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(Hot Air)   UK: Hey everyone, we are starting to privatize our Health Care system to make it more like the USA, this government thing doesn't seem to work very well   (hotair.com ) divider line
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2012-02-19 05:59:35 PM  
www.mikescampfire.com
 
2012-02-19 06:00:37 PM  
This is bad news...for Obama.
 
2012-02-19 06:02:53 PM  
*sigh*

Yes, we know, the only way to have decent health care is to increase the costs to users by 30% and stick useless middlemen between patients and doctors. give that money to campaign donors.
 
2012-02-19 06:04:04 PM  
People actually read HotAir? Good grief.
 
2012-02-19 06:06:24 PM  
So idiot British conservatives are overreaching as much as their idiot American counterparts. And they will fail as completely too.
 
2012-02-19 06:14:39 PM  
While the US federal government expands its diktat power...

Just can't avoid sounding like a total dipshiat, can you? At least you have the decency to derp hard and derp soon so I don't waste valuable seconds on the herp.
 
2012-02-19 06:31:12 PM  
This thread is gonna be fun to watch.

/Puts some popcorn in the nuker
 
2012-02-19 06:34:58 PM  
I'm sure that this will have no fallout with their public whatsoever.

Truly, it will be the best of all possible worlds...
 
2012-02-19 06:36:50 PM  
Well if there's anyone who knows how to screw up an imperial bureaucracy, its the British.
 
2012-02-19 06:39:13 PM  

hubiestubert: Truly, it will be the best of all possible worlds...


i.imgur.com
 
2012-02-19 07:40:18 PM  
you know.

if you want a system that actually works, perhaps you should look at Germany's. Not ours.
 
2012-02-19 07:59:25 PM  
Why does this sound like complete and utter bullshiat?
 
2012-02-19 08:09:08 PM  
Strange how they didn't provide any link to these UK Newspaper articles...

The reforms Cameron is pushing do not change the "Single payer/free healthcare for all" part of the NHS. They mean patients can which hospital to use, doctors can chose providers etc.

Factsheets.

It is still free (paid by taxpayers) healthcare for all. A UK politician suggesting changing that would be like a US presidential candidate saying all guns should be banned or that he didn't believe in god.
 
2012-02-19 08:16:15 PM  
And funny how they do not mention that the NHS costs less than half, per capita, than the US spends on healthcare.

So much for "bloated government inefficiency..."
 
2012-02-19 08:22:41 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Strange how they didn't provide any link to these UK Newspaper articles...

The reforms Cameron is pushing do not change the "Single payer/free healthcare for all" part of the NHS. They mean patients can which hospital to use, doctors can chose providers etc.

Factsheets.

It is still free (paid by taxpayers) healthcare for all. A UK politician suggesting changing that would be like a US presidential candidate saying all guns should be banned or that he didn't believe in god.


I would think so. Your link blow's Smitty's out of the water. Thanks.

That makes his statements make a LOT more sense.
 
2012-02-19 08:23:13 PM  

PsiChick: Why does this sound like complete and utter bullshiat?


Because it's Hot Air?
 
2012-02-19 08:24:57 PM  
I think I'll read about that through a less blatantly biased source.
 
2012-02-19 08:28:00 PM  

Flint Ironstag: And funny how they do not mention that the NHS costs less than half, per capita, than the US spends on healthcare.

So much for "bloated government inefficiency..."


Just like how our Republicans will never mention Medicare has the lowest overhead by far compared to all medical insurance providers.
 
2012-02-19 08:28:04 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Factsheets.


Thanks.
 
2012-02-19 08:33:30 PM  
Test for whether to not bother reading the full article:

1) Blather? Check
2) Derp? Check
3) Nonsense? Check

Nice try, retardmitter.
 
2012-02-19 08:33:53 PM  

hubiestubert: Flint Ironstag: Strange how they didn't provide any link to these UK Newspaper articles...

The reforms Cameron is pushing do not change the "Single payer/free healthcare for all" part of the NHS. They mean patients can which hospital to use, doctors can chose providers etc.

Factsheets.

It is still free (paid by taxpayers) healthcare for all. A UK politician suggesting changing that would be like a US presidential candidate saying all guns should be banned or that he didn't believe in god.

I would think so. Your link blow's Smitty's out of the water. Thanks.

That makes his statements make a LOT more sense.



Just read all the comments from TFA. Jeeze there is a lot of derp there...


