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(CNN)   Guess which two Republican candidates gave the least to charity? Go ahead, guess   (money.cnn.com) divider line 132
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2012-02-18 11:43:23 AM  
The problem with charities is that they only help the poor.
 
2012-02-18 12:02:34 PM  
Frankly, I don't really care about candidates' charitable contributions. Anything greater than 0% is a positive in my book,
 
2012-02-18 12:16:11 PM  
Tithing to the Mormon church does not count as charity.
 
2012-02-18 12:17:59 PM  

Chameleon: Tithing to the Mormon church does not count as charity.


Yeah, that's more like country club membership fees
 
2012-02-18 12:24:12 PM  
I don't care so much about the amount they've given as I do about what sorts of charities they're giving to.
 
2012-02-18 12:34:55 PM  
Romney gave more in "charitable" contributions to anti-gay groups than he paid in taxes.
 
2012-02-18 01:11:29 PM  
Scary picture is scary.
 
2012-02-18 01:30:58 PM  
I'm gonna have to say RON PAUL and...uh.... Hitler?
 
2012-02-18 01:37:26 PM  
i've gone a few rounds with my GOP friends over Gingrich and Santorum's (ab)use of religion in their respective campaigns. My point is that neither of those two follow ALL the Church's rules. Santorumand Gingrich pick and choose which issues and doctrine to follow, and leave behind anything that they don't like. For example - both candidates are great with the church's views on abortion and birth control...but you'll NEVER see either one of those two sign on board with the Catholic church's views on supporting labor union movements, increasing government assistance to the poor or universal health care for all. not to mention repealing the death penalty!

the rules of the church are simple - either you follow ALL the church rules (even the ones you don't like) or you aren't in the silly hat club anymore. Gingrich and Santorum don't get to pick which rules they follow. the church isn't a democracy. it isn't open for discussion. the laity don't get to dictate to the church about morality. you want to follow the church doctrine, you get in line and follow their orders or you are out. that's how it works. And the fact of the matter is that church doctrine isn't always in line with the 'f*ck you I got mine' politics of gingrich, santorum and most of the Republican party.

pointing this fact of life out has earned me death threats and nearly non-stop arguments from people who should know better, and whom I consider good friends. it's very disconcerting.
 
2012-02-18 01:40:28 PM  
i2.cdn.turner.com

I didn't realize it was possible to make white bread dough look evil, but there it is.
 
2012-02-18 01:47:06 PM  

Weaver95: i've gone a few rounds with my GOP friends over Gingrich and Santorum's (ab)use of religion in their respective campaigns. My point is that neither of those two follow ALL the Church's rules. Santorumand Gingrich pick and choose which issues and doctrine to follow, and leave behind anything that they don't like. For example - both candidates are great with the church's views on abortion and birth control...but you'll NEVER see either one of those two sign on board with the Catholic church's views on supporting labor union movements, increasing government assistance to the poor or universal health care for all. not to mention repealing the death penalty!

the rules of the church are simple - either you follow ALL the church rules (even the ones you don't like) or you aren't in the silly hat club anymore. Gingrich and Santorum don't get to pick which rules they follow. the church isn't a democracy. it isn't open for discussion. the laity don't get to dictate to the church about morality. you want to follow the church doctrine, you get in line and follow their orders or you are out. that's how it works. And the fact of the matter is that church doctrine isn't always in line with the 'f*ck you I got mine' politics of gingrich, santorum and most of the Republican party.

pointing this fact of life out has earned me death threats and nearly non-stop arguments from people who should know better, and whom I consider good friends. it's very disconcerting.


You have said what I've been trying to say, but with more eloquence, as usual.

I won't get into teaching vs. practices supported by the Church over the years... I would only add that the defense for the behavior you describe is usually "Church is the people". Which is an interesting effect of the Protestant Reformation on the thinking of the Catholic laity. Which is why Catholics often use birth control, for example, against the clear teaching of the Church.

Hypocritical Catholics? Hypocritical politicians? Hypocritical Catholic politicians??? Wow. Who'da' thunk it?
 
2012-02-18 01:49:10 PM  
Santorum has also come under fire for the giving practices of a charity called Operation Good Neighbor that he started more than a decade ago.

The guy can't even start a charity without making it sound like a war.
 
2012-02-18 01:57:49 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: You have said what I've been trying to say, but with more eloquence, as usual..


i've been having this discussion via facebook for a couple weeks now - Santorum and Gingrich are 'cafeteria catholics'....the absolutely WORST sort of catholic and one that most followers of the church don't like in their ranks. I guess i've had time to hammer out my thoughts on the matter, and come up with something coherent.

what I find most disturbing though is people who have themselves stated to me in the past that they hate cafeteria catholics who now support Santorum and gingrich and their abuse of their religion to gain votes. my attempts to point out the many flaws of gingrich and santorum earn me almost daily attacks and verbal abuse.
 
