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2012-02-18 05:49:29 PM

MeinRS6: stoli n coke: Amos Quito: [www.thisshirtrocks.com image 200x200]

Wouldn't it be cool if he could just run on the merits of what has done for ALL Americans?

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Race card is race card no matter who plays it.

Show a little class, Obama.

I think a dead Bin Laden was a gift for all of us, does that count?

Navy SEALs did that.


And I'm sure they didn't have to get an okay for the mission from the president, right Tats?
 
2012-02-18 05:51:15 PM

TheMadChaosopher: why would "african americans" support Obama?

it should be "mullatos for Obama"


His dad was African. His mom was American.

Do you need someone to draw you a picture?
 
2012-02-18 05:52:27 PM

Tatsuma: MeinRS6: That doesn't make sense to me. The context of the thread is about the names of the groups. Names that contain current numerical minorities(in the national sense, in some places blacks are not in the minority at all) are considered acceptable, where one containing anything about whites would not be acceptable. Like I said, it's a long standing double standard. And a poor one at that.

I would agree that it is, in fact, a double standard. The thing is, double standards are not inherently wrong.

When you have a group that is clearly in a position of power (and there is no denying that, as a whole, caucasians Jews in Israel are in a position of power versus African-Americans non-Jews), just because African-Americans non-Jews can organize to try and advance their position in society doesn't mean that the group in power gets to get advocacy group to keep those advantages.



I rearranged those word just a bit for you, brah.

How do you thing that argument would float in Israel?


/Hypocrisy FTW
 
2012-02-18 05:56:42 PM
Every Amos Quito post ever posted on Fark, summed up in 3 words -

Joooos Joooooos Joooooooooooooos!
 
2012-02-18 06:00:52 PM
Wow, that's pretty damn disgusting. Just another example of how it's cool for blacks to be racist. Never thought I'd see the president doing it.
 
2012-02-18 06:01:20 PM

MeinRS6: Every Amos Quito post ever posted on Fark, summed up in 3 words -

Joooos Joooooos Joooooooooooooos!


Funny Mein, I thought it was Tatsuma that was the one always pointing out people making fun of Jews. I wonder why that would be.
 
2012-02-18 06:01:23 PM

culebra: BloodySaxon: culebra: BloodySaxon: As a white person, I enjoy the privilege of sniveling idiots repeating sociology 101 bunk about how my life was preordained by skin color.

You're the real victim here.

Yes, that's definitely what I just said.


/wow

You seem quite easily offended.


I may have misread your intent, but the invoking "____ privilege" is the lazy way of silencing people. "Male privilege" is what is used to charge a male in New York State with rape based only on the fact that the female was drunk during sex, regardless of whether the male initiated contact or was also inebriated. Did you see the idiotic Dawkins fiasco last year? The idea of a man inviting a woman back to his place for coffee on an elevator is a disgusting intimidation factor because men are stronger than women, or hold a higher place in society than women, or because there are a lot of horrible males out there, so we're all guilty.. Propositioning someone (innocently or not) is actually abuse of male privilege.

White privilege is used as a hammer to justify racist government policies under the guise of leveling the playing field. We can discuss empathy and life experience all we like, but once "white privilege" is invoked, it means that no white man has ever suffered greater indignities than other ethnic groups. It means some idiot up-thread can say if you're not a playboy and you're white, you failed hard at life.

And it almost seems like I have to qualify it now, even though I shouldn't. Europeans were absolute MONSTERS to American Indians, Africans, Chinese, and whatever group of people they could dehumanize and harness for profit and power. America has a very troubled past with race relations (and our diversity puts greater challenges on us than almost any other nation today). At the end of the day, what does pointing out so called "white privilege" lead to? Is it just for ignorant mouthbreathers to check themselves and their stations before they assume to know somebody else's trouble?

If a white guy that looks like he's part of a biker gang walks past the police, and a clearly middle class black (or insert your fetish here) person does the same do you really think the black guy is turning heads?
 
2012-02-18 06:13:27 PM
What's the matter with "African-Americans for Gingrich"? "White People for Gingrich" might be a little more problematical, but certainly it's been used in the past, the not too distant past, discretely in select markets. By the way, the next big Jewish holiday coming up is Purim, and I think it would be nice if every Jew in America sent Rick Santorum a Purim card, maybe with reference to what happened to Haman. Or one of those mini-torahs they give out at bar mitzvahs. Maybe every time Santorum's name is mentioned we should hiss and spin a gragger.
 
2012-02-18 06:13:35 PM
This thread is a train wreck.
 
