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(Daily Kos)   Rick Santorum wants a federal commissar to ensure enough conservative professors are hired by universities. That seems pretty reasonable   (dailykos.com) divider line 411
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2012-02-19 12:05:43 PM
Good lord, he actually says that in the video below. He's going to create a group that certifies college professors as conservative...

He starts this madness at the 26:30

Link (craziness)


Then he goes on about giving government control of the federal reserve.
 
2012-02-19 12:13:40 PM
So, he wants to shut down the public education system and destroy higher education as well.

Sounds like a good way to build a totalitarian state.

Why does Rick hate a free America?
 
2012-02-19 12:14:52 PM
That sounds like a gigantic government interference into personal lives. How very Republican.
 
2012-02-19 12:15:33 PM
Wow. Wow. Political tests for fields of knowledge. That's something right out of the Soviet play book. So, he's now like combining an Iranian Mullah and a Soviet commissar. Both of those things are so American, you know?
 
2012-02-19 12:18:35 PM
That's farked up big time

That's what the Baathists did. WTF Santorum?
 
2012-02-19 12:32:39 PM

GAT_00: That sounds like a gigantic government interference into personal lives. How very Republican.


but how can Santorum say he's a 'small government conservative' when he keeps advocating for larger government and more government intrusion into every aspect of society (and people's private lives)?

I don't get it. people vote for shiat like this? you don't have to be a genius to understand hypocrisy...and santorum reeks of bullshiat.
 
2012-02-19 12:35:12 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: That sounds like a gigantic government interference into personal lives. How very Republican.

but how can Santorum say he's a 'small government conservative' when he keeps advocating for larger government and more government intrusion into every aspect of society (and people's private lives)?

I don't get it. people vote for shiat like this? you don't have to be a genius to understand hypocrisy...and santorum reeks of bullshiat.


Santorum does not believe in small government, he just says that shiat to gather favor from the libertarians in the GOP
 
2012-02-19 12:36:17 PM
Small GovernmentTM in action.
 
2012-02-19 12:44:08 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: That sounds like a gigantic government interference into personal lives. How very Republican.

but how can Santorum say he's a 'small government conservative' when he keeps advocating for larger government and more government intrusion into every aspect of society (and people's private lives)?

I don't get it. people vote for shiat like this? you don't have to be a genius to understand hypocrisy...and santorum reeks of bullshiat.


He believes in small government in helping people such as in providing education, making sure people aren't starving, and keeping them alive (after they are born, of course), and investing in the nation's infrastructure. He believes the government should not be involved in regulating business or stopping the wealthy from raping the rest of the nation/world. That's where he gets his claim that he believes in small government.

He is not small government in the machinery of killing people or in control of people's personal lives/information. He's very much big government when it comes to the military and controlling what you do personally. He's very much big government in wanting to control what information you are allowed to know. But, by wanting to cut social services and infrastructure development, he gets to walk around wearing the small government badge, because that's all modern Republicans are really referring to when they say "small government." They in no way, shape, or form mean they want to government to be less involved in dictating your personal beliefs and life.
 
2012-02-19 12:44:50 PM

cman: Santorum does not believe in small government


Of course he does, he said so. This is the Republican idea of small government.
 
2012-02-19 12:45:23 PM
There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.
 
2012-02-19 12:49:28 PM

IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.


this is a GREAT idea! we should also make CEOs and stockbrokers sign loyalty oaths! lets make sure EVERYONE loves america! Obviously, we should also put a political officer into every corporation as well, just to be sure everyone is in compliance.
 
2012-02-19 12:51:11 PM
Then I guess it's a good thing that this little man with the unfortunate name will never be President of the United States.
 
2012-02-19 12:54:09 PM

Weaver95: this is a GREAT idea! we should also make CEOs and stockbrokers sign loyalty oaths!


they are not directly influencing the children of America, controlling what they say, write, learn, and do. That argument is totally off-base.
 
2012-02-19 12:55:58 PM

IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.


We do. That's why I hate your guts.
 
2012-02-19 12:57:06 PM

IronTom: they are not directly influencing the children of America, controlling what they say, write, learn, and do. That argument is totally off-base.


You mean like parents do? We should have an ideological purity test before people can become parents.
 
2012-02-19 12:57:34 PM

CougarJeff: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

We do. That's why I hate your guts.


I'm sorry I took you off ignore. You really should get some other hobby, your hard-on for me is getting really annoying.
 
2012-02-19 12:58:09 PM

IronTom: Weaver95: this is a GREAT idea! we should also make CEOs and stockbrokers sign loyalty oaths!

they are not directly influencing the children of America, controlling what they say, write, learn, and do. That argument is totally off-base.


And neither will our political officers in various corporations! they will merely monitor the CEO and board of directors for compliance with loyality oaths. oh, and they'll coordinate with Homeland Security as well...you know...for safety! After all, corporations have NOTHING to fear from the government!

Safety and security - that should be their motto. and if you have any problems or concerns that your company might be acting in an unpatriotic manner, why - I am sure that any complaints will be handled quicky and confidentialy! There is no reason to fear your political officer - he is there for YOUR safety and protection citizen!
 
2012-02-19 12:58:27 PM

IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.


Just when I think you've reached the bottom of your stupidity, you dig deep and come up with more derp.
 
2012-02-19 12:58:44 PM

CougarJeff: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

We do. That's why I hate your guts.


I never cared for your odd method of teaching either, where you play TV shows for your students. It sure sounds like you are skipping out on your duties and abdicating that to TV shows.
 
2012-02-19 12:59:19 PM

CougarJeff: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

We do. That's why I hate your guts.


But I'm glad you love America.
 
2012-02-19 01:02:32 PM

Weaver95: IronTom: Weaver95: this is a GREAT idea! we should also make CEOs and stockbrokers sign loyalty oaths!

they are not directly influencing the children of America, controlling what they say, write, learn, and do. That argument is totally off-base.

And neither will our political officers in various corporations! they will merely monitor the CEO and board of directors for compliance with loyality oaths. oh, and they'll coordinate with Homeland Security as well...you know...for safety! After all, corporations have NOTHING to fear from the government!

Safety and security - that should be their motto. and if you have any problems or concerns that your company might be acting in an unpatriotic manner, why - I am sure that any complaints will be handled quicky and confidentialy! There is no reason to fear your political officer - he is there for YOUR safety and protection citizen!


They should report to a Committee for State Security. But abbreviated somehow, possibly in Russian.
 
2012-02-19 01:07:22 PM

IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.


I love the ideals of America. Equality before the law. Liberty. Justice.

That does not mean I automatically love anyone who wraps themselves in an American flag, proclaims how much THEIRS is the right way to love America and any other way is obviously hating America, and then proceeds to run on a platform of denying equality before the law, liberty, and justice (which is pretty much describes the entire group of modern day Republican candidates but especially Santorum and Gingrich).
 
2012-02-19 01:11:02 PM
I had a professor in my east coast liberal elitist university who was a hard core conservative. Named as an Ambassador under Ronald Reagan, a big wig in the GOP's intellectual elite (this was in the 90s, when such a thing existed*).

He used to sharpen his teeth on teenage liberals. You want to defend Clinton's* policies to him, you needed to come with a good argument. I watched this guy tear into people who couldn't defend his argument.

One of my friends wrote his final paper praising Jimmy Carter and the Camp David Accords. He did some meticulous research, backed up every single one of his arguments with citations and facts- and this was long before Wikipedia*.

He got an A+ on that paper. The professor read part of it out loud to the class, praising his research and his arguments, and then said it was one of the most infuriating things he had ever written.

You want that guy to teach college courses? Great. Give me a dozen of them. But I have a feeling that's not what Santorum means.


*adjusts onion
 
2012-02-19 01:12:22 PM

IronTom: CougarJeff: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

We do. That's why I hate your guts.

I'm sorry I took you off ignore. You really should get some other hobby, your hard-on for me is getting really annoying.


So you quoted me three times?
Also, I really don't care what you think of my teaching style, because I don't hold with the GOP belief that any idiot's opinion is valid.
 
2012-02-19 01:12:26 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: IronTom: Weaver95: this is a GREAT idea! we should also make CEOs and stockbrokers sign loyalty oaths!

they are not directly influencing the children of America, controlling what they say, write, learn, and do. That argument is totally off-base.

And neither will our political officers in various corporations! they will merely monitor the CEO and board of directors for compliance with loyality oaths. oh, and they'll coordinate with Homeland Security as well...you know...for safety! After all, corporations have NOTHING to fear from the government!

Safety and security - that should be their motto. and if you have any problems or concerns that your company might be acting in an unpatriotic manner, why - I am sure that any complaints will be handled quicky and confidentialy! There is no reason to fear your political officer - he is there for YOUR safety and protection citizen!

They should report to a Committee for State Security. But abbreviated somehow, possibly in Russian.


It needs to be more American though. How about the Committee for Grumbling Blowhards? A KGB if you will.
 
2012-02-19 01:15:48 PM
CougarJeff: So you quoted me three times?

oh just make out already!
 
2012-02-19 01:16:47 PM

ultraholland: CougarJeff: So you quoted me three times?

oh just make out already!


He keeps tapping, but I'm keeping my stance narrow.
 
2012-02-19 01:18:21 PM
This just in: Rick Santorum is a fooking looney
 
2012-02-19 01:19:32 PM
Are you know, or have you ever been a member of the liberal elite?

ANSWER THE QUESTION, "PROFESSOR"
 
2012-02-19 01:26:28 PM
Former Senator Buttjizz lives in a fantasy land? I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.
 
2012-02-19 01:29:45 PM
Is this guy ever gonna run out of stupid, bad, regressive, impractical, unwanted, pants-on-head retarded ideas?

He's like Old Faithful' in Yellowstone only instead of regularly projecting immense volumes of clear, sparkling water upwards to the delight of thousands of sightseers he spews, well, icky santorum, really.
 
2012-02-19 01:30:42 PM
i159.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-19 01:32:20 PM
Hey, if you're looking for conservative professors in universities, just visit the College of Business (or however they brand it) at your local university and ask them about taxes and banking regulation.
 
2012-02-19 01:32:59 PM

cman: That's farked up big time

That's what the Baathists did. WTF Santorum?


Welcome to the modern Republican Party. Smiles, everyone! Smiles!
 
2012-02-19 01:34:11 PM

Lionel Mandrake: [i159.photobucket.com image 491x340]


I think of that book more and more every day. the parallels are disturbing.
 
2012-02-19 01:37:27 PM
And how do you test for "Conservatism"? Who will do the testing? What questions are asked? How do you verify they aren't just hypocrites?

This guy is a freak.
 
2012-02-19 01:38:26 PM

Sleeping Monkey: And how do you test for "Conservatism"?


core samples.

Now hold still...this might sting a little.....
 
2012-02-19 01:39:37 PM

Sleeping Monkey: And how do you test for "Conservatism"? Who will do the testing? What questions are asked? How do you verify they aren't just hypocrites?

This guy is a freak.


I think you have to pee into a cup. If it's anything other than red, white, and blue then you're a commie.
 
2012-02-19 01:48:44 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-19 02:02:33 PM
Mmmm...needs more Nehemiah Scudder. Of course, with Santorum, the next step is to stamp out the pesky Protestants, as he is a dirty Papist, but I'm sure that particular War on Religion will boil along merrily enough...
 
2012-02-19 02:03:22 PM
Actually, I take that back. Keep talking Rick, for reasons made clear by others in this thread.
 
2012-02-19 02:04:18 PM
I've had plenty of conservative professors. Rick Santorum has no evidence to back up any assertions he makes about liberals and conservatives in the educational arena, nor does he himself fit any reasonable definition of conservative.

i.imgur.com

The man is a reactionary crypto-fascist. He has no trace of the legacy of Edmund Burke or even Russell Kirk anywhere in his body.
 
2012-02-19 02:04:30 PM
This is what small government looks like.
 
2012-02-19 02:08:47 PM

hubiestubert: Mmmm...needs more Nehemiah Scudder. Of course, with Santorum, the next step is to stamp out the pesky Protestants, as he is a dirty Papist, but I'm sure that particular War on Religion will boil along merrily enough...


he he, he's already stated so.

Santorum: Mainline Protestants Are 'Gone From The World Of Christianity' (new window)
 
2012-02-19 02:09:36 PM
Obviously Mr. Santorum has never taken an engineering course.
 
2012-02-19 02:10:02 PM

Somacandra: I've had plenty of conservative professors. Rick Santorum has no evidence to back up any assertions he makes about liberals and conservatives in the educational arena, nor does he himself fit any reasonable definition of conservative.

[i.imgur.com image 576x612]

The man is a reactionary crypto-fascist. He has no trace of the legacy of Edmund Burke or even Russell Kirk anywhere in his body.


Pretty much. The problem has been conflating anyone in the Republican Party as immediately Conservative. Even if they are chewing at the scenery-burn down the house radicals who hate the Constitution, hate their neighbors, and hate the foundation of liberties that make up our society--which, to be fair, a good number of so-called "Conservatives" really do. They hate our liberties, and hate that they have to pay lip service to a nation that allows for religious freedom to be addressed in the Constitution, and hate that they have to smile when mouthing platitudes for a bunch of rubes that they would really just rather do without.

To be fair, the media hasn't been doing us many favors in clearing that up either...
 
2012-02-19 02:10:29 PM
IronTom:

Rusty! How ya been?
 
2012-02-19 02:12:51 PM
www.tv-nostalgie.de

Dum dum da da dum dum dum.
Ja!
 
2012-02-19 02:19:55 PM

IronTom: CougarJeff: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

We do. That's why I hate your guts.

I'm sorry I took you off ignore. You really should get some other hobby, your hard-on for me is getting really annoying.


Wait, you are for real? That wasn't a joke? Well, fark you.

Who the fark are you to tell me who loves America? Who the fark are you to judge how much a person loves his or her country? Who the fark are you to think there could be a proper line of questions to even determine such a thing?

Shut the fark up, you fascist piece of shiat.
 
2012-02-19 02:21:45 PM
With every passing day he says something more pants-shiattingly crazy and gets away with it.

By the time the RNC comes around he'll be bleating about how purity can only be assured by installing monitor chips in the brains of people who enjoy Jack Donaghy ironically and demanding that tampons be sold only by prescription, followed by his campaign promise to change the $10 bill to a photo of Reagan and Jesus double-teaming a crying Janeane Garofalo.
 
2012-02-19 02:25:53 PM

hubiestubert: The problem has been conflating anyone in the Republican Party as immediately Conservative. Even if they are chewing at the scenery-burn down the house radicals who hate the Constitution, hate their neighbors, and hate the foundation of liberties that make up our society--which, to be fair, a good number of so-called "Conservatives" really do



Even better, there is a political party expressly for those people:

t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-02-19 02:26:33 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: With every passing day he says something more pants-shiattingly crazy and gets away with it.

By the time the RNC comes around he'll be bleating about how purity can only be assured by installing monitor chips in the brains of people who enjoy Jack Donaghy ironically and demanding that tampons be sold only by prescription, followed by his campaign promise to change the $10 bill to a photo of Reagan and Jesus double-teaming a crying Janeane Garofalo.


that was the best thing i've read on fark today. my hat is off to you, sir.

i195.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-19 02:28:26 PM

vartian: IronTom: CougarJeff: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

We do. That's why I hate your guts.

I'm sorry I took you off ignore. You really should get some other hobby, your hard-on for me is getting really annoying.

Wait, you are for real? That wasn't a joke? Well, fark you.

Who the fark are you to tell me who loves America? Who the fark are you to judge how much a person loves his or her country? Who the fark are you to think there could be a proper line of questions to even determine such a thing?

Shut the fark up, you fascist piece of shiat.


I was about to reply to IronDouchebag in similar style, but yeah, pretty much this.
 
2012-02-19 02:32:54 PM

GleeUnit: vartian: IronTom: CougarJeff: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

We do. That's why I hate your guts.

I'm sorry I took you off ignore. You really should get some other hobby, your hard-on for me is getting really annoying.

Wait, you are for real? That wasn't a joke? Well, fark you.

Who the fark are you to tell me who loves America? Who the fark are you to judge how much a person loves his or her country? Who the fark are you to think there could be a proper line of questions to even determine such a thing?

Shut the fark up, you fascist piece of shiat.

I was about to reply to IronDouchebag in similar style, but yeah, pretty much this.


Gentlemen, while I am scarcely a source for brevity, I do believe that the accepted response, as opposed to the verbiage that has been expressed thus far, is "Shut up, (insert blank user) you cock!"

Just to save us all some scrolling...
 
2012-02-19 02:37:02 PM

Somacandra: I've had plenty of conservative professors. Rick Santorum has no evidence to back up any assertions he makes about liberals and conservatives in the educational arena, nor does he himself fit any reasonable definition of conservative.

[i.imgur.com image 576x612]

The man is a reactionary crypto-fascist. He has no trace of the legacy of Edmund Burke or even Russell Kirk anywhere in his body.


i16.photobucket.com (new window)

Will you stop sayin everything's crypto-fascist?!
 
2012-02-19 02:41:33 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: With every passing day he says something more pants-shiattingly crazy and gets away with it.

By the time the RNC comes around he'll be bleating about how purity can only be assured by installing monitor chips in the brains of people who enjoy Jack Donaghy ironically and demanding that tampons be sold only by prescription, followed by his campaign promise to change the $10 bill to a photo of Reagan and Jesus double-teaming a crying Janeane Garofalo.


That's a favoriting.

Cool blue cool with you?
 
2012-02-19 02:41:55 PM

GranoblasticMan: Will you stop sayin everything's crypto-fascist?!


How could I have ever been such a smeghead?

/better use that tension sheet
 
2012-02-19 02:43:57 PM
Two Daily Kos links in a row going green? And both about Santorum?

blueollie.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-02-19 02:57:55 PM

IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.


What does it mean to love America? Why do you have to be conservative in order to love America? Does loving America mean that you're not allowed to criticize some of the atrocities they've committed? Should they just be ignored?

There are conservative universities, if a young man or woman desires that sort of education. Who is Santorum to decide whether or not a professor is "conservative" enough.

That sounds an awful lot like brainwashing to me. Something fascist or totalitarian states do.
 
2012-02-19 03:00:33 PM
i1214.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-19 03:04:18 PM
These far-right conservatives choose to see academia as a a fount of liberalism because liberalism as they construe it (everything from Mitt Romney and the other RINOs to Karl Marx) now includes everyone who a) thinks about stuff and b) analyzes the world as it is. If you are including reality in your analysis, you are a liberal now. Sorry, conservative academics who make up the bulk of political science, economics, and management scholars, at Harvard and anywhere else. You're all liberals, it appears. It doesn't matter how much you love Adam Smith or if your viewpoint on international relations is "America needs more wars, definitely." If you have even the most tenuous connection to reality, you're out.

I find myself concerned that someone espousing far-right religious totalitarianism is actually the frontrunner for the Republican nomination at present. I'm not even exaggerating, Rick Santorum is literally running on that now. This is bad.
 
2012-02-19 03:12:29 PM

bobbette: I find myself concerned that someone espousing far-right religious totalitarianism is actually the frontrunner for the Republican nomination at present. I'm not even exaggerating, Rick Santorum is literally running on that now. This is bad.


allow me to nit pick - I have no problem with a dominioninst theocrat openly running for office. that's the sort of thing that can and should happen in a democracy.

what's scary is that people are VOTING FOR HIM and giving him money. that's the sort of pants on head stupidity that I cannot fathom. Santorum has a right to run on a platform of bed wetting fear mongering vile spewing hatred. But in a society of sane and rational people he'd fail to get elected to dog catcher, let alone get a shot at the GOP nomination for President. that's the bit I don't understand...how someone could look at Santorum's views, hear his words, read what he's written...and somehow think that it's a great idea to put this man in office.
 
