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2012-02-19 11:53:01 PM
5 votes:
So if this actually works, we'd get meat that didn't result from the mistreatment of animals. Which would make PETa pointless. Still looking for a downside here.
2012-02-20 01:23:19 AM
3 votes:
I'm still kinda grossed out by the idea of vat-farmed meat, but the possibilities it offers up in terms of tackling pollution, resource allocation, and world hunger are too great to be stymied by ickiness.
2012-02-20 02:38:21 AM
2 votes:
"More to the point, it's incredibly ready to topple ... it's inefficient technology that hasn't changed fundamentally for millennia," he said.

I beg to differ. Back in high school we had the FFA group (Future Farmers of America) and those kids worked hard to learn better techniques for animal husbandry and to incorporate the even then changing technology.

Since then, I've seen major changes in the feed for food animals, along with major changes in their health care. I've also seen hybridization produce cows which mature faster and produce a leaner, more nutritious meat.

'Dirty Jobs' had an episode where Mike Rowe worked in a feed plant, making custom feeds and it was quite interesting.

I've also seen changes where more of what used to be scrap is now processed into various foods and even bulk additives for feed, along with oils for industrial use. Even the bones can be used for fertilizers or turned into carbon black.

"Dirty Jobs' had an episode where Mike worked in a rendering plant, where they hauled in truckloads of dead animals and cooked them down to produce pet food additives, calcium meal, bulk oils and fats for perfume and soap companies.

Some places process the blood from slaughter houses into blood meal for fertilizers -- great stuff -- and others process it for use in foods -- like blood sausage and pudding.

Pretty much these days, a cow is used from the nose to the hooves. Just the spinal tissue, often the brain and the pituarity (SP) gland are not used.

As early as 30 years ago, there was a whole lot more waste.

As for diminishing pasture lands -- well folks insist on plowing them under and putting up condos and cities. Realtors discovered they can buy farm land cheap, get a huge agricultural tax break, then sell it to other developers who have to pay greater taxes on it.

It's a win-win situation for them. Not so much for us.

Maybe we need to start reigning in sprawling development.

BTW. I can already think of over a dozen ways this 'artificial meat' can be abused.
2012-02-20 02:22:09 AM
2 votes:
I want my meat to come from living, breathing GOD-like virile animals.

The Japanese got it right with how they treat Kobe cattle. They coddle them in every way and fatten them up prior to slaughter. I heard they even handjob the fine beasts.
2012-02-20 01:47:42 AM
2 votes:

Generation_D: So if this actually works, we'd get meat that didn't result from the mistreatment of animals. Which would make PETa pointless. Still looking for a downside here.


Without an innate immune system, "cost-effective" manufacturing conditions would likely require a large amount of antibiotics used in the growth of the meat.
2012-02-20 01:18:29 AM
2 votes:
Yup, this is a-ok.
2012-02-20 01:00:59 AM
2 votes:
This is something I've always wondered about. Would vegans be okay with eating meat they grew in a breadmaker-sized countertop appliance?

Just insert a vegan-friendly tissue scaffold, pour in a vial of cells and a packet of plant-derived nutrients, and add two cups of water, and you have a nice marbled sirloin overnight.

It's the future, I tell you!
2012-02-20 07:44:30 AM
1 votes:

Crunch61: fta:"Animal farming is by far the biggest ongoing global catastrophe," Patrick Brown of the Stanford University School of Medicine told reporters."

No, you idiot, 7 billion people and counting is by far the biggest ongoing global catastrophe... and no end in sight.


I can't understand you people, you're not stupid, not really, but you're so far out of touch with reality that you can't be reasoned with. I can't even argue with you because what you say is out there like Pluto, man. What, kill 7,000,000,000 people including yourself (I notice you haven't gone first) so the trees are happy? You have no business calling anybody an idiot.
2012-02-20 07:22:52 AM
1 votes:
Does this mean that we will be getting our beef and dairy products from a Halfstein cow?
2012-02-20 03:38:47 AM
1 votes:

ScreamingHangover: Krieghund: jingks: Generation_D: So if this actually works, we'd get meat that didn't result from the mistreatment of animals. Which would make PETa pointless. Still looking for a downside here.

Without an innate immune system, "cost-effective" manufacturing conditions would likely require a large amount of antibiotics used in the growth of the meat.

