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2012-02-19 06:36:26 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: (with some spelling corrections and emphasis added)

Tony Iommi
Jimmy Page
Michael Schenker
Ritchie Blackmore
Rory Gallagher
JIMI HENDRIX
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Alex Lifeson
Randy Rhoads
Angus Young
Eric Clapton


madman370:
If you knew anything about guitar,
(snip)
in fact, for your list, I'll only give you credit for Alex and Stevie. Otherwise, this just isn't good at all.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-02-19 06:51:22 PM
I wonder if that reviewer had a hard time getting the taste ofvan halen's jizz out of his mouth. Sounded more like a press release than a review. Anyone that calls Hagar's lyrics stupid and praises Roth's is pants on head retarded. Neither are deep, but Dave often substitutes gibberish for words.
 
2012-02-19 07:04:49 PM

madman370: I'll only give you credit for Alex and Stevie. Otherwise, this just isn't good at all.


Even if you're in the camp that consider Clapton overrated, ignoring Jimi makes your critique highly suspect.
 
2012-02-19 07:10:18 PM

SharkTrager: madman370: I'll only give you credit for Alex and Stevie. Otherwise, this just isn't good at all.

Even if you're in the camp that consider Clapton overrated, ignoring Jimi makes your critique highly suspect.


I am in the camp that considers Clapton overrated. As a blues player he was pretty good, but there have been dozens of better rock players. I'm on the fence when it comes to Jimi. I give him great credit for being an innovator and he is fun to listen to. But he simply wasn't around long enough to get a good gauge on him. I have no problem including Jimi in the top 15 but not sure about top 10.
 
2012-02-19 07:12:43 PM
For whatever reason, they have a street team that has managed to get a couple posters for their new album posted in store windows around me (the South Street area of Philadelphia). Previously, Radiohead advertised their new album that way as well... the illusion of grassroots-ness. I can't help but think that if there was ever creative output that didn't need the support of local merchants to advertise it would have to be Van Halen and Radiohead. Yeah, it's that perceived hipness and for a few hundred bucks they can get more exposure than a billboard, but it still seems silly.
 
2012-02-19 07:13:10 PM

madman370: SharkTrager: madman370: I'll only give you credit for Alex and Stevie. Otherwise, this just isn't good at all.

Even if you're in the camp that consider Clapton overrated, ignoring Jimi makes your critique highly suspect.

I am in the camp that considers Clapton overrated. As a blues player he was pretty good, but there have been dozens of better rock players. I'm on the fence when it comes to Jimi. I give him great credit for being an innovator and he is fun to listen to. But he simply wasn't around long enough to get a good gauge on him. I have no problem including Jimi in the top 15 but not sure about top 10.


Being considered an innovator despite a short career strengthens the case.
 
2012-02-19 07:22:03 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: Mugato: 182: In before the "No Michael Anthony, No Van Halen" crowd.

And Eddie's at least one of the top 10 guitarists of all time.

Obviously an opinion so no right or wrong but I take issue with this statement.

Tony Iomi
Jimmy Page
Michael Schaenker
Ritchie Blackmore
Rory Gallager
Jimi Hendrix
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Alex Liefson
Randy Rhodes
Angus Young
Eric Clapton

I think all are quite superior to EVH and that's just off the top of my head without giving it a second thought.


I'm usually cool with letting people have their opinions, but that list is ridiculous. Eddie Van Halen is truly an original voice in the history of the instrument. Some of those guys on your list ran out of ideas roughly halfway through the second solo on their second album.
 
2012-02-19 07:24:29 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: Tony Iomi
Jimmy Page
Michael Schaenker

Ritchie Blackmore
Rory Gallager
Jimi Hendrix
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Alex Liefson
Randy Rhodes
Angus Young
Eric Clapton

Mark Knopfler
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Al DiMeola
Eddie Van Halen


There, that's a little better.
 
2012-02-19 07:37:14 PM
I'm pretty sure a list of the best guitarists of all time would include a bunch of names that nobody's ever heard of because none of them were lucky enough to get discovered and wallowed in obscurity.
 
