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2012-02-18 09:08:35 PM
9 votes:
People who respect our nation's democratic traditions don't find it awkward to show respect for people with differing views.
2012-02-18 09:04:40 PM
9 votes:
I've got my issues with her husband, but I said it at the start and I'll say it now...

That woman is PURE CLASS.
2012-02-18 08:39:35 PM
8 votes:
So, what you're saying is, a true First Lady would have biatch-slapped him? Should have biatch-slapped him? Any first Lady who sees someone supporting someone other than her husband should snub that person?

What's your point, smitty?
2012-02-18 09:02:46 PM
6 votes:
Why is that awkward? I highly doubt that Michelle Obama is only approving of one point of political view. Unlike her GOP critics who would pigeon-hole her as such a person, most people can understand and are ok with other people having beliefs and opinions.
2012-02-18 09:01:13 PM
6 votes:
"Awkward"? Seems like "Handled with class" is more like it.
2012-02-18 09:14:27 PM
4 votes:
She really is a class act. Nice to see a First Lady act like one.
2012-02-18 08:53:56 PM
4 votes:
Why would you tour the White House wearing a shirt like that? It's like showing up at a Mets-Phillies game wearing a Yankees jersey.
2012-02-18 09:17:48 PM
3 votes:
Good for MO... Not a fan of her husband, but find MO to be very likable and very real.

As for the little fark who wore a Ron Paul t-shirt to the White House, wtf is wrong with you son? Show some damned respect for the "People's House" and dress appropriately. Damn, you don't have to wear a flippin tuxedo, but could you at least dress as you would if your were attending church... And if you cannot afford at minimum khakis and a collard shirt, you could at minimum save the "I'm voting for someone other than the current guy" t-shirt... You may not like the current head of household at 1600 Penn, but he earned the right to be there by the results of the 2008 election.
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-02-18 08:45:06 PM
3 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: Dusk-You-n-Me: An hour and twenty minutes of hugs. That's pretty cool.

And letting the kids play with Bo. I bet he enjoyed that.


THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION ABOUT PLAYING WITH PETS
2012-02-19 03:35:51 AM
2 votes:
Classy lady is classy.

Comparing black people to primates is racist and not classy at all.

/In case people were having difficulties with the concept.
2012-02-18 10:52:25 PM
2 votes:
People disagree with political figures all the time. That's understandable and healthy.

The people who scare me are the ones whose hatred for Barack Obama is so pathological that it bleeds over into a hatred for his wife. What has she done that's so awful? All she's done, so far as I can tell, is be gracious and charming and act as an advocate for children's health.

Of course the crowd at Free Republic and Fox "News" are so deranged that they're eager to be cruel even to the president's teenage daughters -- and his dog. This country would honestly be better off if there really were FEMA camps for nutbags like that.
2012-02-18 09:14:53 PM
2 votes:

Corvus: boobsrgood: Bipartisan government = rasslin' match! Can we have some more parties now, please?

You're right multiparty government like UK don't have political fights. And if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.


And if you think choosing between criminal A and liar B every four years is freedom, then you already bought one.
2012-02-18 09:12:27 PM
2 votes:

boobsrgood: Bipartisan government = rasslin' match! Can we have some more parties now, please?


You're right multiparty government like UK don't have political fights. And if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.
2012-02-18 09:11:31 PM
2 votes:

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: People who respect our nation's democratic traditions don't find it awkward to show respect for people with differing views.


Well, yes. From the picture, it looks like a perfectly polite exchange. Leave it to the media to turn it into someone scandalous.

Leave it to the farkers to take the bait.

;-)
2012-02-18 09:09:36 PM
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Apparently some people think Mrs. Obama is a hateful, bitter woman.


I get inundated with Tea Party propaganda from my step-brother, and they do indeed think Michelle Obama is a hateful, bitter, anti-American woman. It's pretty sad, really.
2012-02-18 09:02:26 PM
2 votes:
Why is that awkward? Given Mr. Paul's political relevancy, it's kind of like showing up to Fenway Park in an Astros jersey. Yeah, you might get some strange looks, but who is going to actually get pissed?
2012-02-18 09:01:30 PM
2 votes:
Perhaps she is aware that Ron Paul has zero chance of becoming the GOP nominee.
2012-02-20 12:02:50 AM
1 votes:

mccallcl: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: If you think people should have a dress code beyond covering the legal reuirements to go pretty much anywhere, including the White House, then I feel sorry for you.