2012-02-19 03:16:58 PM

Weaver95: bobbette: I find myself concerned that someone espousing far-right religious totalitarianism is actually the frontrunner for the Republican nomination at present. I'm not even exaggerating, Rick Santorum is literally running on that now. This is bad.

allow me to nit pick - I have no problem with a dominioninst theocrat openly running for office. that's the sort of thing that can and should happen in a democracy.

what's scary is that people are VOTING FOR HIM and giving him money. that's the sort of pants on head stupidity that I cannot fathom. Santorum has a right to run on a platform of bed wetting fear mongering vile spewing hatred. But in a society of sane and rational people he'd fail to get elected to dog catcher, let alone get a shot at the GOP nomination for President. that's the bit I don't understand...how someone could look at Santorum's views, hear his words, read what he's written...and somehow think that it's a great idea to put this man in office.


But they don't - which is really the scary part for me. it's a ports fanm mentality, and a distillation into tiny, easily-digested snippets abotu these uys. Romney = rich Mormon. Santorum - unashamed Christian. That's what these people know and they don't care to know more.

Of course, these are also the people who depend on Medicare and Social Security and think the government needs to keep its hands off medical care and leave them the fark alone. So go figure.
 
2012-02-19 03:18:18 PM
Jeez - I should learn to type. Do over: It's a sports fan mentality, and a distillation into tiny, easily-digested snippets about these guys.
 
2012-02-19 03:20:59 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Jeez - I should learn to type. Do over: It's a sports fan mentality, and a distillation into tiny, easily-digested snippets about these guys.


that's more of a cultural thing tho. A lot of americans can't think about the same subject for more than 10 minutes at a time. that's not an insult either btw - it's how people end up being trained to think by network television programming.
 
2012-02-19 03:21:55 PM
Weaver95: VOTING FOR HIM

He's representative of these people. Remember, 40% of your fellow citizens believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis. We're a pack of idiots.
 
2012-02-19 03:25:28 PM

Weaver95: bobbette: I find myself concerned that someone espousing far-right religious totalitarianism is actually the frontrunner for the Republican nomination at present. I'm not even exaggerating, Rick Santorum is literally running on that now. This is bad.

allow me to nit pick - I have no problem with a dominioninst theocrat openly running for office. that's the sort of thing that can and should happen in a democracy.

what's scary is that people are VOTING FOR HIM and giving him money. that's the sort of pants on head stupidity that I cannot fathom. Santorum has a right to run on a platform of bed wetting fear mongering vile spewing hatred. But in a society of sane and rational people he'd fail to get elected to dog catcher, let alone get a shot at the GOP nomination for President. that's the bit I don't understand...how someone could look at Santorum's views, hear his words, read what he's written...and somehow think that it's a great idea to put this man in office.


You're not nitpicking, you're actually restating my point! I don't have a problem with Santorum running. I have a problem that he's the front-runner, for all the same reasons you mentioned.
 
2012-02-19 03:37:35 PM

bobbette: You're not nitpicking, you're actually restating my point! I don't have a problem with Santorum running. I have a problem that he's the front-runner, for all the same reasons you mentioned.


oh. well alrightie then!

incidentally, i've noticed that a LOT of GOP shills and True Believers get very upset when someone dares to discuss what it is Santorum wants to do to this country. they get REALLY upset when you use actual quotes from his speeches too. its like...secret knowledge or something.
 
2012-02-19 03:43:00 PM

Weaver95: bobbette: You're not nitpicking, you're actually restating my point! I don't have a problem with Santorum running. I have a problem that he's the front-runner, for all the same reasons you mentioned.

oh. well alrightie then!

incidentally, i've noticed that a LOT of GOP shills and True Believers get very upset when someone dares to discuss what it is Santorum wants to do to this country. they get REALLY upset when you use actual quotes from his speeches too. its like...secret knowledge or something.


They want him to sneak through on his "fiscal conservative credentials" and then execute the dominionist agenda. Of course they're mad when you point out his own self-professed dominionist agenda!
 
2012-02-19 03:43:14 PM
The problem comes from my farking generation.

I'm 45. We were conditioned by Rambo. Raised by uncle Ronnie. When we our age of sexuality began, AIDS epidemic hit. Liberals and Carter were made into boogeyman.

The result? We got a Black Democratic president who is a right moderate and GOP who's fascist leaning is considered normal.
 
2012-02-19 04:00:54 PM

Darth_Lukecash: The problem comes from my farking generation.


Further compounded by the general apathy of my generation (I'm 26). Lots of my friends vote, but a large portion of them are the same people who can't be bothered to actually read political news. Everything they know about a candidate comes from political ads and everything they know about a ballot measure comes from the 1 to 2 sentence summary presented at the polls.
 
2012-02-19 04:01:05 PM

Weaver95: bobbette: You're not nitpicking, you're actually restating my point! I don't have a problem with Santorum running. I have a problem that he's the front-runner, for all the same reasons you mentioned.

oh. well alrightie then!

incidentally, i've noticed that a LOT of GOP shills and True Believers get very upset when someone dares to discuss what it is Santorum wants to do to this country. they get REALLY upset when you use actual quotes from his speeches too. its like...secret knowledge or something.


Remember kids: quoting someone is bad. It's a breach of the trust that the media has with the intended to rule. Quotes are misuse of copyrighted material. Quotes are not for actual dissemination, just attribution at a later date by those who actual make such statements. Unless of course, it's someone I don't like, then I can misquote them and use zero attribution, because attribution is too much like scholarship, and scholarship is a sure sign that you don't trust someone, and if you don't trust your leadership, then why would God give them rule over you?

Remember kids: if you use quotations, you hate God.
 
2012-02-19 04:03:31 PM
So Rick Santorum is for affirmative action?
 
2012-02-19 04:05:56 PM

WorldCitizen: Wow. Wow. Political tests for fields of knowledge. That's something right out of the Soviet play book. So, he's now like combining an Iranian Mullah and a Soviet commissar. Both of those things are so American, you know?


Soviet? I would say more Roman Catholic Church ca 1400's.
 
2012-02-19 04:06:45 PM

Darth_Lukecash: The problem comes from my farking generation.

I'm 45. We were conditioned by Rambo. Raised by uncle Ronnie. When we our age of sexuality began, AIDS epidemic hit. Liberals and Carter were made into boogeyman.

The result? We got a Black Democratic president who is a right moderate and GOP who's fascist leaning is considered normal.


Pretty much.

Remember when George Bush blasted Reagan's Voodoo Economics? The one thing we can damn him for, is that he didn't drive that home enough. I hate to say this, but I really wonder what the 80s would have been like if Bush had taken the nomination and won in 1980. Bush was an Ambassador to the UN. Envoy to China. Director of the CIA, dammit. He was, perhaps one of the most qualified Presidents we've had in two generations.

And he played second banana to the guy who fed actors and directors to HUAC...

TANJ...
 
2012-02-19 04:08:28 PM
I actually know a conservative history professor. Back when I met him and he was in school he would talk about how unfair it was that he was taxed for being a high achiever. After he mooched off of his wife to pay for his schooling he left her and his son for a student. He hasn't even seen his son for five years.

He's very Gingrichian.
 
2012-02-19 04:10:08 PM
My department has enough conservative professors for the whole university.

I shiat you not, one professor gave out a handout in one of my undergrad classes that showed how Fox News was by far the most accurate news outlet.

/Texas State
 
2012-02-19 04:10:29 PM

Javacrucian: [img.photobucket.com image 443x375]


That image keeps getting me all hot and bothered... Mmm...

/ I really farking love Nilla wafers
 
2012-02-19 04:11:29 PM

IronTom: Weaver95: this is a GREAT idea! we should also make CEOs and stockbrokers sign loyalty oaths!

they are not directly influencing the children of America, controlling what they say, write, learn, and do. That argument is totally off-base.


2/10

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
 
2012-02-19 04:12:28 PM

ultraholland: Remember, 40% of your fellow citizens believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis. We're a pack of idiots.


That's what I don't get. Genesis contains two contradictory versions of a story interwoven into one document. To believe in it "literally" is an act of Doublethink.
 
2012-02-19 04:12:37 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: and demanding that tampons be sold only by prescription,


TAMPONS:
"Satan's Little Cotton Fingers!"
(new window)
 
2012-02-19 04:12:37 PM
Don't turn around, Wo-oah!

t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-02-19 04:14:24 PM
Nothing says limited government and respect for the First Amendment like forcing universities to hire professors that agree with you.

/The Republican Party - ethically and intellectually bankrupt since God knows when.
 
2012-02-19 04:14:39 PM
Colleges have many, many conservative professors.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, Rick, but not every person with a degree went to Wellesley.
 
2012-02-19 04:15:09 PM
arent republicans supposed to be against government messing with things?
 
2012-02-19 04:15:48 PM
Successful Troll is Successful.
 
2012-02-19 04:17:19 PM
How can even the craziest republicans support this?

This would increase government control over the people.
It would take away from states's rights to oversee how their public schools are run.

It's like the crazies completely forget about what they stand for when it comes to an issue that they want to happen no matter what.
 
2012-02-19 04:18:36 PM

eternalfrost: arent republicans supposed to be against government messing with things?


I think Rick Santorum fancies himself as a Francisco Franco. A Catholic fascist. You know, for the people.
 
2012-02-19 04:19:03 PM
Keep saying things like this, Rick. Keep putting the unvarnished truth out there. Keep taking-no-prisoners when it comes to conservative ideological purity. Let the people of the United States you won't stand for any of this namby-pamby RINO crap. Show 'em what a Real Conservative believes.
 
2012-02-19 04:20:07 PM
I'm tired of liberals teaching bullshiat like evolution, or the big bang, or that Ben Franklin discovered electricity. I discovered electricity. Ben Franklin is the devil!

P.S. vote republican
 
2012-02-19 04:20:11 PM

themindiswatching: So Rick Santorum is for affirmative action?


For morans, yes.

/Imagine having a test on the American Revolution with Micheal Savage as your prof
 
2012-02-19 04:20:15 PM
Newt Gingrich is a conservative professor. Newt is often held up as as an intellectual of the Right.

If this is the type of professor Santorum wants staffing universities, universities will need to start paying students to attend. No one, in good conscience would force someone to pay to listen to a dumbass like that.
 
2012-02-19 04:20:27 PM
He is just saying that because he wants Dr. Newt Gingrich, History PhD to spend the rest of his life in academia.

Starting right now.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-02-19 04:20:30 PM
Nothing is more American than a политрук from политический руководитель.
 
2012-02-19 04:21:01 PM

what_now: I had a professor in my east coast liberal elitist university who was a hard core conservative. Named as an Ambassador under Ronald Reagan, a big wig in the GOP's intellectual elite (this was in the 90s, when such a thing existed*).

He used to sharpen his teeth on teenage liberals. You want to defend Clinton's* policies to him, you needed to come with a good argument. I watched this guy tear into people who couldn't defend his argument.

One of my friends wrote his final paper praising Jimmy Carter and the Camp David Accords. He did some meticulous research, backed up every single one of his arguments with citations and facts- and this was long before Wikipedia*.

He got an A+ on that paper. The professor read part of it out loud to the class, praising his research and his arguments, and then said it was one of the most infuriating things he had ever written.

You want that guy to teach college courses? Great. Give me a dozen of them. But I have a feeling that's not what Santorum means.


*adjusts onion


The professor you cite held both personal political views and professional teaching views, and he kept both separate. That's amazing, but unfortunately it is also incredibly rare. I agree that Santorum doesnt' want that, and even if he did the number of people who could satisfy such a demand would be pitifully small.

No, unfortunately, what Santorum demands is that teachers pass a purity test. I used to live in a world where this man was merely a defeated Senator. What happened?
 
2012-02-19 04:21:04 PM
Some sort of Fairness Doctrine, if you will.
 
2012-02-19 04:21:19 PM
Rick Santorum is the single biggest threat to this democracy right now. The fact that this guy could actually get the Republican nomination, and thus be elected president scares the crap out of me.
 
2012-02-19 04:21:21 PM
Area candidate passionate critic of what he imagines university faculty to be.
 
2012-02-19 04:22:27 PM

Wyalt Derp: Some sort of Fairness Doctrine, if you will.


You don't even know what the Fairness Doctrine is. You heard it on Rush Limpballs and you're parroting here because you ate paint chips as an infant.
 
2012-02-19 04:24:18 PM

hubiestubert: Darth_Lukecash: The problem comes from my farking generation.

I'm 45. We were conditioned by Rambo. Raised by uncle Ronnie. When we our age of sexuality began, AIDS epidemic hit. Liberals and Carter were made into boogeyman.

The result? We got a Black Democratic president who is a right moderate and GOP who's fascist leaning is considered normal.

Pretty much.

Remember when George Bush blasted Reagan's Voodoo Economics? The one thing we can damn him for, is that he didn't drive that home enough. I hate to say this, but I really wonder what the 80s would have been like if Bush had taken the nomination and won in 1980. Bush was an Ambassador to the UN. Envoy to China. Director of the CIA, dammit. He was, perhaps one of the most qualified Presidents we've had in two generations.

And he played second banana to the guy who fed actors and directors to HUAC...

TANJ...


GHBush could have been considered a great president, except for the Republican economic timebomb that blew up in his face, and he was oblivious to it. Even my father, who was hard core conservative voted against him because of the S&L crisis.

He was great internationally, lousy domestically
 
2012-02-19 04:25:00 PM
Wrong tag, sir.

I believe we're looking for the SCARY tag since this guy is the current Anyone But Romney. Now he might be peaking a bit soon to lock things up, but seriously. SCARY tag please.
 
2012-02-19 04:27:01 PM
Enough for what? To keep the student union building tea-room scene lively?
 
2012-02-19 04:27:41 PM
farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2012-02-19 04:32:13 PM
Why would you want college professors to teach the failed ideology known as conservatism?
 
2012-02-19 04:34:08 PM

themindiswatching: So Rick Santorum is for affirmative action?


that's right. why shouldn't dumbasses be teachers? it's not fair to the dumbasses.
 
2012-02-19 04:35:25 PM
The fact that this farking douchebag Christianist authoritarian can even sniff the GOP nomination is everything you need to know about the current Republican party. Lincoln would weep.
 
2012-02-19 04:35:30 PM
Quotas are bad. Quotas are always bad. They're wrong. They bad and wrong. Quotas are always bad and wrong. And immoral. Quotas are bad, wrong and immoral. Always.

ALWAYS.

Unless they're Republican.
 
2012-02-19 04:37:34 PM
Kibbler: Unless they're Republican.

IOKIYAR


MrEricSir: That's what I don't get. Genesis contains two contradictory versions of a story interwoven into one document. To believe in it "literally" is an act of Doublethink.

See, your problem is that you're applying logic to this.
 
2012-02-19 04:37:45 PM

Kibbler: Quotas are bad. Quotas are always bad. They're wrong. They bad and wrong. Quotas are always bad and wrong. And immoral. Quotas are bad, wrong and immoral. Always.

ALWAYS.

Unless they're Republican.



Kinda like adultery, drug use and casual sex in public restrooms.
 
2012-02-19 04:38:44 PM

IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.


10/10, That's some spiffy trolling you did there.
 
2012-02-19 04:39:39 PM

Kibbler: Quotas are bad. Quotas are always bad. They're wrong. They bad and wrong. Quotas are always bad and wrong. And immoral. Quotas are bad, wrong and immoral. Always.

ALWAYS.

Unless they're Republican.


Just save this and use it as a template for every time the GOP spouts a "for me, but not for thee" statement.

Government legislating behavior is always bad. It's wrong. It's bad and wrong. Government legislating behavior is always bad and wrong. And immoral. Government legislating behavior is bad, wrong and immoral. Always.

Unless they're Republican.


See?
 
2012-02-19 04:39:42 PM

theorellior: Kibbler: Quotas are bad. Quotas are always bad. They're wrong. They bad and wrong. Quotas are always bad and wrong. And immoral. Quotas are bad, wrong and immoral. Always.

ALWAYS.

Unless they're Republican.


Kinda like adultery, drug use and casual sex in public restrooms.


Oh! And welfare. Don't forget about welfare. Or really, government spending of any kind.
 
2012-02-19 04:40:08 PM
Rick...you moron; you cater to the lowest fearful denominator among conservatives. Good job...but seriously none of the big issues that you talk about are actually big issues. Abortion? Only big if you haven't kept up with the lat 30-40 years of history. Conservative litmus tests for hiring professors? Oh come on now...have some trust in people to think for themselves. But wait...if you did that they they would probably not vote for you.

/can't believe the utter shiat pile of candidates that I have to choose from this time.
//ron paul
///we can do better people
////slashy abuse is a federal offense
// 10-20 in a federal prison for that one
/its the economy...derp
 
2012-02-19 04:41:44 PM
I go to a law school where the right-wing Federalist Society is the largest and most powerful student group on campus by orders of magnitude, where it's like pulling teeth to get anyone to show up at any meetings of more liberal student groups, where the Christian Legal Society has about twice as many active members as OUTLaw, etc, and yet the president of the Federalist Society is convinced it's really hard to be a conservative Christian on campus because sometimes people disagree with him.

If that's the kind of persecution complex that is governing this idea that universities need to be forced to hire more conservative professors, we're going to wind up with some kind of McCarthyesqe blacklist and professors getting dragged before congress to prove that they aren't too liberal.
 
2012-02-19 04:42:13 PM

IronTom: CougarJeff: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

We do. That's why I hate your guts.

I never cared for your odd method of teaching either, where you play TV shows for your students. It sure sounds like you are skipping out on your duties and abdicating that to TV shows.


So, you'd prefer that teachers don't use wonderful resources like Bill Nye? Bill's videos are educational, funny, and fifth graders love them. They're usually fairly short, so you can spend the rest of the period reinforcing the information presented, fielding questions, and expanding upon the information that interested the kids. Utilizing videos is not "abdicating" anything at all. Had I not watched Richard Burton & Liz Taylor during my literature class, I'd have never gotten interested in reading Shakespeare. Had I not watched Huckleberry Finn in middle school, I'd have never become the Twain aficionado that I am. (that, and Miss Lindsay loaning me her copy of Letters From The Earth - I still love her for that.)
 
2012-02-19 04:45:21 PM
Maybe we should let super PACs speak with their money to determine who should be a professor. Whoever gets the most super PAC dollar votes, gets the job.

Obviously, that's the fair way to do it.
 
2012-02-19 04:46:36 PM

indylaw: /The Republican Party - ethically and intellectually bankrupt since God knows when.


Since Nixon's Southern Strategy.
 
2012-02-19 04:48:42 PM
Franco went after the universities, too...
 
2012-02-19 04:49:04 PM
So really, what Santorum is talking about here are faculty in the humanities, social sciences, and history. He's going to need a lot of academic foot soldiers to rewrite history and the consensus on sociocultural theory to prove that religious conservatives were right all along, you see. It will also help to foster a new consensus that provides an academic foundation for his aggressively authoritarian and repressive regime.

What a stain in the bedsheets of humanity this man is. Thank Ahura Mazda he isn't even going to win his party's nomination. My hope is that by having Santorum come this close, the left actually gets somewhat energized.
 
2012-02-19 04:52:21 PM
I think we should let the market decide.
 
2012-02-19 04:52:51 PM
culebra: Thank Ahura Mazda he isn't even going to win his party's nomination.

I really wish he would. Many lulz would be had.
 
2012-02-19 04:54:26 PM
Silly Santorum, don't you know only liberals favorite protected classes get special preference?