2012-02-18 02:10:23 PM  
Give Santorum a break. I mean it's not like he's rich or something. Poor guy has been unemployed for years. That $3.6 million was probably just from his unemployment benefits.
 
2012-02-18 02:19:39 PM  
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With a picture like that, you're almost waiting for him to scream "BOOGA, BOOGA, BOOGA, I HAVE COME FOR YOUR SOULS" or something of the sort.
 
2012-02-18 02:23:30 PM  
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Providence has ordained that I should be the greatest liberator of humanity. I am freeing man from the restraints of an intelligence that has taken charge, from the dirty and degrading self-mortification of a false vision called conscience and morality, and from the demands of a freedom and independence which only a very few can bear.
 
2012-02-18 02:25:03 PM  
i2.cdn.turner.com

IN THE YEAR TWO THOUSAND!
 
2012-02-18 02:25:24 PM  
Well,he donated more than my sum total of zero. Does that make hima better person than me?
 
2012-02-18 02:25:34 PM  
You can bet that 1.4% when to some Beat The Queer terrorist group anyway.
 
2012-02-18 02:25:34 PM  

Weaver95: pointing this fact of life out has earned me death threats and nearly non-stop arguments from people who should know better, and whom I consider good friends. it's very disconcerting.


There's a subtle message in there, Weaver...
 
2012-02-18 02:26:09 PM  

Calmamity:
i2.cdn.turner.com

I didn't realize it was possible to make white bread dough look evil, but there it is.


What's really weird is that he looks like some sort of alien dog, but he still doesn't come off as loyal or trustworthy.
 
2012-02-18 02:26:12 PM  

Weaver95: i've gone a few rounds with my GOP friends over Gingrich and Santorum's (ab)use of religion in their respective campaigns. My point is that neither of those two follow ALL the Church's rules. Santorumand Gingrich pick and choose which issues and doctrine to follow, and leave behind anything that they don't like. For example - both candidates are great with the church's views on abortion and birth control...but you'll NEVER see either one of those two sign on board with the Catholic church's views on supporting labor union movements, increasing government assistance to the poor or universal health care for all. not to mention repealing the death penalty!

the rules of the church are simple - either you follow ALL the church rules (even the ones you don't like) or you aren't in the silly hat club anymore. Gingrich and Santorum don't get to pick which rules they follow. the church isn't a democracy. it isn't open for discussion. the laity don't get to dictate to the church about morality. you want to follow the church doctrine, you get in line and follow their orders or you are out. that's how it works. And the fact of the matter is that church doctrine isn't always in line with the 'f*ck you I got mine' politics of gingrich, santorum and most of the Republican party.

pointing this fact of life out has earned me death threats and nearly non-stop arguments from people who should know better, and whom I consider good friends. it's very disconcerting.


Christians need to decide if they're going to save us from ourselves or not. They try to have it both ways. You have an obligation to provide healing for the sick, for example. They don't want to enforce that with universal health care, however.
 
2012-02-18 02:27:59 PM  
Hypocritical self-serving pseudo-Christian conservatives seeking the Republican nomination?

In my election?
 
2012-02-18 02:28:46 PM  

Weaver95: i've gone a few rounds with my GOP friends over Gingrich and Santorum's (ab)use of religion in their respective campaigns. My point is that neither of those two follow ALL the Church's rules. Santorumand Gingrich pick and choose which issues and doctrine to follow, and leave behind anything that they don't like. For example - both candidates are great with the church's views on abortion and birth control...but you'll NEVER see either one of those two sign on board with the Catholic church's views on supporting labor union movements, increasing government assistance to the poor or universal health care for all. not to mention repealing the death penalty!

the rules of the church are simple - either you follow ALL the church rules (even the ones you don't like) or you aren't in the silly hat club anymore. Gingrich and Santorum don't get to pick which rules they follow. the church isn't a democracy. it isn't open for discussion. the laity don't get to dictate to the church about morality. you want to follow the church doctrine, you get in line and follow their orders or you are out. that's how it works. And the fact of the matter is that church doctrine isn't always in line with the 'f*ck you I got mine' politics of gingrich, santorum and most of the Republican party.

pointing this fact of life out has earned me death threats and nearly non-stop arguments from people who should know better, and whom I consider good friends. it's very disconcerting.


