And Santorum thinks it is the schools that are out of step with the modern era?

Really?

He truly is the gift that keeps on giving. Without Bachmann or Cain or Perry to f*ck the chickens, it looks like Rick has taken it upon himself to do their part and then some...

hubiestubert: He truly is the gift that keeps on giving. Without Bachmann or Cain or Perry to f*ck the chickens, it looks like Rick has taken it upon himself to do their part and then some...

THIS

Also look at the 26:30 point of the video below. He wants to force colleges and universities to hire college professors which he "certifies as conservative".

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WTF???

This is like something from the formative days of the Nazi party.

Perhaps he was projecting about himself.

Well, ignorant, uneducated, illiterate or barely literate masses are much more likely to believe in his holy book, and much easier to control as they then are more likely to believe the authorities "above" them who control and pass on "knowledge." So, I can totally see how he would be all for this. If information is controlled very tightly, he could get more people to follow his theology.

It's very totalitarian/theocratic of him, but well, that is who he is.

This guy is a nightmare, WTF is he doing at this level of national politics in the 21st Century. What the hell is happening to this country?

Jesus. The hits just keep on coming. It's like he's doubling down on the crazy, here. While I do agree with Nietzsche's assessment: "In large states public education will always be mediocre, for the same reason that in large kitchens the cooking is usually bad", this is just beyond the pale. And this guy is a GOP front-runner? Though I do notice Mittens is unusually quiet these days. His people know better than to interrupt an enemy when he's busy shooting himself in the foot.

NFA:
This is like something from the formative days of the Nazi party.

Except that the Nazi Party understood the importance of quality education and thought excellence in public schools was the most important domestic policy priority. (Well - second most important, if you count the batshiat insane genocide part as a domestic policy.) But you are correct in that they also required all teachers to be Party members, regularly scrutinized for purity of ideology.

WorldCitizen: This guy is a nightmare, WTF is he doing at this level of national politics in the 21st Century. What the hell is happening to this country?

Well, I ask that question a lot. Hitchens says that this is the beginning of the end for religion - that these politicians, the Tea Party, all this mess is the last great energy expenditure of any organism about to die. I'm not so certain about that - I think the current polarization of the religious, the anti-intellectualism, and so forth may be a natural response of the intellectually deficient to the increased pace of information delivery and decision-making requirements. In short, they can't keep up, so they cling to the familiar.

Just my own hypothesis, though. And it's not like the two are mutually exclusive.

WorldCitizen: This guy is a nightmare, WTF is he doing at this level of national politics in the 21st Century. What the hell is happening to this country?

Santorum is fairly representative of the views of a portion of Pennsylvania. I run into people all the time who really believe in his message, and think Santorum's policies should be the future of this country.

Understandably, I frequently have to suppress the urge to scream and go into convulsions while vomiting uncontrollably on everyone nearby.

The Ironic tag must be out confessing it's sins

Benevolent Misanthrope: WorldCitizen: This guy is a nightmare, WTF is he doing at this level of national politics in the 21st Century. What the hell is happening to this country?

Well, I ask that question a lot. Hitchens says that this is the beginning of the end for religion - that these politicians, the Tea Party, all this mess is the last great energy expenditure of any organism about to die. I'm not so certain about that - I think the current polarization of the religious, the anti-intellectualism, and so forth may be a natural response of the intellectually deficient to the increased pace of information delivery and decision-making requirements. In short, they can't keep up, so they cling to the familiar.

Just my own hypothesis, though. And it's not like the two are mutually exclusive.

Not necessarily about the waning of faith and religion, but about a waning of institutions that look for control and power.

One of the fastest growing ministries in the US are the Unitarian-Universalists. Why are they growing? Because they accept folks of any color, any background of faith be it pagan, be it atheist, be it Jew, be it Buddhist, be it Episcopalian, and make the discussion not about specifics of belief, but about what you do with it. Not that UUs aren't a contentious lot, but in the end, despite a lot of internal bickering between theists and atheists within, it comes down to what you actually do than the exactitude of those beliefs.

We are watching power structures shift. Be that to the Nichiren, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, to Congregationalists, to Islam, to Reform Judaism. There is shuffling, and folks who want power and who want cash from the faithful--and see the rise of Megachurches as an expression of that hope to exact cash from folks as a tax free ride--and the "War on Religion" that is being touted, is because there is a real fear of waning power. And waning revenues. So long as you can convince the folks who are left, who are looking at societal changes as scary things, that they are special and endangered, then you can keep them quiet, compliant, and continuing to give large amounts of dollars.