Many saying how "expensive" the "socialized" NHS is, despite it costing, as I mentioned, less than half per person than US health spending. And that's on top of the sheer convenience of just being able to walk into any hospital or clinic and get treated with no one even thinking to ask how you are going to pay. Or having to worry if you are out of work. Or wonder if your policy covers X. Or if it will pay for all your drugs.


/CSB time. I badly tore a ligament in my ankle in December. Thought the swelling would go down after a day or so, but it didn't so I went to my local A+E. This was Saturday afternoon. Brand new hospital, spotless. Checked in and say down. Waited about twenty minutes to be looked at, sent for X Ray, waited about twenty minutes after that for the consultant to call me and we looked at the X Rays on her PC (all digital system, very high tech) and she said nothing was broken, I really just had to rest it.

Cost? The 70p I paid for a coffee while waiting.


The NHS isn't perfect, hence reforms, but it certainly seems to be far preferable than the many, many, horror stores from the US.
 
2012-02-19 08:37:53 PM  
I love the US, and love visiting and have had great times and met lots of great people, including cops, but when I remember that the UK has the NHS and the US has HOAs I am glad I live in the UK. You folks are really getting screwed in that deal...
 
2012-02-19 08:44:34 PM  

Flint Ironstag: I love the US, and love visiting and have had great times and met lots of great people, including cops, but when I remember that the UK has the NHS and the US has HOAs I am glad I live in the UK. You folks are really getting screwed in that deal...


I refuse to live in an HOA. They are ridiculous. I think I just read that they're starting to regulate them finally.
 
2012-02-19 08:52:31 PM  
The US and the UK are really duking it out on that race to the bottom.
 
2012-02-19 08:53:57 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Strange how they didn't provide any link to these UK Newspaper articles...

The reforms Cameron is pushing do not change the "Single payer/free healthcare for all" part of the NHS. They mean patients can which hospital to use, doctors can chose providers etc.

Factsheets.

It is still free (paid by taxpayers) healthcare for all. A UK politician suggesting changing that would be like a US presidential candidate saying all guns should be banned or that he didn't believe in god.


This needs to be repeated over and over in this thread.

The UK is doing nothing to weaken or remove the NHS.
 
2012-02-19 08:55:41 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Strange how they didn't provide any link to these UK Newspaper articles...

The reforms Cameron is pushing do not change the "Single payer/free healthcare for all" part of the NHS. They mean patients can which hospital to use, doctors can chose providers etc.

Factsheets.

It is still free (paid by taxpayers) healthcare for all. A UK politician suggesting changing that would be like a US presidential candidate saying all guns should be banned or that he didn't believe in god.


THIS. Hell Margaret Thatcher didn't even try to kill the NHS. Hamstring it maybe, but that was as far as she'd dare.
 
2012-02-19 08:56:37 PM  
Why would you willingly name a website offering opinion after an idiom for insincere, impractical ideas and expect people to do anything but avoid it?

Is the whole thing a cruel joke on conservatives?
 
2012-02-19 08:57:10 PM  

culebra: Why would you willingly name a website offering opinion after an idiom for insincere, impractical ideas and expect people to do anything but avoid it?

Is the whole thing a cruel joke on conservatives?


It was started by Michelle Malkin, so... yes, but not intentionally.
 
2012-02-19 08:59:16 PM  
In a shocking turn of events, having some combination of public/private insurance is what a large percentage of Americans are advocating. In fact, many systems have a public base of care and you are free to supplement that with private care.

What a crazy idiotic idea. Why...they expect 20% overhead? F*ck that.
 
2012-02-19 09:06:59 PM  

Flint Ironstag: I love the US, and love visiting and have had great times and met lots of great people, including cops, but when I remember that the UK has the NHS and the US has HOAs I am glad I live in the UK. You folks are really getting screwed in that deal...


you point and laugh at us, but the rest of the civilized world points and laughs at the NHS.
 
2012-02-19 09:09:46 PM  
If the NHS were as awful as conservatives in the States claim it is, there'd be rioting in the streets of the UK.

If you look into it, though, it turns out that pretty much everyone in the UK seems to like it well enough.

Yeah, there are people that grumble that it doesn't offer this or that obscure therapy, but, from what I've seen, the therapies that aren't covered are usually quack ones -- or close to it.

Sorry if I just called your preferred therapy quackery.
 
2012-02-19 09:11:02 PM  

relcec: Flint Ironstag: I love the US, and love visiting and have had great times and met lots of great people, including cops, but when I remember that the UK has the NHS and the US has HOAs I am glad I live in the UK. You folks are really getting screwed in that deal...

you point and laugh at us, but the rest of the civilized world points and laughs at the NHS.