2012-02-19 07:41:27 PM

CravenMorehead: Le Bomb Suprize: Tony Iomi
Jimmy Page
Michael Schaenker
Ritchie Blackmore
Rory Gallager
Jimi Hendrix
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Alex Liefson
Randy Rhodes
Angus Young
Eric Clapton
Mark Knopfler
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Al DiMeola
Eddie Van Halen
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Trust me on this.
Link
 
2012-02-19 07:46:47 PM

CravenMorehead: Le Bomb Suprize: Tony Iomi
Jimmy Page
Michael Schaenker
Ritchie Blackmore
Rory Gallager
Jimi Hendrix
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Alex Liefson
Randy Rhodes
Angus Young
Eric Clapton
Mark Knopfler
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Al DiMeola
Eddie Van Halen

There, that's a little better.


Lifeson is a more interesting guitarist than Knopfler. Not that Knopfler isn't a terrific player. But Dire Straits is a pretty drab band whereas Rush... is RUSH!

Other than that, your deletions/additions make sense. I've always felt that Randy Rhodes was the best metal guitarist of all time and, style-wise, is closest to EVH. Eddie's tone and control over feedback gives him some edge over most but he often goes to the whammy bar to bail him out of an out of control lick, whereas Randy completes almost all of his passages and also has great tone. He died too young though, muting his overall impact.
 
2012-02-19 07:49:34 PM
For the Clapton haters, suck it (new window)

I'm a big VH fan, but this line from a review of Clapton's Slowhand tour many years ago sums up the difference between electric blues guitarists and technical virtuosos like Eddie, Satchmo, etc...

"Eric Clapton can say more with one note than Eddie Van Halen will during his entire career"
 
2012-02-19 07:50:11 PM

DKinMN: I'm usually cool with letting people have their opinions, but that list is ridiculous. Eddie Van Halen is truly an original voice in the history of the instrument. Some of those guys on your list ran out of ideas roughly halfway through the second solo on their second album.


Thank you. That's why I said "top ten", even though he's more like in my top 3. There's BB King, Yngwei Mamsteen, Jimi Page, Marty McFly, Slash, Steve Vai, there are too many categories in which to judge. But Eddie was influential as hell.
 
2012-02-19 07:57:32 PM

poot_rootbeer: No Gary Cherone, No Van Halen


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2012-02-19 08:01:23 PM
There's guitar players I like more than I like Van Halen (Richard Thompson for one) but you can't deny there's a pre- and post-Van Halen guitar field. The only other player in the popular imagination like that is Hendrix. Yes, if you listen to old Les Paul/Mary Ford records there's amazing playing on there which took at least as much skill and imagination as, say, "Eruption", but I don't think that's the point of acknowledging Eddie's importance to the instrument.
 
2012-02-19 08:10:29 PM

EyeballKid: Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Trust me on this.
Link



Oh yeah, I remember watching that video before. She was very talented.
 
2012-02-19 08:16:45 PM
What about Yngwie Malmsteen?
 
2012-02-19 08:20:01 PM
Haters don't remember what was playing when Eddie @ co. came out.

oh god


Like Jimi and others before.. he changed the scene
 
2012-02-19 08:23:21 PM

9beers: What about Yngwie Malmsteen?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-02-19 08:23:41 PM

9beers: What about Yngwie Malmsteen?


9beers: What about Yngwie Malmsteen?


What about him? His best performance was on a plane... "you've unleashed the farkin fury!" Other than that? Not deserving to be ranked among the best.
 
2012-02-19 08:27:53 PM

Kick The Chair: Haters don't remember what was playing when Eddie @ co. came out.

oh god


Like Jimi and others before.. he changed the scene


#1: Shadow Dancing - Andy Gibb
.
.
.
#100: Deacon Blues - Steely Dan

'Nuff said.
 
2012-02-19 08:37:12 PM
media.bonnint.net
 
2012-02-19 08:46:17 PM

EyeballKid: CravenMorehead: Le Bomb Suprize: Tony Iomi
Jimmy Page
Michael Schaenker
Ritchie Blackmore
Rory Gallager
Jimi Hendrix
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Alex Liefson
Randy Rhodes
Angus Young
Eric Clapton
Mark Knopfler
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Al DiMeola
Eddie Van Halen
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Trust me on this.
Link


I don't see Charo on this list!
 
2012-02-19 09:06:44 PM

Le Bomb Suprize:

Tony Iomi
Jimmy Page
Michael Schaenker
Ritchie Blackmore
Rory Gallager
Jimi Hendrix
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Alex Liefson
Randy Rhodes
Angus Young
Eric Clapton



Duane Allman

That is all
 
2012-02-19 09:12:29 PM
Must have been taco night.

s11.bdbphotos.com
 
2012-02-19 09:56:15 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: Mugato: 182: In before the "No Michael Anthony, No Van Halen" crowd.