This is the real push. To convince folks that they are the special snowflakes who will "save" their faith. Despite the fact that they will get into bed with folks who don't give a rat's butt about them, or their faith, and who, in fact, really represent a complete 180 from the beliefs that you espouse. Even those who not too long ago, you were in bitter rivalry with. Protestants who feared the rise of a Catholic Kennedy are lining up to support a Catholic Santorum or Gingrich, because they are convenient at this moment, and given enough time and the right application of donor dollars, you will see folks in vibrant support of Imams and mosques as well, so long as they put their support behind the right initiatives to keep power and money flowing the "right" way.

WorldCitizen: This guy is a nightmare, WTF is he doing at this level of national politics in the 21st Century. What the hell is happening to this country?

I ask myself every day how on earth this guy has gotten a national platform. Saw him on Face the Nation this morning and it was just frightening. He thinks insurance companies shouldn't pay for amniocentesis because in his mind it just leads to women having abortions. I guess it's better for it to be a surprise that your child may be disabled.

He just scares the crap out of me.

pisceandreamer: WorldCitizen: This guy is a nightmare, WTF is he doing at this level of national politics in the 21st Century. What the hell is happening to this country?

I ask myself every day how on earth this guy has gotten a national platform. Saw him on Face the Nation this morning and it was just frightening. He thinks insurance companies shouldn't pay for amniocentesis because in his mind it just leads to women having abortions. I guess it's better for it to be a surprise that your child may be disabled.

He just scares the crap out of me.

Hoooly fark.

pisceandreamer: WorldCitizen: This guy is a nightmare, WTF is he doing at this level of national politics in the 21st Century. What the hell is happening to this country?

I ask myself every day how on earth this guy has gotten a national platform. Saw him on Face the Nation this morning and it was just frightening. He thinks insurance companies shouldn't pay for amniocentesis because in his mind it just leads to women having abortions. I guess it's better for it to be a surprise that your child may be disabled.

He just scares the crap out of me.

you think he's bad, you should meet the people who voted for him.

Weaver95:
Santorum is fairly representative of the views of a portion of Pennsylvania. I run into people all the time who really believe in his message,

I'd be OK with this if you were a truck.

FloydA: Weaver95:
Santorum is fairly representative of the views of a portion of Pennsylvania. I run into people all the time who really believe in his message,

I'd be OK with this if you were a truck.

WorldCitizen: Well, ignorant, uneducated, illiterate or barely literate masses are much more likely to believe in his holy book, and much easier to control as they then are more likely to believe the authorities "above" them who control and pass on "knowledge." So, I can totally see how he would be all for this. If information is controlled very tightly, he could get more people to follow his theology.

It's very totalitarian/theocratic of him, but well, that is who he is.

This guy is a nightmare, WTF is he doing at this level of national politics in the 21st Century. What the hell is happening to this country?

To be fair, he will take a drubbing at the polls with the same degree of dignity as the last time, though perhaps with more mugging to the crowd. Sadly, Palin has pretty much gifted that to the nation, though, to be fair, he doesn't have "reload" as any sort of campaign slogan--which, given his Google status, is probably a good thing...

FloydA: Weaver95:
Santorum is fairly representative of the views of a portion of Pennsylvania. I run into people all the time who really believe in his message,

I'd be OK with this if you were a truck.

On top of that, I think Gary would truly enjoy being a truck (bio-diesel, naturally). Not all the time, mind you, but when the occasion warrants. Or maybe it's like the hulk and he only turns into a truck when fascist religious zealots piss him off.

I've found Santorum's candidacy to be very helpful at quickly determining which of my fellow humans are worth investing time and effort into and which -- those who say "Only Rick Santorum reflects MY values" -- should be treated like one treats a meth-addicted retard armed with a malfunctioning flamethrower.

CapnBlues: If what he meant is that we have a one-size-fits-all approach to education, with minimal emphasis on vocational and technical education and an assumption that every student will reach above-average capability and then go on to college, I would agree with him. But I know that's not what he means. He means that wimmin should stay home and teach the kids while pumping out more and more babies, and then the rich families can send their kids to public schools. His plan is nothing short of eliminating the middle class and returning to feudalism.