Minority/Union owned business as a % of government work.
Affirmative Action.
Gender (female) specific scholarships.
Title IX
 
2012-02-19 04:56:11 PM
"And that his how Reagan karate-chopped Hitler and saved the world. Jimmy, I see your hand raised. What did I say about questions, Jimmy? What did I say? I said, don't question the teachings of Jesus. And yet, there you are, questioning the teachings of Jesus. Why do you hate Jesus, Jimmy? Why do you doubt that Jesus sent his only begotten son Reagan to karate-chop Hitler and save the world? Did you want Hitler to win, and carry on the old socialist American public school system that he and his sodomy husband Mussolini loved so much? Did you want to be confused with a lot of lies? Do you want to be forced to kiss boys and salute Hitler? Then why, Jimmy? Why, why, why must you raise your hand? Day after day, week after week, I come to work, I'm ready to teach the truth of Jesus and his only-begotten son Reagan, and there you are, your hand in the air. I try not to drink, Jimmy, I try not to think about bourbon, brownest of the brown liquors...what? Bourbon? You *want* me to drink you? You *command* me? Jesus told you to command me?"
 
2012-02-19 04:56:18 PM
So, let me get this straight?

Rick Santorum would like there to be something done to ensure at least a certain number of conservative teachers.

He believes that this is an 'action' that should be done, and that it should be affirmed.

It sounds sorta like some policy he disapporves of, but he wouldn't be a hypocritcal ass, would he?

(Spoiler:

Yes he would)
 
2012-02-19 04:56:20 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: IronTom: Weaver95:
They should report to a Committee for State Security. But abbreviated somehow, possibly in Russian.


No, no, make it an Extraordinary Committee, one that would check Americanism. Call it Check Ah. And the guys who do the checking, call them check-ists.

/That's the ticket.
 
2012-02-19 04:56:22 PM

theorellior: Keep saying things like this, Rick. Keep putting the unvarnished truth out there. Keep taking-no-prisoners when it comes to conservative ideological purity. Let the people of the United States you won't stand for any of this namby-pamby RINO crap. Show 'em what a Real Conservative believes.


...so that intelligent, thinking people can avoid you.
 
2012-02-19 04:56:39 PM

culebra: My hope is that by having Santorum come this close, the left actually gets somewhat energized.


Not sure if giggity or ew.
 
2012-02-19 04:57:00 PM
The man's a damn idiot.

Can't we get back the intelligent conservatives who understood what their beliefs were and had the ability to have rational discourse to support their points?
 
2012-02-19 04:57:05 PM

ultraholland: culebra: Thank Ahura Mazda he isn't even going to win his party's nomination.

I really wish he would. Many lulz would be had.


True enough it would be a slaughter. These religious types tend to get all martyr-y
in those situations, however, so it might be better if he just gets quietly smothered by Romney's millions.

But no-you're right. That shiat would be hilarious and completely worth it.
 
2012-02-19 04:59:22 PM
If you are to be eligible for federal funds, you'll have to provide an equal number of conservative professors as liberal professors.

Sounds like someone forgot that we're supposed to have the federal department of education, along with the fairness doctrine.

/Conservative outrages would be so much more reasonable if they were internally consistent.
 
2012-02-19 05:00:07 PM

MyRandomName: Silly Santorum, don't you know only liberals favorite protected classes get special preference?

Minority/Union owned business as a % of government work.
Affirmative Action.
Gender (female) specific scholarships.
Title IX


Also veterans.
 
2012-02-19 05:00:07 PM
I'm sure most teachers do love America, conservative or not. The ultra-leftist ones sort of seem to like other things more. Have no citations.
 
2012-02-19 05:02:19 PM
Oh wow! I can' decide which loon I want to see lose against Obama.

They're all so deserving!
 
2012-02-19 05:03:02 PM
A politically diverse faculty? Sounds like a good thing.
 
2012-02-19 05:03:03 PM
It's all bunk about loving America. Neither side really does.

Liberals love an America that could be.
Conservatives love an America that never was.
 
2012-02-19 05:03:29 PM
I wish we had Carlin around for this election. His bits about Catholics were always my favorite.

On a similar note, someone should troll Santorum's campaign by switching the music at his next function to Zappa's Catholic Girls.

/all the way
 
2012-02-19 05:03:50 PM

MyRandomName: Silly Santorum, don't you know only liberals favorite protected classes get special preference?

Minority/Union owned business as a % of government work.
Affirmative Action.
Gender (female) specific scholarships.
Title IX


Why is it that every Farker with Random in their name is a total right-wing tool? Or is there really just one of you?
 
2012-02-19 05:04:39 PM

mark12A: A politically diverse faculty? Sounds like a good thing.


Sounds like virtually every university with which I've ever been involved too (and there are many). Santorum, as usual, is speaking from a place of ignorance on the matter.
 
2012-02-19 05:04:59 PM
I think that poultry farmers should use an equal number of foxes as hens for egg laying.
 
2012-02-19 05:05:09 PM

mark12A: A politically diverse faculty? Sounds like a good thing.


I suppose more qualified conservatives should go into teaching then. Non-problem solved.
 
2012-02-19 05:05:27 PM

LectertheChef: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

10/10, That's some spiffy trolling you did there.


more like dipping your hand in the water and having piranhas bite it.
 
2012-02-19 05:06:42 PM

rynthetyn: ...is convinced it's really hard to be a conservative Christian on campus because sometimes people disagree with him.


It's not that it's harder for them to be openly Christian or Conservative. It's just that the nature of their views make it harder to defend themselves in kind of environment they're in. My guess is that it stems more from the Christian angle than anything else, but I could be wrong. In law school, as a general matter, the argument "Because I/some book/some guy said so" doesn't get you very far (unless it's a class about the Federal Rules of Evidence... then it's the only argument you need to know). As a general matter, that's the only kind of argument that would ever be employed in the context of an argument between a Christian and a non-Christian.

It's not so much that it's hard to be a Christian at a law school, it's just that it's hard to find a justification for injecting your law school with your Christianity.
 
2012-02-19 05:06:52 PM

mark12A: A politically diverse faculty? Sounds like a good thing.


How about a faculty made up of the highest, most competent experts in their fields of study? I think I'll take that along with academic freedom rather than your political test.
 
2012-02-19 05:06:56 PM
Did it ever occur to Rick that there are so few professors who agree with him because smart, well-educated people know that his ideas are terrible?
 
2012-02-19 05:07:36 PM
Conservatives sure love their Fascism, don't they?
 
2012-02-19 05:08:55 PM
My big question: where is Mitt Romney in all of this? He could easily bash down Santorum and bring little civility back to the discussion by focusing on how we should be dealing with the politics at hand, not engaging in demonization that has been the bane of American politics so far.

Oh, wait: the one who did that today was one of Obama's staff, who are laughing at how the Republicans are squealing about saving 'their' party yet not countering any of this at all because...um...yeah.

The Republicans, by their silence, agree with this. Therefore, the Republicans are now a Christian fascist party who are just dishonest enough to screech about their past to trick people into voting for them. Yeah, that should end well.
 
2012-02-19 05:09:29 PM

WorldCitizen: mark12A: A politically diverse faculty? Sounds like a good thing.

How about a faculty made up of the highest, most competent experts in their fields of study? I think I'll take that along with academic freedom rather than your political test.


Clearly we cannot trust the free market in this case.

IronTom: LectertheChef: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

10/10, That's some spiffy trolling you did there.

more like dipping your hand in the water and having piranhas bite it.


Kinky. I hope your "hand" heals quickly.
 
2012-02-19 05:09:41 PM
"I love America."

DRINK!
 
2012-02-19 05:09:41 PM
1) That sounds like affirmative action. I thought conservatives hated that?

2) There are conservative professors in universities. They're in the Business (and likely law and medicine) departments..
 
2012-02-19 05:10:24 PM
As a point of reference...

What a conservative professor might look like:

www.movieactors.com


What a liberal professor might look like:

www.thefilmdb.co.uk
 
2012-02-19 05:11:35 PM

CougarJeff: IronTom: they are not directly influencing the children of America, controlling what they say, write, learn, and do. That argument is totally off-base.

You mean like parents do? We should have an ideological purity test before people can become parents.


No, we just need to make sure children are taught to inform on their parents' questionable views, so the nonconformist parents can be rounded up and the children moved to appropriate foster homes.
 
2012-02-19 05:12:41 PM

Nem Wan: CougarJeff: IronTom: they are not directly influencing the children of America, controlling what they say, write, learn, and do. That argument is totally off-base.

You mean like parents do? We should have an ideological purity test before people can become parents.

No, we just need to make sure children are taught to inform on their parents' questionable views, so the nonconformist parents can be rounded up and the children moved to appropriate foster freedom homes.


FTFY
 
2012-02-19 05:19:32 PM

Doc Lee: Why would you want college professors to teach the failed ideology known as conservatism?


It's because Santorum, and other Republicans, see their party dying a painful death in the next few decades. The only way to stave that off is to stop abortions and contraception, and then start stacking the schools with conservative teachers and professors. The only goddamn way they'll be relevent in the future is to start breeding and teaching conservatives NOW. Otherwise they'll wind up irrevelent, or dead from the aftermath of what they push on the populace. They know it, and we do too.
 
2012-02-19 05:23:43 PM

culebra: ultraholland: culebra: Thank Ahura Mazda he isn't even going to win his party's nomination.

I really wish he would. Many lulz would be had.

True enough it would be a slaughter. These religious types tend to get all martyr-y
in those situations, however, so it might be better if he just gets quietly smothered by Romney's millions.

But no-you're right. That shiat would be hilarious and completely worth it.


Part of me wants him to get the nomination just so the far right can watch as their crazy ideas are squashed.
But, I remember 2004 and GWB was re-elected.
All it would take is a slight dip in the econmy and/or another terrorists attack and I'm afraid there would be just enough idiots out there to vote for him and make him our next president.

I doubt that would happen, but I do not think the punchline would be worth the joke
 
2012-02-19 05:24:41 PM
small government
 
2012-02-19 05:25:54 PM

Weaver95: bobbette: I find myself concerned that someone espousing far-right religious totalitarianism is actually the frontrunner for the Republican nomination at present. I'm not even exaggerating, Rick Santorum is literally running on that now. This is bad.

allow me to nit pick - I have no problem with a dominioninst theocrat openly running for office. that's the sort of thing that can and should happen in a democracy.

what's scary is that people are VOTING FOR HIM and giving him money. that's the sort of pants on head stupidity that I cannot fathom. Santorum has a right to run on a platform of bed wetting fear mongering vile spewing hatred. But in a society of sane and rational people he'd fail to get elected to dog catcher, let alone get a shot at the GOP nomination for President. that's the bit I don't understand...how someone could look at Santorum's views, hear his words, read what he's written...and somehow think that it's a great idea to put this man in office.


What I have been saying all along about $arah Palin. Problem is not that she is a complete and utter moron not qualified to even be a secretary at a real estate office. Problem that this magnificently illustrates is that too large of a percentage of the voting population just do not have the intelligence that they should be allowed anywhere near a voting booth.

Stupid people vote for stupid people who have stupid ideas. Who'd thunk that? So when can we end this atrocious idea of letting every moron vote? You have to pass an exam to drive, why not one to vote? We are getting the government we deserve by allowing the low IQ retards a voice when they really should have none.
 
2012-02-19 05:28:42 PM

Marcus Aurelius: So, he wants to shut down the public education system and destroy higher education as well.


No, he doesn't. He just wants to make a separate but equal "conservative public education system" and "conservative higher education" as well.

/But as such, Politifact just awarded you the Lie of the Year for 2012.
 
2012-02-19 05:29:17 PM

IronTom: LectertheChef: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

10/10, That's some spiffy trolling you did there.

more like dipping your hand in the water and having piranhas bite it.


If you knew that there were piranha in the water, you'd only dip your hand in expecting to get bites.

Therefore, troll.
Therefore, plonk.

I don't mind having discussions with rightwingers, in fact I sometimes enjoy it. But you just outed yourself as a troll, so you get no attention from me. I'd encourage others to follow suit. The guy just admitted to trolling.
 
2012-02-19 05:29:23 PM

ssa5: So when can we end this atrocious idea of letting every moron vote?


When we end the democracy.

You know how free speech means allowing speech you don't like? Democracy means allowing votes you don't like.

Deal with it.
 
2012-02-19 05:30:00 PM

NFA: Good lord, he actually says that in the video below. He's going to create a group that certifies college professors as conservative...

He starts this madness at the 26:30

Link (craziness)


Then he goes on about giving government control of the federal reserve.


You watched 26:30 of that video to FIND that? God bless you, man.
 
2012-02-19 05:32:02 PM

theorellior: Keep saying things like this, Rick. Keep putting the unvarnished truth out there. Keep taking-no-prisoners when it comes to conservative ideological purity. Let the people of the United States you won't stand for any of this namby-pamby RINO crap. Show 'em what a Real Conservative believes.


..and see Obama get re-elected in a landslide.
 
2012-02-19 05:33:13 PM
'Commissar'... sure sounds alot like those 'czars' that he keeps harping against.
 
2012-02-19 05:34:11 PM
i678.photobucket.com

Soviet Comedy Robot Says: "In Santorum America, the ass farks you."
 
2012-02-19 05:35:18 PM

IronTom: I'm sure most teachers do love America, conservative or not. The ultra-leftist ones sort of seem to like other things more. Have no citations.


Conservatives hate America and hate Americans. Not a day goes by that the conservatives don't wish and pray for an American city to be nuked. It's a major part of their policy platform. Not a day goes by where conservatives don't wish that all centrists (or what you call "ultra-leftists" in your infinite ignorance) in the US were rounded up and executed. Not a day goes by where conservatives don't wish that centrists were stripped of their voting rights.

Conservatives are vile, disgusting, anti-Americans.
 
2012-02-19 05:37:26 PM

the opposite of charity is justice: 'Commissar'... sure sounds alot like those 'czars' that he keeps harping against.


I love that they rail against Obama's "czars" which dominated the feudalist times the Republicans are so eager to bring back but they have no problem with the "Commisar" of the communist uprising.
Granted, Republicans (and most neoliberals) are practically Stalinists, they just want a private parasite class instead of a public one, but they want it just as centralized and in just as few hands.
 
2012-02-19 05:37:37 PM

Farkin'round: ..and see Obama get re-elected in a landslide.


*ssshhhh* there's trolls in them thar hills!

the opposite of charity is justice: 'Commissar'... sure sounds alot like those 'czars' that he keeps harping against.


And if you break it down, it sounds an awful lot like commie-czar. Why does Santorum want the communists to take over? What party membership, WHAR?
 
2012-02-19 05:37:57 PM

Mad_Radhu: [i678.photobucket.com image 308x448]

Soviet Comedy Robot Says: "In Santorum America, the ass farks you."


Actually, it's more like Soviet for "Mission Accomplished."

/Really.
 
2012-02-19 05:39:57 PM

ssa5:
Stupid people vote for stupid people who have stupid ideas. Who'd thunk that? So when can we end this atrocious idea of letting every moron vote? You have to pass an exam to drive, why not one to vote? We are getting the government we deserve by allowing the low IQ retards a voice when they really should have none.


Because those who can vote would probably only vote for their own interest (and oppress those who didn't or couldn't vote). Sure, democracy for all can lead to problems, but there is an election every 4 years.

And as stupid as people are, do you see Sarah Palin becoming president? Or any of these other idiots? And even if they do, like i said, there is an election in 4 years, and they would probably be voted out.

Jeffersonian democracy may not be perfect, but it is the best we have.
 
2012-02-19 05:40:13 PM
The ones who claim to love this country loudly daily and wrap themselves in the flag usually end up hating the country the most.
 
2012-02-19 05:43:13 PM
So Rick Santorum want to appoint a...shall we say... "Czar" to make sure we have enough conservative professors. That might just work!

/How far has the party of Lincoln fallen? Seriously, this numbnut has a chance to win the GOP primary.
 
2012-02-19 05:45:58 PM
He Rick, if you weren't a Poli Sci major in college you might have seen some not-so tree hugging hippy profs. They were in places like the School of Business.
 
2012-02-19 05:46:37 PM

ib_thinkin: rynthetyn: ...is convinced it's really hard to be a conservative Christian on campus because sometimes people disagree with him.

It's not that it's harder for them to be openly Christian or Conservative. It's just that the nature of their views make it harder to defend themselves in kind of environment they're in. My guess is that it stems more from the Christian angle than anything else, but I could be wrong. In law school, as a general matter, the argument "Because I/some book/some guy said so" doesn't get you very far (unless it's a class about the Federal Rules of Evidence... then it's the only argument you need to know). As a general matter, that's the only kind of argument that would ever be employed in the context of an argument between a Christian and a non-Christian.

It's not so much that it's hard to be a Christian at a law school, it's just that it's hard to find a justification for injecting your law school with your Christianity.


It's not even that, this guy thinks that it's an environment where it's difficult to simply be open about the fact that you're a Christian, even aside from getting into arguments with people about faith issues. If I'm remembering correctly, he's even used the language of the closet to express how he thinks it's so hard for people to open about their faith in such a liberal secular environment. Thing is, I'm a Christian, I've expressed that fact (and that I went to a Christian college is kind of a giveaway), I've mentioned in passing that my faith informs my beliefs on certain social justice issues, etc, because I'm not one to compartmentalize my life, and I've had none of the persecution that this guy seems to think happens to Christians on campus. Of course, I also don't think that just because someone disagrees with me on something that it means I'm being persecuted.

I'm involved in both OUTLaw and the Christian Legal Society, I've never had anybody in OUTLaw attack my Christian faith, but I did have the chaplain for Intervarsity Christian Fellowship talk to me after a Christian Legal Society meeting about how he'd like to sit down with me and discuss what he thinks the Bible says about being gay.
 
2012-02-19 05:47:32 PM

steverockson: So Rick Santorum want to appoint a...shall we say... "Czar" to make sure we have enough conservative professors. That might just work!

/How far has the party of Lincoln fallen? Seriously, this numbnut has a chance to win the GOP primary.


I might just vote for the guy in the primary. Just for the lulz. You know....a chaotic vote. That's OK, I hear.
 
2012-02-19 05:50:22 PM

GranoblasticMan: Hey, if you're looking for conservative professors in universities, just visit the College of Business (or however they brand it) at your local university and ask them about taxes and banking regulation.


seriously. but not all, I had some great finance professors that came from regulatory agencies, so i had some balance.

at my MBA, one of the finance professors tried feeding us the "community lending standards caused the mortgage meltdown" derp. i challenged him with federal reserve studies on default rates, and his response was "I don't feel like talking about this anymore"

he got fired last semester for all around suckitude. thank farking god.
 
2012-02-19 05:50:22 PM
Approves.

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-02-19 05:50:50 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: ...followed by his campaign promise to change the $10 bill to a photo of Reagan and Jesus double-teaming a crying Janeane Garofalo.


I have the strangest boner right now...
 
2012-02-19 05:51:06 PM
Dear Rick Santorum:

No. Fark off. Life is polarized enough without you trying to polarize it even further with your extremist bullshiat.

Sincerely,
The American Public
 
2012-02-19 05:51:22 PM
Santorum: the frothy mix of McCarthyism and Little House on The Prairie that is sometimes the by-product of...

I can't decide how best to finish the sentence. The Republican Party embracing the "Moral Majority"? Fear and stupidity?
 
2012-02-19 05:53:04 PM

what_now: I had a professor in my east coast liberal elitist university who was a hard core conservative. Named as an Ambassador under Ronald Reagan, a big wig in the GOP's intellectual elite (this was in the 90s, when such a thing existed*).

