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2012-02-19 03:29:31 AM
You mean 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2010?
 
2012-02-19 04:09:19 AM
Good luck with that, Boner. I'm sure people will be dazzled by your lackluster support for the payroll tax after threatening Armageddon over tax breaks for the 1% But what the hell, nothing else is going your way, so fling that poo - maybe it'll stick.

For the president's economic team, the specter of such increases in oil prices comes on the heels of positive economic news that has lifted Mr. Obama's approval rating, including better-than-expected job growth, a surging stock market and a payroll tax deal that will put more money in the pockets of millions of Americans.
 
2012-02-19 04:51:59 AM
So how do you think your support for attacking Iran will influence oil prices, GOP?
 
2012-02-19 04:54:48 AM
Let it soar. The higher the better.

/Uses about 1 gallon of gas per week.

//Live near where you work, folks, and your monthly gasoline bill can be around $16 just like mine.

///Yah, I know higher gas prices affect the costs of goods/services/blah blah blah.
 
2012-02-19 04:57:47 AM
Gee, if the president actually controlled our oil and gas prices, why...that would be socialism!

Why do Republicans want socialism for America?
 
2012-02-19 05:12:52 AM
It seems to me that rising gas prices would be more fuel for the "we need to end oil dependency" argument and make it easier to drive the point that we should be developing alternative energy sources.

Some of the points TFA makes seem legit, but others make it seem like the GOP is grasping at straws.
 
2012-02-19 05:42:58 AM

geek_mars: It seems to me that rising gas prices would be more fuel for the "we need to end oil dependency" argument and make it easier to drive the point that we should be developing DOMESTIC alternative energy sources.


If the party in power cared about the price of energy and what you pay at the fuel pump, they would remove some of the onerous regulations that stifle development of our domestic energy sources.

Subby mocks history, but history has shown that the left is the party that opposes oil exploration and production. By implementing dozens of permit requirements that cost $$$$$$ to comply with, it all slows down our domestic production.

Despite that, we are in a current boom (not as big as the late 70's, but a boom nonetheless). The question is, what is being done to reduce our reliance on imported oil?

Nothing. And as the price of gasoline creeps to $4-$5 a gallon this summer, those of us that don't have the luxury of living within a mile of where we work (especially if you live in a rural state), it takes it's toll. Food costs have gone up 15-20%. If you own a restaurant, this comes out of your bottom line.

Ultimately, these costs are passed on to the consumers - and in an anemic jobless recovery, it will take its toll. It was short sighted of the democrats to invest all their effort in solar energy without relieving oil/gas exploration of their burdens. The good news is that natural gas reserves are at record highs (thanks to fracking). Yet the government is not investing in natural gas powered automobiles. Go figure.

Bottom line, unless you live where you can walk to work, you will feel the impact. It will hurt the rural states the hardest (not democrat strongholds by any means - perhaps that is why the left is ignoring this).

/locally, fuel has jumped 15% since Jan 1. OUCH
 
2012-02-19 06:15:44 AM
So it's NOT the President's fault? That would have been good to know 11 years ago!
 
2012-02-19 06:24:18 AM
Sorry subby, but it's not amnesia or being two-faced when we fail to blame President Obama like we did your guys, it's just differential thinking.
 
2012-02-19 06:27:19 AM
How many administrations in the 21st century told us that invading the super-scary country with super-scary weapons that didn't exist would also have a side effect of lower oil prices, again?
 
2012-02-19 06:30:57 AM
It's quite simple. If it happened while Bush was in office, it was Bush's fault. If it happened while Obama was in office, it was Bush's fault. What's so hard to understand?
 
2012-02-19 06:33:20 AM

Kibbler: How many administrations in the 21st century told us that invading the super-scary country with super-scary weapons that didn't exist would also have a side effect of lower oil prices, again?