And Eddie's at least one of the top 10 guitarists of all time.

Obviously an opinion so no right or wrong but I take issue with this statement.

Tony Iomi
Jimmy Page
Michael Schaenker
Ritchie Blackmore
Rory Gallager
Jimi Hendrix
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Alex Liefson
Randy Rhodes
Angus Young
Eric Clapton

I think all are quite superior to EVH and that's just off the top of my head without giving it a second thought.




I'd be putting Nuno Bettencourt above Angus Young...and Nuno wouldn't be in my top ten.

Don't understand how ANYONE considers Clapton overrated. Sure, he isn't going to belt out Eruption...but it's only because he doesn't have to. He can make the same statement Adagio.
 
2012-02-19 10:40:40 PM
As to my much commented on list I'll gladly accept the spelling corrections as buzzed typing is drunk typing. And like I said it's my opinion, not a fact in a book.

However, I'll not let some garage band guitarist try to tell me my opinion is invalid since I "know nothing about guitar". EVH may sound great in the studio with a solid producer but live he's "meh" at best. I've seen all but a couple of the guitarists I mentioned (including EVH) live on at least one occassion and EVH doesn't compare in my book. Sorry.

And the fact that Iommi had a "mutilated" hand and still produced a sound that inspired rock music to this day moves him higher on the list, not lower. His lack of technical brilliance means nothing.
 
2012-02-19 10:43:17 PM
let's throw a little logic into this "best guitarist" discussion, just for fun (it obviously doesn't belong...)

1) For those that say Clapton is better than EVH, Eric Clapton has been quoted on multiple occasions saying that he wishes that he could play like EVH.

2) Steve Vai played EVH solos while on Dave's Eat 'Em and Smile tour... while pushing the guitar around the stage floor and chasing after it. Can't really argue that he doesn't have EVH licked technically. He also broadened his range in the mid 90's and wrote a painfully emotional song called "Tender Surrender." (specifically mentioning this to pre-empt the 'he's got no feeling' argument.

3) For the "Yngwie Malmsteen sucks" crowd, Steve Vai replaced Yngwie in Alcatraz. Only problem is that Vai couldn't play the licks Yngwie used to, so he had to learn to to tap them out. Keeping track for those playing the home game, the guy who could play EVH licks cold while screwing around couldn't play Yngwie's materially as originally created.

4) The instrumental part at the end of Drop Dead Legs is EVH trying to imitate Allan Holdsworth's style (whom he admired so much that he got Warner Brothers to give Holdsworth a record deal.) He fails miserably. EVH was quoted in GP magazine saying Holdsworth was "the best..."

Many other people left out, but this always makes interesting fodder for guys who say EVH is #1 and especially those who say Clapton is #1. He might be your favorite, but the guy you're championing is likely on record saying that someone else is better than him.

/find your own citations. They're out there and easy to locate.
 
2012-02-19 10:46:41 PM

Umokay: [media.bonnint.net image 375x281]


The brown M&M's thing was a sneak item in the promoters contract to see
if they really read the contract. VH had many safety concerns about the size
of their show equipment, staging and it's installation. If the brown M&M's were present
they had to do a complete safety check of everything because it meant the
promoters were sloppy and didn't fully read the contract. Case in point the promoter
did not read the weight requirements and a floor in an arena worth in excess of a
quarter million dollars was destroyed because the stage sank into it.

BTW this is straight from the horses mouth. David Lee Roth.
 
2012-02-19 10:55:54 PM
A few things:

1. Eddie Van Halen is one of the most important and influential guitarists of all time. A mad genius.

2. Eddie Van Halen is a DICK.

3. Clapton IS overrated, but having said that, Eddie Van Halen's biggest influence is Eric Clapton.

4. Dave's lyrics are definitely more clever than Sammy Hagar's, but I'm still on Team Sammy/Mike in this whole split.

5. The new Van Halen cd is amazeballs and I love it despite not wanting to because of Eddie's douchebaggery over the last decade or so. Wolfgang is DEFINITELY not playing bass on it. He's decent, but the basslines on this album have Eddie's fingerprints all over it.

6. I was at the last show Eddie played before his intervention. It was a trainwreck. I'm glad he's back. The world NEEDS a Van Halen comeback. Too bad they didn't do it right,
 
2012-02-19 10:57:32 PM
Le Bomb Suprize

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2012-02-19 05:27:11 PM
Mugato: 182: In before the "No Michael Anthony, No Van Halen" crowd.

