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(Daily Kos)   Rick Santorum wants a federal commissar to ensure enough conservative professors are hired by universities. That seems pretty reasonable   (dailykos.com) divider line 411
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2012-02-19 07:14:32 PM  

James F. Campbell: Have you guys ever considered that maybe Americans deserve Santorum, huh?


Do elaborate, please.
 
2012-02-19 07:15:06 PM  

James F. Campbell: Have you guys ever considered that maybe Americans deserve Santorum, huh?


Around 28% of Americans deserve Santorum. Maybe around 2/3rds if you (reasonably) include non-voters.
 
2012-02-19 07:15:33 PM  

Sandelaphon: gimmegimme: Ed Finnerty: "Mr. Santorum! The Obama Administration sent more paint!"

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Seriously. What the hell does Santorum think he can tell the real media if he wins the nomination? "I was only kidding? Baby, baby, I was...only kidding?"

"I'm an entertainer!"


"I was misquoted!"
 
2012-02-19 07:17:03 PM  

Weaver95: bobbette: I find myself concerned that someone espousing far-right religious totalitarianism is actually the frontrunner for the Republican nomination at present. I'm not even exaggerating, Rick Santorum is literally running on that now. This is bad.

allow me to nit pick - I have no problem with a dominioninst theocrat openly running for office. that's the sort of thing that can and should happen in a democracy.

what's scary is that people are VOTING FOR HIM and giving him money. that's the sort of pants on head stupidity that I cannot fathom. Santorum has a right to run on a platform of bed wetting fear mongering vile spewing hatred. But in a society of sane and rational people he'd fail to get elected to dog catcher, let alone get a shot at the GOP nomination for President. that's the bit I don't understand...how someone could look at Santorum's views, hear his words, read what he's written...and somehow think that it's a great idea to put this man in office.


It's not that they like Santorum...it's that they hate the scary Negro even more
 
2012-02-19 07:20:40 PM  

ActionJoe: It would take away from states's rights to oversee how their public schools are run.


Governor Christie has envisioned something similar in New Jersey. Publically he's had ads run for "Keeping politics out of our schools", but in his speech to the Koch fundraiser, he said:

"We need to take on the teachers' union once and for all, and we need to decide who is determining our children's future, who is running this place. Them or us? I say it's us,"
 
2012-02-19 07:21:05 PM  

GAT_00: That sounds like a gigantic government interference into personal lives. How very Republican.



You know outside of gun threads, I am starting to agree with you more and more.
 
2012-02-19 07:22:40 PM  

bizzwire: It's not that they like Santorum...it's that they hate the scary Negro even more


Not to mention the Mormon guy. I think the main thing that many conservatives find wrong with 1984 is that those poor people only got 2 minutes a day to hate when they could have 1,440.
 
2012-02-19 07:24:07 PM  

culebra: Do elaborate, please.


Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?
 
2012-02-19 07:26:01 PM  

culebra:
Anyhow. Judging by your vague understanding of secondary education, horrific spelling, and disjointed reasoning, I'd guess you're a bored undergrad with some ax or another to grind. Get back to work. I have articles to compose.


Chuckles, I probably had my extra letters when you were in diapers child. Tell me, is your opinion of universities based on the one you are currently at or have you done time throughout Europe? Please contrast the German and English systems for me and feel free to discuss the variations seen between the ETH and Geneva. We must continue to thank the French. For the US, please discuss the changes pre and post WWII and which schools did and didn't readily ally themselves with McCarthism and why.

You've read a few books (too few) and have some parochial experience that matches your preconceptions. You've not factored in social mobility and other external factors into the equation. There is an element of bias towards progressive thinking in many universities but it is in balance with many other factors. Ascribing the majority of that bias toward intellectualism would, sensu your assertion, suggest you were conservative.
 
2012-02-19 07:26:43 PM  

James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?


The scariest thing I can think of. Gingrich I figured was playing to the derp, considering he was really sounding sensible until he declared. Santorum though is a true believer in the power of government to control every aspect of your life. He might be enough to make me vote for Obama. Rick Santorum is an evil man.
 
2012-02-19 07:29:14 PM  

James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?


Only if Jesusland becomes a reality. The rest of America is shaking its head at this nonsense.
 
2012-02-19 07:29:56 PM  

wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.


Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ (new window)
 
2012-02-19 07:30:21 PM  

James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?


