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2012-02-18 03:02:27 PM


www.romoplasticsurgery.com

 
2012-02-18 03:03:19 PM
The GOP, combining the worst of Nietzsche and the Bible since 1980.
 
2012-02-18 03:05:28 PM

Weaver95: Bob16: This is probably the most important thing a right wing candidate can do. If you start acting like Jesus actually said you should act you are worse than the commies.

I always like the reaction I get from right wing fundies when I point out/remind them that the bible says that the ONLY people Jesus ever actually beat the snot out of was a bunch of corrupt bankers.

then I ask them about joining OWS and observe their reactions....


Simple problem for a con to solve. From my many years in Catholic school i remember that they actual term applied was "money changers". Thats all the opening needed. A con could drive an air craft carrier through a loop hole that big.

"No you idiot. Jesus said nothing about bankers. He was talking about money changers. That means the cashiers at the checkout stand."
 
2012-02-18 03:07:42 PM

Bob16: Luke 18:22

22When Jesus heard this, He said to him, "One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 23But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. 24And Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God! 25"For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
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Ya see this is the problem. How can you be a good Christain right winger and fulfill your conservative duty to blame the poor with shiat like this floating around in the bible. If you come across this it could cause you to think and that is the road to ruin for cons.


Now that right there was taken out of context, and the translation is all wrong. When he said "sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor" he meant you need to keep your money fluid by giving it to your stockbrokers so they can re-invest it for you. And: "For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God", that was an in joke of the time; I mean, what kind of dummy puts their camel (which probably was their slang term for a BMW) through a needle?
 
2012-02-18 03:09:31 PM
Geez, i wonder why RON PAUL didn't disclose his tax returns.
 
2012-02-18 03:10:22 PM
I didn't realize Santorum was so wealthy - when he was giving his "aw shucks my tax returns are on our family computer at home" I actually fell for it. I didn't realize he was raking in a million dollars a year.
 
2012-02-18 03:11:33 PM
Romney and Santorum: I'm off to check the article.
 
2012-02-18 03:11:44 PM

Bob16: Luke 18:22

22When Jesus heard this, He said to him, "One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 23But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. 24And Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God! 25"For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
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Ya see this is the problem. How can you be a good Christain right winger and fulfill your conservative duty to blame the poor with shiat like this floating around in the bible. If you come across this it could cause you to think and that is the road to ruin for cons.


26 Those who heard this asked, "Who then can be saved?"
27 Jesus replied, "What is impossible with man is possible with God."
28 Peter said to him, "We have left all we had to follow you!"
29 "Truly I tell you," Jesus said to them, "no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God
30 will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life."


So, yeah, really, it was about giving up everything to follow Christ. Not just wealth.

As to how they justify their actions, again, Max Weber had some ideas.

Hard work glorifies God. It also accumulates wealth. As long as you are working for the sake of working, no problem, hey, you earned it!
 
2012-02-18 03:13:34 PM

Chameleon: Tithing to the Mormon church does not count as charity.


Yes, the Mormon church has no.charitable programs. Thank you for telling us what counts as charity. Thank you kind sir.
 
2012-02-18 03:14:21 PM
All good and true republitards know that giving money to charity just encourages people to be slackers. The poor should pull themselves up by their bootstraps just like the grandfathers of all good republitards did.
 
2012-02-18 03:15:42 PM

DeltaPunch: Chameleon: Tithing to the Mormon church does not count as charity.

Yup, and if you subtract 10% from Mitt's number, it changes nothing... still more than Gingrich and Santorum, and less than Obama.


Obama only began donating to charity right before his presidential run, he does it for politics and nothing else.
 
2012-02-18 03:16:29 PM

MyRandomName: Chameleon: Tithing to the Mormon church does not count as charity.

Yes, the Mormon church has no.charitable programs. Thank you for telling us what counts as charity. Thank you kind sir.


www.threadbombing.com
 
2012-02-18 03:17:14 PM

MyRandomName: DeltaPunch: Chameleon: Tithing to the Mormon church does not count as charity.

Yup, and if you subtract 10% from Mitt's number, it changes nothing... still more than Gingrich and Santorum, and less than Obama.

Obama only began donating to charity right before his presidential run, he does it for politics and nothing else.


Also, I heard that Muslims have to give money to charity.
 
