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(LA Times)   The Simpson's 500th episode ends with the line: All we ask is that you go out and get some fresh air before logging on the internet and saying how much this sucked"   (latimes.com) divider line 252
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2012-02-20 11:38:41 AM

pedrop357: The Simpsons does the same crap that Family Guy does, lots of disconnected jokes and themes in a 23ish minute show.

I can't remember the last time I saw a Simpsons where the way it ended had some connection to the way it started ie., had a plot.


I can, last nights episode.
 
2012-02-20 11:39:25 AM
i.qkme.me
 
2012-02-20 11:40:24 AM

M0nkeyp0x: It's a cartoon show, so we should really judge it for the depth of it plots and how it has evolved over the years. People that put so much thought into an argument for this are the reason why I am starting to hate humanity.


It's a cartoon show that was once awesome and now sucks.

That didn't really take all that much thought.
 
2012-02-20 11:40:32 AM
Lulz.

Such hysteria over a program on the tee vee, or as my friend Joshua calls it the boob toob.

While you have been arguing, I have managed to ink a deal to have my translation and summary of Proust's À la recherche du temps perdu prepared for the Amazon Kindle.

Look for it trending: soon!
 
2012-02-20 11:42:49 AM
Still a good show, not family guy or american dad, but good. What about that abortion known as napoleon dynomite?
 
2012-02-20 11:43:08 AM
I haven't watched it in years, mostly because of lack of interest, but I can say that it's still gotta be better than half the new crap on TV. You know, Jersey Shore, Toddlers and Tiaras, (Insert random noun/verb) Wars, Real Housewives of Who Gives A Fark, etc.
 
2012-02-20 11:44:18 AM

halfof33: Lulz.

Such hysteria over a program on the tee vee, or as my friend Joshua calls it the boob toob.

While you have been arguing, I have managed to ink a deal to have my translation and summary of Proust's À la recherche du temps perdu prepared for the Amazon Kindle.

Look for it trending: soon!


Sorry, I only read such books in their native language, too much is lost in translation.
 
2012-02-20 11:44:31 AM
At this point, Simpsons is the third longest running scripted television show in history, behind only Lassie (588 episodes) and Gunsmoke (635 episodes).

Personally, I'd like to see Simpsons stay on the air to become the longest running scripted television show in history by a fair margin, so lets say hang it up at 700 episodes?
 
2012-02-20 11:45:36 AM

Crewmannumber6: Can we talk about something a little more significant? Like the fact that Raylan didn't wear his Stetson ONCE in last weeks episode of Justified!


Or the fact that "The Walking Dead" has now become so lethally boring that a character in the show just spontaneously fell into a catatonic state in an effort to leave the narrative.
 
2012-02-20 11:45:44 AM
So that's what it said. It flashed by so fast all I could read was the first bit about getting fresh air.

That sucks, come to think of it. Another joke ruined by the need to compress content to allow room for stupid commercials. I hate the Box Network and hope the Simpsons get out from under their thumb some day, to run in perpetuity on some better network that I don't have to pay extra for on cable or the web.

666 Entertainment is nearly as evil as 666 News.
 
2012-02-20 11:46:01 AM

The Simpsons and Saturday Night Live: two shows that troll the masses.


I haven't consistently watched the Simpsons, but not because I think it got bad. I just outgrew it and there are other things I'd rather watch/do than catch the show. I'm confused because for a show that Fox is keeping around since it seems to be making them money and drawing in viewers, by Fark comments you think hardly anyone watched it.


If you guys like quality programming so much then how come you all didn't tune in to "Community" to make it a rating's blockbuster?

 
2012-02-20 11:46:02 AM

pedrop357: I can't remember the last time I saw a Simpsons where the way it ended had some connection to the way it started ie., had a plot.


What made the show great in the beginning was that the end had no connection to the way it started. You watch the first 10 minutes thinking the episode was going to be about one thing, then it would go in a totally different direction.
 