No, its proof that a minority of Americans are pants-on-head-creationist-bat-shiat-insane.
 
2012-02-19 07:31:40 PM  

Flappyhead: James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?

Only if Jesusland becomes a reality. The rest of America is shaking its head at this nonsense.


I hope Santorum wins the nomination. It will be hilarious.

I also hope he wins the general election, because I'm going to really enjoy all the schadenfreude from watching my fellow Americans suffer. I just need to ensure I've got a safe place to watch the hilarity from.
 
2012-02-19 07:32:19 PM  
The words "Conservative" and "Liberal" become more and more meaningless every day, and the political discourse incorporates both more and more.

I don't even know what the fark I'm supposed to think anymore when someone uses them.

They get bandied about as pejoratives and badges of honor, but no one seems too inclined to clarify just what the fark they mean.

Kind of seems like we're just being manipulated into uniting against bogeymen of fuzzy composition.
 
2012-02-19 07:32:46 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: With every passing day he says something more pants-shiattingly crazy and gets away with it.

By the time the RNC comes around he'll be bleating about how purity can only be assured by installing monitor chips in the brains of people who enjoy Jack Donaghy ironically and demanding that tampons be sold only by prescription, followed by his campaign promise to change the $10 bill to a photo of Reagan and Jesus double-teaming a crying Janeane Garofalo.


Yeah, but, without protection.... they can only be doing that to try to get Garafalo pregnant with zombie Reagans baby.
 
2012-02-19 07:35:12 PM  
How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?
 
2012-02-19 07:35:17 PM  

James F. Campbell: wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.

Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ (new window)


Ah that was good read.

Here is another interesting article (new window).
 
2012-02-19 07:38:24 PM  

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?


Quite a few but still a minority. Conservatism and tardism are not mutually inclusive. Imagine a venn diagram where the circles nearly overlap.
 
2012-02-19 07:39:02 PM  

rynthetyn: I go to a law school where the right-wing Federalist Society is the largest and most powerful student group on campus by orders of magnitude, where it's like pulling teeth to get anyone to show up at any meetings of more liberal student groups, where the Christian Legal Society has about twice as many active members as OUTLaw, etc, and yet the president of the Federalist Society is convinced it's really hard to be a conservative Christian on campus because sometimes people disagree with him.

If that's the kind of persecution complex that is governing this idea that universities need to be forced to hire more conservative professors, we're going to wind up with some kind of McCarthyesqe blacklist and professors getting dragged before congress to prove that they aren't too liberal.


Which is exactly what these people want. Remember, their predecessors were the ones cheering McCarthy; it took one of the most trusted men in US news media to take McCarthy down, and the Reactionaries have spent decades brow-beating television corporations to make damn sure that will never happen again.
 
2012-02-19 07:40:45 PM  

Flappyhead: James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?

Only if Jesusland becomes a reality. The rest of America is shaking its head at this nonsense.


I don't know to many people here in Southern Illinois who are pro Santorum. Most Chrstians I know think he is a radical asshole who is no more worthy of the office than anyone else.
 
2012-02-19 07:40:59 PM  

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?


How many universities like Liberty and Oral Roberts are there? Since, those are the ones where they'd have to work I think.

Although, there is the flip side to his proposal.... I would assume Liberty University, Oral Roberts, etc, are the "Fox News" of universities..... so, with this law, wouldn't they have to bring on a whole bunch of "Liberal" professors that they currently don't have?
 
2012-02-19 07:41:49 PM  

blorpenster: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?

Quite a few but still a minority. Conservatism and tardism are not mutually inclusive. Imagine a venn diagram where the circles nearly overlap.


So, basically you're talking about people from a noticeably thin crescent-shape, that about right?
 
2012-02-19 07:43:23 PM  

wademh: culebra:
You've not factored in social mobility and other external factors into the equation.


Hey, we're number two in social mobility!

/From the bottom.
//Only the UK has less.
 
2012-02-19 07:43:42 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: Flappyhead: James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?

Only if Jesusland becomes a reality. The rest of America is shaking its head at this nonsense.

I don't know to many people here in Southern Illinois who are pro Santorum. Most Chrstians I know think he is a radical asshole who is no more worthy of the office than anyone else.


Maybe you don't know the "right" ones.... since I'd imagine southern Illinois is of similar demographics to the places in Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, etc, that gave Santorum his wins.
 
