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(Chicago Sun-Times)   It's getting harder to find a place where everybody knows your name, even harder to find a place where they are always glad you came   (suntimes.com ) divider line
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2012-02-19 09:14:35 AM  
FTA:

The number diminished as city leaders sought closure of bars that prompted police calls or complaints from neighbors, and since 2009, the number of tavern licenses has held steady at about 1,200.

So, places that had barroom brawls on a regular basis were finally shut down by the authorities?
 
2012-02-19 09:27:58 AM  
I consider Fark as a sort of virtual tavern. BYOB of course.
 
2012-02-19 09:40:04 AM  
subby's mom is always glad I came.
 
2012-02-19 09:59:33 AM  

Mugato: subby's mom is always glad I came.


But does she know your name?
 
2012-02-19 10:01:23 AM  
It's still possible to find old-school taverns

Or, as my dad would call them, Night Church.
 
2012-02-19 10:24:47 AM  

Lsherm: Or, as my dad would call them, Night Church.


We still call it choir practice at the sports club.
 
2012-02-19 10:51:58 AM  
i1046.photobucket.com

"Maybe we should take the sign down and start serving drinks in dirty cans..."
 
2012-02-19 10:56:41 AM  
I drank regularly at max tavern back in the late 80s and early 90s. I drank there because my best friend bar-tended, It was not a neighborhood bar for anyone I went there with. She quit working there, we quit drinking there.

god I miss that place.
 
2012-02-19 11:01:59 AM  
cheers was in boston, not chicago.

also, maybe the neighborhood tavern would be worth going to if there wasn't a 300% markup on their product. Seriously, and I'm going to tip the bartender/server, too.

A six-pack of decent beer at the liquor store: say, 12 bucks. So that's two dollars a beer. The same beer served at a bar is six dollars per beer (and that's if it's a cheaper bar). Plus a dollar tip, that's a 350% markup. So yeah, maybe it's just a little retarded to go drink at the bar with any frequency. Not to mention the music is so loud you can't hear someone who's right next to you. If anyone who owns or runs a bar is reading this, just consider some friday or saturday night turning the farking music down.

/too young to be this bitter about things
 
2012-02-19 11:32:38 AM  
Gentrification has a lot to do with this.

/lives in the city of Chicago
 
2012-02-19 11:35:12 AM  

CapnBlues: cheers was in boston, not chicago.

also, maybe the neighborhood tavern would be worth going to if there wasn't a 300% markup on their product. Seriously, and I'm going to tip the bartender/server, too.

A six-pack of decent beer at the liquor store: say, 12 bucks. So that's two dollars a beer. The same beer served at a bar is six dollars per beer (and that's if it's a cheaper bar). Plus a dollar tip, that's a 350% markup. So yeah, maybe it's just a little retarded to go drink at the bar with any frequency. Not to mention the music is so loud you can't hear someone who's right next to you. If anyone who owns or runs a bar is reading this, just consider some friday or saturday night turning the farking music down.

/too young to be this bitter about things


Where the fark do you live that you're paying $6/beer at a cheaper bar?
 
2012-02-19 11:40:58 AM  

Andromeda: CapnBlues: cheers was in boston, not chicago.

also, maybe the neighborhood tavern would be worth going to if there wasn't a 300% markup on their product. Seriously, and I'm going to tip the bartender/server, too.

A six-pack of decent beer at the liquor store: say, 12 bucks. So that's two dollars a beer. The same beer served at a bar is six dollars per beer (and that's if it's a cheaper bar). Plus a dollar tip, that's a 350% markup. So yeah, maybe it's just a little retarded to go drink at the bar with any frequency. Not to mention the music is so loud you can't hear someone who's right next to you. If anyone who owns or runs a bar is reading this, just consider some friday or saturday night turning the farking music down.

/too young to be this bitter about things

Where the fark do you live that you're paying $6/beer at a cheaper bar?


boston.
 
2012-02-19 11:48:59 AM  
"Can I draw you a beer, Norm ?"
"No, I know what they look like. Just pour me one."
 
2012-02-19 11:51:26 AM  

CapnBlues: cheers was in boston, not chicago.

also, maybe the neighborhood tavern would be worth going to if there wasn't a 300% markup on their product. Seriously, and I'm going to tip the bartender/server, too.

A six-pack of decent beer at the liquor store: say, 12 bucks. So that's two dollars a beer. The same beer served at a bar is six dollars per beer (and that's if it's a cheaper bar). Plus a dollar tip, that's a 350% markup. So yeah, maybe it's just a little retarded to go drink at the bar with any frequency. Not to mention the music is so loud you can't hear someone who's right next to you. If anyone who owns or runs a bar is reading this, just consider some friday or saturday night turning the farking music down.