2012-02-18 06:14:14 PM

BloodySaxon: culebra: BloodySaxon: culebra: BloodySaxon: As a white person, I enjoy the privilege of sniveling idiots repeating sociology 101 bunk about how my life was preordained by skin color.

You're the real victim here.

Yes, that's definitely what I just said.


/wow

You seem quite easily offended.

I may have misread your intent, but the invoking "____ privilege" is the lazy way of silencing people. "Male privilege" is what is used to charge a male in New York State with rape based only on the fact that the female was drunk during sex, regardless of whether the male initiated contact or was also inebriated. Did you see the idiotic Dawkins fiasco last year? The idea of a man inviting a woman back to his place for coffee on an elevator is a disgusting intimidation factor because men are stronger than women, or hold a higher place in society than women, or because there are a lot of horrible males out there, so we're all guilty.. Propositioning someone (innocently or not) is actually abuse of male privilege.

White privilege is used as a hammer to justify racist government policies under the guise of leveling the playing field. We can discuss empathy and life experience all we like, but once "white privilege" is invoked, it means that no white man has ever suffered greater indignities than other ethnic groups. It means some idiot up-thread can say if you're not a playboy and you're white, you failed hard at life.

And it almost seems like I have to qualify it now, even though I shouldn't. Europeans were absolute MONSTERS to American Indians, Africans, Chinese, and whatever group of people they could dehumanize and harness for profit and power. America has a very troubled past with race relations (and our diversity puts greater challenges on us than almost any other nation today). At the end of the day, what does pointing out so called "white privilege" lead to? Is it just for ignorant mouthbreathers to check themselves and their stations before they assume to know somebody ...


I totally understand where you're coming from and agree with most of these sentiments. Truly, anyone who claims that any one particular ethnicity's life in this world is easy probably is coming at the question from a naive perspective. A lot of these people are indeed social sciences undergrads (I've taught them...generally vile).

However, I've found it more constructive to accept that as a white male, I am relatively privileged Ipso facto. I have felt the sting of women being wary around me because I am male, been accused of racism out of hand because I am white, or glared at by the cops during the times when I had long hair (which is different because, like the biker, I am making a choice).

In the end though, in this unavoidably discriminatory world, among this naturally discriminatory species, I feel luckier than most because most of the assumptions that most people make about me are flattering.
 
2012-02-18 06:19:46 PM

DavidVincent: This thread is a train wreck.


choo-choo
 
2012-02-18 06:20:25 PM

DavidVincent: This thread is a train wreck.


welcometofark.jpg
 
2012-02-18 06:26:51 PM
I would be all for a white candidate trying to court white voters for his or her campaign if I weren't absolutely certain there would be an overt belligerent element to it.

That's the problem when a privileged class tried to "respond" to a perceived slight by the minority. Whenever a black comedian does the hack "white people can't dance" routine a white person tries to respond with black people stereotypes, but always takes the humor to a dark place (typically involving jail or absentee dads). Remember that attempted all-white professional basketball league from a couple of years ago? The "commissioner" of that league could've tried to make a valid social statement but he turned out to be batshiat insane, ranting about hip-hop and thugs. And, of course, you have the usual "affirmative action bake sales" that have the added bonus of not even understanding who affirmative action generally benefits!

Never respond out of anger. It just makes you look like a bigger douche. I'd love to brainstorm how a politically-correct "White People for White Candidate" campaign would work, but getting advice from a mutt like me would be...counterproductive?
 
2012-02-18 06:27:08 PM
If you want to be racially accurate, how about Mulattos for Michelle's man.
 
2012-02-18 06:28:26 PM

DavidVincent: This thread is a train wreck.


www.blackisonline.com
 
2012-02-18 06:31:08 PM

kyrg: If you want to be racially accurate, how about Mulattos for Michelle's man.



You sound alliterate.
 
2012-02-18 06:32:26 PM

kyrg: If you want to be racially accurate, how about Mulattos for Michelle's man.


Sorry, we as a society (or individuals) don't get to apply the One Drop Rule for centuries and then switch nomenclature as soon as a man who self-identifies as black become president.

Welcome to my ignore list, but not because you are ignorant of the history of interethnic turmoil in America. It's because that canard has already been used in this very thread, and summarily debunked. The only thing worse than a troll is a lazy troll.
 
2012-02-18 06:37:07 PM
minnesotaindependent.com

But the Jews are still OK right?
 
2012-02-18 06:39:20 PM

culebra: BloodySaxon: culebra: BloodySaxon: culebra: BloodySaxon: As a white person, I enjoy the privilege of sniveling idiots repeating sociology 101 bunk about how my life was preordained by skin color.