2012-02-19 07:44:14 PM  

blorpenster: James F. Campbell: wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.

Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ (new window)

Ah that was good read.

Here is another interesting article (new window).


Yet if you have enough brains, you'll avoid bringing that out too often as you'll have recognized that many people can't effectively comprehend that bias in a distribution of a population is a poor method for dealing with individuals. Moreover, you'll be highly suspicious of results that treat intelligence as a unidimensional quality.
 
2012-02-19 07:45:14 PM  

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: blorpenster: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?

Quite a few but still a minority. Conservatism and tardism are not mutually inclusive. Imagine a venn diagram where the circles nearly overlap.

So, basically you're talking about people from a noticeably thin crescent-shape, that about right?


The only sensible choice for President is Johnson and he doesn't stand a chance. But no one wants anyone that will change things in a way that might matter. The current Republican party needs to have a giant flushing. When people like myself are ready to vote Obama there is a problem.
 
2012-02-19 07:46:48 PM  

dletter: globalwarmingpraiser: Flappyhead: James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?

Only if Jesusland becomes a reality. The rest of America is shaking its head at this nonsense.

I don't know to many people here in Southern Illinois who are pro Santorum. Most Chrstians I know think he is a radical asshole who is no more worthy of the office than anyone else.

Maybe you don't know the "right" ones.... since I'd imagine southern Illinois is of similar demographics to the places in Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, etc, that gave Santorum his wins.


That is possible, but Santorum is a scary individual. He would never stop because he thinks he is doing the right thing.
 
2012-02-19 07:49:52 PM  

wademh: blorpenster: James F. Campbell: wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.

Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ (new window)

Ah that was good read.

Here is another interesting article (new window).

Yet if you have enough brains, you'll avoid bringing that out too often as you'll have recognized that many people can't effectively comprehend that bias in a distribution of a population is a poor method for dealing with individuals. Moreover, you'll be highly suspicious of results that treat intelligence as a unidimensional quality.


That's a good point. Like many conservatives, I'm not really a read-stuff-and-understand-it-and-use-the-information-collected-over-ti me-to-form-an-understanding-of-the-world learner. I need things shouted at me like I'm five years old. I'm also just not critical-thinking inclined. I make decisions based upon whatever Fox News tells me my gut feeling is.

It's just a different style of learning and seeing the world. They're all equal, right?
 
2012-02-19 07:51:57 PM  

wademh: Yet if you have enough brains, you'll avoid bringing that out too often as you'll have recognized that many people can't effectively comprehend that bias in a distribution of a population is a poor method for dealing with individuals. Moreover, you'll be highly suspicious of results that treat intelligence as a unidimensional quality.


Populations are made up of individuals.
 
2012-02-19 07:52:47 PM  

bravian: Bungles: There's always something wonderful about seeing lesbians with AIDS ribbons, as they're the only segment of the population virtually unaffected by AIDS.

Not only HIV - but pretty much any sexual transmitted disease. Of course - it takes until at least the 9th date for two lesbians to negotiate having sex. Whereas us gay men negotiate the first date after we fark each other.

/saves time


And you wonder why fundies are scared of you...

CONSEQUENCE FREE SODOMY? BURN THEM!
 
2012-02-19 07:53:06 PM  
I think it's time for a mandatory IQ test for politicians
 
2012-02-19 07:55:23 PM  

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: blorpenster: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?

Quite a few but still a minority. Conservatism and tardism are not mutually inclusive. Imagine a venn diagram where the circles nearly overlap.

So, basically you're talking about people from a noticeably thin crescent-shape, that about right?


Here's the other thing that nobody ever seems to mention when this comes up: even if they have the ability, conservatives don't want to teach.

Conservatives want to go out and make oodles and oodles of cash so they can build a 20-foot sign on their enormous lawn that reads, in letters made of gold and caviar, "fark you I got mine." What they do not want to do is toil their whole lives away in a boring, low-paid, unglamorous and kind of unmanly profession like teaching college.

Where is Rick Santorum going to come up with this legion of bible thumping, Rush Limbaugh listening effete intellectuals who talk like William F. Buckley and are clamoring at the gates of academia? He's not. Rick Santorum is an idiot.
 
2012-02-19 07:56:08 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: wademh: culebra:
You've not factored in social mobility and other external factors into the equation.