2012-02-20 11:46:22 AM

RedPhoenix122: I haven't watched it in years, mostly because of lack of interest, but I can say that it's still gotta be better than half the new crap on TV. You know, Jersey Shore, Toddlers and Tiaras, (Insert random noun/verb) Wars, Real Housewives of Who Gives A Fark, etc.


You got that right. While I may disagree with others on when/if the Simpsons jumped the shark, people who watch that crap should be summarily executed.
 
2012-02-20 11:46:27 AM

pedrop357: The Simpsons does the same crap that Family Guy does, lots of disconnected jokes and themes in a 23ish minute show.

I can't remember the last time I saw a Simpsons where the way it ended had some connection to the way it started ie., had a plot.


American Dad is the best at this right now. As you said the Simpsons turn into a mess of subplots and gags.

Too bad Fox had to go cancel Futurama back in the day. Futurama could have just gracefully replaced the Simpsons and we could have missed the whole mid to late 2000s slide of the Simpsons.

/oh well I have Archer, so all good
 
2012-02-20 11:47:37 AM

booger42: (GaryColemand-whofarkingcares.jpg)

I'll watch new ones, I'll watch repeats - some are good, some not so good, but is it really necessary to biatch about when the show stopped being good?

/worst rant ever


This.
Also, I really don't think we're supposed to be watching the Simpsons expecting it to be realistic or even empathetic. I'm pretty sure it's not intended as life lessons or anything.
 
2012-02-20 11:48:58 AM
It still blows away South Park.

But them even american idol blows away south park
 
2012-02-20 11:49:11 AM

Lionel Mandrake: You got that right. While I may disagree with others on when/if the Simpsons jumped the shark, people who watch that crap should be summarily executed.


At least remove their ability to vote and reproduce.
 
2012-02-20 11:50:33 AM
Who the fark still "logs" on to the internet anymore. DSL/Cable/Sat/T1 log on once, always on.
 
2012-02-20 11:52:10 AM

brantgoose: So that's what it said. It flashed by so fast all I could read was the first bit about getting fresh air.

That sucks, come to think of it. Another joke ruined by the need to compress content to allow room for stupid commercials. I hate the Box Network and hope the Simpsons get out from under their thumb some day, to run in perpetuity on some better network that I don't have to pay extra for on cable or the web.

666 Entertainment is nearly as evil as 666 News.


I'm glad it wasn't just me. There were a couple of quick cutaway jokes with text during the episode, and I could barely get the gist of what it said, let alone actually read. I couldn't tell if it was just really fast editing, or if my literacy was actually dropping while I watched TV.
 
2012-02-20 11:52:22 AM
Why complain when you could simply not watch it? If it were no longer on the air, the only difference would be some other shiatty show would be on in that time slot. Like it or not, they're not bringing Titus back.
 
2012-02-20 11:52:46 AM

booger42: but is it really necessary to biatch about when the show stopped being good?


You kidding? That's the favorite hobby of 98% of all Farkers.

/Still watch. Haters gonna hate.
 
2012-02-20 11:53:47 AM

jbtilley: Wasilla Hillbilly: Each year makes it that much more unlikely that another show will catch up to it. 500 episodes is quite an accomplishment. I'd like to see it go for 600 or more before they give it up. That being said, I don't really watch the show anymore, but I'm still glad it's out there.

That's pretty much the only reason the show still exists... to hit some arbitrary milestone. 20 years, 25 years, 138 episodes, 500 episodes, etc.


Just out of curiosity...what was the significance of the 138th episode?
 
2012-02-20 11:53:50 AM

RedPhoenix122: Sorry, I only read such books in their native language, too much is lost in translation.


www.silywily.com
 
2012-02-20 11:53:51 AM

RedPhoenix122:
Sorry, I only read such books in their native language, too much is lost in translation.


That is what I thought, until my friends at the Résumer la concurrence Proust in the Bolton Civic Center suggested that I translate it myself.

When I returned to the United states I swore off the Idiot Box forever.
 
2012-02-20 11:54:39 AM

NaziKamikaze: I rarely saw a new episode from somewhere around '98 til the last couple of years. The new ones seem like an entirely different show. I still feel Seasons 3-6 were the prime (maybe 2.5 - 7/8) and no other seasons can compare to those.