He used to sharpen his teeth on teenage liberals. You want to defend Clinton's* policies to him, you needed to come with a good argument. I watched this guy tear into people who couldn't defend his argument.

One of my friends wrote his final paper praising Jimmy Carter and the Camp David Accords. He did some meticulous research, backed up every single one of his arguments with citations and facts- and this was long before Wikipedia*.

He got an A+ on that paper. The professor read part of it out loud to the class, praising his research and his arguments, and then said it was one of the most infuriating things he had ever written.

You want that guy to teach college courses? Great. Give me a dozen of them. But I have a feeling that's not what Santorum means.


*adjusts onion


Nope, and neither do the people who would vote for him. Are there bad professors who lean to the left? Sure, there are bad teachers just like there are bad engineers and bad doctors who still wish they could vote for Ross Perot. Twits like Santorum just don't seem to understand that post-secondary education is(in part) about expanding your horizons and exploring new lines of thinking and research, something your old prof obviously understood. Of Rick is probably the sort of idiot who would propose standardized testing for universities to make sure students learned the "right" version of how the world works.
 
2012-02-19 05:53:32 PM

Craptastic: steverockson: So Rick Santorum want to appoint a...shall we say... "Czar" to make sure we have enough conservative professors. That might just work!

/How far has the party of Lincoln fallen? Seriously, this numbnut has a chance to win the GOP primary.

I might just vote for the guy in the primary. Just for the lulz. You know....a chaotic vote. That's OK, I hear.


You can if you want, but don't think for a second that the sonofabiatch can't win in November. He absolutely can; With Fox news and the super-PACs it's entirely possible, All it takes is a double dip recession, or some kind of foreign policy event and its not just possible, but likely
 
2012-02-19 05:54:07 PM

IronTom: I'm sure most teachers do love America, conservative or not. The ultra-leftist ones sort of seem to like other things more. Have no citations.


I confess, I was taught that loving your country right or wrong was nationalism and that nationalism and that is a bad thing. Of course, I was taught that in a private religious school but also in the boy scouts. Meanwhile, there are things I really do love about my country, others, not so much.
 
2012-02-19 05:54:48 PM
No one expects the Santorum Inquisition!
 
2012-02-19 05:56:56 PM
fark you, you jingoistic S.O.B.

I had more "Conservative" professors than I care to remember. They were all assholes, bent on taking over the campus College Republicans for their own gain. They were assholes in the classroom and assholes in their personal lives. The so-called "liberals" never did such a thing, they, ya know, TAUGHT shiat, as well as being cool people.


Go fark yourself you farking crusading fark.
 
2012-02-19 05:57:58 PM
That makes sense. Next up: a federal commissar to ensure enough of the generals in the Army are pacifists, and another one to ensure enough of the CEOs hired by corporations are socialists.
 
2012-02-19 06:01:16 PM
heh keep farking that chicken Rick. I thought you messed up real good last week when you said "no one but Catholics are real Christians" but the media let it slide with little coverage.
maybe they'll pay more attention to this derp.
 
2012-02-19 06:01:24 PM
You know, the more these threads pop up, the more I think there needs to be a third "Sad, but True" button that we can click...
 
2012-02-19 06:01:41 PM
Maybe college professors tend to be liberals because liberals are just more dedicated to seeking knowledge.

Same goes for journalists. I hear Republicans biatch about the way journalists vote all the time. What's the solution? An affirmative action program to give a specified number of these jobs to right wingers who are potentially less qualified to do the work?

Venture capitalists and hedge fund managers tend to be conservative. Maybe we need an affirmative action program to get more liberals into the jobs, huh Rick?
 
2012-02-19 06:07:20 PM
When you think about it some, the conservative fear is that damned liberals have taken over universities and are indoctrinating the young. While your first reaction is likely that any liberal bias is actually the result of open thinking, and the exploration of of new ideas, which are themselves liberal qualities, consider the young conservative. They very often are victims of some brand of hero worship and indoctrination.

Further, if you look at liberals that likewise fall in for hero worship or zealously follow fads, these are the same type of folks the conservatives could be getting if they had stronger representation on campuses. In essence, the conservatives are right that they would benefit from having more access to people with that sort of character defect that bends them to authority-following behavior.

The thing you really want in a university is to get people to think for themselves, or at lest the ones smart enough to deserve to be in a university. What could be more effective at getting students to reject the polemics of their professors than to have a segment of professors required to have certain political opinions?
 
2012-02-19 06:08:54 PM

dforkus: Craptastic: steverockson: So Rick Santorum want to appoint a...shall we say... "Czar" to make sure we have enough conservative professors. That might just work!

/How far has the party of Lincoln fallen? Seriously, this numbnut has a chance to win the GOP primary.

I might just vote for the guy in the primary. Just for the lulz. You know....a chaotic vote. That's OK, I hear.

You can if you want, but don't think for a second that the sonofabiatch can't win in November. He absolutely can; With Fox news and the super-PACs it's entirely possible, All it takes is a double dip recession, or some kind of foreign policy event and its not just possible, but likely


No. No he can't.
 
2012-02-19 06:09:39 PM

Hobodeluxe: heh keep farking that chicken Rick. I thought you messed up real good last week when you said "no one but Catholics are real Christians" but the media let it slide with little coverage.
maybe they'll pay more attention to this derp.


Oh boy, that one will really rile his base up.
 
2012-02-19 06:16:49 PM
(1) *looks at Israeli Apartheid Week in a depressing number of Canadian Universities*

(2) *looks at the idea of having conservative professors in Canadian Universities*

*Looks at 1. Looks at 2. Looks at 1. Looks at 2. Looks at 1. Looks at 2. Looks at 1. Looks at 2. Looks at 1. Looks at 2...*

*goes off to look at German pron; at least then when I'm looking at 1 and 2, they're totally honest about what it is they're spewing*

/I hope that there are some professors in American universities who are still trying to teach people to think for themselves, instead of teaching them to spew absolutely idiotic crap as if it's the gospel truth
//Seems to be slowly disappearing from Canadian universities.
 
2012-02-19 06:17:48 PM

WorldCitizen: Wow. Wow. Political tests for fields of knowledge. That's something right out of the Soviet play book. So, he's now like combining an Iranian Mullah and a Soviet commissar. Both of those things are so American, you know?


Or it it could be from the the USA in the 1950s, which suggests his policies are very American, and opposing them is Unamerican...
 
2012-02-19 06:18:10 PM

AmorousRedDragon: Hobodeluxe: heh keep farking that chicken Rick. I thought you messed up real good last week when you said "no one but Catholics are real Christians" but the media let it slide with little coverage.
maybe they'll pay more attention to this derp.

Oh boy, that one will really rile his base up.


Okay I was off on that a bit. It was from a 2008 speech. And the way he said it would pass right over the heads of most of the base. And Romney can't really do anything with it because he's a Mormon.

the actual quote was

"We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it."


of course some of the Protestants think Catholics aren't real Christians either. But you won't see them say it on the campaign trail.
 
2012-02-19 06:18:57 PM

Virtual Pariah: The man's a damn idiot.

Can't we get back the intelligent conservatives who understood what their beliefs were and had the ability to have rational discourse to support their points?


Can you actually remember a time when this was? I mean they had to "go hunting where the ducks were" for the racist vote in the 60s because their economics were idiocy and in doing so kicked out the last remenant of pro-civil rights northern republicans, which were the only thing the party had going for it at the time.
 
2012-02-19 06:19:43 PM

Weaver95:
incidentally, i've noticed that a LOT of GOP shills and True Believers get very upset when someone dares to discuss what it is Santorum wants to do to this country. they get REALLY upset when you use actual quotes from his speeches too. its like...secret knowledge or something.


Every few years, there are polls that come out that show that roughly 40-45% of people think the 1st amendment goes too far. As mentioned above, a similar percentage of people believe Genesis is the literal as dictated word of God. A quarter of the population thinks that the earth is 6,000 years old.

Seven mountains dominionism is promoted throughout megachurches across this country and GOP pols reference and endorse David Barton all the time. There is a large theocratic movement in this country that knows that they are not popular enough to win, but believes that they NEED to take over. Knowing that their ideas are not popular enough means that they know to dismiss or handwave any mention of their ideas. This is why the GOP is doubling down on the "it's not about birth control or slut shaming" when it's clearly about birth control and slut shaming.

If you want to spot the theocrat in the room, look for the person screaming loudest about sharia. That person is mostly just worried that he may be beaten to the punch. And then....well, beaten.

And Santorum in fact has a section of his stump speech where he talks about how the theocrats in Iran (and he mentions that word specifically without a hint of irony) will get us through Mexico with the help of Venezuela and Cuba. If he's still in the race by April, he'll weave Best Korea in there somehow too, I'm sure.
 
2012-02-19 06:20:14 PM

Techhell: /I hope that there are some professors in American universities who are still trying to teach people to think for themselves, instead of teaching them to spew absolutely idiotic crap as if it's the gospel truth
//Seems to be slowly disappearing from Canadian universities.


Socratic method.
 
2012-02-19 06:20:29 PM
There's an easy way to get him to back away from the statement. Just use the words 'Affirmative Action'.
 
2012-02-19 06:22:18 PM

Craptastic: IronTom: LectertheChef: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

10/10, That's some spiffy trolling you did there.

more like dipping your hand in the water and having piranhas bite it.

If you knew that there were piranha in the water, you'd only dip your hand in expecting to get bites.

Therefore, troll.
Therefore, plonk.

I don't mind having discussions with rightwingers, in fact I sometimes enjoy it. But you just outed yourself as a troll, so you get no attention from me. I'd encourage others to follow suit. The guy just admitted to trolling.


Yeah, whatever, you are calling me names. I'm just talking. You go right ahead. Putting a hand in the water is contributing to the discussion, not looking for bites at all.
 
2012-02-19 06:22:55 PM

Hobodeluxe: "no one but Catholics are real Christians"


You don't happen to have a link to an article about that do you?
 
2012-02-19 06:23:07 PM

Doc Lee: IronTom: I'm sure most teachers do love America, conservative or not. The ultra-leftist ones sort of seem to like other things more. Have no citations.

Conservatives hate America and hate Americans. Not a day goes by that the conservatives don't wish and pray for an American city to be nuked. It's a major part of their policy platform. Not a day goes by where conservatives don't wish that all centrists (or what you call "ultra-leftists" in your infinite ignorance) in the US were rounded up and executed. Not a day goes by where conservatives don't wish that centrists were stripped of their voting rights.

Conservatives are vile, disgusting, anti-Americans.


I bet you really believe that too.
 
2012-02-19 06:24:05 PM
I only teach liberal algebra at college. Take a look at my last exam:

If two trains leave the station at the same time, but traveling different directions, how many abortions must one have to pass this class?
 
2012-02-19 06:25:05 PM

Hobodeluxe: of course some of the Protestants think Catholics aren't real Christians either. But you won't see them say it on the campaign trail.


Never mind, now that I see the quote, I see it's something I came across yesterday.
 
2012-02-19 06:27:22 PM

AngryTeacher: I only teach liberal algebra at college. Take a look at my last exam:

If two trains leave the station at the same time, but traveling different directions, how many abortions must one have to pass this class?


Goddamn liberal Math teachers. I bet you're in league with the motherfarking Chemistry liberals too.

/Joking.
//This is what retards like Santorum actually believe.
 
2012-02-19 06:27:48 PM
Hey, college conservatives and those who work with them. This is what you think you are:

upload.wikimedia.org

This is how stupid you look:
4.bp.blogspot.com

And how stupid you sound:
Link (new window)
 
2012-02-19 06:29:52 PM

Hobodeluxe: AmorousRedDragon: Hobodeluxe:
Okay I was off on that a bit. It was from a 2008 speech. And the way he said it would pass right over the heads of most of the base. And Romney can't really do anything with it because he's a Mormon.

the actual quote was

"We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it."

of course some of the Protestants think Catholics aren't real Christians either. But you won't see them say it on the campaign trail.

FTFJ

Don't drag us into your cesspit, especially when you're lying about the Founding, you cock.
 
2012-02-19 06:30:04 PM

wademh: wademh:

When you think about it some, the conservative fear is that damned liberals have taken over universities and are indoctrinating the young. While your first reaction is likely that any liberal bias is actually the result of open thinking, and the exploration of of new ideas, which are themselves liberal qualities, consider the young conservative. They very often are victims of some brand of hero worship and indoctrination.

Further, if you look at liberals that likewise fall in for hero worship or zealously follow fads, these are the same type of folks the conservatives could be getting if they had stronger representation on campuses. In essence, the conservatives are right that they would benefit from having more access to people with that sort of character defect that bends them to authority-following behavior.

The thing you really want in a university is to get people to think for themselves, or at lest the ones smart enough to deserve to be in a university. What could be more effective at getting students to reject the polemics of their professors than to have a segment of professors required to have certain political opinions?


The dearth of conservative professors in the social sciences and humanities has nothing to do with "hero worship" any more than does the dearth of liberal professors in business schools.

Conservatives don't get more representation on campuses because they tend to be more anti-intellectual than liberals. Take that as you may, it is the fact of the matter.

wademh: The thing you really want in a university is to get people to think for themselves,


That may be what you want, but it is neither what a university is designed to do, nor what it actually does.

wademh: What could be more effective at getting students to reject the polemics of their professors than to have a segment of professors required to have certain political opinions?


Why have specialists and experts at all at this rate? That's beside the point that you then merely ensure that your prospective faculty would lie in the interview to get the job. Would there be periodic checks for ideological purity? On what basis? Who would conduct such checks?

Academia has always been more oriented toward liberal philosophy, and no ham-fisted big government approach is going to change that. All it would guarantee is the death of the university system.

When you think about it some

You need to think about it some more because what you are proposing makes no sense.
 
2012-02-19 06:30:52 PM

IronTom: Craptastic: IronTom: LectertheChef: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

10/10, That's some spiffy trolling you did there.

more like dipping your hand in the water and having piranhas bite it.

If you knew that there were piranha in the water, you'd only dip your hand in expecting to get bites.

Therefore, troll.
Therefore, plonk.

I don't mind having discussions with rightwingers, in fact I sometimes enjoy it. But you just outed yourself as a troll, so you get no attention from me. I'd encourage others to follow suit. The guy just admitted to trolling.

Yeah, whatever, you are calling me names. I'm just talking. You go right ahead. Putting a hand in the water is contributing to the discussion, not looking for bites at all.


Hey, I totally understand where you're coming from. You're just asking questions, man.

www.mediaite.com
 
2012-02-19 06:30:58 PM

TDBoedy: /can't believe the utter shiat pile of candidates that I have to choose from this time.


This time? Last time it was Romney, Santorum with a guitar and a less pissy disposition, and John McCain.
 
2012-02-19 06:31:43 PM

I Browse: As a point of reference...

What a conservative professor might look like:

[www.movieactors.com image 266x198]


i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-19 06:31:47 PM

IronTom: I bet you really believe that too.


One only needs to go to the official conservative media website FoxNews.com to see it every single day. The radical anti-Americanism from the conservatives is sickening and disgusting.
 
2012-02-19 06:34:22 PM
Yeah Ricky good idea. That'll shrink the government down to where it can't be drowned in the Atlantic ocean
 
2012-02-19 06:34:33 PM

GAT_00: That sounds like a gigantic government interference into personal lives. How very Republican.


Of course it is. That's why they're called "social conservatives." Where here have you been for the past twenty years?

"We're the new liberals of the Republican party. Can you imagine that?" -- Barry Goldwater to Bob Dole, 1994

"When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye." -- Barry Goldwater, 1994

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." -- Barry Goldwater, 2006
 
2012-02-19 06:34:55 PM

gimmegimme: Hey, college conservatives and those who work with them. This is what you think you are:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x197]

This is how stupid you look:
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 375x317]

And how stupid you sound:
Link (new window)


T-Pain just watched that video and said "dial back the autotune, lady".

/And Molotov Mitchell really has no idea of meter
 
2012-02-19 06:36:07 PM

sendtodave: GAT_00: That sounds like a gigantic government interference into personal lives. How very Republican.

Of course it is. That's why they're called "social conservatives." Where here have you been for the past twenty years?

"We're the new liberals of the Republican party. Can you imagine that?" -- Barry Goldwater to Bob Dole, 1994

"When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye." -- Barry Goldwater, 1994

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." -- Barry Goldwater, 2006


i276.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-19 06:37:17 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Hobodeluxe: AmorousRedDragon: Hobodeluxe:
Okay I was off on that a bit. It was from a 2008 speech. And the way he said it would pass right over the heads of most of the base. And Romney can't really do anything with it because he's a Mormon.

the actual quote was

"We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it."

of course some of the Protestants think Catholics aren't real Christians either. But you won't see them say it on the campaign trail. FTFJ

Don't drag us into your cesspit, especially when you're lying about the Founding, you cock.


/Not directed at Hobodeluxe. Sorry.
//Cesspit of Santorum. I want to everybody to stay out of it, not just Jews.
 
2012-02-19 06:37:47 PM
The reason most professors aren't conservative is because most people with quaternary degrees aren't conservative (excluding MBAs).


This is essentially affirmative action for dumb people.
 
2012-02-19 06:37:52 PM
The Republican version of how to make government smaller.

1. Cut education. Result the uneducated can't be employed and starve and die.
2. Ramp up defense spending and start lots of costly wars. More people die.
3. Cut out all medicare and medicaid. Result more death and despair.
4. Gut Social Security. After all grandma and grandpa are close to death anyway after we took the medicare away.
5. Tax the poor to pay for the wars until they can't even afford food and decent shelter. DEATH DEATH DEATH.
6. Allow speculators to pump the price of Gasoline and heating fuel to outrageous prices. More people die.
7. Close the FDA and EPA after all the free market can decide who's products kill the least amount of people.

Now that all those people have died we can make government smaller because there are
less people to serve. TADA small government.
 
2012-02-19 06:38:15 PM

gimmegimme: And how stupid you sound:


Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.
 
2012-02-19 06:38:23 PM

AngryTeacher: I only teach liberal algebra at college. Take a look at my last exam:

If two trains leave the station at the same time, but traveling different directions, how many abortions must one have to pass this class?


Oh please, you know liberal algebra has no tests, as liberals don't believe in testing. We just give grades based on skin color, sexual orientation, and political leanings. All conservatives get Fs and all black gay native american liberals get A++++++'s.
 
2012-02-19 06:40:46 PM

AngryTeacher: I only teach liberal algebra at college. Take a look at my last exam:

If two trains leave the station at the same time, but traveling different directions, how many abortions must one have to pass this class?


A: x ≠ 0

Q: How many free riders are on the trains?
A: ∞.
 
2012-02-19 06:41:47 PM

gimmegimme: IronTom: Craptastic: IronTom: LectertheChef: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

10/10, That's some spiffy trolling you did there.

more like dipping your hand in the water and having piranhas bite it.

If you knew that there were piranha in the water, you'd only dip your hand in expecting to get bites.

Therefore, troll.
Therefore, plonk.

I don't mind having discussions with rightwingers, in fact I sometimes enjoy it. But you just outed yourself as a troll, so you get no attention from me. I'd encourage others to follow suit. The guy just admitted to trolling.

Yeah, whatever, you are calling me names. I'm just talking. You go right ahead. Putting a hand in the water is contributing to the discussion, not looking for bites at all.

Hey, I totally understand where you're coming from. You're just asking questions, man.

[www.mediaite.com image 336x187]


been a while since I have seen that episode, but the first letters of the right column of words spells "smurfs", was that part of the bit?
 
2012-02-19 06:42:30 PM
i.imgur.com

Savor the sight of of people loving, these sights will be against the law since "the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex" thinks it's offensive.
 
