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2012-02-19 05:33:20 AM  
First baseman... It's usually about pitching and catching, isn't it?.
 
2012-02-19 05:35:25 AM  
Dolan, one of 22 who became cardinals on Saturday ... called an improbable "papabile," or having qualities of a future pope.

So he's got experience molesting boys and covering up for pedophiles?
 
2012-02-19 05:42:44 AM  
In before the.... oh what's the point?
 
2012-02-19 05:45:10 AM  
I always wondered what the extent of pedophilia is in the Catholic Church compared to the general population? Celibacy in the priesthood was actually a pretty good idea to prevent a hereditary priesthood.

I hate to see all the good work done by the Catholic Church (and it is an immense amount of good over the centuries along as the deplorable) overshadowed by the failings of some, even institutional failings.

One thing that we should all be thankful for is the historical and artistic treasure trove created and guarded by the Church. So few institutions have survived for so long, and planned over such long timelines.
 
2012-02-19 05:57:57 AM  
I would hate to have an American Pope. The freaking Bishops are bad enough interfering with our social policy, imagine if we had an "infallible" head of a religion biatching about contraceptives.
 
2012-02-19 05:58:23 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Celibacy in the priesthood was actually a pretty good idea to prevent a hereditary priesthood.


It was more about making sure priests weren't willing church property to their kids. Also the Catholic church these days really sticks out for not having married clergy, something that it can't even really defend.
 
2012-02-19 06:29:59 AM  
What gets me is that the Catholic church is opposed to abortion, but at the same time, they're also opposed to the use of contraceptives that would prevent unwanted pregnancies
 
2012-02-19 06:34:23 AM  
Who
What
I Don't Know
Why
Because
Tomorrow
Today
I Don't Care

What we really need is a right fielder, cause Nobody's doing it right now.
 
2012-02-19 06:37:01 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: What gets me is that the Catholic church is opposed to abortion, but at the same time, they're also opposed to the use of contraceptives that would prevent unwanted pregnancies


Well, modern science has figured out what causes pregnacy nowdays.

/every sperm is sacred?
 
2012-02-19 06:39:13 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Harry_Seldon: Celibacy in the priesthood was actually a pretty good idea to prevent a hereditary priesthood.

It was more about making sure priests weren't willing church property to their kids.


This

But additionally, the acquisition of property - if you had the 2nd or 3rd heir of an estate in the priesthood and the elder son or sons died then the church acquired all that wealth. Quite the return on your brainwashing dollar.
 
2012-02-19 06:46:12 AM  
How goes does the priest feel about little boys?

WITH BOTH HANDS!
 
2012-02-19 06:51:04 AM  
WTF is a St. Louis news site printing this kind of prick tease headline? With Pujols going to the dam Angels, we have bigger things to worry about.
 
2012-02-19 06:56:00 AM  
Yes, but is he willing to battle the great mother spider to change the document of holy vatican law?
 
2012-02-19 07:10:57 AM  

Irving Maimway: WTF is a St. Louis news site printing this kind of prick tease headline? With Pujols going to the dam Angels, we have bigger things to worry about.

I think it's because Dolan grew up in St Louis.
 
2012-02-19 07:20:08 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: What gets me is that the Catholic church is opposed to abortion, but at the same time, they're also opposed to the use of contraceptives that would prevent unwanted pregnancies


Religion is socially acceptable insanity.
 
2012-02-19 07:26:19 AM  
Will he turn over the child-raping priests, and all those who hid them from the law, over to the proper civil authorities?

Will he stop the church lying to Africans about condoms, and thus reduce the spread of AIDS and the sickness and death that goes with it?

If not, then fark him.
 
2012-02-19 07:38:30 AM  

dwhy_clist: But additionally, the acquisition of property - if you had the 2nd or 3rd heir of an estate in the priesthood and the elder son or sons died then the church acquired all that wealth. Quite the return on your brainwashing dollar.


Yep. What cracks me up is when someone says the church now can't change and allow priests to marry. Uh, they changed once to ban it, they can damn well change it back. And if they wanted to, they could ordain women as priests.
 