Hey, we're number two in social mobility!

/From the bottom.
//Only the UK has less.


Yet for most college professors today, they have a better lifestyle than their parents had. That, it turns out, is a very significant driver towards liberalism. In contrast, if you find you have trouble matching the lifestyle of your parents, this trends towards conservatism.

That's one explanation for why people with no realistic hope of becoming the very wealthy nevertheless actually show sympathy for policies that favor people far better off than themselves. They still have an emotional attachment to something better that they somehow view as a type of birthright that has been denied them by something, perhaps the convenient bugbears of "big government" or "welfare cheats".. It's a bit irrational but then so is the sense that one achieves success by ones virtue as opposed to ones luck.
 
2012-02-19 07:56:16 PM  
fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net

in case you weren't doubting his sanity yet.
 
2012-02-19 07:56:39 PM  
So, "equal time" to balance the Liberal Media is a bad thing now that FauxNews is a well-funded player, but Equal Seats to balance Liberal Academia is now a good thing.

I obviously need to read more Lewis Carroll.
 
2012-02-19 07:56:57 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: dletter: globalwarmingpraiser: Flappyhead: James F. Campbell: culebra: Do elaborate, please.

Santorum is winning. This isn't proof enough that Americans deserve him?

Only if Jesusland becomes a reality. The rest of America is shaking its head at this nonsense.

I don't know to many people here in Southern Illinois who are pro Santorum. Most Chrstians I know think he is a radical asshole who is no more worthy of the office than anyone else.

Maybe you don't know the "right" ones.... since I'd imagine southern Illinois is of similar demographics to the places in Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, etc, that gave Santorum his wins.

That is possible, but Santorum is a scary individual. He would never stop because he thinks he is doing the right thing.


He's like an environmentalist who burns down a forest to stop logging, he just doesn't seem to understand what he's doing wrong. Worse still, there are enough people out there who side with him to make a Presidential run a legitimate possibility. Not that he'd win, but the damage he'd do to Americas image world wide......
 
2012-02-19 07:58:22 PM  

Curse of the Goth Kids: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: blorpenster: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: How many people with the mentality that would qualify them as a "conservative" in today's American vernacular be able to acquire the credentials FOR professorship in the first place?

Quite a few but still a minority. Conservatism and tardism are not mutually inclusive. Imagine a venn diagram where the circles nearly overlap.

So, basically you're talking about people from a noticeably thin crescent-shape, that about right?

Here's the other thing that nobody ever seems to mention when this comes up: even if they have the ability, conservatives don't want to teach.

Conservatives want to go out and make oodles and oodles of cash so they can build a 20-foot sign on their enormous lawn that reads, in letters made of gold and caviar, "fark you I got mine." What they do not want to do is toil their whole lives away in a boring, low-paid, unglamorous and kind of unmanly profession like teaching college.

Where is Rick Santorum going to come up with this legion of bible thumping, Rush Limbaugh listening effete intellectuals who talk like William F. Buckley and are clamoring at the gates of academia? He's not. Rick Santorum is an idiot.


Say WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA? Conservatives don't want to spend seven-plus years of their lives taking out student loans and earning a grad school stipend if they're lucky, all so they can grade papers for hours a day and explain the same simple concepts to snowflakes who have been taught they're awesome no matter what?
 
2012-02-19 07:58:54 PM  

WhyteRaven74: [fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 532x350]

in case you weren't doubting his sanity yet.


That would make a great Halloween mask..
 
2012-02-19 07:59:18 PM  

WhyteRaven74: [fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 532x350]

in case you weren't doubting his sanity yet.


Hey, don't be unfair. Didn't he say that his wife wrote that part of the book?
 
2012-02-19 08:00:05 PM  

WhyteRaven74: [fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 532x350]

in case you weren't doubting his sanity yet.


please tell me that's taken out of context or that someone just made that quote up....
 
2012-02-19 08:00:30 PM  

gimmegimme: Say WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA? Conservatives don't want to spend seven-plus years of their lives taking out student loans and earning a grad school stipend if they're lucky, all so they can grade papers for hours a day and explain the same simple concepts to snowflakes who have been taught they're awesome no matter what?


I know it's counterintuitive, but think about it for a minute.
 