I remember talking to a friend a Sunday night while I was at work around 2000 or so that had to rush home. I asked why and they replied: "The Simpsons, duh!" I said it wasn't worth racing home for anymore and they thought I was crazy, but no episode has taken me in like the earlier seasons.

Then there was a period that seemed like all the writers were on drugs and made each episode end with the family getting farked up in some way. It seemed to get better a couple years after that, but still not very entertaining.

Pull the plug.

Also, no grammar police going to comment on subby's use of the apostrophe?



I think they're going to be too busy with what you just posted lol.
 
2012-02-20 11:54:39 AM
At this point, Simpsons is the third longest running scripted television show in history, behind only Lassie (588 episodes) and Gunsmoke (635 episodes).

many soap operas laugh at your pitiful numbers.


Also, who the fark "logs on to the internet"?
 
2012-02-20 11:54:48 AM
I meant to watch it last night, but forgot about it completely.

A year ago when I moved into my new apartment and didn't have cable for 3 or 4 days I had nothing to watch so I decided to marathon my DVDs of seasons 3-6. Lot of good stuff in those episodes. Almost every episode can be considered a classic. I haven't watched it regularly since 2001 or 2002 so I can't attest for it's quality now, but there was a time when that show was firing on all it's cylinders and it was brilliant.
 
2012-02-20 11:55:31 AM

thelordofcheese: The Simpsons should have ended about 5 years ago.

The storylines are completely ridiculous. I bet very few remember when the plots (yes, they had actual plots) were related to real-world occurrences with which humans could empathize.


The trouble is, there are only a handful of real world plots. Almost every one of them was used by I Love Lucy, the pioneer of the three-camera sitcom. Zippy the Pinhead is currently running a series of the Eight Basic Plots (Cinderalla, the Spider and the Fly, etc.). Some folklorists expand on the basic plots and produce twenty or more fundamental plots. But the plots wouldn't last one season unless you repeat them with variations. And no real list of possible plots runs much more than twenty. Break down the plots into elements (as Vladimir Propp did) and you can generate them with dice.

If the Simpsons had stuck to family sitcom plots, they would have been over in one, and many of my favourite shows would never have been made: the Stonecutters episode, the X-Files episode, the James Bond parody, etc. True, The Flintstones did all of those (several times over) in the form of various "Spy" and "Alien" adventures, with or without that annoying little green twit, Groo or Goo or whatever his name was.

The Simpsons have actually done a far better than average job at plotting--they have two, maybe three stories per episode for 500 seasons, plus several hundred more in the comic books. The Treehouse of Horror annuals alone have three stories each. When you consider how many comics (Garfield, Cathy) have fallen into the repetition of five or ten basic gags (Garfield is fat, Garfield is lazy, Garfield hates dogs or spiders, Cathy is fat, Cathy hates swimsuits, Cathy eats too much, Cathy is frustrated by her cute dog, cut boyfriend, cute parents, etc) you can appreciate the perennial appeal of The Simpsons to people have attention spans longer than a goldfish, which is to say, almost anybody who isn't a Simpsons hater.
 
2012-02-20 11:55:54 AM

skinink: If you guys like quality programming so much then how come you all didn't tune in to "Community" to make it a rating's blockbuster?


Because I hold a grudge against Donald Glover for becoming so successful on so many fronts in such a short amount of time.
 
2012-02-20 11:57:24 AM
I'd trade the last 250 episodes for 25 mediocre Futurama episodes.
 
2012-02-20 11:57:52 AM

Wasilla Hillbilly: Just out of curiosity...what was the significance of the 138th episode?


Just a reference to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Simpsons_138th_Episode_Spectacular (new window)
 
2012-02-20 11:58:05 AM
I remember at some point mid-to-late in their 500 episodes that I felt that all the emotional capital they had built up with me in their early years with some genuinely funny shiat was being used to push an agenda. I'm not sure if it's political or otherwise, but I haven't been able to shake that negative feeling and haven't looked back.
 