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2012-02-19 06:38:57 AM

EnviroDude: geek_mars: It seems to me that rising gas prices would be more fuel for the "we need to end oil dependency" argument and make it easier to drive the point that we should be developing DOMESTIC alternative energy sources.

If the party in power cared about the price of energy and what you pay at the fuel pump, they would remove some of the onerous regulations that stifle development of our domestic energy sources.

Subby mocks history, but history has shown that the left is the party that opposes oil exploration and production. By implementing dozens of permit requirements that cost $$$$$$ to comply with, it all slows down our domestic production.

Despite that, we are in a current boom (not as big as the late 70's, but a boom nonetheless). The question is, what is being done to reduce our reliance on imported oil?

Nothing. And as the price of gasoline creeps to $4-$5 a gallon this summer, those of us that don't have the luxury of living within a mile of where we work (especially if you live in a rural state), it takes it's toll. Food costs have gone up 15-20%. If you own a restaurant, this comes out of your bottom line.

Ultimately, these costs are passed on to the consumers - and in an anemic jobless recovery, it will take its toll. It was short sighted of the democrats to invest all their effort in solar energy without relieving oil/gas exploration of their burdens. The good news is that natural gas reserves are at record highs (thanks to fracking). Yet the government is not investing in natural gas powered automobiles. Go figure.

Bottom line, unless you live where you can walk to work, you will feel the impact. It will hurt the rural states the hardest (not democrat strongholds by any means - perhaps that is why the left is ignoring this).

/locally, fuel has jumped 15% since Jan 1. OUCH


the US isn't investing in natural gas for cars?

the US is 6th in the world in the number of natural gas fuel stations, and tens of thousands of public buses in the US are powered by natural gas.
the same tax credit for hybrids also applies to CNG powered cars, which are available from Honda, Ford, and GM.



as for lefty obstruction in drilling, it might pain you to know that there is NOT enough oil available from traditional drilling sources in North America to satisfy demand. taking the US, Canada, and Mexico together, proved traditional reserves are 70 billion barrels (off shore and onshore), with daily consumption of 24 million barrels. if you do the math, all of those reserves, if unleashed at once, would only cover 8 years of demand.


ending reliance on imported oil? hahahahahahahahaha.
 
2012-02-19 06:41:33 AM

bigpeeler: It's quite simple. If it happened while Bush was in office, it was Bush's fault. If it happened while Obama was in office, it was Bush's fault. What's so hard to understand?


I wish I could create alternate universes so that all of the people who wave away any GOP lie by saying, "b-b-b-b-but Bush!" could go live another eight years under him.
 
2012-02-19 06:47:25 AM

Kibbler: bigpeeler: It's quite simple. If it happened while Bush was in office, it was Bush's fault. If it happened while Obama was in office, it was Bush's fault. What's so hard to understand?

I wish I could create alternate universes so that all of the people who wave away any GOP lie by saying, "b-b-b-b-but Bush!" could go live another eight years under him.


but wasn't the GOP's attitude under Bush that of "b-b-b-b-b-but Clinton?"
 
2012-02-19 06:49:12 AM
"We are now paying out $25 billion a year for foreign oil. Five years ago we paid out only $3 billion annually. Five years from now, if we do nothing, who knows how many more billions will be flowing out of the United States. These are not just American dollars, these are American jobs." - President Ford

"Tonight I want to have an unpleasant talk with you about a problem unprecedented in our history. With the exception of preventing war, this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes. The energy crisis has not yet overwhelmed us, but it will if we do not act quickly." - President Carter

"Given our continued vulnerability to energy supply disruptions, certain emergency preparations - such as rapid filling of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve - remain principally a government responsibility. But our basic role is to provide a sound and stable economic and policy environment that will enable our citizens, businesses, and governmental units at all levels to make rational decisions on energy use and production." - President Reagan

"As I've pointed out before, conservation efforts are essential to keep our energy needs as low as possible. And we must then take advantage of our energy sources across the board: coal, natural gas, hydro, and nuclear. Our failure to do these things has made us more dependent on foreign oil than ever before." - President H.W Bush

"The nation's growing reliance on imports of oil ... threatens the nation's security." - President Clinton

"Keeping America competitive requires affordable energy. And here we have a serious problem: America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world." - W. Bush

So they have all said we need to get away from foreign oil, but have done nothing about it.
 
