If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Courier-Journal)   How was the Van Halen kick off tour last night? Depends   (courier-journal.com) divider line 151
    More: Cool, KFC Yum, Matt Stone, Louisville Courier-Journal, Eddie Van Halen, Kinks, gallery  
•       •       •

11302 clicks; posted to Entertainment » on 19 Feb 2012 at 1:27 PM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



151 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-02-20 02:54:30 AM
When did Chaz Bono get hired as bassist for Van Halen?
 
2012-02-20 03:06:59 AM

STRYPERSWINE: Eddie Van Halen is one of the most important and influential guitarists of all time. A mad genius.


And that's really the point. "Better" or "best" is purely subjective and can be argued about as effectively as you can argue about your favorite color. But objectively, we can look back and see where the real groundbreaking occurred. If you look over the names of guitarists who actually changed the face of the instrument - i.e. music that came after them was heavily influenced by them for long stretches of time, perhaps forever - guitarists like Jimi and Eddie have to peak near the top of everyone's chart. They showed us how things that couldn't be done could be done, and introduced us to sonic landscapes the likes of which we'd never heard before.

Remember, it's not just about technical accomplishment, in fact I'd argue it's not even mostly about that. I can play Eddie Van Halen solos; does that mean I'm as good a guitar player and musician as Eddie? Not on your life - I didn't write any of it, and all I've done is learn what somebody else already did. The creative force is what really matters, and when it comes to effortless innovation on an instrument, EVH is a poster child. To the poster who didn't understand the popularity of Van Halen, this is what it's all about.

I haven't been in awe of EVH because he plays so spectacularly as I have been because he thought to play so spectacularly. He showed us all that things we thought were impossible, were not. BTW, the latest album has Eddie in absolute top form. If he's had personal problems lately, they do not come through in his playing at all.
 
2012-02-20 03:07:32 AM

madman370: Le Bomb Suprize: Mugato: 182: In before the "No Michael Anthony, No Van Halen" crowd.

And Eddie's at least one of the top 10 guitarists of all time.

Obviously an opinion so no right or wrong but I take issue with this statement.

Tony Iomi
Jimmy Page
Michael Schaenker
Ritchie Blackmore
Rory Gallager
Jimi Hendrix
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Alex Liefson
Randy Rhodes
Angus Young
Eric Clapton

I think all are quite superior to EVH and that's just off the top of my head without giving it a second thought.

If you knew anything about guitar, you certainly wouldn't have Angus Young in the top 10. Seriously, not even top 100. Maybe not top 500. Tony Iommi had a mutilated hand and was seriously sloppy. Jimmy Page was a great writer and talented player but could never play the same thing twice. In fact, for your list, I'll only give you credit for Alex and Stevie. Otherwise, this just isn't good at all.


Hell I would put Ace over Angus.
 
2012-02-20 03:33:50 AM

9beers: What about Yngwie Malmsteen?


Yngwie Malmsteen is a phenomenal guitarist....but a terrible musician.

Also, Randy Rhoads was better than EVH (just by a hair - by virtue of his serious study of classical guitar, his brought an element to the instrument that Eddie did not possess (though influenced early by classical music by virtue of his upbringing, Eddie's style is firmly rooted in the blues whereas Randy could (and often did) draw on his knowledge of Corelli, Handl or Bach.

It's a minor point though - both of them changed the way the guitar was played by their peers as well as those that came after them (which not many musicians, regardless of their skill or talent can accomplish - it puts them on par with Hendrix as far as impact on modern technique)
 
2012-02-20 03:37:33 AM
You're all full of crap. The top 5 best guitarists of all time are

The Great Kat
Craig Chaquico
C.C. Deville
John Sykes
Keith Jarrett
 
2012-02-20 04:35:30 AM
Seriously, what's with the hate for Angus? I'm honestly puzzled. I can see leaving him off the top ten or even top 20, but if you're giving guitarists credit for creativity as well as technical proficiency, I'd think his songwriting and performances on Back In Black alone would qualify him as one of the all time top 100 greatest rock guitarists.
 
2012-02-20 05:33:04 AM
Van Halen were and are objectively shiat. Seriously, it's like you lot never heard any decent guitarists. Eddie Van Halen? Hendrix? Page? fark off and listen to some decent music. It's like you never heard of Robin Guthrie or Michael Brook. Those are imaginative musicians with their own style. The guitarists you like are nothing more than musical masturbators. Also, the opinion of anyone who rates Clapton is automatically invalid.
 
2012-02-20 06:12:55 AM

Corn_Fed: You're all full of crap. The top 5 best guitarists of all time are

The Great Kat
Craig Chaquico
C.C. Deville
John Sykes
Keith Jarrett


LMAO
 
2012-02-20 06:54:59 AM

SDRR: Corn_Fed: You're all full of crap. The top 5 best guitarists of all time are

The Great Kat
Craig Chaquico
C.C. Deville
John Sykes
Keith Jarrett

LMAO


What, you mean you don't think his work on Unskinny Bop isn't legendary?
 