/too young to be this bitter about things


You do realize that you are not paying for the beer right?
You do realize that you are paying the rent, the insurance, the liquor license, the bartender, the busboy, the doorman, the teamster payoffs, the cop payoffs and the beer, right??

Of course it is cheaper to drink at home alone.
 
2012-02-19 11:52:07 AM  

Mentat: "Can I draw you a beer, Norm ?"
"No, I know what they look like. Just pour me one."


is there a site somewhere with all/most of the norm comebacks?
 
2012-02-19 11:52:47 AM  
norm! (new window)
 
2012-02-19 11:57:00 AM  

namatad: You do realize that you are not paying for the beer right?
You do realize that you are paying the rent, the insurance, the liquor license, the bartender, the busboy, the doorman, the teamster payoffs, the cop payoffs and the beer, right??

Of course it is cheaper to drink at home alone.


wow. I never realized that! Thank you for your respectfully toned lesson, professor.

I'm not saying some markup isn't necessary. I'm saying that 300% markup is unreasonable. If bars somehow paid insurance, rent, and all the other stuff in proportion to the amount of booze they sold, then yeah, a 300% markup makes sense. But a year-round, all-hours markup of 300% is completely absurd.
 
2012-02-19 11:58:22 AM  
That's sad, the Old Style bars on every corner were the best thing about Chicago.
 
2012-02-19 12:00:10 PM  
namatad
You do realize that you are paying the rent, the insurance, the liquor license, the bartender, the busboy, the doorman, the teamster payoffs, the cop payoffs and the beer, right??

Don't forget the decor that appeals to yuppies. That shiat is expensive.
 
2012-02-19 12:04:58 PM  
brap
That's sad, the Old Style bars on every corner were the best thing about Chicago.

It sure is, and they sure were. But what do you expect from people who think nothing of spending $30,000 on a bathroom rennovation? When they go out for a cocktail, they don't want to go into some shabby bar with an Old Style sign hanging out front, they want shishi-frufru.
 
2012-02-19 12:06:21 PM  

CapnBlues: namatad: You do realize that you are not paying for the beer right?
You do realize that you are paying the rent, the insurance, the liquor license, the bartender, the busboy, the doorman, the teamster payoffs, the cop payoffs and the beer, right??

Of course it is cheaper to drink at home alone.

wow. I never realized that! Thank you for your respectfully toned lesson, professor.

I'm not saying some markup isn't necessary. I'm saying that 300% markup is unreasonable. If bars somehow paid insurance, rent, and all the other stuff in proportion to the amount of booze they sold, then yeah, a 300% markup makes sense. But a year-round, all-hours markup of 300% is completely absurd.


So you have never actually owned a business or done the math, have you?
You really think that these bars are making that much profit??
You do realize that this is a thread about bars going out of business because they could not make ends meet, right?

If bars could make a good profit with 300% markup, that is what they would charge. You did your math on the retail price of beer. Bars buy their liquor wholesale and pay a lot less than you and me. Figure 400% markup. And yet small bars are still going out of business because they cant pay the bills. There is only so much you can make up in volume.

Unless you are a bar across the street from a college. Then you can sell urine for a dollars and make a killing on the drunk kids.
 
2012-02-19 12:07:20 PM  

brap: That's sad, the Old Style bars on every corner were the best thing about Chicago.


I was thinking about driving back to the old neighborhood and looking to see if any of the old bars are still open. My guess is that most of them have closed.
 
2012-02-19 12:10:38 PM  
namatad
I was thinking about driving back to the old neighborhood and looking to see if any of the old bars are still open. My guess is that most of them have closed.

Where's the old neighborhood?
 
2012-02-19 12:12:11 PM  

namatad: CapnBlues: namatad: You do realize that you are not paying for the beer right?
You do realize that you are paying the rent, the insurance, the liquor license, the bartender, the busboy, the doorman, the teamster payoffs, the cop payoffs and the beer, right??

Of course it is cheaper to drink at home alone.

wow. I never realized that! Thank you for your respectfully toned lesson, professor.

I'm not saying some markup isn't necessary. I'm saying that 300% markup is unreasonable. If bars somehow paid insurance, rent, and all the other stuff in proportion to the amount of booze they sold, then yeah, a 300% markup makes sense. But a year-round, all-hours markup of 300% is completely absurd.

So you have never actually owned a business or done the math, have you?
You really think that these bars are making that much profit??
You do realize that this is a thread about bars going out of business because they could not make ends meet, right?

If bars could make a good profit with 300% markup, that is what they would charge. You did your math on the retail price of beer. Bars buy their liquor wholesale and pay a lot less than you and me. Figure 400% markup. And yet small bars are still going out of business because they cant pay the bills. There is only so much you can make up in volume.

Unless you are a bar across the street from a college. Then you can sell urine for a dollars and make a killing on the drunk kids.


lighten up, francis. quit shiatting the thread.
 