2012-02-20 12:00:13 PM

Macfine: I'd trade the last 250 episodes for 25 mediocre Futurama episodes.


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2012-02-20 12:00:28 PM
Anyone know what this fresh air stuff is and how do you order it on Amazon?
 
2012-02-20 12:01:00 PM

skinink: If you guys like quality programming so much then how come you all didn't tune in to "Community" to make it a rating's blockbuster?


If only it actually worked that way.
 
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2012-02-20 12:02:21 PM
remember what Troy McLure said......

who knows how long the simpsons will be on until it becomes unprofitable
 
2012-02-20 12:02:27 PM
When it gets to the point that you feel you have to say that...

Sybarite: Ah yes, the exact same joke from "The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show" in season 8.


Man, that episode was painful. I remember the un-funiness being even a sort of shock. The fact that it was mirrored by how the tchy & Scratchy series was shown as limping along didn't make it ok. Merely being self-referential isn't automatically enough to be funny.

"Hi. We can't be bothered to make a decent episode, but since we know it, we can be all post-modern about even that, so everything is fine. We're just meta... to the extreeeeeeme!" *crickets*

And which episode was it that ended with Mrs. Jefferson saying "This is what's known in the business as a shmaltzy ending"? I wanted to smack the writers. Yes, we're intelligent enough to know when an ending is sappy. Let us have our sappy ending without ruining it with a cynical addendum that oozes contempt for anyone enjoying the moment. I mention this just as another example of a growing cynicism or weariness the show had about itself that wasn't particularly funny, just... off-putting.

One of the nice things about the '90s episodes is that for all the clever satire, there was usually still a generally positive feeling that suffused the show. I stopped regularly watching in the early 2000s, and after that only occasionally watched a new episode. Sometimes there were glimmers of the old show, but not with much consistency, as far as I could tell.
 
2012-02-20 12:03:59 PM
Some way, some how, I have to move into the alternate universe where the world has 20+ years of Futurama.
 
2012-02-20 12:04:32 PM

9beers: How do people know the Simpsons suck if they stopped watching years ago because it sucked?


The same way that people who stopped eating some dish or other when they were ten because they had one bad experience know that they don't like (insert name of food or dish here). Once you have formed a negative opinion there is no reason to ever examine it or change it.

I hate milk. I have hated milk since childhood. Yes, I can drink a glass of milk. I can even enjoy a glass of milk, particularly if it is flavoured. But I would never intentionally order a glass of milk and I don't have any in the house. I cook without milk, and use powdered milk when I absolutely need it. Milk will always taste the same, give or take a little, so I don't need to revise my opinions every decade. Milk still sucks and will suck forever, until, of course, I lose my taste altogether.

Most anti-Simpsons trolls never got it in the first place, or else think it is clever to knock something that is popular, old, or whatever. They will be just as dedicated to hating, say, reading or whatever. Illiterates hate books. Novelty trolls hate anything no longer novel. Latest thing hate anything that has ceased to be the latest thing. Black is, however, the new black, and always will be. It has never ceased to be the new thing, since the first little old Italian lady made a dress from black wool and decided that black is not just the best color, it is the only color.
 
2012-02-20 12:05:17 PM

jbtilley: Wasilla Hillbilly: Just out of curiosity...what was the significance of the 138th episode?

Just a reference to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Simpsons_138th_Episode_Spectacular (new window)


Ah thanks
 
2012-02-20 12:05:51 PM

SlothB77:
i have come to the conclusion the show will only end when the voiceover talent for enough main characters is unable to continue their duties through disability or death. marge sounds like she is about 95 now.


I don't know much about the Simpson's, but the woman who does marge's voice was on a sitcom in the 70's when she was a young woman (Rhoda), so she's not 95. And yes, her voice is almost like that naturally.
 
2012-02-20 12:06:22 PM
Keep this complaining crap up and you'll get even more "Napoleon Dynamite".
 
2012-02-20 12:07:00 PM
The demise of the simpsons is very simple...

The random zaniness was replaced by low brow humor and 'situation episodes' ie 24, or Mad Men.

These are much less funny than what we used to have.