2012-02-18 03:17:32 PM

St_Francis_P: . And: "For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God", that was an in joke of the time; I mean, what kind of dummy puts their camel (which probably was their slang term for a BMW) through a needle?


The "eye of a needle" has been interpreted as a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed. This story has been put forth since at least the 15th century, and possibly as far back as the 9th century.

Thus, the solution is simple. For your camel to go through the eye of the needle, you need to hire porters to unload it and carry your belongings. Capitalism.
 
2012-02-18 03:18:02 PM

St_Francis_P: Now that right there was taken out of context, and the translation is all wrong. When he said "sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor" he meant you need to keep your money fluid by giving it to your stockbrokers so they can re-invest it for you. And: "For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God", that was an in joke of the time; I mean, what kind of dummy puts their camel (which probably was their slang term for a BMW) through a needle?


Son i am so disappoint. What is wrong with you people. Look at what commie Jebus said

"sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor"

Commie Jebus came within a hair of using the redistribute word. We dodged a bullet but next time we might not be so lucky.

Somebody run down to the country club and tell Supply Side Jebus to get his ass in gear before this shiat gets out of hand.
 
2012-02-18 03:18:08 PM

MyRandomName: Chameleon: Tithing to the Mormon church does not count as charity.

Yes, the Mormon church has no.charitable programs. Thank you for telling us what counts as charity. Thank you kind sir.


There's a difference between no-strings-attached charitable giving and attempts at buying conversion. It's like claiming bribery is charitable giving. You clearly expect something in return. You may not get it. It is a gamble after all, but you're not greasing that palm out of the goodness of your heart.
 
2012-02-18 03:18:40 PM

Weaver95: malaktaus: Death threats, dude? I'm pretty sure these people are not your friends, or anyway they shouldn't be.

A lot of the old high school class found jesus in a very big way....and they go on and on about it every chance they get. which is fine - i'm glad they've found something that works for them.

What I have a problem with is outright lies. I can't help it - when I see someone on a podium lying and I can PROVE that they're lying...I have to point out the lie for everyone to see. same goes for someone giving a speech full of logical fallacies. it's genetic or something...I have to drive a rhetorical truck through the holes in their philosophies. I can't stop myself from poking that beehive. And i've been that way for YEARS. Anyone who's known me understands that's just what I do.

Right now i'm busy poking holes in a lot of Republican rhetoric. no such thing as a 'sacred cow' to me. never has been/never will be....so I point out the flaws in what passes for GOP logic and people who cheered when I did that to the Democrats are now outraged when I turn my talents to taking down the GOP for their bullshiat.


A Chaotic Good life comes with sacrifices I suppose...
 
2012-02-18 03:19:31 PM
i43.tinypic.com

I don't know... the picture just made me think of that
 
2012-02-18 03:19:35 PM

chuckufarlie: All good and true republitards know that giving money to charity just encourages people to be slackers.


That really is what good Protestants believe. God hates beggars, and those that enable them.

Some Catholics now, too, I guess.
 
2012-02-18 03:19:54 PM
But I'm sure he prayed harder than all the candidates combined.
 
2012-02-18 03:20:44 PM

MyRandomName: Chameleon: Tithing to the Mormon church does not count as charity.

Yes, the Mormon church has no.charitable programs. Thank you for telling us what counts as charity. Thank you kind sir.


Tithing is to God, Charity is to Man, you moron.
 
2012-02-18 03:20:56 PM

MyRandomName:
Obama only began donating to charity right before his presidential run, he does it for politics and nothing else.


BS. He devoted his life to it as a community manager. After graduating from Harvard (where he was President of the Harvard Law Review), he was literally one of the most promising attorneys in the world. He could have gone to an elite firm and made a 7 figure salary, and on a trajectory to become a Supreme Court Justice. Instead, he chose to be a community organizer and professor.

But feel free to live in your fantasy world where he is a Muslim Communist Nazi out to destroy America.
 
2012-02-18 03:21:56 PM

kronicfeld: Frankly, I don't really care about candidates' charitable contributions. Anything greater than 0% is a positive in my book,


For the most part I agree. But you may recall, when the tax debate is going on and we're talking about the rich paying more in taxes to support the poor because that is what Jesus would do, the Conservative rebuttal is Jesus is in support of charitable donations, not "forced donations." They pretend as if we got rid of social safety nets, charitable donations would make up for it. Yet here we have the most vocal candidates touting religion as the smallest in donations.

