your life bad?

Most common answers: my taxes went up, I don't want to pay for everyone's healthcare, and of course, "socialism." Follow-up question of "What is socialism?" usually leads to, "I don't want to talk about this any more."
 
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