2012-02-19 06:44:52 PM

ultraholland: Remember, 40% of your fellow citizens believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis. We're a pack of idiots.


They claim to literally believe. No one, Jewish or Christian, literally believes there are actual swinging gates in Heaven that open up to dump floodwaters on people--they all know about the water cycle. Every Christian uses the New Testament as a lens to read backwards into the Tanakh. Its not a literal reading. They claim it is, but its clearly an unsupportable claim.
 
2012-02-19 06:45:26 PM

Dialectic: [i.imgur.com image 640x353]

Savor the sight of of people loving, these sights will be against the law since "the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex" thinks it's offensive.


Don't worry, cute lesbians will still be able to make porn.

Ugly lesbians... well, who cares about ugly lesbians?
 
2012-02-19 06:45:54 PM

Dialectic: [i.imgur.com image 640x353]

Savor the sight of of people loving, these sights will be against the law since "the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex" thinks it's offensive.




There's always something wonderful about seeing lesbians with AIDS ribbons, as they're the only segment of the population virtually unaffected by AIDS.

It's the definition of altruism.
 
2012-02-19 06:46:11 PM
Santorum is a fiscal socialist and Newt quitting now will be a disaster. Santorum is part of the Rove Establishment and entered the race in order to be Mitt's VP. He would have quit after SC or FL but for the unexpected victory of Newt in SC. Now it looks like he has to pretend that he is against Mitt and will be the VP nominee only as a result of a brokered convention.

this is what freepers actually believe
 
2012-02-19 06:47:06 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: //Cesspit of Santorum.


I'm pretty sure a plumber will charge extra to fix that mess!
 
2012-02-19 06:50:36 PM
This doesn't seem very small-government of him.

Maybe he should just start urging conservatives to attach magnetic bombs to liberal professor's cars.

It would be much more fiscally-responsible.
 
2012-02-19 06:51:56 PM

saintstryfe: AngryTeacher: I only teach liberal algebra at college. Take a look at my last exam:

If two trains leave the station at the same time, but traveling different directions, how many abortions must one have to pass this class?

Oh please, you know liberal algebra has no tests, as liberals don't believe in testing. We just give grades based on skin color, sexual orientation, and political leanings. All conservatives get Fs and all black gay native american liberals get A++++++'s.


www.teufelaffe.com
"I'm sorry, but naked, fat, black, crippled dykes are hard to come by!"
 
2012-02-19 06:52:30 PM

culebra: wademh: wademh:

When you think about it some, the conservative fear is that damned liberals have taken over universities and are indoctrinating the young. While your first reaction is likely that any liberal bias is actually the result of open thinking, and the exploration of of new ideas, which are themselves liberal qualities, consider the young conservative. They very often are victims of some brand of hero worship and indoctrination.

Further, if you look at liberals that likewise fall in for hero worship or zealously follow fads, these are the same type of folks the conservatives could be getting if they had stronger representation on campuses. In essence, the conservatives are right that they would benefit from having more access to people with that sort of character defect that bends them to authority-following behavior.

The thing you really want in a university is to get people to think for themselves, or at lest the ones smart enough to deserve to be in a university. What could be more effective at getting students to reject the polemics of their professors than to have a segment of professors required to have certain political opinions?

culebra:
The dearth of conservative professors in the social sciences and humanities has nothing to do with "hero worship" any more than does the dearth of liberal professors in business schools.


You don't read so good. I did not attribute the dearth of conservative professors to hero worship.


culebra:
Conservatives don't get more representation on campuses because they tend to be more anti-intellectual than liberals. Take that as you may, it is the fact of the matter.


Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.
And some of your really flighty bubbleheads are very liberal and non-antiintellectual. Look at homeopaths, militant vegans, crystal power affectionados. More types of people reject science than creationists.

No, The bias towards liberal versus conservative in univerisities is not at all due to anti-intellectualism. Social mobility is far more the key.


wademh: The thing you really want in a university is to get people to think for themselves,

culebra:
That may be what you want, but it is neither what a university is designed to do, nor what it actually does.


Really depends on the university I guess. And I think the trend has shifted away from independence of thought (which is really conservative values breaking into universities) but three decades ago it was true enough. If you really want to find a defining difference between liberal and conservative thought, liberal thought promotes independent thinking, conservationism does not.
 
2012-02-19 06:52:48 PM

sparkeyjames: The Republican version of how to make government smaller.

1. Cut education. Result the uneducated can't be employed and starve and die.
2. Ramp up defense spending and start lots of costly wars. More people die.
3. Cut out all medicare and medicaid. Result more death and despair.
4. Gut Social Security. After all grandma and grandpa are close to death anyway after we took the medicare away.
5. Tax the poor to pay for the wars until they can't even afford food and decent shelter. DEATH DEATH DEATH.
6. Allow speculators to pump the price of Gasoline and heating fuel to outrageous prices. More people die.
7. Close the FDA and EPA after all the free market can decide who's products kill the least amount of people.

Now that all those people have died we can make government smaller because there are
less people to serve. TADA small government.


all while claiming to be pro-life. they aren't pro-life at all. they're pro-fetus. and only because it's contrary to "liberal" ideology
 
2012-02-19 06:53:00 PM

sendtodave: Dialectic: [i.imgur.com image 640x353]

Savor the sight of of people loving, these sights will be against the law since "the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex" thinks it's offensive.

Don't worry, cute lesbians will still be able to make porn.

Ugly lesbians... well, who cares about ugly lesbians?


Santorum thinks non-reproductive, extra-marital sex should be outlawed. Do you really think he'd let porn (legally) exist?
 
2012-02-19 06:55:30 PM

Bungles: There's always something wonderful about seeing lesbians with AIDS ribbons, as they're the only segment of the population virtually unaffected by AIDS.


Not only HIV - but pretty much any sexual transmitted disease. Of course - it takes until at least the 9th date for two lesbians to negotiate having sex. Whereas us gay men negotiate the first date after we fark each other.

/saves time
 
2012-02-19 06:56:11 PM
Yep, there are lots of liberals in academia. There are lots of conservatives, too. There are even more who aren't aligned in either direction, prefering to think and decide for themselves. Not sure about all colleges, but those that I know of through experience all have as their goal to teach students to think for themselves.
 
2012-02-19 06:56:55 PM

theorellior: gimmegimme: And how stupid you sound:

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.


My favorite verse is from Constitution Kate, who would be cute if she weren't a fascist.

I love that she complains about the country being stuck in Iraq, even though that was done by her heroes, and then tells us she's "sick of smelling like a mosque after Ramadan." She truly has a beautiful soul.
 
2012-02-19 06:58:27 PM
"Mr. Santorum! The Obama Administration sent more paint!"

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-02-19 06:59:34 PM

Ed Finnerty: "Mr. Santorum! The Obama Administration sent more paint!"

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x265]


Seriously. What the hell does Santorum think he can tell the real media if he wins the nomination? "I was only kidding? Baby, baby, I was...only kidding?"
 
2012-02-19 07:01:11 PM

LordJiro:
Santorum thinks non-reproductive, extra-marital sex should be outlawed. Do you really think he'd let porn (legally) exist?


Of course not. Why should he? Being black market is part of what makes porn fun!

'Cause it's a sin.
 
2012-02-19 07:03:33 PM
That is one thing you might've noticed I don't complain about: Politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. But where do the people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities. and they're elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do, folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out! If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, if you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you are gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders. The term limits ain't gonna do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So maybe, maybe, maybe it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here. Like... the public. Yeah. The public sucks! There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: "The public sucks, fark hope!" fark hope.
 
2012-02-19 07:03:49 PM
Too really mess with Santorum someone should point out that generally muslims are more conservative that other immigrants so we should make it a priority to help as many arabs immigrate as possible so as to offset the number of latino votes democrats are getting. And then have a camera ready to capture the facial expression.
 
2012-02-19 07:03:49 PM
Have I mentioned that rightists are inherently authoritarian lately?

Because rightists are inherently authoritarian.
 
2012-02-19 07:08:09 PM

Ed Finnerty: "Mr. Santorum! The Obama Administration sent more paint!"

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x265]


This is too much Santorum.
 
2012-02-19 07:08:20 PM
I have this really neat narrative in my head where Ibram Gaunt somehow ends up in our world with functioning Imperial might in orbit. Would we be found wanting?
 
2012-02-19 07:08:44 PM
Is this the new Rick tRoll...

/Need someone poetic to rewrite the lyrics to fit
 
2012-02-19 07:10:03 PM

ActionJoe: How can even the craziest republicans support this?

This would increase government control over the people.
It would take away from states's rights to oversee how their public schools are run.

It's like the crazies completely forget about what they stand for when it comes to an issue that they want to happen no matter what.


And it really went off the deep end back in Nov 2008. I wonder what event could be correlated with the right wing loosing their collective mind?
 
2012-02-19 07:10:18 PM

wademh: You don't read so good.


That you write even worse doesn't help things much. This thread is about the ostensible lack of conservative professors and has nothing to do with any notion of hero worship. It simply doesn't belong in the conversation.

wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.


You say chicken, I say egg. We could argue this back and forth all day, but the truth of American conservatism and the anti-intellectualism it fosters remains.

wademh: And some of your really flighty bubbleheads are very liberal and non-antiintellectual. Look at homeopaths, militant vegans, crystal power affectionados.


And most of these people defy political classification. They're crazy, not liberal. It can be proven statistically that liberals seek out and complete courses of higher education more often. This isn't the case with a statement like the one above. That's your own unverifiable opinion.

wademh: Really depends on the university I guess.


How many university mission statements read: "...to create people capable of thinking for themselves."? Let's not conflate this with the development of critical thinking skills, which is actually a byproduct of a process of specialization, and which most post-secondary courses strive to promote.

Anyhow. Judging by your vague understanding of secondary education, horrific spelling, and disjointed reasoning, I'd guess you're a bored undergrad with some ax or another to grind. Get back to work. I have articles to compose.
 
2012-02-19 07:10:48 PM

gimmegimme: Ed Finnerty: "Mr. Santorum! The Obama Administration sent more paint!"

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x265]

Seriously. What the hell does Santorum think he can tell the real media if he wins the nomination? "I was only kidding? Baby, baby, I was...only kidding?"


"I'm an entertainer!"
 
2012-02-19 07:12:42 PM
Have you guys ever considered that maybe Americans deserve Santorum, huh?
 
2012-02-19 07:14:08 PM

Gergesa: Too really mess with Santorum someone should point out that generally muslims are more conservative that other immigrants so we should make it a priority to help as many arabs immigrate as possible so as to offset the number of latino votes democrats are getting. And then have a camera ready to capture the facial expression.


The funny thing is the Latino community is largely conservative (by rational standards). They are hard working, family oriented, almost all of them are religious, and they typically live within their financial means no matter how meager. If the GOP wasn't such a bunch of bigoted jackasses the Latino voter block would be theirs.
 
2012-02-19 07:14:32 PM

James F. Campbell: Have you guys ever considered that maybe Americans deserve Santorum, huh?


Do elaborate, please.
 
2012-02-19 07:15:06 PM

James F. Campbell: Have you guys ever considered that maybe Americans deserve Santorum, huh?


Around 28% of Americans deserve Santorum. Maybe around 2/3rds if you (reasonably) include non-voters.
 
2012-02-19 07:15:33 PM

Sandelaphon: gimmegimme: Ed Finnerty: "Mr. Santorum! The Obama Administration sent more paint!"

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x265]

Seriously. What the hell does Santorum think he can tell the real media if he wins the nomination? "I was only kidding? Baby, baby, I was...only kidding?"

"I'm an entertainer!"


"I was misquoted!"
 
2012-02-19 07:17:03 PM

Weaver95: bobbette: I find myself concerned that someone espousing far-right religious totalitarianism is actually the frontrunner for the Republican nomination at present. I'm not even exaggerating, Rick Santorum is literally running on that now. This is bad.

allow me to nit pick - I have no problem with a dominioninst theocrat openly running for office. that's the sort of thing that can and should happen in a democracy.

what's scary is that people are VOTING FOR HIM and giving him money. that's the sort of pants on head stupidity that I cannot fathom. Santorum has a right to run on a platform of bed wetting fear mongering vile spewing hatred. But in a society of sane and rational people he'd fail to get elected to dog catcher, let alone get a shot at the GOP nomination for President. that's the bit I don't understand...how someone could look at Santorum's views, hear his words, read what he's written...and somehow think that it's a great idea to put this man in office.


It's not that they like Santorum...it's that they hate the scary Negro even more
 
2012-02-19 07:20:40 PM

ActionJoe: It would take away from states's rights to oversee how their public schools are run.


Governor Christie has envisioned something similar in New Jersey. Publically he's had ads run for "Keeping politics out of our schools", but in his speech to the Koch fundraiser, he said:

"We need to take on the teachers' union once and for all, and we need to decide who is determining our children's future, who is running this place. Them or us? I say it's us,"
 
2012-02-19 07:21:05 PM

GAT_00: That sounds like a gigantic government interference into personal lives. How very Republican.



You know outside of gun threads, I am starting to agree with you more and more.
 
2012-02-19 07:22:40 PM

bizzwire: It's not that they like Santorum...it's that they hate the scary Negro even more


Not to mention the Mormon guy. I think the main thing that many conservatives find wrong with 1984 is that those poor people only got 2 minutes a day to hate when they could have 1,440.
 
2012-02-19 07:24:07 PM

culebra: Do elaborate, please.


Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?
 
2012-02-19 07:26:01 PM

culebra:
Anyhow. Judging by your vague understanding of secondary education, horrific spelling, and disjointed reasoning, I'd guess you're a bored undergrad with some ax or another to grind. Get back to work. I have articles to compose.


Chuckles, I probably had my extra letters when you were in diapers child. Tell me, is your opinion of universities based on the one you are currently at or have you done time throughout Europe? Please contrast the German and English systems for me and feel free to discuss the variations seen between the ETH and Geneva. We must continue to thank the French. For the US, please discuss the changes pre and post WWII and which schools did and didn't readily ally themselves with McCarthism and why.

You've read a few books (too few) and have some parochial experience that matches your preconceptions. You've not factored in social mobility and other external factors into the equation. There is an element of bias towards progressive thinking in many universities but it is in balance with many other factors. Ascribing the majority of that bias toward intellectualism would, sensu your assertion, suggest you were conservative.
 
2012-02-19 07:26:43 PM

James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?


The scariest thing I can think of. Gingrich I figured was playing to the derp, considering he was really sounding sensible until he declared. Santorum though is a true believer in the power of government to control every aspect of your life. He might be enough to make me vote for Obama. Rick Santorum is an evil man.
 
2012-02-19 07:29:14 PM

James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?


Only if Jesusland becomes a reality. The rest of America is shaking its head at this nonsense.
 
2012-02-19 07:29:56 PM

wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.


Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ (new window)
 
2012-02-19 07:30:21 PM

James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?


No, its proof that a minority of Americans are pants-on-head-creationist-bat-shiat-insane.
 
2012-02-19 07:31:40 PM

Flappyhead: James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?

Only if Jesusland becomes a reality. The rest of America is shaking its head at this nonsense.


I hope Santorum wins the nomination. It will be hilarious.

I also hope he wins the general election, because I'm going to really enjoy all the schadenfreude from watching my fellow Americans suffer. I just need to ensure I've got a safe place to watch the hilarity from.
 
2012-02-19 07:32:19 PM
The words "Conservative" and "Liberal" become more and more meaningless every day, and the political discourse incorporates both more and more.

I don't even know what the fark I'm supposed to think anymore when someone uses them.

They get bandied about as pejoratives and badges of honor, but no one seems too inclined to clarify just what the fark they mean.

Kind of seems like we're just being manipulated into uniting against bogeymen of fuzzy composition.
 
2012-02-19 07:32:46 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: With every passing day he says something more pants-shiattingly crazy and gets away with it.

By the time the RNC comes around he'll be bleating about how purity can only be assured by installing monitor chips in the brains of people who enjoy Jack Donaghy ironically and demanding that tampons be sold only by prescription, followed by his campaign promise to change the $10 bill to a photo of Reagan and Jesus double-teaming a crying Janeane Garofalo.


Yeah, but, without protection.... they can only be doing that to try to get Garafalo pregnant with zombie Reagans baby.
 
2012-02-19 07:35:12 PM
How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?
 
2012-02-19 07:35:17 PM

James F. Campbell: wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.

Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ (new window)


Ah that was good read.

Here is another interesting article (new window).
 
2012-02-19 07:38:24 PM

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?


Quite a few but still a minority. Conservatism and tardism are not mutually inclusive. Imagine a venn diagram where the circles nearly overlap.
 
2012-02-19 07:39:02 PM

rynthetyn: I go to a law school where the right-wing Federalist Society is the largest and most powerful student group on campus by orders of magnitude, where it's like pulling teeth to get anyone to show up at any meetings of more liberal student groups, where the Christian Legal Society has about twice as many active members as OUTLaw, etc, and yet the president of the Federalist Society is convinced it's really hard to be a conservative Christian on campus because sometimes people disagree with him.

If that's the kind of persecution complex that is governing this idea that universities need to be forced to hire more conservative professors, we're going to wind up with some kind of McCarthyesqe blacklist and professors getting dragged before congress to prove that they aren't too liberal.


Which is exactly what these people want. Remember, their predecessors were the ones cheering McCarthy; it took one of the most trusted men in US news media to take McCarthy down, and the Reactionaries have spent decades brow-beating television corporations to make damn sure that will never happen again.
 
2012-02-19 07:40:45 PM

Flappyhead: James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?

Only if Jesusland becomes a reality. The rest of America is shaking its head at this nonsense.


I don't know to many people here in Southern Illinois who are pro Santorum. Most Chrstians I know think he is a radical asshole who is no more worthy of the office than anyone else.
 
2012-02-19 07:40:59 PM

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?


How many universities like Liberty and Oral Roberts are there? Since, those are the ones where they'd have to work I think.

Although, there is the flip side to his proposal.... I would assume Liberty University, Oral Roberts, etc, are the "Fox News" of universities..... so, with this law, wouldn't they have to bring on a whole bunch of "Liberal" professors that they currently don't have?
 
2012-02-19 07:41:49 PM

blorpenster: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?

Quite a few but still a minority. Conservatism and tardism are not mutually inclusive. Imagine a venn diagram where the circles nearly overlap.


So, basically you're talking about people from a noticeably thin crescent-shape, that about right?
 
2012-02-19 07:43:23 PM

wademh: culebra:
You've not factored in social mobility and other external factors into the equation.


Hey, we're number two in social mobility!

/From the bottom.
//Only the UK has less.
 
2012-02-19 07:43:42 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: Flappyhead: James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?

Only if Jesusland becomes a reality. The rest of America is shaking its head at this nonsense.

I don't know to many people here in Southern Illinois who are pro Santorum. Most Chrstians I know think he is a radical asshole who is no more worthy of the office than anyone else.


Maybe you don't know the "right" ones.... since I'd imagine southern Illinois is of similar demographics to the places in Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, etc, that gave Santorum his wins.
 
2012-02-19 07:44:14 PM

blorpenster: James F. Campbell: wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.

Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ (new window)

Ah that was good read.

Here is another interesting article (new window).


Yet if you have enough brains, you'll avoid bringing that out too often as you'll have recognized that many people can't effectively comprehend that bias in a distribution of a population is a poor method for dealing with individuals. Moreover, you'll be highly suspicious of results that treat intelligence as a unidimensional quality.
 
2012-02-19 07:45:14 PM

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: blorpenster: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?

Quite a few but still a minority. Conservatism and tardism are not mutually inclusive. Imagine a venn diagram where the circles nearly overlap.

So, basically you're talking about people from a noticeably thin crescent-shape, that about right?


