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2012-02-19 06:23:07 PM
Doc Lee: IronTom: I'm sure most teachers do love America, conservative or not. The ultra-leftist ones sort of seem to like other things more. Have no citations.

Conservatives hate America and hate Americans. Not a day goes by that the conservatives don't wish and pray for an American city to be nuked. It's a major part of their policy platform. Not a day goes by where conservatives don't wish that all centrists (or what you call "ultra-leftists" in your infinite ignorance) in the US were rounded up and executed. Not a day goes by where conservatives don't wish that centrists were stripped of their voting rights.

Conservatives are vile, disgusting, anti-Americans.


I bet you really believe that too.
 
2012-02-19 06:24:05 PM
I only teach liberal algebra at college. Take a look at my last exam:

If two trains leave the station at the same time, but traveling different directions, how many abortions must one have to pass this class?
 
2012-02-19 06:25:05 PM
Hobodeluxe: of course some of the Protestants think Catholics aren't real Christians either. But you won't see them say it on the campaign trail.

Never mind, now that I see the quote, I see it's something I came across yesterday.
 
2012-02-19 06:27:22 PM
AngryTeacher: I only teach liberal algebra at college. Take a look at my last exam:

If two trains leave the station at the same time, but traveling different directions, how many abortions must one have to pass this class?


Goddamn liberal Math teachers. I bet you're in league with the motherfarking Chemistry liberals too.

/Joking.
//This is what retards like Santorum actually believe.
 
2012-02-19 06:27:48 PM
Hey, college conservatives and those who work with them. This is what you think you are:

upload.wikimedia.org

This is how stupid you look:
4.bp.blogspot.com

And how stupid you sound:
Link (new window)
 
2012-02-19 06:29:52 PM
Hobodeluxe: AmorousRedDragon: Hobodeluxe:
Okay I was off on that a bit. It was from a 2008 speech. And the way he said it would pass right over the heads of most of the base. And Romney can't really do anything with it because he's a Mormon.

the actual quote was

"We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it."

of course some of the Protestants think Catholics aren't real Christians either. But you won't see them say it on the campaign trail.
FTFJ

Don't drag us into your cesspit, especially when you're lying about the Founding, you cock.
 
2012-02-19 06:30:04 PM
wademh: wademh:

When you think about it some, the conservative fear is that damned liberals have taken over universities and are indoctrinating the young. While your first reaction is likely that any liberal bias is actually the result of open thinking, and the exploration of of new ideas, which are themselves liberal qualities, consider the young conservative. They very often are victims of some brand of hero worship and indoctrination.

Further, if you look at liberals that likewise fall in for hero worship or zealously follow fads, these are the same type of folks the conservatives could be getting if they had stronger representation on campuses. In essence, the conservatives are right that they would benefit from having more access to people with that sort of character defect that bends them to authority-following behavior.

The thing you really want in a university is to get people to think for themselves, or at lest the ones smart enough to deserve to be in a university. What could be more effective at getting students to reject the polemics of their professors than to have a segment of professors required to have certain political opinions?


The dearth of conservative professors in the social sciences and humanities has nothing to do with "hero worship" any more than does the dearth of liberal professors in business schools.

Conservatives don't get more representation on campuses because they tend to be more anti-intellectual than liberals. Take that as you may, it is the fact of the matter.

wademh: The thing you really want in a university is to get people to think for themselves,

That may be what you want, but it is neither what a university is designed to do, nor what it actually does.

wademh: What could be more effective at getting students to reject the polemics of their professors than to have a segment of professors required to have certain political opinions?

Why have specialists and experts at all at this rate? That's beside the point that you then merely ensure that your prospective faculty would lie in the interview to get the job. Would there be periodic checks for ideological purity? On what basis? Who would conduct such checks?

Academia has always been more oriented toward liberal philosophy, and no ham-fisted big government approach is going to change that. All it would guarantee is the death of the university system.

When you think about it some

You need to think about it some more because what you are proposing makes no sense.
 
2012-02-19 06:30:52 PM
IronTom: Craptastic: IronTom: LectertheChef: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

10/10, That's some spiffy trolling you did there.

more like dipping your hand in the water and having piranhas bite it.

If you knew that there were piranha in the water, you'd only dip your hand in expecting to get bites.

Therefore, troll.
Therefore, plonk.