2012-02-20 07:14:03 AM
Oh look, this thread again: "Your favorite color sucks!"

dragonhead: Also, the opinion of anyone who rates Clapton is automatically invalid.


On this we agree.
 
2012-02-20 07:40:50 AM

SDRR:
C.C. Deville


LMAO



And yet you didn't even question The Great Kat??
 
2012-02-20 08:03:45 AM
All this ranting and raving about great guitarists, but not a whiff of Skolnick, Holt or Oliva?

i114.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-20 08:07:37 AM
www.philkellogg.com

Laughs at your lists.
 
2012-02-20 08:15:54 AM

aNihilV10L8tr: You know garfield minus garfield? I like to listen to runnin with the devil and tune out the main vocals, and just listen to it with the weird screetches and howls the DLR throws in.


Once you realize Dave does all that because he cannot handle the idea you haven't noticed him for 3 seconds he becomes very difficult to listen to.

And, yes, I am serious.
 
2012-02-20 08:48:10 AM
Brian Setzer
 
2012-02-20 08:54:15 AM
There's a lot of intelligent discourse in this thread, but hands down, THIS...

rfeick0: Hagar arguably owes much of his popularity to the trench-work Roth did with the band prior to his departure in '85.


Is the dumbest damn thing I've read in a loooong time.
 
2012-02-20 09:45:22 AM
For all the Clapton lovers:
SRV could eat Clapton for lunch.
 
2012-02-20 09:45:54 AM

STRYPERSWINE: 4. Dave's lyrics are definitely more clever than Sammy Hagar's, but I'm still on Team Sammy/Mike in this whole split.


You mean you don't like "Only time will tell if we stand the test of time"?

TiredWings

Not to jack a VH thread but I gotta ask... Any connection?
 
2012-02-20 09:49:53 AM

aNihilV10L8tr: You know garfield minus garfield? I like to listen to runnin with the devil and tune out the main vocals, and just listen to it with the weird screetches and howls the DLR throws in.


Then you will hate this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNJNCazmNnI (new window)
 
2012-02-20 09:56:12 AM

CravenMorehead: Al DiMeola


QFT
 
2012-02-20 10:07:41 AM
No spot for Roy Clark?
 
2012-02-20 10:08:46 AM
On topic: I'm not going to see VH. I don't believe they're coming to Omaha and it's not worth the money to see them in KC if they go there.

On side topic:

Top 10 Guitarists in the Public Eye: Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Duane Allman, Eddie Van Halen, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, and Randy Rhodes. These guys will show up on every blog's, website's or magazine's top guitarists list forever and ever.
 
2012-02-20 10:30:47 AM
Robert Johnson (if we're going to talk about people being influential)
David Gilmour (like Clapton, a matter of content rather than technique)
I don't mean that these guitarists are somehow "better" than EVH, but I would rather listen to them. Hell, given that criterion, I should list Carrie Brownstein, too.
 
2012-02-20 11:21:10 AM

FailOut08: "KFC Yum! Center" ---- this really makes my heart barf with indignation for some reason.


I can't wait to see them at the McDonald's I'm Lovin' It! Amphitheater.
 
kab
2012-02-20 12:02:55 PM

hokiethug1992: What, you mean you don't think his work on Unskinny Bop isn't legendary?


I was very briefly in a band with a guitarist who, in all seriousness, thought that "Talk Dirty to Me" was one of the best guitar parts ever written.

It takes all kinds, I suppose.

Notably good, tasty guitarists not mentioned (I won't say "best", because it's moronic to assert such things)

Guthrie Govan
Mike Akerfeldt
Derek Trucks
 
2012-02-20 12:55:46 PM
Here's one for the top-ten list purists: Lindsey Buckingham. Haven't seen his name mentioned, and my father always singled him out as a guitarist he was impressed by, for his play style and skill. Where does he fit in here?

Or, for that matter, what about John Petrucci of Dream Theater? Or is he more in the category of the names above who are technically proficient, but not really "inventive" enough?
 
2012-02-20 01:19:47 PM

pwn3d781: Lindsey Buckingham


True. I was about to say he's probably the most underrated guitarist in my lifetime but then I remembered Eddie Hazel
 
2012-02-20 01:36:48 PM
Even tho he's a giant douchbag right now and thinking with the wrong head, I think Neal Schon is pretty up there on the top 10 guitarists.
 
2012-02-20 01:39:43 PM
kab:
I was very briefly in a band with a guitarist who, in all seriousness, thought that "Talk Dirty to Me" was one of the best guitar parts ever written.