The only sensible choice for President is Johnson and he doesn't stand a chance. But no one wants anyone that will change things in a way that might matter. The current Republican party needs to have a giant flushing. When people like myself are ready to vote Obama there is a problem.
 
2012-02-19 07:46:48 PM

dletter: globalwarmingpraiser: Flappyhead: James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?

Only if Jesusland becomes a reality. The rest of America is shaking its head at this nonsense.

I don't know to many people here in Southern Illinois who are pro Santorum. Most Chrstians I know think he is a radical asshole who is no more worthy of the office than anyone else.

Maybe you don't know the "right" ones.... since I'd imagine southern Illinois is of similar demographics to the places in Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, etc, that gave Santorum his wins.


That is possible, but Santorum is a scary individual. He would never stop because he thinks he is doing the right thing.
 
2012-02-19 07:49:52 PM

wademh: blorpenster: James F. Campbell: wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.

Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ (new window)

Ah that was good read.

Here is another interesting article (new window).

Yet if you have enough brains, you'll avoid bringing that out too often as you'll have recognized that many people can't effectively comprehend that bias in a distribution of a population is a poor method for dealing with individuals. Moreover, you'll be highly suspicious of results that treat intelligence as a unidimensional quality.


That's a good point. Like many conservatives, I'm not really a read-stuff-and-understand-it-and-use-the-information-collected-over-ti me-to-form-an-understanding-of-the-world learner. I need things shouted at me like I'm five years old. I'm also just not critical-thinking inclined. I make decisions based upon whatever Fox News tells me my gut feeling is.

It's just a different style of learning and seeing the world. They're all equal, right?
 
2012-02-19 07:51:57 PM

wademh: Yet if you have enough brains, you'll avoid bringing that out too often as you'll have recognized that many people can't effectively comprehend that bias in a distribution of a population is a poor method for dealing with individuals. Moreover, you'll be highly suspicious of results that treat intelligence as a unidimensional quality.


Populations are made up of individuals.
 
2012-02-19 07:52:47 PM

bravian: Bungles: There's always something wonderful about seeing lesbians with AIDS ribbons, as they're the only segment of the population virtually unaffected by AIDS.

Not only HIV - but pretty much any sexual transmitted disease. Of course - it takes until at least the 9th date for two lesbians to negotiate having sex. Whereas us gay men negotiate the first date after we fark each other.

/saves time


And you wonder why fundies are scared of you...

CONSEQUENCE FREE SODOMY? BURN THEM!
 
2012-02-19 07:53:06 PM
I think it's time for a mandatory IQ test for politicians
 
2012-02-19 07:55:23 PM

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: blorpenster: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?

Quite a few but still a minority. Conservatism and tardism are not mutually inclusive. Imagine a venn diagram where the circles nearly overlap.

So, basically you're talking about people from a noticeably thin crescent-shape, that about right?


Here's the other thing that nobody ever seems to mention when this comes up: even if they have the ability, conservatives don't want to teach.

Conservatives want to go out and make oodles and oodles of cash so they can build a 20-foot sign on their enormous lawn that reads, in letters made of gold and caviar, "fark you I got mine." What they do not want to do is toil their whole lives away in a boring, low-paid, unglamorous and kind of unmanly profession like teaching college.

Where is Rick Santorum going to come up with this legion of bible thumping, Rush Limbaugh listening effete intellectuals who talk like William F. Buckley and are clamoring at the gates of academia? He's not. Rick Santorum is an idiot.
 
2012-02-19 07:56:08 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: wademh: culebra:
You've not factored in social mobility and other external factors into the equation.

Hey, we're number two in social mobility!

/From the bottom.
//Only the UK has less.


Yet for most college professors today, they have a better lifestyle than their parents had. That, it turns out, is a very significant driver towards liberalism. In contrast, if you find you have trouble matching the lifestyle of your parents, this trends towards conservatism.

That's one explanation for why people with no realistic hope of becoming the very wealthy nevertheless actually show sympathy for policies that favor people far better off than themselves. They still have an emotional attachment to something better that they somehow view as a type of birthright that has been denied them by something, perhaps the convenient bugbears of "big government" or "welfare cheats".. It's a bit irrational but then so is the sense that one achieves success by ones virtue as opposed to ones luck.
 
2012-02-19 07:56:16 PM
fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net

in case you weren't doubting his sanity yet.
 
2012-02-19 07:56:39 PM
So, "equal time" to balance the Liberal Media is a bad thing now that FauxNews is a well-funded player, but Equal Seats to balance Liberal Academia is now a good thing.

I obviously need to read more Lewis Carroll.
 
2012-02-19 07:56:57 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: dletter: globalwarmingpraiser: Flappyhead: James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?

Only if Jesusland becomes a reality. The rest of America is shaking its head at this nonsense.

I don't know to many people here in Southern Illinois who are pro Santorum. Most Chrstians I know think he is a radical asshole who is no more worthy of the office than anyone else.

Maybe you don't know the "right" ones.... since I'd imagine southern Illinois is of similar demographics to the places in Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, etc, that gave Santorum his wins.

That is possible, but Santorum is a scary individual. He would never stop because he thinks he is doing the right thing.


He's like an environmentalist who burns down a forest to stop logging, he just doesn't seem to understand what he's doing wrong. Worse still, there are enough people out there who side with him to make a Presidential run a legitimate possibility. Not that he'd win, but the damage he'd do to Americas image world wide......
 
2012-02-19 07:58:22 PM

Curse of the Goth Kids: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: blorpenster: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?

Quite a few but still a minority. Conservatism and tardism are not mutually inclusive. Imagine a venn diagram where the circles nearly overlap.

So, basically you're talking about people from a noticeably thin crescent-shape, that about right?

Here's the other thing that nobody ever seems to mention when this comes up: even if they have the ability, conservatives don't want to teach.

Conservatives want to go out and make oodles and oodles of cash so they can build a 20-foot sign on their enormous lawn that reads, in letters made of gold and caviar, "fark you I got mine." What they do not want to do is toil their whole lives away in a boring, low-paid, unglamorous and kind of unmanly profession like teaching college.

Where is Rick Santorum going to come up with this legion of bible thumping, Rush Limbaugh listening effete intellectuals who talk like William F. Buckley and are clamoring at the gates of academia? He's not. Rick Santorum is an idiot.


Say WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA? Conservatives don't want to spend seven-plus years of their lives taking out student loans and earning a grad school stipend if they're lucky, all so they can grade papers for hours a day and explain the same simple concepts to snowflakes who have been taught they're awesome no matter what?
 
2012-02-19 07:58:54 PM

WhyteRaven74: [fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 532x350]

in case you weren't doubting his sanity yet.


That would make a great Halloween mask..
 
2012-02-19 07:59:18 PM

WhyteRaven74: [fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 532x350]

in case you weren't doubting his sanity yet.


Hey, don't be unfair. Didn't he say that his wife wrote that part of the book?
 
2012-02-19 08:00:05 PM

WhyteRaven74: [fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 532x350]

in case you weren't doubting his sanity yet.


please tell me that's taken out of context or that someone just made that quote up....
 
2012-02-19 08:00:30 PM

gimmegimme: Say WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA? Conservatives don't want to spend seven-plus years of their lives taking out student loans and earning a grad school stipend if they're lucky, all so they can grade papers for hours a day and explain the same simple concepts to snowflakes who have been taught they're awesome no matter what?


I know it's counterintuitive, but think about it for a minute.
 
2012-02-19 08:00:41 PM

wademh: Yet for most college professors today, they have a better lifestyle than their parents had. That, it turns out, is a very significant driver towards liberalism. In contrast, if you find you have trouble matching the lifestyle of your parents, this trends towards conservatism.


Study? Source? Link? Citation? I trust you about as far as I could throw you.
 
2012-02-19 08:01:48 PM

gimmegimme: Hey, don't be unfair. Didn't he say that his wife wrote that part of the book?


Even if she did, doesn't change that he's far from sane.
 
2012-02-19 08:02:54 PM

WhyteRaven74: gimmegimme: Hey, don't be unfair. Didn't he say that his wife wrote that part of the book?

Even if she did, doesn't change that he's far from sane.


Don't worry; I was kidding. I think it makes him look worse. Not only did he not write his own book, but he is pleased that his wife is his servant and not his partner.
 
2012-02-19 08:03:38 PM

Weaver95: please tell me that's taken out of context or that someone just made that quote up....


It's a quote right out of his book...
 
2012-02-19 08:06:24 PM

wademh: demaL-demaL-yeH: wademh: culebra:
You've not factored in social mobility and other external factors into the equation.

Hey, we're number two in social mobility!

/From the bottom.
//Only the UK has less.

Yet for most college professors today, they have a better lifestyle than their parents had. That, it turns out, is a very significant driver towards liberalism. In contrast, if you find you have trouble matching the lifestyle of your parents, this trends towards conservatism.

That's one explanation for why people with no realistic hope of becoming the very wealthy nevertheless actually show sympathy for policies that favor people far better off than themselves. They still have an emotional attachment to something better that they somehow view as a type of birthright that has been denied them by something, perhaps the convenient bugbears of "big government" or "welfare cheats".. It's a bit irrational but then so is the sense that one achieves success by ones virtue as opposed to ones luck.


That's some awful fancy phrasin' there.
How about this: The easiest way be get rich, by far, is to choose the right parents.

Over the last three decades, Republicans have pretty much eliminated the two best playing field levelers - progressive income taxation and inheritance taxes - and gutted the third - our manufacturing base and trade unions.

As for your explanation of why we've gone from a 65% middle class country in 1979 to a less than 42% middle class country today, I'd shorten it to the following: "A lot of Americans are stupid and afraid and/or just plain gullible."*

What say you?


*Barnum's Law is a real, royal bastard.
 
2012-02-19 08:07:39 PM

gimmegimme: but he is pleased that his wife is his servant and not his partner.


And just think, he has daughters. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy their dad thinks such things doesn't it?
 
2012-02-19 08:07:58 PM

gimmegimme: wademh: blorpenster: James F. Campbell: wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.

Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ (new window)

Ah that was good read.

Here is another interesting article (new window).

Yet if you have enough brains, you'll avoid bringing that out too often as you'll have recognized that many people can't effectively comprehend that bias in a distribution of a population is a poor method for dealing with individuals. Moreover, you'll be highly suspicious of results that treat intelligence as a unidimensional quality.

That's a good point. Like many conservatives, I'm not really a read-stuff-and-understand-it-and-use-the-information-collected-over-ti me-to-form-an-understanding-of-the-world learner. I need things shouted at me like I'm five years old. I'm also just not critical-thinking inclined. I make decisions based upon whatever Fox News tells me my gut feeling is.

It's just a different style of learning and seeing the world. They're all equal, right?


Where did that come from? It would be highly entertaining to see you connect the dots between what I wrote and your response but before you try to jump that canyon, you might want to doublecheck that your parachute is packed correctly.

James F. Campbell: wademh: Yet if you have enough brains, you'll avoid bringing that out too often as you'll have recognized that many people can't effectively comprehend that bias in a distribution of a population is a poor method for dealing with individuals. Moreover, you'll be highly suspicious of results that treat intelligence as a unidimensional quality.

Populations are made up of individuals.


Why yes, yes they are. But, and here's the part to try to remember, individuals are distinct even though they come from a population. So suggesting that above average intelligence produces a bias towards liberal thinking does not necessarily produce a useful diagnostic test for intelligence or political leanings of an individual. Look up Sensittivity and Specificity (new window)

And now go back and read my earlier comment about being careful in bringing out such studies as so many people don't seem to understand how to use the information, or not to use it.
 
2012-02-19 08:08:42 PM
Please please please make Santorum the nominee!
 
2012-02-19 08:12:22 PM
Well, considering there really have been instances of qualified professors being black listed for the grand crime of being a Republican and/or Conservative, something should be done, but this is too much.
 
2012-02-19 08:13:41 PM

James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?


No, but it's a nice opinion, if you're into that sort of thing. Besides, he's only winning by certain metrics. No need to make it seem really scary by using bold.

Santorum won't even win his own party's nomination.
 
2012-02-19 08:14:22 PM

wademh: So suggesting that above average intelligence produces a bias towards liberal thinking does not necessarily produce a useful diagnostic test for intelligence or political leanings of an individual.


Ah, I see what happened. You moved the goalposts. Here's what you originally said:

wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.


The only person bringing up usefulness to diagnosis of individuals is you, and frankly it has fark-all to do with your original statement.

We're not talking about individuals. We are discussing the ideologies themselves. Don't change the subject.
 
2012-02-19 08:15:47 PM

culebra: Santorum won't even win his own party's nomination.


Oh, I hope you're wrong. His nomination would keep comedy writers in business for years.
 
2012-02-19 08:18:00 PM

culebra: Santorum won't even win his own party's nomination.


We may have a brokered convention, and given how things are going, the GOP could fracture. He may just yet end up on the presidential ballot.
 
2012-02-19 08:18:57 PM

wademh: gimmegimme: wademh: blorpenster: James F. Campbell: wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.

Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ (new window)

Ah that was good read.

Here is another interesting article (new window).

Yet if you have enough brains, you'll avoid bringing that out too often as you'll have recognized that many people can't effectively comprehend that bias in a distribution of a population is a poor method for dealing with individuals. Moreover, you'll be highly suspicious of results that treat intelligence as a unidimensional quality.

That's a good point. Like many conservatives, I'm not really a read-stuff-and-understand-it-and-use-the-information-collected-over-ti me-to-form-an-understanding-of-the-world learner. I need things shouted at me like I'm five years old. I'm also just not critical-thinking inclined. I make decisions based upon whatever Fox News tells me my gut feeling is.

It's just a different style of learning and seeing the world. They're all equal, right?

Where did that come from? It would be highly entertaining to see you connect the dots between what I wrote and your response but before you try to jump that canyon, you might want to doublecheck that your parachute is packed correctly.
.


I have a personal pet peeve against the thinking that people should be excessively accommodated for the "different" kinds of intelligence they may possess. I agree that intelligence is somewhat multidimensional, but we have gone too far in forgiving people for not needing to exercise many kinds of intelligence and by changing education for "different kinds of learners." I am NOT excessively mechanically inclined, but I'm good at English class stuff. I don't expect my mechanic to be able to write the same kind of papers that I do, but he or she should be able to read. Conversely, I can change my oil, but I can't replace the Jupiter rod in my carburetor. (Boy, was that an expensive fix!)

Santorum is encouraging an alternate universe in academia in which facts fit themselves to theories instead of the other way around. This is not a different kind of intelligence or a different kind of learning. It's pants-on-headery.

//Bah, I don't want to fight with you. You seem nice and The Simpsons is on.
 
2012-02-19 08:20:55 PM

randomjsa: Well, considering there really have been instances of qualified professors being black listed for the grand crime of being a Republican and/or Conservative, something should be done, but this is too much.


They are blacklisted because they want to teach mythology in science class. Have you SEEN Expelled? You should check it out.

///You'll be fired if you start serving burritos in the toilet section at Lowe's for the same reason.
 
2012-02-19 08:21:52 PM

randomjsa: Well, considering there really have been instances of qualified professors being black listed for the grand crime of being a Republican and/or Conservative, something should be done, but this is too much.


Being deemed unqualified to teach science due to ones insistance of presenting biblical scripture as an example of the scientific method ≠ Being blacklisted for being a Republican
 
2012-02-19 08:22:41 PM

Weaver95: WhyteRaven74: [fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 532x350]

in case you weren't doubting his sanity yet.

please tell me that's taken out of context or that someone just made that quote up....


Google books says it's on page 95. (new window)
 
2012-02-19 08:24:28 PM

randomjsa: Well, considering there really have been instances of qualified professors being black listed for the grand crime of being a Republican and/or Conservative, something should be done, but this is too much.



Citations? (ones that don't involve someone doing something ludicrous)
 
2012-02-19 08:25:19 PM

WhyteRaven74: culebra: Santorum won't even win his own party's nomination.

We may have a brokered convention, and given how things are going, the GOP could fracture. He may just yet end up on the presidential ballot.


Maybe. Probably not. I think the media is pretty bored right now and floating the narratives that seem most exciting when the truth is-"Yep. Still Romney"-which is the least exciting thing in the world.

The default is a non-brokered convention, and though it would be a sight to behold, my guess is that it won't happen. Even if Santorum ends up on the ticket it isn't going to be by winning his party's nomination.

James F. Campbell: culebra: Santorum won't even win his own party's nomination.

Oh, I hope you're wrong. His nomination would keep comedy writers in business for years.


It would certainly make Obama's reelection efforts that much easier. The jokes do write themselves, too.
 
2012-02-19 08:25:19 PM
Christian sharia law in America is justified because Moochelle Ho-Hobongo is trying to poison our kids with soshulest carrots so she can hoard all the Ding-Dongs for her Gingerbread Fortress.
 
2012-02-19 08:26:17 PM

Bungles: randomjsa: Well, considering there really have been instances of qualified professors being black listed for the grand crime of being a Republican and/or Conservative, something should be done, but this is too much.


Citations? (ones that don't involve someone doing something ludicrous)


The guy on the left, for one.

blog.stackoverflow.com
 
2012-02-19 08:26:45 PM

randomjsa: Well, considering there really have been instances of qualified professors being black listed for the grand crime of being a Republican and/or Conservative, something should be done, but this is too much.


That's retarded even for you.
 
2012-02-19 08:28:50 PM

James F. Campbell: wademh: Yet for most college professors today, they have a better lifestyle than their parents had. That, it turns out, is a very significant driver towards liberalism. In contrast, if you find you have trouble matching the lifestyle of your parents, this trends towards conservatism.

Study? Source? Link? Citation? I trust you about as far as I could throw you.


Which part? The upward mobility of college professors is trivial due to the timing of the depression and the post-war boom in education. As far as social mobility, there's enough written that one can support any point one wants to make. It isn't my primary field but I'll point you towards Sobel's models. You can find many articles to suggest that both upwardly mobile and downwardly mobile tend to retain the values of their parents, broadly aligning to right leaning for downward and left leaning to upward but you can also find studies that suggest upwardly mobile people tend towards the leanings of the class they are moving into. As with many such studies, the challenge is to account for confounding co-variants which inevitably get mentioned in passing, but are dismissed when pressing a favored conclusion. I could find a study or two that echo my take on things, and then I could find a few that disagree. Realistically, I would find flaws in the methods of both sets so disagree or agree as you like but perhaps read some first.. I'll suggest it is time well spent as the trend in the US for social mobility has changed over the last 30 years and will continue to change from what is ingrained in the American psyche.
 
2012-02-19 08:29:29 PM

gimmegimme: I have a personal pet peeve against the thinking that people should be excessively accommodated for the "different" kinds of intelligence they may possess.


No, no,no he's special. He's the guy in your [insert discipline] 101 class that argues constantly with the big mean "liberal" professor, fancying himself a master of Socratic dialogue when he's actually being a contrarian nuisance.
 
2012-02-19 08:32:22 PM

culebra: "Yep. Still Romney"-which is the least exciting thing in the world.


Romney has been losing ground in a few states in the polls. And six weeks ago Santorum had pretty much zero chance of winning anything anywhere.
 
2012-02-19 08:34:39 PM

culebra: gimmegimme: I have a personal pet peeve against the thinking that people should be excessively accommodated for the "different" kinds of intelligence they may possess.

No, no,no he's special. He's the guy in your [insert discipline] 101 class that argues constantly with the big mean "liberal" professor, fancying himself a master of Socratic dialogue when he's actually being a contrarian nuisance.