I don't mind having discussions with rightwingers, in fact I sometimes enjoy it. But you just outed yourself as a troll, so you get no attention from me. I'd encourage others to follow suit. The guy just admitted to trolling.

Yeah, whatever, you are calling me names. I'm just talking. You go right ahead. Putting a hand in the water is contributing to the discussion, not looking for bites at all.


Hey, I totally understand where you're coming from. You're just asking questions, man.

www.mediaite.com
 
2012-02-19 06:30:58 PM
TDBoedy: /can't believe the utter shiat pile of candidates that I have to choose from this time.

This time? Last time it was Romney, Santorum with a guitar and a less pissy disposition, and John McCain.
 
2012-02-19 06:31:43 PM
I Browse: As a point of reference...

What a conservative professor might look like:

[www.movieactors.com image 266x198]


i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-19 06:31:47 PM
IronTom: I bet you really believe that too.

One only needs to go to the official conservative media website FoxNews.com to see it every single day. The radical anti-Americanism from the conservatives is sickening and disgusting.
 
2012-02-19 06:34:22 PM
Yeah Ricky good idea. That'll shrink the government down to where it can't be drowned in the Atlantic ocean
 
2012-02-19 06:34:33 PM
GAT_00: That sounds like a gigantic government interference into personal lives. How very Republican.

Of course it is. That's why they're called "social conservatives." Where here have you been for the past twenty years?

"We're the new liberals of the Republican party. Can you imagine that?" -- Barry Goldwater to Bob Dole, 1994

"When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye." -- Barry Goldwater, 1994

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." -- Barry Goldwater, 2006
 
2012-02-19 06:34:55 PM
gimmegimme: Hey, college conservatives and those who work with them. This is what you think you are:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x197]

This is how stupid you look:
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 375x317]

And how stupid you sound:
Link (new window)


T-Pain just watched that video and said "dial back the autotune, lady".

/And Molotov Mitchell really has no idea of meter
 
2012-02-19 06:36:07 PM
sendtodave: GAT_00: That sounds like a gigantic government interference into personal lives. How very Republican.

Of course it is. That's why they're called "social conservatives." Where here have you been for the past twenty years?

"We're the new liberals of the Republican party. Can you imagine that?" -- Barry Goldwater to Bob Dole, 1994

"When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye." -- Barry Goldwater, 1994

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." -- Barry Goldwater, 2006


i276.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-19 06:37:17 PM
demaL-demaL-yeH: Hobodeluxe: AmorousRedDragon: Hobodeluxe:
Okay I was off on that a bit. It was from a 2008 speech. And the way he said it would pass right over the heads of most of the base. And Romney can't really do anything with it because he's a Mormon.

the actual quote was

"We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it."

of course some of the Protestants think Catholics aren't real Christians either. But you won't see them say it on the campaign trail. FTFJ

Don't drag us into your cesspit, especially when you're lying about the Founding, you cock.


/Not directed at Hobodeluxe. Sorry.
//Cesspit of Santorum. I want to everybody to stay out of it, not just Jews.
 
2012-02-19 06:37:47 PM
The reason most professors aren't conservative is because most people with quaternary degrees aren't conservative (excluding MBAs).


This is essentially affirmative action for dumb people.
 
2012-02-19 06:37:52 PM
The Republican version of how to make government smaller.

1. Cut education. Result the uneducated can't be employed and starve and die.
2. Ramp up defense spending and start lots of costly wars. More people die.
3. Cut out all medicare and medicaid. Result more death and despair.
4. Gut Social Security. After all grandma and grandpa are close to death anyway after we took the medicare away.
5. Tax the poor to pay for the wars until they can't even afford food and decent shelter. DEATH DEATH DEATH.
6. Allow speculators to pump the price of Gasoline and heating fuel to outrageous prices. More people die.
7. Close the FDA and EPA after all the free market can decide who's products kill the least amount of people.

Now that all those people have died we can make government smaller because there are
less people to serve. TADA small government.
 
2012-02-19 06:38:15 PM
gimmegimme: And how stupid you sound:

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.
 
2012-02-19 06:38:23 PM
AngryTeacher: I only teach liberal algebra at college. Take a look at my last exam:

If two trains leave the station at the same time, but traveling different directions, how many abortions must one have to pass this class?


