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2012-02-19 08:13:15 AM  
3 votes:
farkityfarker:
What exactly constitutes "popeworthy"?

What do you think? Well-educated, well-connected, ecclesiastically compatible, charismatic, and willing to stay quiet about where the bodies are buried.

Harry_Seldon:
I hate to see all the good work done by the Catholic Church (and it is an immense amount of good over the centuries along as the deplorable) overshadowed by the failings of some, even institutional failings.

Good? Most of the problems they try to help with, they had a hand in creating, or at least could have stopped a long time ago. Poverty? For centuries the Church cozied up to the rich in direct opposition to Christ's teachings. Third-world famine and pestilence? They supported colonialism, happily marching in behind the white bwana to mop up millions of converts. At least they have come around about heliocentrism and evolution, but that is because biblical literalism is counter to Catholic doctrine. And continuing to spread lies about condoms and AIDS etc shows the Church does not actually respect science or truth unless it suits their purposes.
2012-02-19 08:51:18 AM  
2 votes:
As an ex-catholic (and someone who recognizes that the chief product of the Catholic church is derpers like Rick Santorum) I have realized that the church, and most other churches need to be ignored to extinction
2012-02-19 05:45:10 AM  
2 votes:
I always wondered what the extent of pedophilia is in the Catholic Church compared to the general population? Celibacy in the priesthood was actually a pretty good idea to prevent a hereditary priesthood.

I hate to see all the good work done by the Catholic Church (and it is an immense amount of good over the centuries along as the deplorable) overshadowed by the failings of some, even institutional failings.

One thing that we should all be thankful for is the historical and artistic treasure trove created and guarded by the Church. So few institutions have survived for so long, and planned over such long timelines.
2012-02-19 12:41:13 PM  
1 votes:

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Being a priest doesn't prevent you from being arrested.


Actually, until very recently, it absolutely did. There's no other mainstream organization where a known child-raper wouldn't be immediately handed over to the police.
2012-02-19 12:07:20 PM  
1 votes:
For starters, he's an American, so he'll never get voted in.

Second, as a Christian, I don't particularly care what the Catholic church does anymore unless one day, I read a newspaper headline stating that Benny the 16th has decided to excommunicate all clergy involved in sex abuse or its cover up.
2012-02-19 11:03:43 AM  
1 votes:

Ed Grubermann: Religion is socially acceptable insanity.


Anti-religion is a socially acceptable prejudice, so it equals out.
2012-02-19 10:46:58 AM  
1 votes:
Seriously, are you ever gonna let that pedophile shiat go? As we've seen in the last few months, churches aren't the only institutions where that crap goes on and gets covered up.

Yeah, the Borgias were terrible popes. Then again, their bones have crumbled into calcium-rich dust.

I think by this point hating the Catholic church has just become a memeish mess of "lol you believe in a sky wizard," "pedophiles lol," "Nazi pope lol," "condoms and abortion lol," "fancy hat lol," "popemobile lol."

Does that cover the derp and allow for a civil conversation?
2012-02-19 09:55:41 AM  
1 votes:
I kind of hope he doesn't get it. As a fellow American I feel his election would hinder my chances of being elected the first non-Catholic Pope.
2012-02-19 09:12:21 AM  
1 votes:

No Such Agency: farkityfarker:
What exactly constitutes "popeworthy"?

What do you think? Well-educated, well-connected, ecclesiastically compatible, charismatic, and willing to stay quiet about where the bodies are buried.

Harry_Seldon:
I hate to see all the good work done by the Catholic Church (and it is an immense amount of good over the centuries along as the deplorable) overshadowed by the failings of some, even institutional failings.

Good? Most of the problems they try to help with, they had a hand in creating, or at least could have stopped a long time ago. Poverty? For centuries the Church cozied up to the rich in direct opposition to Christ's teachings. Third-world famine and pestilence? They supported colonialism, happily marching in behind the white bwana to mop up millions of converts. At least they have come around about heliocentrism and evolution, but that is because biblical literalism is counter to Catholic doctrine. And continuing to spread lies about condoms and AIDS etc shows the Church does not actually respect science or truth unless it suits their purposes.


The Catholic Church has done a lot of good in the world - individual Catholics especially. Yes - it has done some awful things as well but if you can't see past your hatred of religion you'll never admit that as fact.

I am not Catholic - I think they have many faults (pedophile priests and the cover up, stance on contraception, etc) but I also have seen the good that they do.

They aren't some giant evil organization - the mission is still to serve God and mankind.
2012-02-19 08:38:26 AM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: Yep. What cracks me up is when someone says the church now can't change and allow priests to marry. Uh, they changed once to ban it, they can damn well change it back. And if they wanted to, they could ordain women as priests.


What gets me is that according to their own rules, the Catholic church is actually composed of the "Roman Rite" and the "Eastern Catholic Churches" (not to be confused with the Eastern Orthodox ones), and the Eastern churches DO allow clergy to marry.
2012-02-19 08:36:53 AM  
1 votes:
Not a fan. But then, I don't have to be. I'm no longer Catholic.
I just really hope the next Pope is less like Ratzinger and more like JP II.
2012-02-19 08:27:25 AM  
1 votes:
Dolan is a solid guy. He served here in Milwaukee after Weakland before getting promoted to NYC and dealt with the shiatstorm of Milwaukee. Big personality, better than his brother who's been in Milwaukee media forever, even though Bob's a good guy. Very happy for the family.

//not a Catholic
///recognizes their influence on a community outside of the bullshiat.
2012-02-19 07:38:30 AM  
1 votes:

dwhy_clist: But additionally, the acquisition of property - if you had the 2nd or 3rd heir of an estate in the priesthood and the elder son or sons died then the church acquired all that wealth. Quite the return on your brainwashing dollar.


Yep. What cracks me up is when someone says the church now can't change and allow priests to marry. Uh, they changed once to ban it, they can damn well change it back. And if they wanted to, they could ordain women as priests.
2012-02-19 07:20:08 AM  
1 votes:

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: What gets me is that the Catholic church is opposed to abortion, but at the same time, they're also opposed to the use of contraceptives that would prevent unwanted pregnancies


Religion is socially acceptable insanity.
2012-02-19 06:29:59 AM  
1 votes:
What gets me is that the Catholic church is opposed to abortion, but at the same time, they're also opposed to the use of contraceptives that would prevent unwanted pregnancies
2012-02-19 05:58:23 AM  
1 votes:

Harry_Seldon: Celibacy in the priesthood was actually a pretty good idea to prevent a hereditary priesthood.


It was more about making sure priests weren't willing church property to their kids. Also the Catholic church these days really sticks out for not having married clergy, something that it can't even really defend.
2012-02-19 05:57:57 AM  
1 votes:
I would hate to have an American Pope. The freaking Bishops are bad enough interfering with our social policy, imagine if we had an "infallible" head of a religion biatching about contraceptives.
2012-02-19 05:35:25 AM  
1 votes:
Dolan, one of 22 who became cardinals on Saturday ... called an improbable "papabile," or having qualities of a future pope.

So he's got experience molesting boys and covering up for pedophiles?
2012-02-19 05:33:20 AM  
1 votes:
First baseman... It's usually about pitching and catching, isn't it?.
 
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