2012-02-19 07:53:29 AM  
What exactly constitutes "popeworthy"?
 
2012-02-19 08:13:15 AM  
farkityfarker:
What exactly constitutes "popeworthy"?

What do you think? Well-educated, well-connected, ecclesiastically compatible, charismatic, and willing to stay quiet about where the bodies are buried.

Harry_Seldon:
I hate to see all the good work done by the Catholic Church (and it is an immense amount of good over the centuries along as the deplorable) overshadowed by the failings of some, even institutional failings.

Good? Most of the problems they try to help with, they had a hand in creating, or at least could have stopped a long time ago. Poverty? For centuries the Church cozied up to the rich in direct opposition to Christ's teachings. Third-world famine and pestilence? They supported colonialism, happily marching in behind the white bwana to mop up millions of converts. At least they have come around about heliocentrism and evolution, but that is because biblical literalism is counter to Catholic doctrine. And continuing to spread lies about condoms and AIDS etc shows the Church does not actually respect science or truth unless it suits their purposes.
 
2012-02-19 08:14:23 AM  

farkityfarker: What exactly constitutes "popeworthy"?


If he already fits the robes and fits into the Popemobile.
 
2012-02-19 08:19:19 AM  

Irving Maimway: WTF is a St. Louis news site printing this kind of prick tease headline? With Pujols going to the dam Angels, we have bigger things to worry about.


Maybe because Dolan is not only from St Louis but is a huge Cardinals fan?
 
2012-02-19 08:27:25 AM  
Dolan is a solid guy. He served here in Milwaukee after Weakland before getting promoted to NYC and dealt with the shiatstorm of Milwaukee. Big personality, better than his brother who's been in Milwaukee media forever, even though Bob's a good guy. Very happy for the family.

//not a Catholic
///recognizes their influence on a community outside of the bullshiat.
 
2012-02-19 08:36:53 AM  
Not a fan. But then, I don't have to be. I'm no longer Catholic.
I just really hope the next Pope is less like Ratzinger and more like JP II.
 
2012-02-19 08:38:05 AM  
Look! A religious thread on fark that tatsuma would never post in!
 
2012-02-19 08:38:26 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Yep. What cracks me up is when someone says the church now can't change and allow priests to marry. Uh, they changed once to ban it, they can damn well change it back. And if they wanted to, they could ordain women as priests.


What gets me is that according to their own rules, the Catholic church is actually composed of the "Roman Rite" and the "Eastern Catholic Churches" (not to be confused with the Eastern Orthodox ones), and the Eastern churches DO allow clergy to marry.
 
2012-02-19 08:51:18 AM  
As an ex-catholic (and someone who recognizes that the chief product of the Catholic church is derpers like Rick Santorum) I have realized that the church, and most other churches need to be ignored to extinction
 
2012-02-19 08:58:47 AM  
There is no requirement that pope's come from within the conclave of cardinals. The next pope could theoretically be a layman. I send my name in each election but never hear back.

That said. Who cares? There was a time when popes were significant and powerful influence on the word. Those were the medieval times. Now we're all enlightened and stuff.
 
2012-02-19 08:59:59 AM  

KyDave: Who
What
I Don't Know
Why
Because
Tomorrow
Today
I Don't Care

What we really need is a right fielder, cause Nobody's doing it right now.


Call me an originalist, but I really thought I Don't Give a Darn was much better at shortstop.

/When you hand out the paychecks, who get's the money?
//Every dollar. Sometimes his wife comes by and picks it up.
 
2012-02-19 09:02:37 AM  

RepoManTSM: I would hate to have an American Pope. The freaking Bishops are bad enough interfering with our social policy, imagine if we had an "infallible" head of a religion Rick Santorum biatching about contraceptives.


Not a FTFY, just biatching about Santorum. I actually agree with you comment.
 
2012-02-19 09:12:21 AM  

No Such Agency: farkityfarker:
What exactly constitutes "popeworthy"?