2012-02-19 06:58:35 AM
It's different this time because the president is near.
 
2012-02-19 07:01:53 AM

cbackous:
So they have all said we need to get away from foreign oil, but have done nothing about it.


Weird........it's almost as if they're being swayed by some sort of mystery incentive? I don't know. Perhaps we'll never know.

*walks away scratching head*

*camera pans up showing a huge skyscaper conspicuously labeled "Oil Lobby/Campaign Finance Center For Future Good America Fireworks Factory"*
 
2012-02-19 07:03:51 AM
In another thread, someone described a scenario wherein GOP operatives could manipulate oil futures, driving the price of gasoline to $5/gal by the summer in order to create anger in the electorate. I'm sure he's not the only one to think of this...
 
2012-02-19 07:05:17 AM
The reason for our lack of domestic sourcing is not Congress or the President, but NIMBYs.
 
2012-02-19 07:10:47 AM

Lionel Mandrake: For the president's economic team, the specter of such increases in oil prices comes on the heels of positive economic news that has lifted Mr. Obama's approval rating, including better-than-expected job growth, a surging stock market and a payroll tax deal that will put more money in the pockets of millions of Americans.


Too damn bad the skyrocketing gas prices already ate up the payroll tax break, and the "job growth" was actually caused by people dropping out of looking for work. And the surging stock market? Well, if Apple were listed on the Dow rather than NASDAQ we would be staring at a 15K Dow instead of 13K.
 
2012-02-19 07:17:17 AM

dumbobruni: Kibbler: bigpeeler: It's quite simple. If it happened while Bush was in office, it was Bush's fault. If it happened while Obama was in office, it was Bush's fault. What's so hard to understand?
I wish I could create alternate universes so that all of the people who wave away any GOP lie by saying, "b-b-b-b-but Bush!" could go live another eight years under him.
but wasn't the GOP's attitude under Bush that of "b-b-b-b-b-but Clinton?"


And now they just pretend Bush never existed.
Clinton wrecked the economy, Obama made it worse, and tax cuts and deregulation are brand new ideas that haven't been tried before.
 
2012-02-19 07:18:02 AM
That's it. I'm voting for the Republican candidate in November because if he wins it will obviously result in lower gas prices.
 
2012-02-19 07:28:33 AM

dumbobruni: but wasn't the GOP's attitude under Bush that of "b-b-b-b-b-but Clinton?"


Only because the recession was underway when Clinton left office. The Bush administration was not blaming Clinton three years later. I could not find a single article that even hinted at this. But I did find what was the meme in 2002, which was the start of Blame Bush for Everything :

"Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton sharply rapped the Bush Administration, saying the current White House domestic policy is to blame for the stagnant national economy that surfaced in the year after her husband's presidency.".

The simple reality is this : no President ever leaves affairs in perfect order when leaving office. Every President has to contend with budget choices not of their making for the first year. That's it. After the first year, you're on your own and as President the second year on is yours, and yours alone. So yes, in Obama's first year it was all Bush's fault. At day 366, Obama carries the blame for his incompetence at handling the economy.
 
2012-02-19 07:29:42 AM
Subby: (Insert party out of power) ready to hit (insert President) on the soaring price of gas. Not a repeat from every election year in the 21st century

(Insert party out of power) ready to hit (insert President) on (anything they can think of). Not a repeat from (forever).

FTFSubby
 
2012-02-19 07:44:22 AM

1macgeek: dumbobruni: but wasn't the GOP's attitude under Bush that of "b-b-b-b-b-but Clinton?"