And Eddie's at least one of the top 10 guitarists of all time.

Obviously an opinion so no right or wrong but I take issue with this statement.

Tony Iomi
Jimmy Page
Michael Schaenker
Ritchie Blackmore
Rory Gallager
Jimi Hendrix
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Alex Liefson
Randy Rhodes
Angus Young
Eric Clapton

I think all are quite superior to EVH and that's just off the top of my head without giving it a second thought.


I have been on Fark for a few years now and when these guitarist lists come up I have never seen Kim Simmonds name on them. I can't be the only Savoy Brown fan, the live side of the 'Skin and Bone" album is great. I have seen him live a few times and always puts on a great show guitar wise. Are there other farkers out there who are fans? there must be.
 
2012-02-19 10:57:37 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: I'll not let some garage band guitarist try to tell me my opinion is invalid since I "know nothing about guitar".


Yeah you will.

moos: 3) For the "Yngwie Malmsteen sucks" crowd, Steve Vai replaced Yngwie in Alcatraz. Only problem is that Vai couldn't play the licks Yngwie used to, so he had to learn to to tap them out. Keeping track for those playing the home game, the guy who could play EVH licks cold while screwing around couldn't play Yngwie's materially as originally created.


I don't know anyone who could play Yngwie's arpeggios as well as he could. Then, Yngwie was sort of soulless when he tried to play the blues. So everyone is better at what they're good at.
 
2012-02-19 11:15:43 PM

moos: let's throw a little logic into this "best guitarist" discussion, just for fun (it obviously doesn't belong...)

1) For those that say Clapton is better than EVH, Eric Clapton has been quoted on multiple occasions saying that he wishes that he could play like EVH.

Many other people left out, but this always makes interesting fodder for guys who say EVH is #1 and especially those who say Clapton is #1. He might be your favorite, but the guy you're championing is likely on record saying that someone else is better than him.




I guess the best comparison I can make between the two is describing their play as a sex metaphor. EVH is farking the hell out of his guitar, while EC is making love to it. They are both excellent, but I know which I'd prefer to put at #1
 
2012-02-19 11:16:50 PM
Dave is shiat. Vocals are a campy joke on the first song in. Not even close sorry. The audio quality on this video from the Louisville show is amazing. So amazing you can hear how bad VH really sounds. Guitar is fine, drums are fine...vocals, lead and BG are farking sad!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJOiLEKrx9c
 
2012-02-19 11:23:34 PM
I have a boot of the first reunion show they played on the last tour. Wolfgang is definitely singing the high parts. It's not a Michael Anthony recording.
 
2012-02-19 11:25:01 PM

Churchy LaFemme: Never understood the popularity of Van Halen...


They were a good band and great to see live. In 1979.
 
2012-02-19 11:25:11 PM
Doesn't matter how good of a guitar player Eddie is, all VH music sucks.

/Not a Hipster
//Just farking hate Van farking Halen
 
2012-02-19 11:27:27 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: Mugato: 182: In before the "No Michael Anthony, No Van Halen" crowd.

And Eddie's at least one of the top 10 guitarists of all time.

Obviously an opinion so no right or wrong but I take issue with this statement.

Tony Iomi
Jimmy Page
Michael Schaenker
Ritchie Blackmore
Rory Gallager
Jimi Hendrix
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Alex Liefson
Randy Rhodes
Angus Young
Eric Clapton

I think all are quite superior to EVH and that's just off the top of my head without giving it a second thought.


Lists are subjective it's why they are so roundly insulted here on Fark. Trying to
put up a list of the 10 best is highly dubious at best. Different genres have different
playing styles and make different demands on the player. Can a pure blues player
be rated higher than a death metal player. Sure but it's still subjective opinion at best.
A blues player would be totally out of his element playing death metal and a death metal
player probably couldn't play 12 bar blues to save his life.

I will say this. Eddie Van Halen is one of the most highly gifted highly creative and highly influential guitar players
of the last 35 years. Yet for all that, he is still an arsehole. Go figure.
 
2012-02-19 11:27:41 PM

moos: let's throw a little logic into this "best guitarist" discussion, just for fun (it obviously doesn't belong...)

1) For those that say Clapton is better than EVH, Eric Clapton has been quoted on multiple occasions saying that he wishes that he could play like EVH.