Death threats, dude? I'm pretty sure these people are not your friends, or anyway they shouldn't be.
 
2012-02-18 02:29:13 PM  

Weaver95: And the fact of the matter is that church doctrine isn't always in line with the 'f*ck you I got mine' politics of gingrich, santorum and most of the Republican party.


Yeah, but let's face it. These assholes at the top genuinely care no more for election than I do the texture, taste and consistency of Sarah Silverman's last bowel movement. Actually, I think I might care about that more than those assholes do religion.

All it is to them is a convenient justification for being complete, morally deplorable, corrupt assholes, a choke chain to keep the mouth-breathing yokels who do care about religion and overpopulate this country quiet and obeisant, and to drag aforementioned yokels to the polls on election day.
 
2012-02-18 02:29:48 PM  
Let me guess... The two Christians? (checks article) Huh, who knew? Oh yeah, everyone who pays attention.

1.76% and 2.2%. Are you shiatting me? I knew these guys were selfish money-worshipping whores, but damn. I make
 
2012-02-18 02:30:05 PM  
Compared to Obama, both Bush and Cheney were patron saints of charity.

On average, conservatives give more to charity than liberals, but of the liberals that give to charity the % of annual income tends to be slightly higher for liberals than conservatives.

So what? If you're going to vote based on people willing to practice what they preach then roughly 60% of Republicans and 90% of Democrats are going to be out of office, including Obama... But not Biden.
 
2012-02-18 02:31:15 PM  

randomjsa: So what? If you're going to vote based on people willing to practice what they preach then roughly 60% of Republicans and 90% of Democrats are going to be out of office, including Obama... But not Biden.


it doesn't matter anyway! socialisms! War! Peace!

so vote Republican?
 
2012-02-18 02:31:20 PM  

St_Francis_P: The problem with charities is that they only help the poor.


Reminded me of:

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2012-02-18 02:31:48 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Let me guess... The two Christians? (checks article) Huh, who knew? Oh yeah, everyone who pays attention.

1.76% and 2.2%. Are you shiatting me? I knew these guys were selfish money-worshipping whores, but damn. I make

less than $100k and I give several times that. I don't even want to know how much of that was a "donation" to the church, which should not be considered a donation at all.

/no idea how that chopped half my comment the first time
 
2012-02-18 02:32:27 PM  
Eh. I only give about 1%, so they've got me beat.
 
2012-02-18 02:32:37 PM  

Chameleon: Tithing to the Mormon church does not count as charity.


Yup, and if you subtract 10% from Mitt's number, it changes nothing... still more than Gingrich and Santorum, and less than Obama.
 
2012-02-18 02:35:46 PM  

Vai1018: Hypocritical self-serving pseudo-Christian conservatives seeking the Republican nomination?

In my election?


it's more likely than you think
 
2012-02-18 02:37:25 PM  
Hell, I'm making a little over 25K a year, and I give more than 2% to 501(c)(3)s.

-University Endowment (I was given a GOOD partial scholarship, and it's fair to pay it back)
-Doctors Without Borders
-Fraternity Educational Foundation

Selfish bastards, the lot of them.
 
2012-02-18 02:38:33 PM  

malaktaus: Death threats, dude? I'm pretty sure these people are not your friends, or anyway they shouldn't be.


A lot of the old high school class found jesus in a very big way....and they go on and on about it every chance they get. which is fine - i'm glad they've found something that works for them.

What I have a problem with is outright lies. I can't help it - when I see someone on a podium lying and I can PROVE that they're lying...I have to point out the lie for everyone to see. same goes for someone giving a speech full of logical fallacies. it's genetic or something...I have to drive a rhetorical truck through the holes in their philosophies. I can't stop myself from poking that beehive. And i've been that way for YEARS. Anyone who's known me understands that's just what I do.

Right now i'm busy poking holes in a lot of Republican rhetoric. no such thing as a 'sacred cow' to me. never has been/never will be....so I point out the flaws in what passes for GOP logic and people who cheered when I did that to the Democrats are now outraged when I turn my talents to taking down the GOP for their bullshiat.
 
2012-02-18 02:40:24 PM  
All of them?

/ DNRTFA.
 
2012-02-18 02:40:52 PM  
I'm giggling over how many of Fark's resident mouthbreathers clicked on the article with high hopes, saw that Obama gave the most to charity, mumbled "dammit" to themselves, then wandered upstairs in search of some Cheetos. I'm sure they'll come back to the thread with something like "who cares about charity anyway? any amount greater than zero is the same, nothing to see here folks."
 