Oh please, you know liberal algebra has no tests, as liberals don't believe in testing. We just give grades based on skin color, sexual orientation, and political leanings. All conservatives get Fs and all black gay native american liberals get A++++++'s.
 
2012-02-19 06:40:46 PM
AngryTeacher: I only teach liberal algebra at college. Take a look at my last exam:

If two trains leave the station at the same time, but traveling different directions, how many abortions must one have to pass this class?


A: x ≠ 0

Q: How many free riders are on the trains?
A: ∞.
 
2012-02-19 06:41:47 PM
gimmegimme: IronTom: Craptastic: IronTom: LectertheChef: IronTom: There should be a certain large percentage of teachers at each school that actually loves America.

10/10, That's some spiffy trolling you did there.

more like dipping your hand in the water and having piranhas bite it.

If you knew that there were piranha in the water, you'd only dip your hand in expecting to get bites.

Therefore, troll.
Therefore, plonk.

I don't mind having discussions with rightwingers, in fact I sometimes enjoy it. But you just outed yourself as a troll, so you get no attention from me. I'd encourage others to follow suit. The guy just admitted to trolling.

Yeah, whatever, you are calling me names. I'm just talking. You go right ahead. Putting a hand in the water is contributing to the discussion, not looking for bites at all.

Hey, I totally understand where you're coming from. You're just asking questions, man.

[www.mediaite.com image 336x187]


been a while since I have seen that episode, but the first letters of the right column of words spells "smurfs", was that part of the bit?
 
2012-02-19 06:42:30 PM
i.imgur.com

Savor the sight of of people loving, these sights will be against the law since "the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex" thinks it's offensive.
 
2012-02-19 06:44:52 PM
ultraholland: Remember, 40% of your fellow citizens believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis. We're a pack of idiots.

They claim to literally believe. No one, Jewish or Christian, literally believes there are actual swinging gates in Heaven that open up to dump floodwaters on people--they all know about the water cycle. Every Christian uses the New Testament as a lens to read backwards into the Tanakh. Its not a literal reading. They claim it is, but its clearly an unsupportable claim.
 
2012-02-19 06:45:26 PM
Dialectic: [i.imgur.com image 640x353]

Savor the sight of of people loving, these sights will be against the law since "the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex" thinks it's offensive.


Don't worry, cute lesbians will still be able to make porn.

Ugly lesbians... well, who cares about ugly lesbians?
 
2012-02-19 06:45:54 PM
Dialectic: [i.imgur.com image 640x353]

Savor the sight of of people loving, these sights will be against the law since "the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex" thinks it's offensive.




There's always something wonderful about seeing lesbians with AIDS ribbons, as they're the only segment of the population virtually unaffected by AIDS.

It's the definition of altruism.
 
2012-02-19 06:46:11 PM
Santorum is a fiscal socialist and Newt quitting now will be a disaster. Santorum is part of the Rove Establishment and entered the race in order to be Mitt's VP. He would have quit after SC or FL but for the unexpected victory of Newt in SC. Now it looks like he has to pretend that he is against Mitt and will be the VP nominee only as a result of a brokered convention.

this is what freepers actually believe
 
2012-02-19 06:47:06 PM
demaL-demaL-yeH: //Cesspit of Santorum.

I'm pretty sure a plumber will charge extra to fix that mess!
 
2012-02-19 06:50:36 PM
This doesn't seem very small-government of him.

Maybe he should just start urging conservatives to attach magnetic bombs to liberal professor's cars.

It would be much more fiscally-responsible.
 
2012-02-19 06:51:56 PM
saintstryfe: AngryTeacher: I only teach liberal algebra at college. Take a look at my last exam:

If two trains leave the station at the same time, but traveling different directions, how many abortions must one have to pass this class?

Oh please, you know liberal algebra has no tests, as liberals don't believe in testing. We just give grades based on skin color, sexual orientation, and political leanings. All conservatives get Fs and all black gay native american liberals get A++++++'s.


www.teufelaffe.com
"I'm sorry, but naked, fat, black, crippled dykes are hard to come by!"
 
2012-02-19 06:52:30 PM
culebra: wademh: wademh:

When you think about it some, the conservative fear is that damned liberals have taken over universities and are indoctrinating the young. While your first reaction is likely that any liberal bias is actually the result of open thinking, and the exploration of of new ideas, which are themselves liberal qualities, consider the young conservative. They very often are victims of some brand of hero worship and indoctrination.