You're the real victim here.

Yes, that's definitely what I just said.


/wow

You seem quite easily offended.

I may have misread your intent, but the invoking "____ privilege" is the lazy way of silencing people. "Male privilege" is what is used to charge a male in New York State with rape based only on the fact that the female was drunk during sex, regardless of whether the male initiated contact or was also inebriated. Did you see the idiotic Dawkins fiasco last year? The idea of a man inviting a woman back to his place for coffee on an elevator is a disgusting intimidation factor because men are stronger than women, or hold a higher place in society than women, or because there are a lot of horrible males out there, so we're all guilty.. Propositioning someone (innocently or not) is actually abuse of male privilege.

White privilege is used as a hammer to justify racist government policies under the guise of leveling the playing field. We can discuss empathy and life experience all we like, but once "white privilege" is invoked, it means that no white man has ever suffered greater indignities than other ethnic groups. It means some idiot up-thread can say if you're not a playboy and you're white, you failed hard at life.

And it almost seems like I have to qualify it now, even though I shouldn't. Europeans were absolute MONSTERS to American Indians, Africans, Chinese, and whatever group of people they could dehumanize and harness for profit and power. America has a very troubled past with race relations (and our diversity puts greater challenges on us than almost any other nation today). At the end of the day, what does pointing out so called "white privilege" lead to? Is it just for ignorant mouthbreathers to check themselves and their stations before they assume to ...


I think to pretend there aren't often serious detriments associated with ethnicity, and bad actors in all walks of life is serious naive, borderline idiotic (which places many of us at odds with family, of course), and it IS nice to have a little dosage of self awareness in life. My beef is not with that. It's with this linguistics shell game that justifies segregating and grouping and classifying ethnicity instead of individualism. This just opens the door for the next elected clown, unelected bureaucrat, or influential donor to abuse yet another dangerous legislative tool.

Impressionable college kids ate that crap up a few years ago. i can't imagine it's any different now.
 
2012-02-18 06:42:59 PM

Amos Quito: DavidVincent: This thread is a train wreck.

[www.blackisonline.com image 556x309]


RIP Don Imus
 
2012-02-18 06:52:25 PM

Amos Quito: DavidVincent: This thread is a train wreck.

[www.blackisonline.com image 556x309]


RIP Cornelius Bumpus
 
2012-02-18 07:01:46 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-02-18 07:09:08 PM
So is this according to subtardmitter are these also deemed "racist" by your fantasy of the liberal world?
images2.cpcache.com

images5.cpcache.com

You know WHITE candidates have these too. Or just blacks aren't allowed to have it?
 
2012-02-18 07:10:40 PM

Corvus: So is this according to subtardmitter are these also deemed "racist" by your fantasy of the liberal world?


Irish is a "race" now?
 
2012-02-18 07:12:50 PM

Shaggy_C: Corvus: So is this according to subtardmitter are these also deemed "racist" by your fantasy of the liberal world?

Irish is a "race" now?


Irish-American just as much as "African-american" is. Don't force me to walk through your stupidity once more.
 
2012-02-18 07:15:39 PM

Shaggy_C: Corvus: So is this according to subtardmitter are these also deemed "racist" by your fantasy of the liberal world?

Irish is a "race" now?


It's "African American". Are you trying to tell us all black people in the world are "African American"? Do you really want to go with that or do you want to retreat now?
 
2012-02-18 07:17:00 PM

Tatsuma:
so yeah either we are truly two different people living in two different countries OR I have two computers set up next to each others, where I am logged onto Fark, I am the faster poster of all time, can multitask the shiat out of stupid conversations AND I sometimes forget which computer I'm typing on

It's a retarded derail that is really just boring at this point.


Or, just two different browsers open on the same computer.

/Sessions, how do they farking work?
 
2012-02-18 07:17:04 PM

Corvus: Irish-American just as much as "African-american" is. Don't force me to walk through your stupidity once more.


"African American" is a euphemism for skin tone. "Irish American" is not. No one ever talks about the "African American community" and includes in that statement white South African immigrants or North African Arabs. You can't be this obtuse.
 
2012-02-18 07:18:38 PM

Corvus: Shaggy_C: Corvus: So is this according to subtardmitter are these also deemed "racist" by your fantasy of the liberal world?

Irish is a "race" now?

Irish-American just as much as "African-american" is. Don't force me to walk through your stupidity once more.


Irish are mostly caucasians, dumbass. I'm sure there are African Irish as well. Don't confuse race with national identity.
 