As opposed to what we have now?

Antibiotic use would probably be less: all you would require is to make sure the initial seed tissue sample is pure. Pasteurization should be sufficient for the growth solution and environment.


Hmmm.... I suppose that is correct. I'm wrong once again.
2012-02-20 03:35:35 AM
1 votes:

Krieghund: jingks: Generation_D: So if this actually works, we'd get meat that didn't result from the mistreatment of animals. Which would make PETa pointless. Still looking for a downside here.

Without an innate immune system, "cost-effective" manufacturing conditions would likely require a large amount of antibiotics used in the growth of the meat.

As opposed to what we have now?


Antibiotic use would probably be less: all you would require is to make sure the initial seed tissue sample is pure. Pasteurization should be sufficient for the growth solution and environment.
2012-02-20 03:33:29 AM
1 votes:

CliChe Guevara: not the same thing at all. vaccines DON'T cause autism, and the science shows that. the same science shows that the modern superwheats DO cause all sorts of issues in some people. immune system, insulin, cartilage inflammation, possible links to cancers, the list goes on. hell, even just look at the recent growth of gluten intolerance and celiac symptoms - going from rare to frighteningly common. SOMETHING is going on and i don't think any study has ever shown otherwise.


Which "superwheats" are you talking about? Is there even a significant percentage of GM wheat in current production? I can't seem to find a citation suggesting it is, and as of 2008 there was none.
2012-02-20 03:31:05 AM
1 votes:

LowbrowDeluxe: ladyfortuna: In principle I want to agree that it would be better. However, if all this stuff I've been hearing about GM wheat being even worse for us is true (not saying it is, but I worry)

It isn't. There, glad I could clear that up for you.


Well, it kind of depends on your definition of "worse for us", and who you consider "us". In terms of harming our bodies when we eat it? Nah. If you want to grow new crops from your old crops....or if your farm is next to Monsanto's land...then you might not like it so much.
2012-02-20 03:28:19 AM
1 votes:

LowbrowDeluxe: ladyfortuna: In principle I want to agree that it would be better. However, if all this stuff I've been hearing about GM wheat being even worse for us is true (not saying it is, but I worry)

It isn't. There, glad I could clear that up for you. Also, vaccines don't cause autism. There ya go, a two-fer.


not the same thing at all. vaccines DON'T cause autism, and the science shows that. the same science shows that the modern superwheats DO cause all sorts of issues in some people. immune system, insulin, cartilage inflammation, possible links to cancers, the list goes on. hell, even just look at the recent growth of gluten intolerance and celiac symptoms - going from rare to frighteningly common. SOMETHING is going on and i don't think any study has ever shown otherwise.

it may only affect a small segment of the population, and the effects may be limited, but i don't think anyone other than monsanto would try to tell you there are no ill effects being seen. i don't think anyone could even theoretically argue than engineering a plant to have double the normal number of chromosomes and having it produce entirely new proteins shouldn't potentially cause some new allergies/reactions to appear.
2012-02-20 03:17:10 AM
1 votes:
Could you use this stuff in a 3D printer?

*Imagines prime rib at a moment's notice*
2012-02-20 03:15:34 AM
1 votes:

ladyfortuna: In principle I want to agree that it would be better. However, if all this stuff I've been hearing about GM wheat being even worse for us is true (not saying it is, but I worry)


It isn't. There, glad I could clear that up for you. Also, vaccines don't cause autism. There ya go, a two-fer.
2012-02-20 03:13:09 AM
1 votes:

jingks: Generation_D: So if this actually works, we'd get meat that didn't result from the mistreatment of animals. Which would make PETa pointless. Still looking for a downside here.

Without an innate immune system, "cost-effective" manufacturing conditions would likely require a large amount of antibiotics used in the growth of the meat.


As opposed to what we have now?
2012-02-20 03:07:52 AM
1 votes:

LordJiro: Less demand for beef means less clearcutting of rainforests for farmland, and cattle are also a HUGE producer of methane.

Of course, even if they emulated the flavor and texture *perfectly*, 'foodies' and the people who are suckered in by 'organic' food will insist that REAL cow is better in whatever way.