Only because the recession was underway when Clinton left office. The Bush administration was not blaming Clinton three years later. I could not find a single article that even hinted at this. But I did find what was the meme in 2002, which was the start of Blame Bush for Everything :

"Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton sharply rapped the Bush Administration, saying the current White House domestic policy is to blame for the stagnant national economy that surfaced in the year after her husband's presidency.".

The simple reality is this : no President ever leaves affairs in perfect order when leaving office. Every President has to contend with budget choices not of their making for the first year. That's it. After the first year, you're on your own and as President the second year on is yours, and yours alone. So yes, in Obama's first year it was all Bush's fault. At day 366, Obama carries the blame for his incompetence at handling the economy.


took me 5 seconds on Google to find a "b-b-b-b-b-but Clinton!" article from 2003

http://www.wnd.com/2003/02/17376/
 
2012-02-19 07:47:02 AM

cbackous: So they have all said we need to get away from foreign oil, but have done nothing about it.


If there was only a rich source of oil in the friendly, foreign country of Canada which would be happy to ship to us via a pipeline.

/I remember 5 years ago we were told we would have to wait 5 years before we would get oil out of ANWR so it wasn't worth it
 
2012-02-19 07:49:42 AM

1macgeek: dumbobruni: but wasn't the GOP's attitude under Bush that of "b-b-b-b-b-but Clinton?"

Only because the recession was underway when Clinton left office. The Bush administration was not blaming Clinton three years later. I could not find a single article that even hinted at this. But I did find what was the meme in 2002, which was the start of Blame Bush for Everything :

"Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton sharply rapped the Bush Administration, saying the current White House domestic policy is to blame for the stagnant national economy that surfaced in the year after her husband's presidency.".

The simple reality is this : no President ever leaves affairs in perfect order when leaving office. Every President has to contend with budget choices not of their making for the first year. That's it. After the first year, you're on your own and as President the second year on is yours, and yours alone. So yes, in Obama's first year it was all Bush's fault. At day 366, Obama carries the blame for his incompetence at handling the economy.


I blame Bush FOR IRAQ. His administration claimed that, among other things, the war would lead to lower oil prices.

There is no talking around that.
 
2012-02-19 07:57:49 AM
Damn you, GOP, for stopping Keystone XL!
 
2012-02-19 08:10:34 AM

Kibbler: 1macgeek: dumbobruni: but wasn't the GOP's attitude under Bush that of "b-b-b-b-b-but Clinton?"

Only because the recession was underway when Clinton left office. The Bush administration was not blaming Clinton three years later. I could not find a single article that even hinted at this. But I did find what was the meme in 2002, which was the start of Blame Bush for Everything :

"Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton sharply rapped the Bush Administration, saying the current White House domestic policy is to blame for the stagnant national economy that surfaced in the year after her husband's presidency.".

The simple reality is this : no President ever leaves affairs in perfect order when leaving office. Every President has to contend with budget choices not of their making for the first year. That's it. After the first year, you're on your own and as President the second year on is yours, and yours alone. So yes, in Obama's first year it was all Bush's fault. At day 366, Obama carries the blame for his incompetence at handling the economy.

I blame Bush FOR IRAQ. His administration claimed that, among other things, the war would lead to lower oil prices.

There is no talking around that.


And the Democrats in an overwhelming majority voted to approve the invasion of Iraq.

There is no talking around that.
 
2012-02-19 08:13:51 AM

EnviroDude: derp


But buried in the derp is one actual piece of fact: retards who want to live wayyyy out in the boonies, and generally mooch off the rest of the country, ARE going to want even more subsidies so they can drive their big ol' v-8s 120 miles round-trip every day into town.

Just another case of the GOP buying votes with welfare programs.
 
2012-02-19 08:14:47 AM

doyner: So how do you think your support for attacking Iran will influence oil prices, GOP?


Show me one quote of an actual GOP member urging an attack on Iran that doesn't equate to some MSNBC "Faux" News expert putting words in someones mouth.
 