You should, the additional opportunities life presents to those of us that don't dress like a baby can be overwhelming. Thanks for your sympathies.


I do hope you see the irony in your response given the subject of this thread. If this kid had dressed "appropriately" for his visit to the White House, he would have gotten to meet the First Lady, and that's pretty much it. Instead, because he dressed the way he did, he got his picture in at least one online news source, and has the potential to garner some Internet fame out of this. At least when it comes to this kid, his opportunities are greater for having dressed "inappropriately" for a visit to the White House.
2012-02-19 08:34:38 AM
1 votes:

lollipophead: When I'm running errands I wear jeans, but at the White House I have always dressed up. I even wear pantyhose when I'm there even if just a few people see me because you never know who's walking around. I don't think I've ever worn jeans in DC at all because I'd feel like a slob. But
I'd feel ridiculous wearing
pantyhose in So Cal. I don't understand why people have to wear jeans as tourists. They're not necessarily any more comfortable than a nice pair of pants and they look disrespectful at the White House.


I understand where you're coming from, but there are legitimately different schools of thought on this, especially having to do with what the White House represents in American society. The White House is analogous to 10 Downing Street, not Buckingham Palace. At its most fundamental level, it's the publicly provided domicile of the chief executive, elected by and for his peers of all national citizens (not just the most important ones), of a nation of equals. It's therefore not strictly INappropriate to dress casually while visiting there for leisure, if that's how you normally dress in daily life, since the place is supposed to be more about you as a citizen of the republic than about the people who work there every day and have to dress nice for it.

It pleases me to see casually-dressed Americans at the White House. It reassures me that we haven't bought into the notion that our leaders are somehow above us. I do agree that one should *behave* respectfully there, but I also believe that one should do so everywhere, all the time, not just in 'special' places. We are, after all, whoever we are when we don't have to be. But we should not feel bad about being ourselves in a place that, that exists for our benefit, and that we pay for.
2012-02-19 01:39:21 AM
1 votes:

BSABSVR: UnspokenVoice: I seldom use the ignore feature easily. This thread offered me two, I think they were good choices. Sometimes you don't need to actually read more of their posts than the one to know, with certainty, that you don't have to worry about missing quality posts in the future.

You seldom use the ignore feature easily, yet you used it over a minor aside about dress? Christ, what the hell do you do in a thread about proper use of a sauce spoon?


I'll answer in the order you asked...

First, you're welcome to assume it was simply about the aside concerning the manner of dress. I can assure you that it was not but you're welcome to assume that, it shows that I either didn't clarify enough or that you're incapable of reading or, perhaps, a combination between the two. I'll assume that it was the latter.

No, I can assure you that it was a far more noble reason. The reality is that they and I have nothing to discuss and I have nothing to gain from them. They, through expressing their sentiment, are clearly not the kind of people in whom I've interest.

If one thinks that you can express an opinion as poorly written as that and as ignorant as that then I am pretty comfortable saying this: I believe that all people are entitled to the same basic human rights, I'm a firm believer in equality in the eye of the law. I have no problem, however, adding that I believe they and I have nothing in common and that I value my time more than I appreciate the slim chance that we may share something meaningful in common such as our favorite color.

Your assumption that it is solely due to the matter of dress is a bit simplistic. It is okay to assume, it is okay to judge, it is how we function as people. If you see someone drooling on themselves in a wheelchair you can assume that they're not the president. If you see someone waving a gun in a bank you can reasonably infer that they're not the district manager giving a motivational speech.

Second, I'll stab someone for using the inappropriate spoon...

Not really, but... I do have serious issues with how people eat and certain behaviors will result in immediate termination of your right to eat around me. I realize that I have issues with how people eat. I will take your food away in my home.

No, obviously, that it doesn't apply to their homes nor to public spaces. If you eat like a pig you're still free to do so. You're just not allowed to do so at my house.

Concerning your spoon question? Meh... I'm only concerned with the "how" and the noise associated with it as well as their capacity to keep their mouth shut while eating.