That solo is brilliant for the simple fact that it actually sounds like CC Deville singing that part.
 
2012-02-20 01:51:38 PM
funk_soul_bubby:
TiredWings

Not to jack a VH thread but I gotta ask... Any connection?

THEY.farkIN.ROCKED
 
2012-02-20 01:57:26 PM

AngelFan63: Even tho he's a giant douchbag right now and thinking with the wrong head, I think Neal Schon is pretty up there on the top 10 guitarists.


From what I understand, he's pretty much always been a giant douchebag and thinks with the wrong head. But he is an amazing guitarist when he's not playing "Don't Stop Believing" and the like.
 
2012-02-20 02:05:11 PM

9beers: Churchy LaFemme: Never understood the popularity of Van Halen...

How about you tell us some of your favorite bands?


You've probably never heard of them.
 
2012-02-20 02:21:21 PM

SDRR: funk_soul_bubby:
TiredWings

Not to jack a VH thread but I gotta ask... Any connection?

THEY.farkIN.ROCKED


Yeah, it's where I stole my nick from . They were three chords and a cloud of dust rock n roll. Dude died too young.
 
2012-02-20 02:22:48 PM

Mugato: 182: In before the "No Michael Anthony, No Van Halen" crowd.

I wouldn't say there's no Van Halen without Michael Anthony, the band is all Edward but he did provide the band's background vocals sound. And Eddie's at least one of the top 10 guitarists of all time.


No, he isn't. Eddie changed the way guitar was played in popular rock music, and he's a decent player for sure. But all he really does in his solos is tapping, which players like Jeff Beck had been doing long before Eddie hit the scene.

I don't dislike Van Halen, but to say that Eddie cracks the top 10 is flat out wrong.
 
2012-02-20 02:26:20 PM

dragonhead: Van Halen were and are objectively shiat. Seriously, it's like you lot never heard any decent guitarists. Eddie Van Halen? Hendrix? Page? fark off and listen to some decent music. It's like you never heard of Robin Guthrie or Michael Brook. Those are imaginative musicians with their own style. The guitarists you like are nothing more than musical masturbators. Also, the opinion of anyone who rates Clapton is automatically invalid.


Ahh, I was wondering when "that guy" was going to make an appearance.
 
2012-02-20 02:45:18 PM
I saw Van Halen play in Seattle a few years ago on the reunion tour. It wasn't that good, to be honest. They were just all over the place, not very coordinated, and overall it was a stiff performance.
 
2012-02-20 02:47:31 PM
Sorry but EVH is definitely not in the top 10 best guitarists. He's a one-trick pony, and fretboard tapping just isn't that interesting anymore. As for the Michael Anthony thing, personally I think Alex and Eddie are complete douchebags for tossing the guy under the bus in favor of Ed's mildly talented butterball of a kid. Seriously, the guy devotes 30 years of his life to one band, and he gets replaced on a whim as soon as the Corpulence Kid is old enuough to go on tour without having to deal with child labor laws? That is crap, man.
 
2012-02-20 02:48:33 PM
Rock is basically divided into:
Pre-Jimi and Post-Jimi
and Pre-Eddie and Post-Eddie

To say EVH isn't in the top ten is quite astonishing.
 
2012-02-20 03:02:00 PM

Snapper Carr: pwn3d781: Lindsey Buckingham

True. I was about to say he's probably the most underrated guitarist in my lifetime but then I remembered Eddie Hazel


Add Jimmy Nolan and Ernie Isley to that list.
 
2012-02-20 03:09:19 PM

STRYPERSWINE: To say EVH isn't in the top ten is quite astonishing.


I think Eddie is amazing. A great guitarist. Not the best "technically", but still incredible. However he is given credit for inventing a style of playing that existed before him. The question is if you don't invent something, but it becomes mainstream because of you should you get the credit for it?

Vai can play anything Eddie can, but doesn't get nearly as much love. YM, Nuno, Reb Beach, and many others are "technically" better than EVH, but none of them were as mainstream. Sad that one of the best guitarists of the last 20 years was in Winger (of all bands), but RB is incredible.
 
2012-02-20 03:42:59 PM

TiredWings: SDRR: funk_soul_bubby:
TiredWings

Not to jack a VH thread but I gotta ask... Any connection?

THEY.farkIN.ROCKED

Yeah, it's where I stole my nick from . They were three chords and a cloud of dust rock n roll. Dude died too young.



Amen
 
2012-02-20 05:01:36 PM

Robert1966:
David Gilmour (like Clapton, a matter of content rather than technique)


Gilmour has plenty of technique. His use of vibrato and string bending is legendary.
He developed a style that even today is still uniquely his own. He may not be the fastest
guitarist on the planet but as Dave Mustaine said "David Gilmour can do more with one note
than most guitar players can do with the whole fretboard".
 