I've never seen Santorum or Gingrich make the argument against forced donations, so I don't fault them and I agree, the amount of charity someone gives is a really stupid reason to vote for president. But it does poke an enormous hole by way of two examples in the we should solve poverty by donations argument.
 
2012-02-18 03:26:44 PM

Dracolich: . It's like claiming bribery is charitable giving. You clearly expect something in return. You may not get it. It is a gamble after all, but you're not greasing that palm out of the goodness of your heart.


Rape For Toys is up in the air, as Gingrich is busy blaming Santorum for it, Santorum is busy blaming Romney for it, and Romney insists it's a saltwater taffy parlor in Geneva.
 
2012-02-18 03:27:41 PM
The two politicians are:

Who, and Cares.

/Petty criticisms are petty
 
2012-02-18 03:31:51 PM

moralpanic: Instead, he chose to be a community organizer and professor.


LOL

A bleeding heart social worker, when he could have been successful?

Not so smart, are you PROFESSOR?

What? Did you just say that he's the President? You're joking. A black guy? That's it, this nation has gone to hell.
 
2012-02-18 03:33:21 PM

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: The two politicians are:

Who, and Cares.

/Petty criticisms are petty


Not when their platform is that it should be charity and not government that provides safety nets. Hell, the article itself tells of Santorum making a speech on the importance of charity.
 
2012-02-18 03:37:00 PM

Sabyen91: Not when their platform is that it should be charity and not government that provides safety nets. Hell, the article itself tells of Santorum making a speech on the importance of charity.


If the government didn't steal so much money from Mr. Santorum he would have more to give to charity, or so the story goes...
 
2012-02-18 03:37:23 PM

MyRandomName: Chameleon: Tithing to the Mormon church does not count as charity.

Yes, the Mormon church has no.charitable programs. Thank you for telling us what counts as charity. Thank you kind sir.


That's not what he said, he said tithing isn't giving to charity. If you had read the rest of his post you'd know that.

He's spot on, too.
 
2012-02-18 03:38:00 PM
Much of their

Sabyen91: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: The two politicians are:

Who, and Cares.

/Petty criticisms are petty

Not when their platform is that it should be charity and not government that provides safety nets. Hell, the article itself tells of Santorum making a speech on the importance of charity.


Much of their platform centers around reining in the cost of the government's safety net, not replacing it with charity. You know, since the so-called safety net is on pace to eat the entire Federal budget in relatively short order.
 
2012-02-18 03:39:35 PM

MyRandomName: DeltaPunch: Chameleon: Tithing to the Mormon church does not count as charity.

Yup, and if you subtract 10% from Mitt's number, it changes nothing... still more than Gingrich and Santorum, and less than Obama.

Obama only began donating to charity right before his presidential run, he does it for politics and nothing else.


so you're saying that Santorum and Gingrich are exactly the same as Obama? well that certainly makes things difficult for you, don't it?
 
2012-02-18 03:40:35 PM

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Much of their platform centers around reining in the cost of the government's safety net, not replacing it with charity. You know, since the so-called safety net is on pace to eat the entire Federal budget in relatively short order.


i'm pretty sure defense spending is racing to the top of our budget expenditures these days.
 
2012-02-18 03:41:25 PM

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Much of their Sabyen91: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: The two politicians are:

Who, and Cares.

/Petty criticisms are petty

Not when their platform is that it should be charity and not government that provides safety nets. Hell, the article itself tells of Santorum making a speech on the importance of charity.

Much of their platform centers around reining in the cost of the government's safety net, not replacing it with charity. You know, since the so-called safety net is on pace to eat the entire Federal budget in relatively short order.


Ooo, can I make stuff up too?
 
2012-02-18 03:41:51 PM
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Are there any poor in the audience tonight?
 
2012-02-18 03:43:55 PM

Weaver95: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Much of their platform centers around reining in the cost of the government's safety net, not replacing it with charity. You know, since the so-called safety net is on pace to eat the entire Federal budget in relatively short order.

i'm pretty sure defense spending is racing to the top of our budget expenditures these days.


Not so much anymore since that's one area of the budget this administration is actually interested in cutting back on.
 