I'm still not a huge fan of the ignore feature. I used to think it was a bit silly until I realized that I wasn't going to miss out on something brilliant in the future from some of you. So, I use it sparingly and only when I'm reasonably certain that they're at an intellectual level that I'm not interested in approaching.

It doesn't matter what their race, gender, sexual preference, or political party is. I don't ignore people simply because I disagree with them. I ignore them because they have no way to express anything I have interest in.

The same is true for my "friends" choices. A good many of the people who are highlighted green (my "friend" color) not despite my disagreeing with their views but because I disagree with them but I also value how they articulate it and appreciate our differences. I respect that they have different philosophical, economic, or political views and I respect their opinions on some of those matters even though I disagree with them.

I realize your questioning was likely an attempt at brilliance, snark, or trolling though so perhaps you'd like to try again? I'm a bit of an asshole but I'm fairly reasonable about it and fairly consistent, you're welcome to continue with the questions though. I wasn't doing anything better.

I suppose you wanted some other reply? Or perhaps you just don't take the time to think things through? Maybe you were hoping for something to make you proud or to give you a brief moment where you could feel good about yourself. I'm sort of sorry if I don't provide that for you. Maybe next time kid, maybe next time.
2012-02-19 01:15:17 AM
1 votes:

BroncoFan_17: Actually, if you REALLY listen to Ron Paul, 75% of what he says is pretty damned right on. His problem is the other 25%. It's not just something that others could disagree with...........it's downright, batshiat crazy.


Actually, I would say it is about 50/50.
2012-02-19 01:14:40 AM
1 votes:

BroncoFan_17: Actually, if you REALLY listen to Ron Paul, 75% of what he says is pretty damned right on. His problem is the other 25%. It's not just something that others could disagree with...........it's downright, batshiat crazy.


Other way around.
2012-02-19 01:13:30 AM
1 votes:
Actually, if you REALLY listen to Ron Paul, 75% of what he says is pretty damned right on. His problem is the other 25%. It's not just something that others could disagree with...........it's downright, batshiat crazy.
2012-02-19 01:13:13 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: If Patrick Ewing mated with a mountain gorilla, you would get Michelle Obama.


She looks pretty hot in that video. It think you might just not like black people.
2012-02-19 12:31:58 AM
1 votes:
Ron Paul is dead center with those that have any idea of whats cool in America now. It surely isn't Newt or Obama, they're for the dyed in the wool OLD, TIRED, FAILED, CORRUPT SYSTEM that's on it's way out! Our youth and Dr.Paul "crazy people" will put this country back on track like our forefathers. If you believe our country is doing well you have been in OZ with Alice.
2012-02-18 11:53:26 PM
1 votes:

SharkTrager: Benevolent Misanthrope: Bathia_Mapes: Benevolent Misanthrope: So, what you're saying is, a true First Lady would have biatch-slapped him? Should have biatch-slapped him? Any first Lady who sees someone supporting someone other than her husband should snub that person?

What's your point, smitty?

I'm the submitter and that's not what I was saying at all. In case you didn't notice, I used the "amusing" tag because I thought it was an amusing situation. I also thought the First Lady handled an awkward situation very well.

Ah - if I'd know it was you, I wouldn't have assumed the snark I did.

And yeah - I bet Bo was a happy dog. He seems to be getting better behaved now that he's no longer such a puppy.

Wait. People pay attention to the behavior of the President's dog?


Yes. Presidential dogs have drawn the attention of the public for years. FDR with Fala, Nixon & his famous Checkers speech, LBJ lifting one of his dogs by the ears, etc.
2012-02-18 11:10:43 PM
1 votes:

bmihura: jpo2269: Good for MO... Not a fan of her husband, but find MO to be very likable and very real.

As for the little fark who wore a Ron Paul t-shirt to the White House, wtf is wrong with you son? Show some damned respect for the "People's House" and dress appropriately. Damn, you don't have to wear a flippin tuxedo, but could you at least dress as you would if your were attending church... And if you cannot afford at minimum khakis and a collard shirt, you could at minimum save the "I'm voting for someone other than the current guy" t-shirt... You may not like the current head of household at 1600 Penn, but he earned the right to be there by the results of the 2008 election.

I'll show some damned respect once they can balance their own budget. Until then, how about no?