2012-02-19 08:22:55 AM

cc_rider: Gee, if the president actually controlled our oil and gas prices, why...that would be socialism!

Why do Republicans want socialism for America?


No, we solved high gas prices by crashing the economy in 2008, given the chance Republicans can easily repeat this performance.
 
2012-02-19 08:23:10 AM

Bazinga In My Pants: Let it soar. The higher the better.

/Uses about 1 gallon of gas per week.

//Live near where you work, folks, and your monthly gasoline bill can be around $16 just like mine.

///Yah, I know higher gas prices affect the costs of goods/services/blah blah blah.


Well, what if the rent near where I work is $1600/mo but 20 miles away the rent for the same size apartment is $900/mo??? What if by living 20 miles away my gas bill goes from $16/mo to only $300/mo?

I'd love to hear your well thought out response to that. It's Fark and you're obviously a liberal a-hole so I'll wait for some LOL response.
 
2012-02-19 08:25:05 AM

MindStalker: No, we solved high gas prices by crashing the economy in 2008, given the chance Republicans can easily repeat this performance.


Republicans weren't in control of Congress in 2008.
 
2012-02-19 08:29:04 AM
When you start having a war of words with an oil producing country in the Middle East, the markets tend to price in the possibility of a supply interruption.

Who knew?
 
2012-02-19 08:33:02 AM

bizzwire: In another thread, someone described a scenario wherein GOP operatives could manipulate oil futures, driving the price of gasoline to $5/gal by the summer in order to create anger in the electorate. I'm sure he's not the only one to think of this...


I'm sure I'm not the only one to think you are a complete freaking idiot. Just goes to show that liberals have their own "birthers" to deal with.
 
2012-02-19 08:35:08 AM

soy_bomb: MindStalker: No, we solved high gas prices by crashing the economy in 2008, given the chance Republicans can easily repeat this performance.

Republicans weren't in control of Congress in 2008.


Wow, hit a nerve. I actually wasn't trying to blame Republicans for the 08 crash, just blaming them for the next one. -grin-
 
2012-02-19 08:36:08 AM
Well I see the derp squad is out this morning. Going on and on about how onerous regulations have stifled domestic production. or how Obama hasn't magically waved his wand and made everything better. But mostly about how their pride and joy was blamed for high oil prices. Completely overlooking the facts surrounding the increases.

1. there aren't "onerous" regulations keeping oil companies from drilling domestically. Mostly what keeps them from drilling here is that it's not feasible for them to do so because of where the deposits are. It's expensive to get to these locations because of the physical elements involved. There are still far cheaper places to drill on the planet. And since oil is a fungible commodity on a global market it doesn't matter where it comes from. Also they're really not needed right now because...

2. It's not a case of demand driving the price. Demand is low. It's speculators driving the price up. Once again the money men have complete control over price setting.(fixing) And the justification they give for such speculation?...

3. Israel is pushing for a war with Iran.
 
2012-02-19 08:40:21 AM

crispyone: Bazinga In My Pants: Let it soar. The higher the better.

/Uses about 1 gallon of gas per week.

//Live near where you work, folks, and your monthly gasoline bill can be around $16 just like mine.

///Yah, I know higher gas prices affect the costs of goods/services/blah blah blah.

Well, what if the rent near where I work is $1600/mo but 20 miles away the rent for the same size apartment is $900/mo??? What if by living 20 miles away my gas bill goes from $16/mo to only $300/mo?

I'd love to hear your well thought out response to that. It's Fark and you're obviously a liberal a-hole so I'll wait for some LOL response.


Actually given the choice between a constant 700 extra and a fluctuating 300 and a long commute, and wear and tear, that could go to 1000 if things go bad with Iran, I'd pick the 700. Though that would depend on other conditions like neighborhood and schools, etc.

Once lived far away, never again.
 
2012-02-19 08:41:12 AM

soy_bomb: cbackous: So they have all said we need to get away from foreign oil, but have done nothing about it.