What do you think? Well-educated, well-connected, ecclesiastically compatible, charismatic, and willing to stay quiet about where the bodies are buried.

Harry_Seldon:
I hate to see all the good work done by the Catholic Church (and it is an immense amount of good over the centuries along as the deplorable) overshadowed by the failings of some, even institutional failings.

Good? Most of the problems they try to help with, they had a hand in creating, or at least could have stopped a long time ago. Poverty? For centuries the Church cozied up to the rich in direct opposition to Christ's teachings. Third-world famine and pestilence? They supported colonialism, happily marching in behind the white bwana to mop up millions of converts. At least they have come around about heliocentrism and evolution, but that is because biblical literalism is counter to Catholic doctrine. And continuing to spread lies about condoms and AIDS etc shows the Church does not actually respect science or truth unless it suits their purposes.


The Catholic Church has done a lot of good in the world - individual Catholics especially. Yes - it has done some awful things as well but if you can't see past your hatred of religion you'll never admit that as fact.

I am not Catholic - I think they have many faults (pedophile priests and the cover up, stance on contraception, etc) but I also have seen the good that they do.

They aren't some giant evil organization - the mission is still to serve God and mankind.
 
2012-02-19 09:19:07 AM  

Summercat: farkityfarker: What exactly constitutes "popeworthy"?

If he already fits the robes and fits into the Popemobile.


It's the hat. It takes just the right shape head to keep it balanced.
 
2012-02-19 09:20:45 AM  

Overfiend: They aren't some giant evil organization - the mission is still to serve God and mankind.


And for centuries, they've failed in that endeavor ... sometimes quite spectacularly.
 
2012-02-19 09:24:47 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Harry_Seldon: Celibacy in the priesthood was actually a pretty good idea to prevent a hereditary priesthood.

It was more about making sure priests weren't willing church property to their kids. Also the Catholic church these days really sticks out for not having married clergy, something that it can't even really defend.


Grow up as a minister's kid in a conservative area of the country and I'll guarantee you that you'll believe in the celibacy of the priesthood.
 
2012-02-19 09:32:11 AM  
Chi entra papa, esce cardinale ...
 
2012-02-19 09:33:04 AM  

Harry_Seldon: One thing that we should all be thankful for is the historical and artistic treasure trove created and guarded by the Church.


I wonder...is it really that much different to lose history and art to time than it is to people who lock it away in vaults where no one can ever see it?
 
2012-02-19 09:40:26 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Celibacy in the priesthood was actually a pretty good idea to prevent a hereditary priesthood.


was this really the reason priests are required to be celibate? I always wondered about that.
 
2012-02-19 09:44:46 AM  
I thought this was about baseball
 
2012-02-19 09:53:44 AM  

Really I'm Black: Harry_Seldon: Celibacy in the priesthood was actually a pretty good idea to prevent a hereditary priesthood.

was this really the reason priests are required to be celibate? I always wondered about that.


Pretty much. It's not actually a point of doctrine, and as someone noted upthread, there are rites within the Church were priests can marry. If the pope wanted to, he could change it tomorrow. Canon law isn't infallible or immutible.
 
2012-02-19 09:55:41 AM  
I kind of hope he doesn't get it. As a fellow American I feel his election would hinder my chances of being elected the first non-Catholic Pope.
 
2012-02-19 10:01:41 AM  

Ed Becker: Dolan is a solid guy. He served here in Milwaukee after Weakland before getting promoted to NYC and dealt with the shiatstorm of Milwaukee. Big personality, better than his brother who's been in Milwaukee media forever, even though Bob's a good guy. Very happy for the family.

//not a Catholic
///recognizes their influence on a community outside of the bullshiat.


He certainly got the faithful all riled up a couple of weeks ago, which is part of his job.

It was a masterful job of injecting some moral authority in an institution that's been struggling in that area for the obvious reasons for some time now.
 
2012-02-19 10:11:57 AM  
This thread is remarkably civil.

My guess is because only church-goers are up this earlier on a Sunday morning...
 