Further, if you look at liberals that likewise fall in for hero worship or zealously follow fads, these are the same type of folks the conservatives could be getting if they had stronger representation on campuses. In essence, the conservatives are right that they would benefit from having more access to people with that sort of character defect that bends them to authority-following behavior.

The thing you really want in a university is to get people to think for themselves, or at lest the ones smart enough to deserve to be in a university. What could be more effective at getting students to reject the polemics of their professors than to have a segment of professors required to have certain political opinions?

culebra:
The dearth of conservative professors in the social sciences and humanities has nothing to do with "hero worship" any more than does the dearth of liberal professors in business schools.


You don't read so good. I did not attribute the dearth of conservative professors to hero worship.


culebra:
Conservatives don't get more representation on campuses because they tend to be more anti-intellectual than liberals. Take that as you may, it is the fact of the matter.


Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.
And some of your really flighty bubbleheads are very liberal and non-antiintellectual. Look at homeopaths, militant vegans, crystal power affectionados. More types of people reject science than creationists.

No, The bias towards liberal versus conservative in univerisities is not at all due to anti-intellectualism. Social mobility is far more the key.


wademh: The thing you really want in a university is to get people to think for themselves,

culebra:
That may be what you want, but it is neither what a university is designed to do, nor what it actually does.


Really depends on the university I guess. And I think the trend has shifted away from independence of thought (which is really conservative values breaking into universities) but three decades ago it was true enough. If you really want to find a defining difference between liberal and conservative thought, liberal thought promotes independent thinking, conservationism does not.
 
2012-02-19 06:52:48 PM
sparkeyjames: The Republican version of how to make government smaller.

1. Cut education. Result the uneducated can't be employed and starve and die.
2. Ramp up defense spending and start lots of costly wars. More people die.
3. Cut out all medicare and medicaid. Result more death and despair.
4. Gut Social Security. After all grandma and grandpa are close to death anyway after we took the medicare away.
5. Tax the poor to pay for the wars until they can't even afford food and decent shelter. DEATH DEATH DEATH.
6. Allow speculators to pump the price of Gasoline and heating fuel to outrageous prices. More people die.
7. Close the FDA and EPA after all the free market can decide who's products kill the least amount of people.

Now that all those people have died we can make government smaller because there are
less people to serve. TADA small government.


all while claiming to be pro-life. they aren't pro-life at all. they're pro-fetus. and only because it's contrary to "liberal" ideology
 
2012-02-19 06:53:00 PM
sendtodave: Dialectic: [i.imgur.com image 640x353]

Savor the sight of of people loving, these sights will be against the law since "the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex" thinks it's offensive.

Don't worry, cute lesbians will still be able to make porn.

Ugly lesbians... well, who cares about ugly lesbians?


Santorum thinks non-reproductive, extra-marital sex should be outlawed. Do you really think he'd let porn (legally) exist?
 
2012-02-19 06:55:30 PM
Bungles: There's always something wonderful about seeing lesbians with AIDS ribbons, as they're the only segment of the population virtually unaffected by AIDS.

Not only HIV - but pretty much any sexual transmitted disease. Of course - it takes until at least the 9th date for two lesbians to negotiate having sex. Whereas us gay men negotiate the first date after we fark each other.

/saves time
 
2012-02-19 06:56:11 PM
Yep, there are lots of liberals in academia. There are lots of conservatives, too. There are even more who aren't aligned in either direction, prefering to think and decide for themselves. Not sure about all colleges, but those that I know of through experience all have as their goal to teach students to think for themselves.
 
2012-02-19 06:56:55 PM
theorellior: gimmegimme: And how stupid you sound:

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.


My favorite verse is from Constitution Kate, who would be cute if she weren't a fascist.

I love that she complains about the country being stuck in Iraq, even though that was done by her heroes, and then tells us she's "sick of smelling like a mosque after Ramadan." She truly has a beautiful soul.
 
2012-02-19 06:58:27 PM
"Mr. Santorum! The Obama Administration sent more paint!"

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-02-19 06:59:34 PM
Ed Finnerty: "Mr. Santorum! The Obama Administration sent more paint!"