Really? I live here and have used it, as have many of my family and friends, with no problems. What's wrong with it?
 
2012-02-19 09:11:49 PM  

relcec: you point and laugh at us, but the rest of the civilized world points and laughs at the NHS.


Ha ha ha they actually care about the health of their citizens! It's a goddamn laugh riot!
 
2012-02-19 09:13:06 PM  

Flint Ironstag: And funny how they do not mention that the NHS costs less than half, per capita, than the US spends on healthcare.

So much for "bloated government inefficiency..."


our governemnt limits the numbers of doctors that can be trained through residency programs in any given year in order to keep the doctor supply artificially low and jack up their salaries.
their government designed their system to keep costs low. our governemnt designed our system to rip us off at every stage of the game. so yeah, it's the governments fault. the governemnt makes healthcare expensive at every single point it can. I have to go the doc every three months to get prescription for f*cking lunesta and pay $120. I'll probably have to do this for the rest of my god damn life. for some f*cking sleeping pills.
 
2012-02-19 09:13:10 PM  
Shut up relcec, you cock.
 
2012-02-19 09:13:32 PM  

relcec: rest of the civilized world points and laughs at the NHS.


In other news, 'the civilized world' has officially contracted to only refer to Republicans.
 
2012-02-19 09:13:40 PM  

relcec: Flint Ironstag: I love the US, and love visiting and have had great times and met lots of great people, including cops, but when I remember that the UK has the NHS and the US has HOAs I am glad I live in the UK. You folks are really getting screwed in that deal...

you point and laugh at us, but the rest of the civilized world points and laughs at the NHS.


And BTW, there is private healthcare available in the UK, for those who want private rooms, faster treatment etc. At a far lower cost that private healthcare in the US (I assume because they don't have to cover emergency treatment) yet not many people chose to pay for it. Seems they are mostly happy with the NHS...
 
2012-02-19 09:14:04 PM  

MrEricSir: relcec: you point and laugh at us, but the rest of the civilized world points and laughs at the NHS.

Ha ha ha they actually care about the health of their citizens! It's a goddamn laugh riot!


Oh my God that man just had a tumor removed from his brain at no cost AND they paid for his cab ride home!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
 
2012-02-19 09:14:51 PM  

Flint Ironstag: relcec: Flint Ironstag: I love the US, and love visiting and have had great times and met lots of great people, including cops, but when I remember that the UK has the NHS and the US has HOAs I am glad I live in the UK. You folks are really getting screwed in that deal...

you point and laugh at us, but the rest of the civilized world points and laughs at the NHS.

Really? I live here and have used it, as have many of my family and friends, with no problems. What's wrong with it?


nothing. you have to understand that certain Americans live in an altered reality. and that the real world and it's facts have no weight inside the bubble.
 
2012-02-19 09:15:41 PM  

relcec: Flint Ironstag: I love the US, and love visiting and have had great times and met lots of great people, including cops, but when I remember that the UK has the NHS and the US has HOAs I am glad I live in the UK. You folks are really getting screwed in that deal...

you point and laugh at us, but the rest of the civilized world points and laughs at the NHS.


relcec: Flint Ironstag: And funny how they do not mention that the NHS costs less than half, per capita, than the US spends on healthcare.

So much for "bloated government inefficiency..."

our governemnt limits the numbers of doctors that can be trained through residency programs in any given year in order to keep the doctor supply artificially low and jack up their salaries.
their government designed their system to keep costs low. our governemnt designed our system to rip us off at every stage of the game. so yeah, it's the governments fault. the governemnt makes healthcare expensive at every single point it can. I have to go the doc every three months to get prescription for f*cking lunesta and pay $120. I'll probably have to do this for the rest of my god damn life. for some f*cking sleeping pills.


Make up your damn mind jackhole.
 
2012-02-19 09:17:56 PM  
The current UK NHS proposals are close to making this government fall.

Nothing else has dented them (including massive spending cuts, rising unemployment, actual riots, introducing a massive rise in student feels, threatening to sell off the forests, etc) yet threatening the NHS is making even The Daily Mail start to slag them off.

Doesn't that suggest that this article is, in fact, bollocks?
 