Oh yeah? Well, if we evolved from monkeys, how come we still have monkeys? If this Oedipus thing is real, how come I'VE never slept with MY mother? If Shakespeare weren't gay, why did he have dudes kissing each other in his plays?

Oh, and most of all, "B" is the average grade now. If I don't get a "B", you've clearly done something wrong.
 
2012-02-19 08:35:27 PM

randomjsa: Well, considering there really have been instances of qualified professors being black listed for the grand crime of being a Republican and/or Conservative, something should be done, but this is too much.


[ Citation needed ]
 
2012-02-19 08:39:30 PM

WhyteRaven74: culebra: "Yep. Still Romney"-which is the least exciting thing in the world.

Romney has been losing ground in a few states in the polls. And six weeks ago Santorum had pretty much zero chance of winning anything anywhere.


And around that time it was Newt Gingrich that was supposed to win the nomination, according to the polls. Before that it was the other insane GOP hopeful (not that one, the other one), and before that someone else not named Romney.

Polls are nice, but they aren't predictions. They reflect current attitudes, which is why Newt was on top (bad mental image) after having some good showings. Once the primaries swing back into a part of the country where people will vote for him, Romney will start winning again and the polls will reflect it.

The social conservative wing of the GOP may be in denial about Romney's impending win, but that doesn't mean I have to be. And yeah, I could be horribly wrong. These are just my interpretations.
 
2012-02-19 08:40:47 PM

gimmegimme: wademh: gimmegimme: wademh: blorpenster:
>>

Where did that come from? It would be highly entertaining to see you connect the dots between what I wrote and your response but before you try to jump that canyon, you might want to doublecheck that your parachute is packed correctly.
.

I have a personal pet peeve against the thinking that people should be excessively accommodated for the "different" kinds of intelligence they may possess. I agree that intelligence is somewhat multidimensional, but we have gone too far in forgiving people for not needing to exercise many kinds of intelligence and by changing education for "different kinds of learners." I am NOT excessively mechanically inclined, but I'm good at English class stuff. I don't expect my mechanic to be able to write the same kind of papers that I do, but he or she should be able to read. Conversely, I can change my oil, but I can't replace the Jupiter rod in my carburetor. (Boy, was that an expensive fix!)

Santorum is encouraging an alternate universe in academia in which facts fit themselves to theories instead of the other way around. This is not a different kind of intelligence or a different kind of learning. It's pants-on-headery.

//Bah, I don't want to fight with you. You seem nice and The Simpsons is on.


So, you're against some intelligence based equivalent of "moral relativism" and perceive that I was promoting that which you are against. However, the leap from intelligence not being unidimensional to everybody's opinion is equally intelligent is gross hyperbole and unrelated to anything I actually wrote. Well, I hope you enjoyed the venting. I suggest you crack a window.
 
2012-02-19 08:40:51 PM
I'm so confused. Every time a Romney challenger gets the spotlight, it's like he deliberately farks it up with extra-strength crazy. It's a race to find the most inoffensive candidate to lose to Obama. Romney is a flip-flopping entitled millionaire who has is campaigning to reduce his own taxes, but he's not crazy! That's not what I want in a president, but I can't deny the man for trying. The best the GOP has to offer is the face of the vilified 1%.

When's Ron Paul's shot to shoot himself in the foot?

/Obama is playing chess.
//GOP is eating paste.
 
2012-02-19 08:43:47 PM

foo monkey: When's Ron Paul's shot to shoot himself in the foot?


The man has special gun-shoes, which fire inward every time he opens his mouth. Alternately, if the foot represents his hopes of winning, he's basically a footless old beggar.
 
2012-02-19 08:44:42 PM

James F. Campbell: wademh: So suggesting that above average intelligence produces a bias towards liberal thinking does not necessarily produce a useful diagnostic test for intelligence or political leanings of an individual.

Ah, I see what happened. You moved the goalposts. Here's what you originally said:

wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.

The only person bringing up usefulness to diagnosis of individuals is you, and frankly it has fark-all to do with your original statement.

We're not talking about individuals. We are discussing the ideologies themselves. Don't change the subject.


Why yes, I did. I did bring up the lack of utility of a population bias in the diagnosis of an individual and then you took issue with what I said. Seeing as I made that point ahead of your response, I didn't shift the goal posts, I planted them. Perhaps you can go back and learn what shifting the goal posts means.

Or perhaps you don't understand the nature of the word "inherently".
 
2012-02-19 08:44:55 PM

culebra: WhyteRaven74: culebra: "Yep. Still Romney"-which is the least exciting thing in the world.

Romney has been losing ground in a few states in the polls. And six weeks ago Santorum had pretty much zero chance of winning anything anywhere.

And around that time it was Newt Gingrich that was supposed to win the nomination, according to the polls. Before that it was the other insane GOP hopeful (not that one, the other one), and before that someone else not named Romney.

Polls are nice, but they aren't predictions. They reflect current attitudes, which is why Newt was on top (bad mental image) after having some good showings. Once the primaries swing back into a part of the country where people will vote for him, Romney will start winning again and the polls will reflect it.

The social conservative wing of the GOP may be in denial about Romney's impending win, but that doesn't mean I have to be. And yeah, I could be horribly wrong. These are just my interpretations.


Look. I know the GOP will come to whatever remaining senses they have and nominate Romney. But don't you dare take away my dream of seeing Obama debate Santorum.

Obama: I believe women are capable, intelligent people who should have the same opportunities as men.
Santorum: The President doesn't have his biblical theology right. Women are subservient accessories to a man's existence.

Obama: I will continue to work to make sure Iran poses no threat to the world.
Santorum: I can't wait to get Armageddon going. My opponent does not welcome the End of Days...he's just wrong for America.
 
2012-02-19 08:45:08 PM

WhyteRaven74: culebra: "Yep. Still Romney"-which is the least exciting thing in the world.

Romney has been losing ground in a few states in the polls. And six weeks ago Santorum had pretty much zero chance of winning anything anywhere.


It's a hard decision when all the candidates are equally crappy.
 
2012-02-19 08:46:39 PM
Ron Paul would be president but since he's not in the constitution, he's against it.
 
2012-02-19 08:49:51 PM
Oh, I had always assumed that he denounced socialism because he liked capitalism, I didn't realize that it was because he's an avowed communist.

//Hint: what you're advocating has a name, Santorum, and that name is "Stalinization". Wanna know how well that ended for the Motherland?
 
2012-02-19 08:51:18 PM
Someone should ask Romney and Santorum, if they are so sure the government can do nothing right, why are they trying to get elected President?
 
2012-02-19 09:00:29 PM

gimmegimme: culebra: WhyteRaven74: culebra: "Yep. Still Romney"-which is the least exciting thing in the world.

Romney has been losing ground in a few states in the polls. And six weeks ago Santorum had pretty much zero chance of winning anything anywhere.

And around that time it was Newt Gingrich that was supposed to win the nomination, according to the polls. Before that it was the other insane GOP hopeful (not that one, the other one), and before that someone else not named Romney.

Polls are nice, but they aren't predictions. They reflect current attitudes, which is why Newt was on top (bad mental image) after having some good showings. Once the primaries swing back into a part of the country where people will vote for him, Romney will start winning again and the polls will reflect it.

The social conservative wing of the GOP may be in denial about Romney's impending win, but that doesn't mean I have to be. And yeah, I could be horribly wrong. These are just my interpretations.

Look. I know the GOP will come to whatever remaining senses they have and nominate Romney. But don't you dare take away my dream of seeing Obama debate Santorum.

Obama: I believe women are capable, intelligent people who should have the same opportunities as men.
Santorum: The President doesn't have his biblical theology right. Women are subservient accessories to a man's existence.

Obama: I will continue to work to make sure Iran poses no threat to the world.
Santorum: I can't wait to get Armageddon going. My opponent does not welcome the End of Days...he's just wrong for America.


Romney is RIGHT NOW losing important states in the polls though.... his own home state of Michigan, Ohio, Georgia (to Gingrich) and his lead in Arizona is down to 6-7 points. Right now, Santorum has big momentum in the midwest.... although, Romney's saving grace is that Santorum doesn't play well on the coasts and there is the "Super New England" Tuesday in April, and then California & NJ have their primaries in June, with only Utah after that then. I think we may see Romney coming from behind to get Santorum.

/deliberate
 
2012-02-19 09:00:45 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: wademh: demaL-demaL-yeH: wademh: culebra:
You've not factored in social mobility and other external factors into the equation.

Hey, we're number two in social mobility!

/From the bottom.
//Only the UK has less.

Yet for most college professors today, they have a better lifestyle than their parents had. That, it turns out, is a very significant driver towards liberalism. In contrast, if you find you have trouble matching the lifestyle of your parents, this trends towards conservatism.

That's one explanation for why people with no realistic hope of becoming the very wealthy nevertheless actually show sympathy for policies that favor people far better off than themselves. They still have an emotional attachment to something better that they somehow view as a type of birthright that has been denied them by something, perhaps the convenient bugbears of "big government" or "welfare cheats".. It's a bit irrational but then so is the sense that one achieves success by ones virtue as opposed to ones luck.

That's some awful fancy phrasin' there.
How about this: The easiest way be get rich, by far, is to choose the right parents.

Over the last three decades, Republicans have pretty much eliminated the two best playing field levelers - progressive income taxation and inheritance taxes - and gutted the third - our manufacturing base and trade unions.>

You don't understand. Those did not level the playing field. The inheritance tax and high tax brackets never came close to leveling the playing field even if regressing on them is a gift to the wealthy. And the loss of the manufacturing base is not a republican trick. It's globalization and the world catching up.

As for your explanation of why we've gone from a 65% middle class country in 1979 to a less than 42% middle class country today, I'd shorten it to the following: "A lot of Americans are stupid and afraid and/or just plain gullible."*

What say you?


*Barnum's Law is a real, royal bastard.

I didn't given an explanation for the drop in the middle class, at least not directly. I do happen to think it's related to what I wrote, and it's basically a quasi-celebrity worship status for the stock market and traders. If you want real tax reform, tax short term trading significantly so that the financial system has to make its gains through actual production rather than through a shell game of quick trades. That would provide incentives for building businesses with tangible products over the currently more lucrative quick shuffle.

But short term, that would drop the value of everyone's 401K and would thus look like a 'bad thing". Having so much of everyone's retirement locked into the stock market is Keyser Sözes greatest trick.

 
2012-02-19 09:03:14 PM

dletter: I think we may see Romney coming from behind to get Santorum.


www.memphisflyer.com
 
2012-02-19 09:05:41 PM
It's affirmative action. Thank Yahweh, Liberty Union can handle the numbers.
 
2012-02-19 09:06:03 PM

IronTom: Weaver95: this is a GREAT idea! we should also make CEOs and stockbrokers sign loyalty oaths!

they are not directly influencing the children of America, controlling what they say, write, learn, and do. That argument is totally off-base.


Teachers are in short supply. Good teachers even more so. I had a history teacher who openly admitted that Andrew Jackson was pretty much his personal hero. I thought Jackson deserved impeachment and a long stay in a federal prison. Students aren't sheep. They are people and can think for themselves. And while not every teacher I had thought that the United States was/is infallible, I don't doubt for a second that they all loved their country. Every single year, from Kindergarten to 6th grade we were made to sing patriotic songs for Memorial Day in front of our parents. We practiced the songs several times a week for what felt like a month in preparation. We had to stand up and say the Pledge of Allegiance every day at the start of school, and every single classroom had its own flag. So don't try to tell me we don't teach our kids to love their country.
 
2012-02-19 09:06:05 PM

Somacandra: hubiestubert: The problem has been conflating anyone in the Republican Party as immediately Conservative. Even if they are chewing at the scenery-burn down the house radicals who hate the Constitution, hate their neighbors, and hate the foundation of liberties that make up our society--which, to be fair, a good number of so-called "Conservatives" really do

Even better, there is a political party expressly for those people:

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Somacandra,

Like most people, I have my pet peeves. Brussels sprouts. The Atlanta Falcons. Dogs that bark from purses. But I let these things go, mostly because life is too short to be bothered by them.

But nothing - nothing - inspires an intestinal furnace of rage like the people who co-opt our national symbols and documents and then pervert them to an unrecognizable but easily digestible list of cheap emotional appeals designed to be lobbed at window-licking voting enthusiasts.

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When I see this sort of bullsh*t, I actually get angry. (new window) Not the same anger I feel when an old lady is arguing about her coupons when all I need is a pack of cigarettes, but genuine rage. Conservatives' utterly perverse interpretation of what America stands for is enough to remind me of why I'll always support guns in this country despite not being particularly fond of them - some day I'm probably going to need one when the Santorum-ilk aims his small government tractor beam at me

Fark all of you $3 bill 'conservatives.' You are a disgrace made worse by wallowing in what you imagine this country is supposed to stand for.
 
2012-02-19 09:08:07 PM

wademh: Why yes, I did. I did bring up the lack of utility of a population bias in the diagnosis of an individual and then you took issue with what I said. Seeing as I made that point ahead of your response, I didn't shift the goal posts, I planted them. Perhaps you can go back and learn what shifting the goal posts means.


Explain how you propose to evaluate ideologies by diagnosing individuals. In addition, since the ideology in question here is conservatism, explain why the diagnosis of an individual will tell us more about conservatism than a inference from a statistical population.
 
2012-02-19 09:13:21 PM

WhyteRaven74: Someone should ask Romney and Santorum, if they are so sure the government can do nothing right, why are they trying to get elected President?


They never have an answer for this. It's like the question, "If all aborted babies go straight to heaven, why are you against abortion?"
 
2012-02-19 09:15:40 PM

WorldCitizen: ut, by wanting to cut social services and infrastructure development, he gets to walk around wearing the small government badge, because that's all modern Republicans are really referring to when they say "small government." They in no way, shape, or form mean they want to government to be less involved in dictating your personal beliefs and life.


That's the pisser about these "small government" types... they're not really in favor of "small government", but instead want "sm_l_ g_ver_m__t", picking out the pieces that they don't like or those that help people they don't like. The parts they do like, the ones that infringe of civil rights, privacy, separation of church and state, reproductive and marriage rights and foreign policy at the point of a gun, can get as big as they need to so that the republicans get the world they want, or at least the country they want.
 
2012-02-19 09:16:37 PM

0Icky0: They never have an answer for this. It's like the question, "If all aborted babies go straight to heaven, why are you against abortion?"


It's the thing with the GOP, they scream that the government doesn't work, then want to be elected to serve in the government. This is no ta feature of conservatives anywhere else. They all think the government works just fine, it's just a matter of degree and particulars.
 
2012-02-19 09:18:10 PM

James F. Campbell: wademh: Why yes, I did. I did bring up the lack of utility of a population bias in the diagnosis of an individual and then you took issue with what I said. Seeing as I made that point ahead of your response, I didn't shift the goal posts, I planted them. Perhaps you can go back and learn what shifting the goal posts means.

Explain how you propose to evaluate ideologies by diagnosing individuals. In addition, since the ideology in question here is conservatism, explain why the diagnosis of an individual will tell us more about conservatism than a inference from a statistical population.


The point being, I propose not to diagnose individuals. I cautioned that many people take studies about the intellectual proclivities of populations and apply those studies to individuals who are members of populations. I've pointed out that doing so is unreliable. You seem to be waging war with things I did not write but perhaps conform to a nice windmill you have fantasized attacking from your trusty steed. Have you considered switching to decafe?
 
2012-02-19 09:19:52 PM
I went to a small, but highly ranked, engineering school. I honestly couldn't tell you the political leanings of most of my professors. I would say that most probably leaned conservative, but does it really matter? When you're learning how to do differential equations, or studying statics and dynamics, or doing VLSI design, politics simply doesn't enter into it. We were there to learn how to do a job, not to learn what to think about social issues. I did have one professor who was a died-in-the-wool, hard left liberal, but she wasn't a full-time professor there. They brought her in to teach a few of the required Humanities courses we all had to take (which were, in my opinion, a complete waste of my time and money). In any case, I took "Alcohol Use and Abuse" and "Licit and Illicit Drug Use" from her at night, and it somehow didn't turn me into a raging pinko commie.
 
2012-02-19 09:20:01 PM

wademh: James F. Campbell: wademh: Yet for most college professors today, they have a better lifestyle than their parents had. That, it turns out, is a very significant driver towards liberalism. In contrast, if you find you have trouble matching the lifestyle of your parents, this trends towards conservatism.

Study? Source? Link? Citation? I trust you about as far as I could throw you.

Which part? The upward mobility of college professors is trivial due to the timing of the depression and the post-war boom in education. As far as social mobility, there's enough written that one can support any point one wants to make.


The statement that "most college professors today have a better lifestyle than their parents had" is pretty much guaranteed to be true because college professors are a rather well-off group and statistical averages will do the rest. Similarly, we can say that most corporate CEOs are wealthier than their parents, most NBA players are taller than their parents, and most reality show contestants are dumber than their parents.
 
2012-02-19 09:25:04 PM

dickfreckle: When I see this sort of bullsh*t, I actually get angry. (new window) Not the same anger I feel when an old lady is arguing about her coupons when all I need is a pack of cigarettes, but genuine rage.


What's funny is that Republicans have moved so far to the right that there isn't really anything left for the Constitution Party to be. They're obsolete.
 
2012-02-19 09:25:56 PM

wademh: The point being, I propose not to diagnose individuals.


Who did?
 
2012-02-19 09:30:04 PM

rewind2846: WorldCitizen: ut, by wanting to cut social services and infrastructure development, he gets to walk around wearing the small government badge, because that's all modern Republicans are really referring to when they say "small government." They in no way, shape, or form mean they want to government to be less involved in dictating your personal beliefs and life.

That's the pisser about these "small government" types... they're not really in favor of "small government", but instead want "sm_l_ g_ver_m__t", picking out the pieces that they don't like or those that help people they don't like. The parts they do like, the ones that infringe of civil rights, privacy, separation of church and state, reproductive and marriage rights and foreign policy at the point of a gun, can get as big as they need to so that the republicans get the world they want, or at least the country they want.


This is something I have pounded on day in and day out: "Small government" types are, in fact, highly authoritarian. They want a government that is exactly and only empowered to inflict their will on the populace and is, by design, unresponsive to democratic voting.
 
2012-02-19 09:30:12 PM

gimmegimme: culebra: gimmegimme: I have a personal pet peeve against the thinking that people should be excessively accommodated for the "different" kinds of intelligence they may possess.

No, no,no he's special. He's the guy in your [insert discipline] 101 class that argues constantly with the big mean "liberal" professor, fancying himself a master of Socratic dialogue when he's actually being a contrarian nuisance.

Oh yeah? Well, if we evolved from monkeys, how come we still have monkeys? If this Oedipus thing is real, how come I'VE never slept with MY mother? If Shakespeare weren't gay, why did he have dudes kissing each other in his plays?

Oh, and most of all, "B" is the average grade now. If I don't get a "B", you've clearly done something wrong.


In philosophy 101, we actually had a couple taking the class who brought, and quoted, their Bibles in response to various topics of discussion. Genesis was quoted in response to whether something could come from nothing and if not, how could something have always been. This biatch literally said "God"

I don't know if they were worse than the mother of three who cited her children as proof of everything she believed in about a third of my psych courses.
 
2012-02-19 09:32:42 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: This is something I have pounded on day in and day out: "Small government" types are, in fact, highly authoritarian. They want a government that is exactly and only empowered to inflict their will on the populace and is, by design, unresponsive to democratic voting.


In addition to your observations (which are true enough), libertarians are likely composed largely of social dominators. Bob Altemeyer (new window), who basically wrote the book when it comes to research on right-wing authoritarianism, noted the frequency of social dominators among libertarians in his "Comment on the Tea Party" (PDF).
 