Actually, I think he would be more in favor of all people, rich or poor, ponying up to send their kids to Catholic school for religious indoctrination as a part of their education process. Or for religion to be pushed in public schools - I'm sure he would install a priest as Chaplain in every school if he could, actually.

CapnBlues: Benevolent Misanthrope: CapnBlues: If what he meant is that we have a one-size-fits-all approach to education, with minimal emphasis on vocational and technical education and an assumption that every student will reach above-average capability and then go on to college, I would agree with him. But I know that's not what he means. He means that wimmin should stay home and teach the kids while pumping out more and more babies, and then the rich families can send their kids to public schools. His plan is nothing short of eliminating the middle class and returning to feudalism.

Actually, I think he would be more in favor of all people, rich or poor, ponying up to send their kids to Catholic school for religious indoctrination as a part of their education process. Or for religion to be pushed in public schools - I'm sure he would install a priest as Chaplain in every school if he could, actually.

eh, that would imply that he wanted poor kids to get anything like an education. it's much more expedient for him to just push for a completely two-tier society of serfs and nobles. what makes a noble is precisely what made a noble in the dark ages -- who has the most strength to protect his serfs. That strength is inherited down a family line, and there is almost zero social and economic mobility. It's stable, and it lasted a lot longer than our democracy has. Plus it enables you to really subjugated women and force everyone to live the way you want them to.

So does religious indoctrination, with the added bonus that religious indoctrination makes people think it's their own idea. In all seriousness, I think he's far more interested in religious comformity than in anything else.

What an anachronism might look like:

hubiestubert: it comes down to what you actually do than the exactitude of those beliefs.

So... it's not who you are inside, but what you do that defines you?

Santorum should adopt some easily identifiable symbol that would quickly and accurately tell whoever sees it what he truly believes

/maybe something like a cross, but, you know, different

CapnBlues: If what he meant is that we have a one-size-fits-all approach to education,

Mine didn't involve a one-size fit all approach. Then again, as I begin to meet people who are the product of private schools outside of New England, I start to wonder if Massachusetts public schools aren't just the exception.

ib_thinkin: hubiestubert: it comes down to what you actually do than the exactitude of those beliefs.

So... it's not who you are inside, but what you do that defines you?

Faith without works is dead, I think would be more accurate. What you believe isn't as important as doing your best to do good in this world..

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Santorum should adopt some easily identifiable symbol that would quickly and accurately tell whoever sees it what he truly believes

/maybe something like a cross, but, you know, different

Maybe like a double cross?

Benevolent Misanthrope: ib_thinkin: hubiestubert: it comes down to what you actually do than the exactitude of those beliefs.

So... it's not who you are inside, but what you do that defines you?

Faith without works is dead, I think would be more accurate. What you believe isn't as important as doing your best to do good in this world..

unless of course you're a prosperity gospel type. then 'good' is largely defined by how much money you make. what you do with that money is irrelevent. the point is that you get rich and stay that way.

Weaver95: Benevolent Misanthrope: ib_thinkin: hubiestubert: it comes down to what you actually do than the exactitude of those beliefs.

So... it's not who you are inside, but what you do that defines you?

Faith without works is dead, I think would be more accurate. What you believe isn't as important as doing your best to do good in this world..

unless of course you're a prosperity gospel type. then 'good' is largely defined by how much money you make. what you do with that money is irrelevent. the point is that you get rich and stay that way.

We were discussing UU beliefs, not comparative nutjobbery. But your point about the prosperity gospel folks is accurate.

Benevolent Misanthrope: We were discussing UU beliefs, not comparative nutjobbery. But your point about the prosperity gospel folks is accurate.

To quote Our Chosen Path: in a Unitarian Universalist church revelation is an ongoing process. It isn't about disciples so much as folks who can use their minds and tap their souls. It is a process of learning, of comparing, or arguing, of evaluating, of seeking. There isn't a single path, but many, and often the roads you travel, even the ones that come up short, teach you something. In the UUs, the journey is equally important to the destination.

The sad Part he is young enough to run again, and again, and again.

Let me get this straight, the guy of THIS family is calling something an anachronism?



They guy who is against contraception.

We already have that/ They're called the Kock Brothers. If you as a university want their donations, you have to give them final say over who gets hired.