In principle I want to agree that it would be better. However, if all this stuff I've been hearing about GM wheat being even worse for us is true (not saying it is, but I worry), I would be even more hesitant to eat this meat. I take comfort in getting my beef from Lordfortuna's parents' Highland cattle. I know what they eat, which is 95% grass/hay; corn is a treat to get them to stop escaping the pasture. They're not treated with any antibiotics or anything else; they live 100% of the time outside. Granted FIL could take slightly better care of them but they're about as close to wild as you'll get without letting them wander the hills. Also, they're DELICIOUS. We really don't even eat a ton of beef, maybe twice a week, unless LF makes jerky from the hamburger. So our portion of the beast lasts most of the year.

I'd like to extend that to chickens and pork but first we need to move out of town so we can raise our own, since the village doesn't allow livestock...
2012-02-20 03:03:53 AM
1 votes:

Generation_D: So if this actually works, we'd get meat that didn't result from the mistreatment of animals. Which would make PETa pointless.


That is the main reason PETA is farking -LIVID- about this idea. You would think they would like it, but they really, really, really got pissed when word of this research started to develop a couple years back.

Shows how much they actually care about animals. We always knew it was near-zero, but its interesting to see them admit it so freely now.
2012-02-20 02:17:58 AM
1 votes:

LordJiro: Less demand for beef means less clearcutting of rainforests for farmland


Grassing land and farm land are not the same thing. Except in the US where we feed corn to our cows.

And what do you think they'll use as nutrients to grow this stuff from? Cows at least can live off of grassland but this stuff won't have a complex digestive system that can break down something like grass. So it'll probably be corn, a lot of corn and various chemicals. Very expensive patented chemicals. Plus fossil fuels to power all the complex machinery that's needed.
2012-02-20 02:12:08 AM
1 votes:

Hickory-smoked: You know, for all the hate-on you have for PETA, vat-meat is something they actively promote.


Yes, but that's far outweighed by having to explain to people that I don't think fish should be renamed "sea-kittens." Or that orcas shouldn't be declared slaves and freed under the 13th amendment, or all of the other ridiculous stunts they do. They do more to set back the cause than any other group.
2012-02-20 02:09:16 AM
1 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I haven't eaten meat in about two decades, but I'd be okay with eating a test-tube hamburger. It's the best chance to undermine an industry that treats animals unnecessarily cruel *and* get the farkers at PETA to shut the hell up. I'm all for it.

/stupid bastards at PETA make us all sound like wackos


You know, for all the hate-on you have for PETA, vat-meat is something they actively promote. (new window)
2012-02-20 02:02:04 AM
1 votes:
Hasn't McDonalds served "meat" developed in a laboratory for decades?
2012-02-20 01:56:39 AM
1 votes:

browntimmy: Couldn't be any worse than that magic never-spoils meat-like product they're currently serving at McDonalds.


That would be meat. The reason it doesn't spoil is because the hamburger is thin enough to dry out before anything can grow on it. You'll get the exact same result with any hamburger of the same size.
2012-02-20 01:55:12 AM
1 votes:
Dafatone: Not all vegans are vegans because they think eating animals is cruel. Some are for health reasons, or because they just don't like meat/animal products, or for no apparent reason at all. It's not all about ethics and logic.

They're irrelevant to this discussion, since it's the ones that think eating animals is cruel that get up in people's faces about eating animals.
2012-02-20 01:51:38 AM
1 votes:

Thain: Lukeonia1: This is something I've always wondered about. Would vegans be okay with eating meat they grew in a breadmaker-sized countertop appliance?

Just insert a vegan-friendly tissue scaffold, pour in a vial of cells and a packet of plant-derived nutrients, and add two cups of water, and you have a nice marbled sirloin overnight.

It's the future, I tell you!

Stop with the Vegans. I have always proposed every Vegan should be placed in an environment where they're only food is what they can produce. Problem solved by reality.


I'm okay with this. Question is, what predators do we feed the vegans to? Great cats? Kimodo dragons? Crocodiles? Hungry wolves? Germans?
2012-02-20 01:36:25 AM
1 votes:
How does it taste? If it tastes like actual meat I am quite in favor of it.
2012-02-20 01:35:36 AM
1 votes:

Lukeonia1: This is something I've always wondered about. Would vegans be okay with eating meat they grew in a breadmaker-sized countertop appliance?