You know who passes budgets? No?
2012-02-18 10:37:50 PM
1 votes:
Here's the real question-- who wears a t-shirt to the White House? And it's not like his family or school group just decided to walk in on a whim, that shiat has to be scheduled. There's background checks and everything.

And yes, I'm aware that the answer to the above is "a teenager," which is why parents exist.
2012-02-18 10:16:04 PM
1 votes:

It was the Bush minions who would eject people wearing opposing shirts at events, and even lobby against "gasp" flashing peace signs in the media in war-time.

ts3.mm.bing.net

Before

ts4.mm.bing.net

After


Maybe Obama can put journalists and activists who oppose his agenda on no fly lists like his predecessor did, and we can avoid further awkward moments in this presidency.
2012-02-18 10:13:49 PM
1 votes:

phenn: Big farking perception problem in this country. Big one.


And you're an excellent example of that. Stop reading so much into comments on the internet in a vain attempt to feel superior, and don't pick petty arguments.
2012-02-18 10:12:03 PM
1 votes:

Bungles: As a non-American independent observe, the US currently have easily the most farkable First Lady. You should be exploiting this.


And I'm including Carla Bruni here.


As an american, I agree, although I wouldn't kick Carla Bruni out of bed.
2012-02-18 10:06:53 PM
1 votes:

phenn: culebra: phenn: Hero worship. Not attractive.

Hyperbolic assessment of internet humor. Not intelligent.

Deflection. Not working.


Deflection from what? Michelle Obama is an excellent First Lady. The Daily Mail is considered by everyone that is actually familiar with it to be a tabloid, there was nothing awkward about the encounter (despite the implication otherwise in the headline), and nothing I've said would indicate that Michelle Obama is a hero to me. I know I know, it's the word "awesome", but I'm using it in the colloquial sense rather than the literal.

Weren't you "moving on"?
2012-02-18 10:06:25 PM
1 votes:

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: People who respect our nation's democratic traditions don't find it awkward to show respect for people with differing views.


But CNN, MSNBC and Fox News have trained us to believe that the only choice is to be staunchly partisan. It's so much easier than thinking for ourself.
2012-02-18 10:03:22 PM
1 votes:

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: People who respect our nation's democratic traditions don't find it awkward to show respect for people with differing views.


www.thegrowthmasters.com
2012-02-18 09:46:57 PM
1 votes:

Corvus: boobsrgood: Corvus: boobsrgood: Bipartisan government = rasslin' match! Can we have some more parties now, please?

You're right multiparty government like UK don't have political fights. And if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

And if you think choosing between criminal A and liar B every four years is freedom, then you already bought one.

Democracy is not a perfect system, no one said it was. It is a better system then other systems. Can it be improved on yes but when you have a system where you must get a majority (or plurality) to put people in power it take compromise. Most people don't like compromise but that's how government needs to work.

If everyone voted only for politicians that stood for 100% they wanted then no one would get more than 1 or 2 votes each. I find it sad that people really don't understand the how and why of our democratic system anymore. They have this fallacious belief that democracy was created to get the best candidate in the US. It wasn't, it never was meant to. It was to find people that a majority would go "I can live with this guy in charge."


The candidates we are offered now stand for nothing except money and packaging. Every major issue of the day is researched with focus groups, and then divided into two idiotic opposing "camps" of opinion, with pictures and arrows. Hence the rasslin' match analogy. We are discussing this in a thread about a t-shirt slogan. Awkward? Why? Was he seated in the wrong section? Idiotic.

Oversimplification is the bailiwick of the uneducated. A better system than all the others? Bipartisanship? Seriously? How surprising that you would reach that conclusion.
2012-02-18 09:35:52 PM
1 votes:
Daily Fail? Check.
Michelle Obama doing a totally mundane, classy thing? Check
Headline written by a social incompetent? Check

This thread never had a chance.
Oh, and the First Lady is awesome. Deal with it.
2012-02-18 09:35:33 PM
1 votes:

Shaggy_C: Corvus: Oh and one more thing. I don't think it's "Freedom" I think it's Democracy. I think you must have the two things confused.

The second is the illusion of the first, eh?


homepage.mac.com

/straight to the point!
2012-02-18 09:31:00 PM
1 votes:
That's the closest RON PAUL will ever get to the White House.
2012-02-18 09:24:54 PM
1 votes:

LindyJohn: Who the hell wears a T-shirt on a tour of the White House, let alone a political one?