2012-02-18 03:44:44 PM
I always get a kick out of the whole 'omg social spending is too much' meme. compare/contrast the costs and benefits of social safety net spending with our defense budget sometime and see what results you get.

war is EXPENSIVE! universal health care, on the other hand, is a relative bargain.
 
2012-02-18 03:45:08 PM

Sabyen91: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Much of their Sabyen91: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: The two politicians are:

Who, and Cares.

/Petty criticisms are petty

Not when their platform is that it should be charity and not government that provides safety nets. Hell, the article itself tells of Santorum making a speech on the importance of charity.

Much of their platform centers around reining in the cost of the government's safety net, not replacing it with charity. You know, since the so-called safety net is on pace to eat the entire Federal budget in relatively short order.

Ooo, can I make stuff up too?


Certainly. You can tell us all how you have an intelligent counterpoint, backed up with facts, to rebut my point.
 
2012-02-18 03:46:01 PM

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Not so much anymore since that's one area of the budget this administration is actually interested in cutting back on.


oh we'll be paying off that little bit of military adventurism for the next 40 years or so.
 
2012-02-18 03:47:06 PM

Weaver95: Benevolent Misanthrope: You have said what I've been trying to say, but with more eloquence, as usual..

i've been having this discussion via facebook for a couple weeks now - Santorum and Gingrich are 'cafeteria catholics'....the absolutely WORST sort of catholic and one that most followers of the church don't like in their ranks. I guess i've had time to hammer out my thoughts on the matter, and come up with something coherent.

what I find most disturbing though is people who have themselves stated to me in the past that they hate cafeteria catholics who now support Santorum and gingrich and their abuse of their religion to gain votes. my attempts to point out the many flaws of gingrich and santorum earn me almost daily attacks and verbal abuse.


I've never heard the term "Cafeteria Catholic" before. I wonder if it is normally applied to people who use birth control or otherwise advocate for women's' and family rights? Years ago, a Mom friend invited my kids to vacation Bible School at her church. Her family was Catholic. We are not, but I thought it would be educational and entertaining. So, I'm registering my kids and I notice a bulletin board dedicated to the evils of birth control: all forms of birth control. I was in the process of reading it when my friend walked up and loudly declared "Don't read that crap." A nun standing in the hall pursed her lips and blushed. My friend, not at all embarrassed turned to her daughter and said "And don't you go reading that nonsense either."
 
2012-02-18 03:48:21 PM

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Sabyen91: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Much of their Sabyen91: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: The two politicians are:

Who, and Cares.

/Petty criticisms are petty

Not when their platform is that it should be charity and not government that provides safety nets. Hell, the article itself tells of Santorum making a speech on the importance of charity.

Much of their platform centers around reining in the cost of the government's safety net, not replacing it with charity. You know, since the so-called safety net is on pace to eat the entire Federal budget in relatively short order.

Ooo, can I make stuff up too?

Certainly. You can tell us all how you have an intelligent counterpoint, backed up with facts, to rebut my point.


How do you have an intelligent counterpoint to people who fearmonger about the costs of safety nets and how it will break us when it is nothing but a ruse. Also, if it costs us so much that we are being eaten from the inside how would charity replace it?
 
2012-02-18 03:53:29 PM

Chameleon: Tithing to the Mormon church does not count as charity.


Agreed. Tithing to any church should not count as a charitable donation, since churches aren't non-profit charities.
 
2012-02-18 03:58:09 PM

Sabyen91: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Sabyen91: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Much of their Sabyen91: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: The two politicians are:

Who, and Cares.

/Petty criticisms are petty

Not when their platform is that it should be charity and not government that provides safety nets. Hell, the article itself tells of Santorum making a speech on the importance of charity.

Much of their platform centers around reining in the cost of the government's safety net, not replacing it with charity. You know, since the so-called safety net is on pace to eat the entire Federal budget in relatively short order.

Ooo, can I make stuff up too?

Certainly. You can tell us all how you have an intelligent counterpoint, backed up with facts, to rebut my point.

How do you have an intelligent counterpoint to people who fearmonger about the costs of safety nets and how it will break us when it is nothing but a ruse. Also, if it costs us so much that we are being eaten from the inside how would charity replace it?


I'm fairly certain I said that the costs of these programs need to be reined in, not blow up the safety net all together.

.......scrolls up a bit to check..........