2012-02-19 12:33:06 PM  

SuperTramp: namatad
I was thinking about driving back to the old neighborhood and looking to see if any of the old bars are still open. My guess is that most of them have closed.

Where's the old neighborhood?


god help me, bridgeport. on the shady side. near 35th and morgan. st george was out school and parish.
It was so strange growing up in such a prejudiced area with liberal parents.
On the other hand, our alley got plowed before before most other streets.
FFS, when the wind came from the south in the summer.

and a tavern on pretty much every corner.
 
2012-02-19 12:51:55 PM  
There's probably 100 bars in a one-mile square around my apartment in Chicago. But, they cater to 20-somethings who like sports and loud music. The "old men sitting around a counter chit chatting about bullshiat from decades ago" is drying up because those people can't afford it. If you're 50 years old and living in the city (and not in the E suite), you're likely working two jobs just to get by and struggling mightily.
 
2012-02-19 12:52:24 PM  
I've started having a regular bar in Prospect Heights in Brooklyn.

The Way Station

There's a TARDIS bathroom. And they make hot toddies, and have rye.
 
2012-02-19 12:53:00 PM  
Also, Chicago has been farking up its pizza for decades, I'm not surprised they started farking up their bars, too.
 
2012-02-19 12:53:01 PM  

Candygram4Mongo: FTA:

The number diminished as city leaders sought closure of bars that prompted police calls or complaints from neighbors, and since 2009, the number of tavern licenses has held steady at about 1,200.

So, places that had barroom brawls on a regular basis were finally shut down by the authorities?


No where in that sentence or article does it say "bar brawl". The vast majority of police calls and complaints about bars are attributed to noise and/or other things OUTSIDE the bar. Not fights. And that really depends on the location of the bar. The closer to a residential area, the more complaints, generally. But all in all they are generally fairly harmless issues that are forcing these businesses to close and preventing people from establishing new businesses in their place.
 
2012-02-19 12:53:59 PM  
I always come.

/ladies
//tips hat
 
2012-02-19 12:56:01 PM  

CapnBlues: cheers was in boston, not chicago.

also, maybe the neighborhood tavern would be worth going to if there wasn't a 300% markup on their product. Seriously, and I'm going to tip the bartender/server, too.

A six-pack of decent beer at the liquor store: say, 12 bucks. So that's two dollars a beer. The same beer served at a bar is six dollars per beer (and that's if it's a cheaper bar). Plus a dollar tip, that's a 350% markup. So yeah, maybe it's just a little retarded to go drink at the bar with any frequency. Not to mention the music is so loud you can't hear someone who's right next to you. If anyone who owns or runs a bar is reading this, just consider some friday or saturday night turning the farking music down.

/too young to be this bitter about things


I don't know where you shop or go to drink. A six pack in denver is less than 6 bucks and I go to a bar called Greenfields where beer is 1.50 a pint. You have your head where the sun don't shine
 
2012-02-19 12:56:35 PM  
My local pub, Robbie's Wildlife Refuge (new window) used to the Library Pub and Tub. With bookshelves full of books, and two hot tubs. Now, the book shelves are almost bare, there is a huge collection of stuffed wildlife, The tubs are gone, and they have a huge wood stove in the place. Four pool tables, a juke box, and they serve pickled eggs, and pickled sausages and slim jims. It's a great place to drink, if you don't mind the fact that the state police drive by and note how long you've been parked there. I've seen countless fights, brawls, knockdown drag outs, and slap fests in there. It's a homage to the old tyme taverns of yore. During ski season, a few confused Canadian tourists will stop in, tricked by the amount of vehicles in the lot into thinking it's a good place. By pals and I are all singers and will go there with a DD for Kareoke nights and wow the crowd. Keeps up local heroes with a tough crowd of loggers, bums, and rednecks. I like to sit by the woodstove, under the Bobcat.
 
2012-02-19 12:57:58 PM  

blackhonda: I don't know where you shop or go to drink. A six pack in denver is less than 6 bucks and I go to a bar called Greenfields where beer is 1.50 a pint. You have your head where the sun don't shine


That's not beer. It's urine.
 
2012-02-19 12:59:13 PM  

four95: The vast majority of police calls and complaints about bars are attributed to noise and/or other things OUTSIDE the bar. Not fights.


[citation needed]
 
2012-02-19 01:00:31 PM  

blackhonda: I don't know where you shop or go to drink. A six pack in denver is less than 6 bucks and I go to a bar called Greenfields where beer is 1.50 a pint. You have your head where the sun don't shine


or boston. some politician's daughter got wasted at a happy hour and then crashed her car and died. the obvious solution was to make happy-hour drink specials illegal. makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
 
2012-02-19 01:01:25 PM  

Bloody William: Also, Chicago has been farking up its pizza for decades, I'm not surprised they started farking up their bars, too.