2012-02-18 07:18:59 PM

Shaggy_C: Corvus: Irish-American just as much as "African-american" is. Don't force me to walk through your stupidity once more.

"African American" is a euphemism for skin tone.
"Irish American" is not. No one ever talks about the "African American community" and includes in that statement white South African immigrants or North African Arabs. You can't be this obtuse.


So Black people who never have been to AMERICA ever are "AFRICAN AMERICANS"?

You really want to go with this?
 
2012-02-18 07:20:39 PM

Corvus: Shaggy_C: Corvus: So is this according to subtardmitter are these also deemed "racist" by your fantasy of the liberal world?

Irish is a "race" now?

It's "African American". Are you trying to tell us all black people in the world are "African American"? Do you really want to go with that or do you want to retreat now?



The African-Africans of South Africa would like their own word.

Any ideas?


www.lovelypet.org

^ African ^
 
2012-02-18 07:20:47 PM

Madbassist1: Irish are mostly caucasians, dumbass. I'm sure there are African Irish as well. Don't confuse race with national identity.


What country to Irish-american have for national identity and which ones do African Americans? I would think both consider themselves "Americans". You don't think this is true?
 
2012-02-18 07:21:34 PM

Shaggy_C: "African American" is a euphemism for skin tone. "Irish American" is not. No one ever talks about the "African American community" and includes in that statement white South African immigrants or North African Arabs. You can't be this obtuse


The African American community or black community is connected to the black american that can trace their heritage back to slavery and that's it. Obviously, with changing times, the descriptor has changed from colored to black to african-american. But, it still connects the same group of people.

And, given their history, there really is only one connection that those people have...skin tone.

If you'd like to get in to the semantics of how "african-americans" have been living in America for centuries, so it is a silly descriptor, then fine. If you'd like to talk about how someone with an American dad and an Egyptian mom doesn't call themselves african-american, then fine.

But, it's pretty dense to see why skin tone is the sole common organizational piece.
 
2012-02-18 07:22:26 PM

Shaggy_C: "African American" is a euphemism for skin tone.



www.thefamouspeople.com
So you are saying Nelson Mendela is an "African AMERICAN"?
 
2012-02-18 07:23:48 PM

bulldg4life: The African American community or black community is connected to the black american that can trace their heritage back to slavery and that's it. Obviously, with changing times, the descriptor has changed from colored to black to african-american. But, it still connects the same group of people.


THIS!

In fact Obama is not considered an "African American" by many people because his ancestry didn't come over as a slave.
 
2012-02-18 07:28:04 PM

Shaggy_C: Corvus: So is this according to subtardmitter are these also deemed "racist" by your fantasy of the liberal world?

Irish is a "race" now?


The vast majority of irish-Americans are white just like the vast majority of African-Americans are blacks. However not all whites are irish-American and all Blacks are not African-Americans.

To say ALL blacks are African-americans is pure stupidity and not surprising from a troll like you.
 
2012-02-18 07:28:37 PM

Corvus: So Black people who never have been to AMERICA ever are "AFRICAN AMERICANS"?


I never said anything of the sort, silly Corvus. I'm speaking strictly from the perspective of the United States, which is why we're using the hyphenated "-American" in the first place.

The point is that when someone in the United States says "African American", they are using a nice phrase conjured up by liberals in the 1980s to provide a politically correct replacement for the terms used in the decades before our society became enlightened enough to make racism a bad thing.

How about i put it more simply, so you can understand:

Chinese American:Nigerian American::Asian American:African American

There's a definite difference between a national identity and a regional descriptor associated with a particular racial phenotype.

Ireland is a nation, not a race.
 
2012-02-18 07:28:43 PM

bulldg4life: Shaggy_C: "African American" is a euphemism for skin tone. "Irish American" is not. No one ever talks about the "African American community" and includes in that statement white South African immigrants or North African Arabs. You can't be this obtuse

The African American community or black community is connected to the black american that can trace their heritage back to slavery and that's it.



Obama's daddy came from Africa, and returned. Obama can claim no "heritage" of his ancestors being enslaved - at least not in America. So according to the above, he cannot identify as an "African American" even though he truly IS 1/2 African and 1/2 American.

Aren't politically correct semantics silly?


/Can't we just call a spade a spade?
 
2012-02-18 07:30:36 PM
So Shaggy_C You said "African-American" is a race and a euphemism for skin tone.


So Blacks who NEVER been to America are "African Americans" too?

Please answer this first before realizing how stupid of a statement you made and trying to hide it and change the subject.
 