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x265]


Seriously. What the hell does Santorum think he can tell the real media if he wins the nomination? "I was only kidding? Baby, baby, I was...only kidding?"
 
2012-02-19 07:01:11 PM
LordJiro:
Santorum thinks non-reproductive, extra-marital sex should be outlawed. Do you really think he'd let porn (legally) exist?


Of course not. Why should he? Being black market is part of what makes porn fun!

'Cause it's a sin.
 
2012-02-19 07:03:33 PM
That is one thing you might've noticed I don't complain about: Politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. But where do the people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities. and they're elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do, folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out! If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, if you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you are gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders. The term limits ain't gonna do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So maybe, maybe, maybe it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here. Like... the public. Yeah. The public sucks! There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: "The public sucks, fark hope!" fark hope.
 
2012-02-19 07:03:49 PM
Too really mess with Santorum someone should point out that generally muslims are more conservative that other immigrants so we should make it a priority to help as many arabs immigrate as possible so as to offset the number of latino votes democrats are getting. And then have a camera ready to capture the facial expression.
 
2012-02-19 07:03:49 PM
Have I mentioned that rightists are inherently authoritarian lately?

Because rightists are inherently authoritarian.
 
2012-02-19 07:08:09 PM
Ed Finnerty: "Mr. Santorum! The Obama Administration sent more paint!"

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x265]


This is too much Santorum.
 
2012-02-19 07:08:20 PM
I have this really neat narrative in my head where Ibram Gaunt somehow ends up in our world with functioning Imperial might in orbit. Would we be found wanting?
 
2012-02-19 07:08:44 PM
Is this the new Rick tRoll...

/Need someone poetic to rewrite the lyrics to fit
 
2012-02-19 07:10:03 PM
ActionJoe: How can even the craziest republicans support this?

This would increase government control over the people.
It would take away from states's rights to oversee how their public schools are run.

It's like the crazies completely forget about what they stand for when it comes to an issue that they want to happen no matter what.


And it really went off the deep end back in Nov 2008. I wonder what event could be correlated with the right wing loosing their collective mind?
 
2012-02-19 07:10:18 PM
wademh: You don't read so good.

That you write even worse doesn't help things much. This thread is about the ostensible lack of conservative professors and has nothing to do with any notion of hero worship. It simply doesn't belong in the conversation.

wademh: Anti-intellectuals tend toward conservatism but this does not mean conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual.

You say chicken, I say egg. We could argue this back and forth all day, but the truth of American conservatism and the anti-intellectualism it fosters remains.

wademh: And some of your really flighty bubbleheads are very liberal and non-antiintellectual. Look at homeopaths, militant vegans, crystal power affectionados.

And most of these people defy political classification. They're crazy, not liberal. It can be proven statistically that liberals seek out and complete courses of higher education more often. This isn't the case with a statement like the one above. That's your own unverifiable opinion.

wademh: Really depends on the university I guess.

How many university mission statements read: "...to create people capable of thinking for themselves."? Let's not conflate this with the development of critical thinking skills, which is actually a byproduct of a process of specialization, and which most post-secondary courses strive to promote.

Anyhow. Judging by your vague understanding of secondary education, horrific spelling, and disjointed reasoning, I'd guess you're a bored undergrad with some ax or another to grind. Get back to work. I have articles to compose.
 
2012-02-19 07:10:48 PM
gimmegimme: Ed Finnerty: "Mr. Santorum! The Obama Administration sent more paint!"

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x265]

Seriously. What the hell does Santorum think he can tell the real media if he wins the nomination? "I was only kidding? Baby, baby, I was...only kidding?"


"I'm an entertainer!"
 
2012-02-19 07:12:42 PM
Have you guys ever considered that maybe Americans deserve Santorum, huh?
 
2012-02-19 07:14:08 PM
Gergesa: Too really mess with Santorum someone should point out that generally muslims are more conservative that other immigrants so we should make it a priority to help as many arabs immigrate as possible so as to offset the number of latino votes democrats are getting. And then have a camera ready to capture the facial expression.

The funny thing is the Latino community is largely conservative (by rational standards). They are hard working, family oriented, almost all of them are religious, and they typically live within their financial means no matter how meager. If the GOP wasn't such a bunch of bigoted jackasses the Latino voter block would be theirs.
 
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