DIAF
 
2012-02-19 01:02:14 PM  
Now, for food...

Brewster River Pub & Grill Godzilla
(new window)
 
2012-02-19 01:02:45 PM  
Nowadays you go out have a beer or 5 with your buddies 4 nights a week after work and they call you a bad father.

A lot of people don't work in their neighborhood anymore either, most of the factories are gone. If I'm going to grab a drink I usually stay downtown.
 
2012-02-19 01:02:58 PM  

four95: blackhonda: I don't know where you shop or go to drink. A six pack in denver is less than 6 bucks and I go to a bar called Greenfields where beer is 1.50 a pint. You have your head where the sun don't shine

That's not beer. It's urine.


It is Rolling Rock which is not to bad for factory beer
 
2012-02-19 01:03:05 PM  

four95: blackhonda: I don't know where you shop or go to drink. A six pack in denver is less than 6 bucks and I go to a bar called Greenfields where beer is 1.50 a pint. You have your head where the sun don't shine

That's not beer. It's urine.


This sort of thing is why I miss living in rural PA. Pitchers of decent beer were under 10 bucks, almost all the time. Yuengling lager (which, if you've never had it, is a definite step above the usual macrobrew) was often five dollars per pitcher. Happy hour was from 9-11 or 10-12, and it meant that everything was half price. One bar did a jack-and-coke special on saturdays -- 2.50 per drink from noon to midnight.
 
2012-02-19 01:06:12 PM  

Bloody William: Also, Chicago has been farking up its pizza for decades, I'm not surprised they started farking up their bars, too.


LOL
talk about clueless
 
2012-02-19 01:06:32 PM  
If everyone at the bar knows your name, it means you're probably an alcoholic.
 
2012-02-19 01:09:06 PM  
I'd say "move to WI", but we already have enough of you FIBs clogging up our interstates, water parks, and campgrounds, I'd hate to see my bars go the same way.

/I keed
//please keep coming and spending your FIB money here
 
2012-02-19 01:09:29 PM  

Knucklepopper: four95: The vast majority of police calls and complaints about bars are attributed to noise and/or other things OUTSIDE the bar. Not fights.

[citation needed]


meh, really? you need a citation?
now that smoking is banned in bars, loud, drunk people have to go outside and smoke.
Ignoring all other factors, that must increase the average noise level outside of a bar.
That noise will cause neighbors to call the police.
 
2012-02-19 01:09:41 PM  
@CapnBlues

Maybe you may be looking at the wrong places/have higher standards than me.
I love me some Silhouette Lounge in Allston, Whitneys in Cambridge , Punters in Brigham Circle, PJ Ryans in Somerville, Biddy Earlys .. and those are the ones I can come up with off the top of my head that sell gansetts at $2.50
 
2012-02-19 01:10:10 PM  
Across the street from my work is a Bufflow Wild Wings and I have been know to stop by three or four times a week. Not for the awful food but because I know every bartender and they know me. I can walk in and they will have a beer pored for me by the time I sit down at the bar. Plus for a 23oz it's only $3.50.
 
2012-02-19 01:10:19 PM  
Maybe it has to do with too many freebies. Those sportsbars/corps have strict pouring rules. They really optimize how much say a bottle of vodka can really make the co. Those lil pubs are just too friendly with giving out free drinks. Not complaining, the bar I go to has over 80 taps, and some of the beers are $8 a piece. I was there one night with 5 other people, the tab should have been easily over 2hundo, the bill came and it was $18. I threw a 20 down, and two others threw 2 more 20's making his tip over 40.
 
2012-02-19 01:10:48 PM  

leftteffticle: I'd say "move to WI", but we already have enough of you FIBs clogging up our interstates, water parks, and campgrounds, I'd hate to see my bars go the same way.

/I keed
//please keep coming and spending your FIB money here


zomg
you bastard
you made me laugh
farking had to look up FIB.

bwhahahahaha
 
2012-02-19 01:12:07 PM  
maybe if the sin taxes and other bs kept beer at reasonable prices this wouldn't happen. europe has it right, but the US is too jingoistic to take a hint from people who do shiat better.
 
2012-02-19 01:12:29 PM  

LeroyBourne: Maybe it has to do with too many freebies. Those sportsbars/corps have strict pouring rules. They really optimize how much say a bottle of vodka can really make the co. Those lil pubs are just too friendly with giving out free drinks. Not complaining, the bar I go to has over 80 taps, and some of the beers are $8 a piece. I was there one night with 5 other people, the tab should have been easily over 2hundo, the bill came and it was $18. I threw a 20 down, and two others threw 2 more 20's making his tip over 40.


a part of me is wondering you if you all missed a zero ...
:D
 
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