2012-02-19 10:15:08 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: What gets me is that the Catholic church is opposed to abortion, but at the same time, they're also opposed to the use of contraceptives that would prevent unwanted pregnancies


They think that sex is wrong unless it's for making babies.
 
2012-02-19 10:17:47 AM  

Really I'm Black: Harry_Seldon: Celibacy in the priesthood was actually a pretty good idea to prevent a hereditary priesthood.

was this really the reason priests are required to be celibate? I always wondered about that.


I've always though that the vows, like that of celibacy, were to keep the priests from being very tangled with "worldly" affairs, that they could keep to priestly duties without the distractions that property or a lover might create.
 
2012-02-19 10:35:26 AM  
R.I.P. Cardinal Sin.
 
2012-02-19 10:46:18 AM  

Harry_Seldon: I always wondered what the extent of pedophilia is in the Catholic Church compared to the general population? Celibacy in the priesthood was actually a pretty good idea to prevent a hereditary priesthood.


I would imagine it to be similar to what we have seen in other religious organizations. The main difference however is the lengths that the higher ranks of the Church go to for covering it up and hide the pedos from being prosecuted by government authorities. Between this, the fact that the Pope having to be an elected official to gain infallibility and claim to speak for God, and their idiotic stances on contraception, I feel that anything in that organization higher than the parish level can go fark themselves.

/Left the church when I was 16.
//Still has family there, but they seem to realize that strict adherence to Canon law only ends up pissing other people off.
 
2012-02-19 10:46:58 AM  
Seriously, are you ever gonna let that pedophile shiat go? As we've seen in the last few months, churches aren't the only institutions where that crap goes on and gets covered up.

Yeah, the Borgias were terrible popes. Then again, their bones have crumbled into calcium-rich dust.

I think by this point hating the Catholic church has just become a memeish mess of "lol you believe in a sky wizard," "pedophiles lol," "Nazi pope lol," "condoms and abortion lol," "fancy hat lol," "popemobile lol."

Does that cover the derp and allow for a civil conversation?
 
2012-02-19 10:52:34 AM  

wedun: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: What gets me is that the Catholic church is opposed to abortion, but at the same time, they're also opposed to the use of contraceptives that would prevent unwanted pregnancies

They think that sex is wrong unless it's for making babies.


Plus, condoms don't work and spread AIDS.
 
2012-02-19 10:58:05 AM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Seriously, are you ever gonna let that pedophile shiat go? As we've seen in the last few months, churches aren't the only institutions where that crap goes on and gets covered up.


It's not so much the fact that it happens. The problem with the Catholic Church is that they are harboring priests who are sexual abuse suspects. Instead of turning them in to authorities, they cover it up and move the pedobears around in hopes that no one notices. When confronted about it, bishops and cardinals have either denied it or just simply said "Pedophilia is bad, mmkay?" while still doing nothing to turn these sick farks in. Until they start to actively turn in anyone who has engaged in sexual abuse over there, the Catholic Church as an organization has every farking right to be called out for it.
 
2012-02-19 11:03:43 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Religion is socially acceptable insanity.


Anti-religion is a socially acceptable prejudice, so it equals out.
 
2012-02-19 11:05:14 AM  

oroku_saki: omnibus_necanda_sunt: Seriously, are you ever gonna let that pedophile shiat go? As we've seen in the last few months, churches aren't the only institutions where that crap goes on and gets covered up.

It's not so much the fact that it happens. The problem with the Catholic Church is that they are harboring priests who are sexual abuse suspects. Instead of turning them in to authorities, they cover it up and move the pedobears around in hopes that no one notices. When confronted about it, bishops and cardinals have either denied it or just simply said "Pedophilia is bad, mmkay?" while still doing nothing to turn these sick farks in. Until they start to actively turn in anyone who has engaged in sexual abuse over there, the Catholic Church as an organization has every farking right to be called out for it.


Even if they do start dealing with the matter properly, they've pretty much blown it in the "We're the True Church started and looked after by Jesus Himself" department.
 
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