2) Steve Vai played EVH solos while on Dave's Eat 'Em and Smile tour... while pushing the guitar around the stage floor and chasing after it. Can't really argue that he doesn't have EVH licked technically. He also broadened his range in the mid 90's and wrote a painfully emotional song called "Tender Surrender." (specifically mentioning this to pre-empt the 'he's got no feeling' argument.

3) For the "Yngwie Malmsteen sucks" crowd, Steve Vai replaced Yngwie in Alcatraz. Only problem is that Vai couldn't play the licks Yngwie used to, so he had to learn to to tap them out. Keeping track for those playing the home game, the guy who could play EVH licks cold while screwing around couldn't play Yngwie's materially as originally created.

4) The instrumental part at the end of Drop Dead Legs is EVH trying to imitate Allan Holdsworth's style (whom he admired so much that he got Warner Brothers to give Holdsworth a record deal.) He fails miserably. EVH was quoted in GP magazine saying Holdsworth was "the best..."

Many other people left out, but this always makes interesting fodder for guys who say EVH is #1 and especially those who say Clapton is #1. He might be your favorite, but the guy you're championing is likely on record saying that someone else is better than him.

/find your own citations. They're out there and easy to locate.


There is no such thing as a "better" musician. There are musicians who are very skilled, in the traditional sense, who can get paid for their work versus someone who can't - but that doesn't make the actual sounds heard "better" or "best". Guitarists like Eddie Van Halen should be considered "ground breakers", not "the best".

A speed guitarist who can pack in hundreds of notes-per-minute does not necessarily sound better than someone who could play 10 notes per minute - music is not a sporting competition.

It is all dependent on the subjective ears of any one listener. If some kid's favorite guitarist is some punk rocker who doesn't tune his guitar and plays sloppily, it may take an eternity to try and convince him that some famous jazz guy who can play taps and slaps all in perfect key is "better".

If you remove all the hype, fame or lack thereof; music is just sounds.
If one note could be played fast enough, it would become one, single tone.
 
2012-02-20 12:00:08 AM
RUNNIN' DOWN MY LEGGLE!
 
2012-02-20 12:28:37 AM

tzzhc4: Must have been taco night.

[s11.bdbphotos.com image 283x409]


Eddie Van Halen looks like Charlie Sheen's crack twin
 
2012-02-20 12:38:49 AM
Neil Young is the best guitar player alive. Not for technical proficiency. For awesome guitar pedal reverb.

And nobody seems to think metal bands have any decent guitar players.
 
2012-02-20 12:50:37 AM
EVH was an innovator , but hasn't come up with anything new in the last 20 years, plays the same solos every night.
Clapton practically invented blues rock. Check out the Cream show from the Grande Ballroom for some real improvisation, not just widdly-woo-squonk.
 
2012-02-20 12:54:09 AM

Mugato: Le Bomb Suprize: I'll not let some garage band guitarist try to tell me my opinion is invalid since I "know nothing about guitar".

Yeah you will.


Don't you have to get ready for that wedding reception gig at the Holiday Inn? I'm sure you can work that "Eruption" cover you've been working on into the mix.
 
2012-02-20 12:54:38 AM
Angus might not be the best technically, but god is he entertaining.
 
2012-02-20 01:16:39 AM

182: In before the "No Michael Anthony, No Van Halen" crowd.

.

Without Michael, they have to rely on sequencers and studio tricks to achieve those trademark harmonies and it sounds "wrong" somehow. Michael's voice fits perfectly with Dave and Eddie and his absence is obvious every time the band plays a chorus.

There are literally thousands of professional bassists who could step in and take over his instrumental duties (and Wolfgang has grown into a solid bassist which is exactly what VH's music requires - nothing fancy, just help hold down the beat and "walk" with the melody), but his ability to harmonize with the rest of the band is not something you can teach.
 
2012-02-20 01:21:19 AM
You know garfield minus garfield? I like to listen to runnin with the devil and tune out the main vocals, and just listen to it with the weird screetches and howls the DLR throws in.
 
2012-02-20 01:41:42 AM

Banacek: Angus might not be the best technically, but god is he entertaining.


Wouldn't argue that point one bit.
 
2012-02-20 01:51:20 AM
Slash
 
2012-02-20 02:25:40 AM
I just went to Youtube and listened to this tour's version of Jump. During their 2007 tour, they had the guitars playing in C the way the song was written, with the backing synth track in C#. This time it sounds like the instruments are in the same key. Sounds much better.
 
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