2012-02-20 05:19:27 PM
theselvedgeyard.files.wordpress.com

www.pastemagazine.com



collider.com



www.examiner.com



newspaper.li


Technical-shmenical. It's not how good you can play; it's what you do with it. Ed Van Halen changed the whole game when they dropped the first album.

STRYPERSWINE: Rock is basically divided into:
Pre-Jimi and Post-Jimi
and Pre-Eddie and Post-Eddie

To say EVH isn't in the top ten is quite astonishing.



This is about the most sensible post in this thread, aside from:

H31N0US: Oh look, this thread again: "Your favorite color sucks!"

 
2012-02-20 05:31:58 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: Mugato: Le Bomb Suprize: I'll not let some garage band guitarist try to tell me my opinion is invalid since I "know nothing about guitar".

Yeah you will.

Don't you have to get ready for that wedding reception gig at the Holiday Inn? I'm sure you can work that "Eruption" cover you've been working on into the mix.


Close, he's working the Armada Room at the Holiday Inn:

www.bluesbrotherscentral.com

/Quando
//Quando
///Quando
 
2012-02-21 01:01:57 AM

bofkentucky: aNihilV10L8tr: You know garfield minus garfield? I like to listen to runnin with the devil and tune out the main vocals, and just listen to it with the weird screetches and howls the DLR throws in.

Then you will hate this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNJNCazmNnI (new window)


That was absolutely hilarious. So is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmN3cZFxWhY (new window)
 
2012-02-21 04:35:24 AM

lisarenee3505: Sorry but EVH is definitely not in the top 10 best guitarists. He's a one-trick pony, and fretboard tapping just isn't that interesting anymore. As for the Michael Anthony thing, personally I think Alex and Eddie are complete douchebags for tossing the guy under the bus in favor of Ed's mildly talented butterball of a kid. Seriously, the guy devotes 30 years of his life to one band, and he gets replaced on a whim as soon as the Corpulence Kid is old enuough to go on tour without having to deal with child labor laws? That is crap, man.


From what I've read I am shocked Mike didn't walk away from VH years sooner. Eddie and Alex were cutting him out of band merchandise, appearance, and songwriting profits for years. The last tour he did he was told to sign a contract that included no merch money at all or he would be kicked from the band.

/As far as singers go, although Sammy had a penchant for stupid ballads, he rocks so much harder than vaudevillian idiot Dave. Not to mention he used to play rhythm guitar for the band where Dave would just rub his crotch on the mike stand.

//Chickenfoot FTW
 
2012-02-21 05:51:47 AM
ITT: People who can't spell the names of famous guitarists....
 
2012-02-21 07:07:46 PM

rocky_howard: SharkTrager: TiredWings: Dave was Dave ( and missed a lot of high notes, but I've been told by those that know, that he has always missed those)

One of the things Eddie has said I bet he currently wishes he hadn't was that one major benefit to having Sammy instead of Dave was that he didn't have to worry as much about the singer's range.

Haha it works both ways, which is why he said it I think:

1.- Diamond Dave has range but oversteps his boundaries due to his enormous ego and fails miserably at the ultrahigh notes.

2.- Sammy Hagar has zero range so he writes the songs taking into account his capabilities.


Sammy has "zero" range? Really? I suppose that explains why he's been such a complete failure in the music business.
 
2012-02-21 09:38:53 PM

Farktastic: lisarenee3505: Sorry but EVH is definitely not in the top 10 best guitarists. He's a one-trick pony, and fretboard tapping just isn't that interesting anymore. As for the Michael Anthony thing, personally I think Alex and Eddie are complete douchebags for tossing the guy under the bus in favor of Ed's mildly talented butterball of a kid. Seriously, the guy devotes 30 years of his life to one band, and he gets replaced on a whim as soon as the Corpulence Kid is old enuough to go on tour without having to deal with child labor laws? That is crap, man.

From what I've read I am shocked Mike didn't walk away from VH years sooner. Eddie and Alex were cutting him out of band merchandise, appearance, and songwriting profits for years. The last tour he did he was told to sign a contract that included no merch money at all or he would be kicked from the band.

/As far as singers go, although Sammy had a penchant for stupid ballads, he rocks so much harder than vaudevillian idiot Dave. Not to mention he used to play rhythm guitar for the band where Dave would just rub his crotch on the mike stand.

//Chickenfoot FTW


How do you make Joe Satriani sound like every other guitar player in the world? Team him up with Sammy Hagar.
 
2012-02-22 07:14:50 PM

Churchy LaFemme: Never understood the popularity of Van Halen...


NKOTB ought to be touring soon enough. Will they work for you?
 
Displayed 50 of 151 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report