After 2000 Groundskeeper willey would never have been teaching French and most certainly not have said "Bonjour you cheese eating surrender monkey's"

The loss of the ensemble cast and the reliance on Homer as protagonist not just foil doomed the Simpsons to consistant mediocrity and 12 years of me occasionally watching a show and wondering what could have been...
 
2012-02-20 12:07:55 PM
I liked the 500th episode and, after reading this past weeks threads about the Simpsons, couldn't help but think that the writers must be Farkers for putting in that line. I sort of felt like they wrote it just for us.



/Subby
/Was positive I put the correct punctuation in the headline before hitting "submit"
 
2012-02-20 12:07:57 PM

jbtilley: That's pretty much the only reason the show still exists... to hit some arbitrary milestone. 20 years, 25 years, 138 episodes, 500 episodes, etc.


This is pretty much my theory.

Maybe it's just my perspective (I was at least old enough to remember watching The Simpsons as shorts on Tracey Ullman), but the fact that the Simpsons has been produced for 20 years without a break makes it a...gee, I don't know...lifeless enterprise to me.

It's there, because it's there.

I wouldn't have cared if they maybe took a break for a few years to re-tool it. Hell, I don't even care too much that it's still going. I guess I just feel it necessary to comment that the show, at least to me, has little purpose other than saying "Hey, we've been around this long. Nuclear holocaust happens, and guess what? It'll be all cockroaches and The Simpsons."
 
2012-02-20 12:08:55 PM

RedPhoenix122: Error 404: File Not Found.



I mean mediocre in relation to other Futurama episodes.
 
2012-02-20 12:12:42 PM

Isildur:
And which episode was it that ended with Mrs. Jefferson saying "This is what's known in the business as a shmaltzy ending"? I wanted to smack the writers. Yes, we're intelligent enough to know when an ending is sappy. Let us have our sappy ending without ruining it with a cynical addendum that oozes contempt for anyone enjoying the moment. I mention this just as another example of a growing cynicism or weariness the show had about itself that wasn't particularly funny, just... off-putting.


I think most people working on the show these days just hate it, or at least wish they could make the same money doing something else. Talk about stuck in a rut.
 
2012-02-20 12:12:58 PM
I don't get it: If you don't like a show, why are you still watching it?
 
2012-02-20 12:14:08 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Crewmannumber6: Can we talk about something a little more significant? Like the fact that Raylan didn't wear his Stetson ONCE in last weeks episode of Justified!

Or the fact that "The Walking Dead" has now become so lethally boring that a character in the show just spontaneously fell into a catatonic state in an effort to leave the narrative.


I know WTF. They have some pretty big things happen with the killing of everyone in the barn and Rick killing those guys in the bar but the rest of the time I just want to seriously hurt the rest of the cast because they do nothing but wine and listen have to put up with that redneck thug Shane.
 
2012-02-20 12:14:17 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: skinink: If you guys like quality programming so much then how come you all didn't tune in to "Community" to make it a rating's blockbuster?

If only it actually worked that way.


I hate quality programming. It's nearly as dull as serious literature. I only read great literature and trash as a rule, and when curiosity obliges me to dip into serious literature, I may enjoy it, but I don't risk missing it. The stuff in between I leave to the middle classes, the middle brows, the middle aged and Middle Americans. I call them 3Ms because Middle Americans may not really exist. I've met a few, but are they really a universal category like middle-aged?

Shows I have never watched include:

Firefly
House
CSI anywhere, anytime
Twin Peaks (anomalous that, because you'd think it would be up my alley)
Community
Arrested Development.


All I can say is, Meh. I might actually like some of them if I watched them, but now that some of these shows are in nine seasons, it's an effort to start. Because if I do like them, I have to pay at least $200 for them each. I can buy about ten classic TV series or one-off bombs for the same price, and get a little variety and as much quality as quality ever promises.

Avoid reading any author who wrote 300 books (even Epicurus, although mercifully, most of his books are lost to us, and P.G. Wodehouse, although his books are mercifully thin and in paperback editions for the last eighty years or so).
 
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