2012-02-19 09:35:35 PM

Skyrmion: dickfreckle: When I see this sort of bullsh*t, I actually get angry. (new window) Not the same anger I feel when an old lady is arguing about her coupons when all I need is a pack of cigarettes, but genuine rage.

What's funny is that Republicans have moved so far to the right that there isn't really anything left for the Constitution Party to be. They're obsolete.


True story, knew a guy who thought the Constitution Party was too liberal.

Why yes he was a batshiat crazy fundy who thought the Earth was flat. Why do you ask?
 
2012-02-19 09:41:40 PM

Flappyhead: Skyrmion: dickfreckle: When I see this sort of bullsh*t, I actually get angry. (new window) Not the same anger I feel when an old lady is arguing about her coupons when all I need is a pack of cigarettes, but genuine rage.

What's funny is that Republicans have moved so far to the right that there isn't really anything left for the Constitution Party to be. They're obsolete.

True story, knew a guy who thought the Constitution Party was too liberal.

Why yes he was a batshiat crazy fundy who thought the Earth was flat. Why do you ask?


I just skimmed a bit of their website and wanted to vomit. The bit on environmentalism sums it up. It started with talk of how they felt the environment was important and should be protected. Then it said 'but never by the federal gubmint and all the shiat they've done we'll undo'

And that's what is so damaging about these groups. In general what they say they believe on the whole comes off fine and dandy, but the details are the opposite of their views. It's like when Bachmann says she loves the constitution. No biatch, I've seen your views, and you really dont.
 
2012-02-19 09:48:48 PM
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2012-02-19 09:51:04 PM
As long as they are going all affirmative action, we should at least get it right and enslave them, emancipate them, then Jim crow them first.
 
2012-02-19 09:53:25 PM

Javacrucian: Javacrucian: GranoblasticMan: Will you stop sayin everything's crypto-fascist?!

How could I have ever been such a smeghead?

/better use that tension sheet


It's just so catchy.

OMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
 
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2012-02-19 09:53:32 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: You watched 26:30 of that video to FIND that? God bless you, man.


No! Are you joking? It's listed in the article....
 
2012-02-19 09:56:56 PM
i.imgur.com

Those liberal professors don't have a chance.
 
2012-02-19 10:06:27 PM

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: blorpenster: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?

Quite a few but still a minority. Conservatism and tardism are not mutually inclusive. Imagine a venn diagram where the circles nearly overlap.

So, basically you're talking about people from a noticeably thin crescent-shape, that about right?


Yep
 
2012-02-19 10:08:21 PM

culebra: I wish we had Carlin around for this election. His bits about Catholics were always my favorite.

On a similar note, someone should troll Santorum's campaign by switching the music at his next function to Zappa's Catholic Girls.

/all the way


Dear Mr. Santorum:

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2012-02-19 10:23:46 PM
How come all "Christian" conservatives become fascists?

Is that what Jesus wants them to become?
 
2012-02-19 10:43:38 PM

Sgt Otter: Nothing is more American than a политрук from политический руководитель.


I.
Love.
You.
 
2012-02-19 10:54:06 PM
I thought the correct response was to let the free market decide
 
2012-02-19 10:56:31 PM

WorldCitizen: Wow. Wow. Political tests for fields of knowledge. That's something right out of the Soviet play book. So, he's now like combining an Iranian Mullah and a Soviet commissar. Both of those things are so American, you know?


I expect "proctologist" to get thrown into the mix soon.
 
2012-02-19 11:01:59 PM
Conservatives in academia? Are there no white-collar prIsons? And the multinational derivative workhouses, are they still in operation?
 
2012-02-19 11:05:28 PM

AcneVulgaris: WorldCitizen: Wow. Wow. Political tests for fields of knowledge. That's something right out of the Soviet play book. So, he's now like combining an Iranian Mullah and a Soviet commissar. Both of those things are so American, you know?

I expect "proctologist" to get thrown into the mix soon.


Fusili Santorum!
 
2012-02-19 11:28:49 PM
Remember, politicians don't buy the same products that they're selling.
 
2012-02-19 11:38:01 PM
How come this guy always looks like he's having an uncomfortable bowel movement?

www.rawstory.com
 
2012-02-19 11:38:12 PM
i.imgur.com

Ah, I am beginning to see Ricks point of view...

Is this why they were called the dark ages?
 
2012-02-19 11:47:23 PM

dickfreckle: Conservatives' utterly perverse interpretation of what America stands for is enough to remind me of why I'll always support guns in this country despite not being particularly fond of them - some day I'm probably going to need one when the Santorum-ilk aims his small government tractor beam at me


I would agree, except that I see no reason to call such people 'Conservative.' The Conservative tradition is a long and proud one, warts and all---but it does not apply to the people you are talking about. John Birchers and their ilk are not Conservative, and I see no reason to indulge their own fantasies that they are--every commentator should point out that they are Reactionaries. It makes a difference.
 
2012-02-19 11:48:45 PM

rga184: Soviet? I would say more Roman Catholic Church ca 1400's.


img823.imageshack.us
 
2012-02-20 12:05:14 AM

James F. Campbell: Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?


There's a BIG difference between "winning the Republican primary" and "winning the election". The sad thing is: once the Republicans completely get their asses stomped, they're going to claim that it's because "Santorum wasn't CONSERVATIVE enough." They double-down on the Stupid every single time they lose an election.
 
2012-02-20 12:25:45 AM
Just what we need, more professors who think the age of farking rocks is still debatable.
 
2012-02-20 12:32:57 AM

Weaver95: GAT_00: That sounds like a gigantic government interference into personal lives. How very Republican.

but how can Santorum say he's a 'small government conservative' when he keeps advocating for larger government and more government intrusion into every aspect of society (and people's private lives)?

I don't get it. people vote for shiat like this? you don't have to be a genius to understand hypocrisy...and santorum reeks of bullshiat.


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2012-02-20 12:33:59 AM
Let's do some math:

There are 4140 public and private universities in the US, which comes out to about 82 per state. Presumably, every university would need one commissar, so 4140. Presumably they would need a support staff, say, a secretary and assistant, so we're up to 12420 employees. Of course, they would have to report to someone, so at the very least you would need, say, 60 state/territory administrators plus support staff, and likely some number of sub administrators. It would probably be a good idea to set up regional administrators as well just in case some liberal areas like the Pacific Northwest don't play along. And then you would need a headquarters in DC so that the information could get to the White House quickly. Since the Departments of Education and Interior would likely be abolished at this point, this would probably have to be a department level organization with a Secretary and his numerous underlings. That's quite a bureaucracy the small government conservatives are putting together.
 
2012-02-20 12:34:50 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: Just what we need, more professors who think the age of farking rocks is still debatable.


Exactly. And they get on airplanes.
 
2012-02-20 01:10:54 AM

Weaver95: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

this is a GREAT idea! we should also make CEOs and stockbrokers sign loyalty oaths! lets make sure EVERYONE loves america! Obviously, we should also put a political officer into every corporation as well, just to be sure everyone is in compliance.


In Georgia, state employees (including teachers, of course) have to sign a loyalty oath to the state Constitution upon hiring.
 
2012-02-20 01:44:29 AM

dletter: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?

How many universities like Liberty and Oral Roberts are there? Since, those are the ones where they'd have to work I think.

Although, there is the flip side to his proposal.... I would assume Liberty University, Oral Roberts, etc, are the "Fox News" of universities..... so, with this law, wouldn't they have to bring on a whole bunch of "Liberal" professors that they currently don't have?


Of course not. That's when they'd pull out the "religious liberty" card again, and say that because these schools are religiously affiliated, they can hire or not hire anyone they damn well want.
 
2012-02-20 02:44:22 AM
If the GOP convention ends up being brokered, I wish they'd just admit that they seriously screwed the pooch, that the total duds they offered up to run for President shouldn't be in charge of anything and rather than picking some alternate (who didn't run in the primary) they'd give Obama a pass. I know this will never happen as introspection has never been a strong suit for conservatives.

I bet how things will play out is Romney will have a plurality of votes but not enough needed to win the nomination. So Santorum will have to be brought into his campaign meaning Romney/Santorum 2012.
 
2012-02-20 02:55:40 AM
It looks like a civil war is coming. These rightwing nuts want us dead, literally, and I truly believe that the xians will go on a killing spree like we've never seen on this continent.
 
2012-02-20 03:21:45 AM

sunlion: and I truly believe that the xians will go on a killing spree like we've never seen on this continent.


What you mean "never" Kemosabe?
 
2012-02-20 03:56:00 AM

IronTom: Weaver95: this is a GREAT idea! we should also make CEOs and stockbrokers sign loyalty oaths!

they are not directly influencing the children of America, controlling what they say, write, learn, and do. That argument is totally off-base.


..Seriously? In your world, you'd need to make sure that my husband's and my patriotism was the Right Kind of Patriotism before we were allowed to be employed teaching a bunch of 20-year-olds grammar and mathematics? Do we need to tell you how we vote? Are we denied tenure if we're just too moderate and don't like to talk about national affairs at work?
 
2012-02-20 04:18:03 AM

Virtual Pariah: The man's a damn idiot.

Can't we get back the intelligent conservatives who understood what their beliefs were and had the ability to have rational discourse to support their points?


The last one that tried was named Huntsman. Guess what happened to him? Even he had to resort to spewing rightard garbage like a neantherthal to appeal to the mouthbreathers, but it was too little too late.

/I'm surprised that conservatives today can even have children without devouring them in the crib
 
2012-02-20 04:46:14 AM

Virtual Pariah: Can't we get back the intelligent conservatives who understood what their beliefs were and had the ability to have rational discourse to support their points?


They're still here; now they're called Democrats.
 
2012-02-20 05:32:33 AM

WhyteRaven74: Someone should ask Romney and Santorum, if they are so sure the government can do nothing right, why are they trying to get elected President?


They are power-hungry greed-pig whores.
 
2012-02-20 05:56:42 AM
Man I hope he gets the Republican nomination.
 
2012-02-20 06:23:39 AM

vartian: IronTom: CougarJeff: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

We do. That's why I hate your guts.

I'm sorry I took you off ignore. You really should get some other hobby, your hard-on for me is getting really annoying.

Wait, you are for real? That wasn't a joke? Well, fark you.

Who the fark are you to tell me who loves America? Who the fark are you to judge how much a person loves his or her country? Who the fark are you to think there could be a proper line of questions to even determine such a thing?

Shut the fark up, you fascist piece of shiat.


My reaction exactly.

As much as I am loathe to Godwin a thread, he's more Nazi than Hitler.
 
2012-02-20 07:05:00 AM

wademh: Yet for most college professors today, they have a better lifestyle than their parents had.


I don't know about that. ~ 2/3 of the college instructors in the US are "associate" professors that barely make minimum wage, must reapply for their jobs every year, and can be fired pretty much at whim, and the last two decades of tenure "reform" certainly hasn't helped matters. The Blog Lawyers, Guns, and Money paints a rather bleak picture of life in the teaching side of academia.
 
2012-02-20 07:11:28 AM

Somacandra: dickfreckle: Conservatives' utterly perverse interpretation of what America stands for is enough to remind me of why I'll always support guns in this country despite not being particularly fond of them - some day I'm probably going to need one when the Santorum-ilk aims his small government tractor beam at me

I would agree, except that I see no reason to call such people 'Conservative.' The Conservative tradition is a long and proud one, warts and all---but it does not apply to the people you are talking about. John Birchers and their ilk are not Conservative, and I see no reason to indulge their own fantasies that they are--every commentator should point out that they are Reactionaries. It makes a difference.


Technically I agree with you, but if we quibble over labeling then some of these folks will use the space between those "Conservative" and "Reactionary" to wiggle free of any opprobrium. The Rs won't change their behavior until being labeled a "conservative" carries a similar stigma to what being labeled a "liberal" did in the 90s.

/and btw how crazy is that? The American Revolution was specifically fought for Liberal ideals, and now those very ideals are anathema to close to half of the US. Insanity!
 
2012-02-20 07:12:50 AM

Mavent: James F. Campbell: Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?

There's a BIG difference between "winning the Republican primary" and "winning the election". The sad thing is: once the Republicans completely get their asses stomped, they're going to claim that it's because "Santorum wasn't CONSERVATIVE enough." They double-down on the Stupid every single time they lose an election.


I've actually heard this from a Republican friend of mine. He calls Santorum a "phony conservative" because of his Congressional record, etc. His opinion of Romney is basically unprintable. Without any trace of irony, he refers to Gingrich as a "brilliant man."
 
2012-02-20 07:17:40 AM

sunlion: It looks like a civil war is coming. These rightwing nuts want us dead, literally, and I truly believe that the xians will go on a killing spree like we've never seen on this continent.


Nah, this won't happen. Yeah, the dominionists are a bunch of damn loonies, but the majority of them are never going to take up arms for anything, and even if they did, the FBI is very, very good at watching, infiltrating, and busting up just those sorts of movements. True, they spend most of their time and money inventing terrorist plots these days, but that's mostly because they now have to compete with the DHS for funding and, unlike them, the FBI can't just snatch random people off the street, deport them, and then claim to be doing its job.
 
2012-02-20 07:20:34 AM

rosebud_the_sled: How come this guy always looks like he's having an uncomfortable bowel movement?

[www.rawstory.com image 615x345]


Because of the absurdly gigantic stick up his ass.

/it's the girth man; the girth
 
2012-02-20 07:33:29 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: IronTom: Weaver95:
They should report to a Committee for State Security. But abbreviated somehow, possibly in Russian.

No, no, make it an Extraordinary Committee, one that would check Americanism. Call it Check Ah. And the guys who do the checking, call them check-ists.

/That's the ticket.


Yes. The contents of your newsletter are now of interests to me.
 
2012-02-20 07:42:54 AM
I hear he wants to replace the presidential seal as well

www.informatik.tu-cottbus.de
 
2012-02-20 07:46:23 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: As long as they are going all affirmative action, we should at least get it right and enslave them, emancipate them, then Jim crow them first.


This doctrine is intended to restore fairness to our universities. I wish we could come up with a good name for it.
 
2012-02-20 07:49:57 AM

2wolves: Obviously Mr. Santorum has never taken an engineering course.


This.
 
2012-02-20 08:20:53 AM

rosebud_the_sled: How come all "Christian" conservatives become fascists?

Is that what Jesus wants them to become?


Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to the derp side.
 
2012-02-20 08:21:49 AM
He's a religious fascist, plain and simple.
 
2012-02-20 08:32:56 AM
if he gets elected president I'm leaving the country...seriously
 
2012-02-20 08:38:43 AM

everything that happens will happen today: if he gets elected president I'm leaving the country...seriously


Be quick or he might just fence you in!
 
2012-02-20 08:57:18 AM
Funny how the small/less regulation government people, are perfectly OK with government telling us what to do here.

BTW..I was thinking about Romney going on about capitalism being what we are about.... then I realized he was right....I mean that what we fought the civil war for to preserve, right?

The republicans are ass holes... plain and simple. Except for Lincoln, that is...he saved capitalism
 
2012-02-20 09:04:40 AM
Now hold on, Milenko, I thought that was Fartbama wantin' to do that??

You know, declarin' hisself Messiah and all that?

/plots to put hungry fire ants in Ricky's gold olive leaf wreath
 
2012-02-20 09:10:55 AM

Olympus Mons: The republicans are ass holes... plain and simple. Except for Lincoln, that is...he saved capitalism


Eisenhower was the last decent Republican.
 
2012-02-20 09:14:08 AM

everything that happens will happen today: if he gets elected president I'm leaving the country...seriously


A country that could elect something like Santorum is no longer worth saving or fighting for.
 
2012-02-20 09:20:57 AM
Rick Santorum truly is a relic from the middle ages.
 
2012-02-20 09:52:13 AM

Bungles: randomjsa: Well, considering there really have been instances of qualified professors being black listed for the grand crime of being a Republican and/or Conservative, something should be done, but this is too much.


Citations? (ones that don't involve someone doing something ludicrous)


There are no citations. They would only be blacklisted because they insisted on being douchebags. Seriously. I know of one or two "Conservative" professors who insisted on being total douche-nozzles simply because they felt "oppressed". This argument is older than dirt. Only the most desperate conservative idiots, like the Fark Shills, still use it as an debate point. Nobody in Academia cares unless they are a crusading douchebag.
 
2012-02-20 10:07:12 AM

WhyteRaven74: Someone should ask Romney and Santorum, if they are so sure the government can do nothing right, why are they trying to get elected President?


Their theory is that, once the proper ideology is established, the state will wither away.
 
2012-02-20 10:24:42 AM

Kibbler: WhyteRaven74: Someone should ask Romney and Santorum, if they are so sure the government can do nothing right, why are they trying to get elected President?

Their theory is that, once the proper ideology is established, the state will wither away.


Wait, wait, isn't that what Marx said about the transitional nature of the temporary socialist government that was supposed to precede the flowering of communism?

/think : Hippies, and grocery clerks turning into hippies, and businessmen turning into hippies...
 
2012-02-20 10:31:35 AM

Heron: demaL-demaL-yeH: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: IronTom: Weaver95:
They should report to a Committee for State Security. But abbreviated somehow, possibly in Russian.

No, no, make it an Extraordinary Committee, one that would check Americanism. Call it Check Ah. And the guys who do the checking, call them check-ists.

/That's the ticket.

Yes. The contents of your newsletter are now of interests to me.


Must have been channeling Lovitz.

/Now on to work...
//Morgan?
 
2012-02-20 10:37:39 AM

Weaver95: but how can Santorum say he's a 'small government conservative' when he keeps advocating for larger government and more government intrusion into every aspect of society (and people's private lives)?


Here's how:

1. 'Shrink' the fedgov until it can't afford to regulate the environment, food, drugs, medicine, and ... most importantly ... can't impose oversight on state policies. The Pres gives the wink and nod that he won't prosecute anything but the most heinous offenses.

2. The States re-write their own laws to create and support local and regional institutions that reinforce the way that certain groups want to live. Some counties become repressive local theocracies, others becomes client counties whose elected officials fear the organized power of the electorate - and their paramilitary secret societies.

3. "Profit" Except that most people will be miserable and unhappy as they are now, because their unhappiness doesn't come from the sins of others, but their deep self-loathing and self-hatred.
 
2012-02-20 11:30:49 AM

everything that happens will happen today: if he gets elected president I'm leaving the country...seriously


I don't know about leaving, but I definitely would start seriously looking into which countries offer asylum to LGBT people. I don't trust him not to find a way to do an end run around Lawrence v. Texas.
 
2012-02-20 12:00:31 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: [www.tv-nostalgie.de image 472x336]

Dum dum da da dum dum dum.
Ja!


Well thanks for getting that song stuck in my head now.
 
2012-02-20 08:54:05 PM

everything that happens will happen today: if he gets elected president I'm leaving the country...seriously


I really, really think you need to take a breather. Everybody is up in a froth because Santorum is polling ahead of Romney with REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTERS. This is not a general poll. These are polls with Republican Party activists, exactly the kind of whackjobs drawn to this asshole.

Seriously, do you really believe that a country that elected Barack Obama as President is going to turn around and elect somebody who is the complete polar opposite? A guy who is so far out of the mainstream that he's practically a cartoon character?

The candidate will, and always has been, Mitt Romney. And although he looks like shiat right now, eventually the convention will happen and the game changes. I think the guy is an utter tool, but he still will have a reasonable shot at beating Obama in the general election.
 
2012-02-20 11:40:15 PM
The United States is like a car; D to move forward, R to go backward.
 
2012-02-21 08:32:06 PM

I created this alt just for this thread: The United States is like a car; D to move forward, R to go backward.


Are you the Messiah?
 
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