2012-02-19 08:00:41 PM  

wademh: Yet for most college professors today, they have a better lifestyle than their parents had. That, it turns out, is a very significant driver towards liberalism. In contrast, if you find you have trouble matching the lifestyle of your parents, this trends towards conservatism.


Study? Source? Link? Citation? I trust you about as far as I could throw you.
 
2012-02-19 08:01:48 PM  

gimmegimme: Hey, don't be unfair. Didn't he say that his wife wrote that part of the book?


Even if she did, doesn't change that he's far from sane.
 
2012-02-19 08:02:54 PM  

WhyteRaven74: gimmegimme: Hey, don't be unfair. Didn't he say that his wife wrote that part of the book?

Even if she did, doesn't change that he's far from sane.


Don't worry; I was kidding. I think it makes him look worse. Not only did he not write his own book, but he is pleased that his wife is his servant and not his partner.
 
2012-02-19 08:03:38 PM  

Weaver95: please tell me that's taken out of context or that someone just made that quote up....


It's a quote right out of his book...
 
2012-02-19 08:06:24 PM  

wademh: demaL-demaL-yeH: wademh: culebra:
You've not factored in social mobility and other external factors into the equation.

Hey, we're number two in social mobility!

/From the bottom.
//Only the UK has less.

Yet for most college professors today, they have a better lifestyle than their parents had. That, it turns out, is a very significant driver towards liberalism. In contrast, if you find you have trouble matching the lifestyle of your parents, this trends towards conservatism.

That's one explanation for why people with no realistic hope of becoming the very wealthy nevertheless actually show sympathy for policies that favor people far better off than themselves. They still have an emotional attachment to something better that they somehow view as a type of birthright that has been denied them by something, perhaps the convenient bugbears of "big government" or "welfare cheats".. It's a bit irrational but then so is the sense that one achieves success by ones virtue as opposed to ones luck.


That's some awful fancy phrasin' there.
How about this: The easiest way be get rich, by far, is to choose the right parents.

Over the last three decades, Republicans have pretty much eliminated the two best playing field levelers - progressive income taxation and inheritance taxes - and gutted the third - our manufacturing base and trade unions.

As for your explanation of why we've gone from a 65% middle class country in 1979 to a less than 42% middle class country today, I'd shorten it to the following: "A lot of Americans are stupid and afraid and/or just plain gullible."*

What say you?


*Barnum's Law is a real, royal bastard.
 
2012-02-19 08:07:39 PM  

gimmegimme: but he is pleased that his wife is his servant and not his partner.


And just think, he has daughters. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy their dad thinks such things doesn't it?
 
2012-02-19 08:07:58 PM  

gimmegimme: wademh: blorpenster: James F. Campbell: wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.

Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ (new window)

Ah that was good read.

Here is another interesting article (new window).

Yet if you have enough brains, you'll avoid bringing that out too often as you'll have recognized that many people can't effectively comprehend that bias in a distribution of a population is a poor method for dealing with individuals. Moreover, you'll be highly suspicious of results that treat intelligence as a unidimensional quality.

That's a good point. Like many conservatives, I'm not really a read-stuff-and-understand-it-and-use-the-information-collected-over-ti me-to-form-an-understanding-of-the-world learner. I need things shouted at me like I'm five years old. I'm also just not critical-thinking inclined. I make decisions based upon whatever Fox News tells me my gut feeling is.

It's just a different style of learning and seeing the world. They're all equal, right?


Where did that come from? It would be highly entertaining to see you connect the dots between what I wrote and your response but before you try to jump that canyon, you might want to doublecheck that your parachute is packed correctly.

James F. Campbell: wademh: Yet if you have enough brains, you'll avoid bringing that out too often as you'll have recognized that many people can't effectively comprehend that bias in a distribution of a population is a poor method for dealing with individuals. Moreover, you'll be highly suspicious of results that treat intelligence as a unidimensional quality.

Populations are made up of individuals.


Why yes, yes they are. But, and here's the part to try to remember, individuals are distinct even though they come from a population. So suggesting that above average intelligence produces a bias towards liberal thinking does not necessarily produce a useful diagnostic test for intelligence or political leanings of an individual. Look up Sensittivity and Specificity (new window)

And now go back and read my earlier comment about being careful in bringing out such studies as so many people don't seem to understand how to use the information, or not to use it.
 
2012-02-19 08:08:42 PM  
Please please please make Santorum the nominee!
 
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