2012-02-19 09:18:29 PM  

Flint Ironstag: relcec: Flint Ironstag: I love the US, and love visiting and have had great times and met lots of great people, including cops, but when I remember that the UK has the NHS and the US has HOAs I am glad I live in the UK. You folks are really getting screwed in that deal...

you point and laugh at us, but the rest of the civilized world points and laughs at the NHS.

Really? I live here and have used it, as have many of my family and friends, with no problems. What's wrong with it?


it just sucks compared to other places like france, spain, greece, luxembourg, italy, austria, some nordic countries, all of europe I guess. singapore and japan. really antiquated mostly.
you're governemnt runs all the providers for one. it's the socialist model. the real socialist model. complete vertical control.
that's probably why it's shiat.
 
2012-02-19 09:18:48 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Because it's Hot Air


Because it's full of Hot Air

FTFY
 
2012-02-19 09:19:22 PM  

bulldg4life: In a shocking turn of events, having some combination of public/private insurance is what a large percentage of Americans are advocating. In fact, many systems have a public base of care and you are free to supplement that with private care.

What a crazy idiotic idea. Why...they expect 20% overhead? F*ck that.


But don't you know, any idea can only be viewed in terms of completely black or white. There are no gray areas, because that would require thinking and having an attention span longer than a newt's.
 
2012-02-19 09:23:19 PM  
Seems to be about the equivalent of school vouchers here. Not sure I'm for it per se, but it doesn't mean that Britain would do anything to make their system suck as bad as that in the United States.
 
2012-02-19 09:24:13 PM  

Flint Ironstag: It is still free (paid by taxpayers) healthcare for all. A UK politician suggesting changing that would be like a US presidential candidate saying all guns should be banned or that he didn't believe in god.


This sentence makes me sad on many different levels.
 
2012-02-19 09:24:30 PM  

Flappyhead: relcec: Flint Ironstag: I love the US, and love visiting and have had great times and met lots of great people, including cops, but when I remember that the UK has the NHS and the US has HOAs I am glad I live in the UK. You folks are really getting screwed in that deal...

you point and laugh at us, but the rest of the civilized world points and laughs at the NHS.

relcec: Flint Ironstag: And funny how they do not mention that the NHS costs less than half, per capita, than the US spends on healthcare.

So much for "bloated government inefficiency..."

our governemnt limits the numbers of doctors that can be trained through residency programs in any given year in order to keep the doctor supply artificially low and jack up their salaries.
their government designed their system to keep costs low. our governemnt designed our system to rip us off at every stage of the game. so yeah, it's the governments fault. the governemnt makes healthcare expensive at every single point it can. I have to go the doc every three months to get prescription for f*cking lunesta and pay $120. I'll probably have to do this for the rest of my god damn life. for some f*cking sleeping pills.

Make up your damn mind jackhole.


care to explain your problem?

/and I don't why the British system isn't rated as highly as it's neighbors, I just know it isn't. I'll withdraw my diagnosis. that was my politics seeping in obviously.
 
2012-02-19 09:24:56 PM  

Somacandra: hubiestubert: Truly, it will be the best of all possible worlds...

[i.imgur.com image 316x400]


I went to the Leibniz Museum in Hannover. We were the only ones there and I had to have someone let me in.

/CSB
 
2012-02-19 09:27:41 PM  

relcec: I refute your facts and knowledge with DERP POWER!!!!LOL!!!


You're just phoning it in, man.
 
2012-02-19 09:29:40 PM  

relcec: Flint Ironstag: relcec: Flint Ironstag: I love the US, and love visiting and have had great times and met lots of great people, including cops, but when I remember that the UK has the NHS and the US has HOAs I am glad I live in the UK. You folks are really getting screwed in that deal...

you point and laugh at us, but the rest of the civilized world points and laughs at the NHS.

Really? I live here and have used it, as have many of my family and friends, with no problems. What's wrong with it?

it just sucks compared to other places like france, spain, greece, luxembourg, italy, austria, some nordic countries, all of europe I guess. singapore and japan. really antiquated mostly.
you're governemnt runs all the providers for one. it's the socialist model. the real socialist model. complete vertical control.
that's probably why it's shiat.


Using the word "socialist" doesn't have any magic power outside the US.

I've used the NHS several times, and have visited hospitals dozens of times for friends or family. It's always been excellent.

You do realise that the UK has private insurance and private hospitals and doctors too, right? it's just very few people use them, because people are generally fine with the NHS.

Doesn't that essentially say everything? We have a choice here. A choice that has far lower private premiums than the US due to NHS competition (often by a factor of 10). Yet still most people choose the NHS.
 
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