If there was only a rich source of oil in the friendly, foreign country of Canada which would be happy to ship to us via a pipeline.

/I remember 5 years ago we were told we would have to wait 5 years before we would get oil out of ANWR so it wasn't worth it


If there were only a rich source of oil in our own country that we could ship to ourselves. That sure would solve things.

The saddest thing of all this liberal/Conservative derpitude...is that America doesn't even need any of this oil from Canada.
 
2012-02-19 08:41:59 AM
Why would the Illuminati hit ACORN? I thought they were buddies.
 
2012-02-19 08:44:09 AM
Every year gas prices rise when oil companies pretend that they can't anticipate things like, say, summer.

Add to this, Iran is threatening to close the Strait of Hormuz.

Prediction: Iran will stop saber rattling just after election day. For some completely unrelated reason of course.
 
2012-02-19 08:44:24 AM
I'm sure policies enacted under this administration had an impact just as those implemented under the last one did (probably a bit more, altering drilling policy is a much bigger deal than invading iraq, none of the Arab oil-producing states cared about Iraq and the bulk of our oil comes from south America anyhow). However, the pump-end price of gas is typically driven by speculation and futures trading, not actual events along the supply chain.

So... no. Blame game = not yours. Stop trying to play politics, Boehner, you're no good at it.
 
2012-02-19 08:51:37 AM
The price of gasoline isn't soaring.
 
2012-02-19 08:53:46 AM

erveek: Every year gas prices rise when oil companies pretend that they can't anticipate things like, say, summer.


Every year the oil companies produce the summer blends of gasoline, which cost more than the winter blends of gasoline. The price goes up. Also, people take trips in the summer and use more gasoline, so the price goes up due to higher demand.
 
2012-02-19 08:54:07 AM
I love how people who want to be subsidized to live way the hell out in the boonies think the only expense involved in their commute is gasoline.

They own cars that magically don't require any other maintenance! Just gas! And that extra commute time? Their time does NOT equal money!

In the real world, however, every mile you drive costs you $0.555 (according to the IRS) and makes you sit on your lazy ass an extra minute (@ 60). Probably more, since you have to sit in alll that traffic.

So living 20 miles further away costs you $22.20 a day (111 a week) in actual vehicle expenses, plus sucks an hour out of your day, every day, which you spend on your ass, breathing fumes, and having your blood pressure jacked up by idiots in the traffic. An hour which, theoretically, you could be working and earning money. Or exercising. Or being with your kids. Lets say your time is worth $10 an hour. You lose another $50 a week. So the REAL cost of living 20 miles farther away from work is not $24 a week. It's $161 a week. $692.30 a month.
 
2012-02-19 08:55:46 AM

Bazinga In My Pants: Let it soar. The higher the better.

/Uses about 1 gallon of gas per week.

//Live near where you work, folks, and your monthly gasoline bill can be around $16 just like mine.

///Yah, I know higher gas prices affect the costs of goods/services/blah blah blah.


yes, let's restructure the entire country from the ground up just to satisfy some asshole speculators need to buy yachts
 
MFK
2012-02-19 09:00:45 AM

crispyone: bizzwire: In another thread, someone described a scenario wherein GOP operatives could manipulate oil futures, driving the price of gasoline to $5/gal by the summer in order to create anger in the electorate. I'm sure he's not the only one to think of this...

I'm sure I'm not the only one to think you are a complete freaking idiot. Just goes to show that liberals have their own "birthers" to deal with.


except that it's actually happening: Link (new window)

I know the conservatives won't click on that because they've been told that Think Progress is an EVIL LIBRUL site but people with brains will realize that even though they are unabashedly progressive, they don't actually lie or make shiat up.
 
2012-02-19 09:04:05 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: The price of gasoline isn't soaring.


yea

it only doubled from 1.78 to over $4.00 on the Obama watch

can he double it again in 4 years?

please?
 
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