Teenagers.

But then again, it's a tour, not a state visit. If he was dragged to that AND the various monuments, the Capitol and assorted other rigmarole I'm not really going to slate him for dressing comfortably. And at least by advertising a candidate he's taking an interest in the whole citizenship thing. I'm not really seeing a problem anywhere in this really.
2012-02-18 09:24:27 PM
1 votes:

boobsrgood: Corvus: boobsrgood: Bipartisan government = rasslin' match! Can we have some more parties now, please?

You're right multiparty government like UK don't have political fights. And if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

And if you think choosing between criminal A and liar B every four years is freedom, then you already bought one.


Democracy is not a perfect system, no one said it was. It is a better system then other systems. Can it be improved on yes but when you have a system where you must get a majority (or plurality) to put people in power it take compromise. Most people don't like compromise but that's how government needs to work.

If everyone voted only for politicians that stood for 100% they wanted then no one would get more than 1 or 2 votes each. I find it sad that people really don't understand the how and why of our democratic system anymore. They have this fallacious belief that democracy was created to get the best candidate in the US. It wasn't, it never was meant to. It was to find people that a majority would go "I can live with this guy in charge."
2012-02-18 09:11:05 PM
1 votes:

odinsposse: Cracking down on someone for wearing a political shirt on a White House tour has "bad press" written all over it.


Yes, as far as I know White House tours don't require you to sign a "loyalty pledge".
2012-02-18 09:09:10 PM
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: GAT_00: Why would you tour the White House wearing a shirt like that? It's like showing up at a Mets-Phillies game wearing a Yankees jersey.

IMHO, I think he did it to see if he could get a reaction from the First Lady. If that was his intent, he failed spectacularly.

Seeing as he's a teen, he might have done it on a dare too.


Except he didn't know he was meeting the First Lady. More likely he just wears the shirt around. I doubt it was risky at all. Cracking down on someone for wearing a political shirt on a White House tour has "bad press" written all over it.
2012-02-18 09:07:06 PM
1 votes:
That's not awkward at all. The president is the elected representative and leader of America, and even Ron Paul supporters are constituents of the President, and the first lady has similar expectations. It would have been awkward if she treated the t-shirt guy any different from anybody else.
2012-02-18 09:06:58 PM
1 votes:
Bipartisan government = rasslin' match! Can we have some more parties now, please?
2012-02-18 09:05:51 PM
1 votes:

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: [i1208.photobucket.com image 468x344]


As a woman who is 6'1", I share Michelle's pain in finding dresses and trousers that fit properly.

Kudos to her for being gracious to the Paulaneer.

/RON PAUL!!!
2012-02-18 09:04:54 PM
1 votes:

Alphakronik: Why is that awkward? I highly doubt that Michelle Obama is only approving of one point of political view. Unlike her GOP critics who would pigeon-hole her as such a person, most people can understand and are ok with other people having beliefs and opinions.


they just don't come to the Fark politics tab :)
2012-02-18 09:04:17 PM
1 votes:

Alphakronik: Why is that awkward? I highly doubt that Michelle Obama is only approving of one point of political view. Unlike her GOP critics who would pigeon-hole her as such a person, most people can understand and are ok with other people having beliefs and opinions.


Apparently some people think Mrs. Obama is a hateful, bitter woman.
2012-02-18 08:58:07 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Why would you tour the White House wearing a shirt like that? It's like showing up at a Mets-Phillies game wearing a Yankees jersey.


IMHO, I think he did it to see if he could get a reaction from the First Lady. If that was his intent, he failed spectacularly.

Seeing as he's a teen, he might have done it on a dare too.
2012-02-18 08:45:18 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, what you're saying is, a true First Lady would have biatch-slapped him? Should have biatch-slapped him? Any first Lady who sees someone supporting someone other than her husband should snub that person?

What's your point, smitty?


I'm the submitter and that's not what I was saying at all. In case you didn't notice, I used the "amusing" tag because I thought it was an amusing situation. I also thought the First Lady handled an awkward situation very well.
2012-02-18 08:38:29 PM
1 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: An hour and twenty minutes of hugs. That's pretty cool.


And letting the kids play with Bo. I bet he enjoyed that.
 
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