Yup, that's about right.
 
2012-02-18 04:08:59 PM

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Weaver95: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Much of their platform centers around reining in the cost of the government's safety net, not replacing it with charity. You know, since the so-called safety net is on pace to eat the entire Federal budget in relatively short order.

i'm pretty sure defense spending is racing to the top of our budget expenditures these days.

Not so much anymore since that's one area of the budget this administration is actually interested in cutting back on.


You realize the U.S. spends more on defense than the rest of the world combined, right?
 
2012-02-18 04:12:34 PM
The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii:
Much of their platform centers around reining in the cost of the government's safety net, not replacing it with charity. You know, since the so-called safety net is on pace to eat the entire Federal budget in relatively short order.

What, prithee tell, do you/they define as a safety net?

TANF and SNAP? CSBG? Dept of Education? Social Security? Medicare?

Two out of the five eat up a fair chunk of the federal budget. Two of the five are "decimal dust" (a particularly evocative civil servantism). Let's see if Gingrich and Santorum are focused on the former rather than the latter.
 
2012-02-18 04:12:52 PM

stoli n coke: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Weaver95: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Much of their platform centers around reining in the cost of the government's safety net, not replacing it with charity. You know, since the so-called safety net is on pace to eat the entire Federal budget in relatively short order.

i'm pretty sure defense spending is racing to the top of our budget expenditures these days.

Not so much anymore since that's one area of the budget this administration is actually interested in cutting back on.

You realize the U.S. spends more on defense than the rest of the world combined, right?


I'm painfully aware of that fact and don't misunderstand, having been in the Army for 13 years I've seen PLENTY of examples of the utter disregard with which the military treats the American tax dollar. I am not opposed to defense cuts, provided they don't fark it all up the way they did in the 90's, but there's a lot more work to be done on cutting wasteful government spending than just slicing up defense and calling it a day.
 
2012-02-18 04:16:11 PM

Shrew2u: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii:
Much of their platform centers around reining in the cost of the government's safety net, not replacing it with charity. You know, since the so-called safety net is on pace to eat the entire Federal budget in relatively short order.

What, prithee tell, do you/they define as a safety net?

TANF and SNAP? CSBG? Dept of Education? Social Security? Medicare?

Two out of the five eat up a fair chunk of the federal budget. Two of the five are "decimal dust" (a particularly evocative civil servantism). Let's see if Gingrich and Santorum are focused on the former rather than the latter.


SS and Medicare are the worst offenders and will get worse still as the much despised around here baby boomers all retire and start collecting their share but all of the above would be the answer to your question.
 
2012-02-18 04:17:07 PM

moralpanic: MyRandomName:
Obama only began donating to charity right before his presidential run, he does it for politics and nothing else.

BS. He devoted his life to it as a community manager. After graduating from Harvard (where he was President of the Harvard Law Review), he was literally one of the most promising attorneys in the world.


you are full of shiat.
He was nominated to that position and did not make it based on how it was historically done, based on the highest grades. That was a recent change in the approach that was unrelated to 0bama.

he didn't graduate Summa, so he was not one of the most promising attorneys. Good? Yes. But didn't even graduate at the top. Great campaigner? Absolutely. The best in a generation.

as to his giving: "Barack Obama and his wife Michelle gave $10,772 of the $1.2 million they earned from 2000 through 2004 to charities, or less than 1 percent, according to tax returns for those years released today by his campaign"

The community work was just part of his campaigning. He is no where near being a generous person.
 
2012-02-18 04:29:54 PM
we have to cut government programs for the poor and leave it up to charity who won't get money from rick.

thats just crap.
 
2012-02-18 04:30:18 PM

tenpoundsofcheese:
The community work was just part of his campaigning. He is no where near being a generous person.


img821.imageshack.us
 
2012-02-18 04:31:44 PM

stoli n coke: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Weaver95: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Much of their platform centers around reining in the cost of the government's safety net, not replacing it with charity. You know, since the so-called safety net is on pace to eat the entire Federal budget in relatively short order.

i'm pretty sure defense spending is racing to the top of our budget expenditures these days.

Not so much anymore since that's one area of the budget this administration is actually interested in cutting back on.

You realize the U.S. spends more on defense than the rest of the world combined, right?


media.economist.com

you are full of crap!
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/03/defence_budgets
 
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