2012-02-18 07:31:41 PM

Amos Quito: Aren't politically correct semantics silly?


Only thing sillier is people that argue about them instead of accepting why they showed up and then admonishing the silliness of it.
 
2012-02-18 07:32:20 PM

bulldg4life: The African American community or black community is connected to the black american that can trace their heritage back to slavery and that's it. Obviously, with changing times, the descriptor has changed from colored to black to african-american. But, it still connects the same group of people.


I'd like to see you stand up in front of a group of recent immigrants and tell them that they're not "African Americans". The only reason it's associated with slave heritage is because for a very long time those were the only people of African lineage who were in this country. Remember, our old immigrations laws were incredibly restrictive against anyone not of "proper European stock". It's only been in the last four decades that we actually started having real immigration from Africa.
 
2012-02-18 07:33:23 PM

Shaggy_C: I never said anything of the sort, silly Corvus. I'm speaking strictly from the perspective of the United States, which is why we're using the hyphenated "-American" in the first place.


You never said:

Shaggy_C: "African American" is a euphemism for skin tone.


Then someone must be hacking your account?

What "skin tone" is Nelson Mendela? What Race is Nelson Mendela?

What is the the race that is a euphemism to "African American?"
 
2012-02-18 07:35:15 PM

Shaggy_C: I'd like to see you stand up in front of a group of recent immigrants and tell them that they're not "African Americans".


That's not the point he was making.

Now what race is Nelson Mendela? Is he "AFRICAN AMERICAN" or not?

Are you now saying "African American" is not a race like you were saying before?
 
2012-02-18 07:35:22 PM

Shaggy_C: I'd like to see you stand up in front of a group of recent immigrants and tell them that they're not "African Americans".


I'm not sure why I'd feel the need to have to do that. Just like I'm not sure why you feel the need to nitpick about this.

There is no ethnic heritage for a vast majority of blacks in this country. They can trace their heritage back 150 years and that is it. So, the default is to associate by skin tone. Over the years, calling people purely by their skin tone fell out of favor for a variety of reasons (the association with colored, people not actually being BLACK, those damn stupid liberals as you imply, whatever). So, they are left with the only other thing available...at one point they came from Africa. The end.

I'm not sure why you are continuing to push this.
 
2012-02-18 07:36:56 PM
Privileged is invisible to those who possess it. That's why White Conservatives are always so up in arms over the idea that minorities might band together to support each other. They've lived their entire lives benefiting from the privilege of being White in a country where Whites don't even have to give a name to their universal support of each other, and so the moment blacks or women or gays attempt to back each other up, the doughy white guys of the nation start screaming bloody murder.

Funny how Republicans see nothing at all wrong with the fact that every single President prior to Obama has been a white male. Because in their minds, that's just how life should be.
 
2012-02-18 07:36:59 PM

Shaggy_C: I never said anything of the sort, silly Corvus. I'm speaking strictly from the perspective of the United States



Races change depending on if they are in the United States or not? What race are white people from Europe change to?
 
2012-02-18 07:37:22 PM

Corvus: You never said:

Shaggy_C: "African American" is a euphemism for skin tone.

Then someone must be hacking your account?


Sigh. You're being purposefully obtuse again, Corvus. Obviously in the context of this thread we are talking about black people in the United States. Can you ever argue honestly?
 
2012-02-18 07:38:26 PM

Shaggy_C: Can you ever argue honestly?


img1.fark.net
 
2012-02-18 07:39:08 PM
obama is white. he's just a hustler.
 
2012-02-18 07:40:10 PM

bulldg4life: Shaggy_C: I'd like to see you stand up in front of a group of recent immigrants and tell them that they're not "African Americans".

I'm not sure why I'd feel the need to have to do that. Just like I'm not sure why you feel the need to nitpick about this.

There is no ethnic heritage for a vast majority of blacks in this country. They can trace their heritage back 150 years and that is it. So, the default is to associate by skin tone. Over the years, calling people purely by their skin tone fell out of favor for a variety of reasons (the association with colored, people not actually being BLACK, those damn stupid liberals as you imply, whatever). So, they are left with the only other thing available...at one point they came from Africa. The end.

I'm not sure why you are continuing to push this.


He does this crap all the time. He says something stupid and instead of admitting he made a mistake he just doubles down on it.

He is pretending:

Black person going to the US - You are AFRICAN AMERICAN
White Person going to the US - You are not allowed to be "German American", "Irish American" etc You can only be WHITE.

That's total BS.

And this is only after he he first was saying "African American " and Black meant the same thing.
 
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