Just insert a vegan-friendly tissue scaffold, pour in a vial of cells and a packet of plant-derived nutrients, and add two cups of water, and you have a nice marbled sirloin overnight.

It's the future, I tell you!


Stop with the Vegans. I have always proposed every Vegan should be placed in an environment where they're only food is what they can produce. Problem solved by reality.
2012-02-20 01:34:46 AM
1 votes:

Lukeonia1: This is something I've always wondered about. Would vegans be okay with eating meat they grew in a breadmaker-sized countertop appliance?


I haven't eaten meat in about two decades, but I'd be okay with eating a test-tube hamburger. It's the best chance to undermine an industry that treats animals unnecessarily cruel *and* get the farkers at PETA to shut the hell up. I'm all for it.

/stupid bastards at PETA make us all sound like wackos
2012-02-20 01:34:43 AM
1 votes:
FTFA: "Animal farming is by far the biggest ongoing global catastrophe," Patrick Brown of the Stanford University School of Medicine told reporters.

If only there was some sort of effect that would be triggered by diminishing supply relative to demand for meat, some kind of reaction, if you will, that would induce consumers to purchase less meat, and thus avert this catastrophe.

/WTF are they asking a medical doctor about global environmentalism for? Shut up and stick to extracting ingrown toenails you hack
2012-02-20 01:30:37 AM
1 votes:
Wait a moment. I saw this on Eureka and everyone got stupid from the lab grown meat. I don't think we can afford to be more stupid.

/it burns.
2012-02-20 01:30:22 AM
1 votes:
Said another way, I'll eat soy-based patty-shaped discs before I eat a bio-chemist's idea of 'meat product'. Secondly, Brundlefly.
2012-02-20 01:27:10 AM
1 votes:

Generation_D: So if this actually works, we'd get meat that didn't result from the mistreatment of animals. Which would make PETa pointless. Still looking for a downside here.


Not necessarily. I agree with SOME of their philosophy (namely, that animals should have certain "rights", which has lead to the invention of animal cruelty laws, something I support). But think of it like this... even if we were able to produce "meat" that could pass for a chicken breast or a steak, or pork ribs, or anything like that... we'd still need cattle for milk, chickens for eggs, laboratory animals, etc.

We're never going to stop eating animals in one form or another... and I'm okay with that.
2012-02-20 01:25:36 AM
1 votes:
Tastes like... despair?
2012-02-20 01:24:49 AM
1 votes:

farkingismybusiness: SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!


DAMN YOU! You got there before I did fubar.com
2012-02-20 01:23:05 AM
1 votes:
If this becomes widespread, that's very good news. Less demand for beef means less clearcutting of rainforests for farmland, and cattle are also a HUGE producer of methane.

Of course, even if they emulated the flavor and texture *perfectly*, 'foodies' and the people who are suckered in by 'organic' food will insist that REAL cow is better in whatever way.
2012-02-20 01:21:29 AM
1 votes:

Lukeonia1: This is something I've always wondered about. Would vegans be okay with eating meat they grew in a breadmaker-sized countertop appliance?

Just insert a vegan-friendly tissue scaffold, pour in a vial of cells and a packet of plant-derived nutrients, and add two cups of water, and you have a nice marbled sirloin overnight.

It's the future, I tell you!


Soylent Black and White? since it's the embryo of the cow...
2012-02-20 01:21:28 AM
1 votes:
As long as it tastes good, I'm all for it.
2012-02-20 01:20:01 AM
1 votes:
SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!
2012-02-20 01:19:54 AM
1 votes:

Lukeonia1: This is something I've always wondered about. Would vegans be okay with eating meat they grew in a breadmaker-sized countertop appliance?

Just insert a vegan-friendly tissue scaffold, pour in a vial of cells and a packet of plant-derived nutrients, and add two cups of water, and you have a nice marbled sirloin overnight.

It's the future, I tell you!


Not all vegans are vegans because they think eating animals is cruel. Some are for health reasons, or because they just don't like meat/animal products, or for no apparent reason at all. It's not all about ethics and logic.

/eats a lot of meat.
2012-02-20 01:04:54 AM
1 votes:

WorldCitizen: I'm OK with this.


Second.
2012-02-19 11:18:20 PM
1 votes:
I'm OK with this.
 
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