2012-02-18 02:44:51 PM  
To be fair, Santorum also has seven kids living at home.
 
2012-02-18 02:47:15 PM  
Right wing Christians keep a sharp look out for a candidate with the proper hypocrisy. You simply have to ignore all those parts of the bible that deal with taking care of the poor.

This is probably the most important thing a right wing candidate can do. If you start acting like Jesus actually said you should act you are worse than the commies.
 
2012-02-18 02:47:19 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: To be fair, Santorum also has seven kids living at home.


A million a year is barely enough to keep the clown car maintained.
 
2012-02-18 02:48:29 PM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Ca pitalism#Origins_of_the_Protestant_work_ethic

The new religions (in particular, Calvinism and other more austere Protestant sects) effectively forbade wastefully using hard earned money and identified the purchase of luxuries as a sin. Donations to an individual's church or congregation was limited due to the rejection by certain Protestant sects of icons. Finally, donation of money to the poor or to charity was generally frowned on as it was seen as furthering beggary. This social condition was perceived as laziness, burdening their fellow man, and an affront to God; by not working, one failed to glorify God.

Finally, donation of money to the poor or to charity was generally frowned on as it was seen as furthering beggary. This social condition was perceived as laziness, burdening their fellow man, and an affront to God; by not working, one failed to glorify God.

laziness
 
2012-02-18 02:49:09 PM  
 
2012-02-18 02:49:19 PM  
The more Christian they try and make themselves appear, the less Christian they in fact, are. Kind of like, if you have to brag about all the farking you're doing, the only action you're getting is your right hand.
 
2012-02-18 02:53:52 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: To be fair, Santorum also has seven kids living at home.


And that's not even counting the jar babies he keeps in the basement.
 
2012-02-18 02:54:17 PM  

propasaurus: Give Santorum a break. I mean it's not like he's rich or something. Poor guy has been unemployed for years. That $3.6 million was probably just from his unemployment benefits.


Actually, I wondered WTF he did do for that:

In January 2007 Santorum joined the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a D.C.-based conservative think tank as director of its America's Enemies Program focusing on foreign threats to the United States including Islamic fascism, Venezuela, North Korea and Russia.[98] In February 2007 he signed a deal to become a contributor on the Fox News Channel, offering commentary on politics and public policy.[110] In March 2007 he joined Eckert, Seamans, Cherin & Mellott, LLC, where he primarily practiced law in the firm's Pittsburgh and Washington, D.C. offices, providing business and strategic counseling services to the firm's clients. In 2007, he joined the Board of Directors of Universal Health Services, a hospital management company based in King of Prussia, Pennsylvania.[111] He also began writing an Op/Ed column, "The Elephant in the Room", for the The Philadelphia Inquirer.[112]

Santorum earned $1.3 million in 2010 and the first half of 2011. The largest portion of his employment earnings - $332,000 - came from his work as a consultant for industry interest groups, including Consol Energy and American Continental Group. Santorum also earned $395,414 in corporate director's fees and stock options from Universal Health Services, and $217,385 in income from the Ethics and Public Policy Center think tank.[81][113][114] In 2010 he was paid $23,000 by The Philadelphia Inquirer for his work as a freelance columnist.[81]


Between the lines, that looks like $3.6 million for influence peddling and being Rick Santorum.
 
2012-02-18 02:55:31 PM  

Bob16: This is probably the most important thing a right wing candidate can do. If you start acting like Jesus actually said you should act you are worse than the commies.


I always like the reaction I get from right wing fundies when I point out/remind them that the bible says that the ONLY people Jesus ever actually beat the snot out of was a bunch of corrupt bankers.

then I ask them about joining OWS and observe their reactions....
 
2012-02-18 02:57:30 PM  
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Truly Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark?
 
2012-02-18 02:59:17 PM  

thamike: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 475x307]

Truly Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark?


I gotta give you a hand for that one.

t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-02-18 02:59:41 PM  
Luke 18:22

22When Jesus heard this, He said to him, "One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 23But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. 24And Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God! 25"For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
_____________________________________

Ya see this is the problem. How can you be a good Christain right winger and fulfill your conservative duty to blame the poor with shiat like this floating around in the bible. If you come across this it could cause you to think and that is the road to ruin for cons.
 
2012-02-18 03:01:55 PM  
Also, In January 2007 Santorum joined the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a D.C.-based conservative think tank as director of its America's Enemies Program focusing on foreign threats to the United States including Islamic fascism, Venezuela, North Korea and Russia.

One, I seriously doubt the guy knows jack about any of those subjects except that they're good for riling up the base. Has he ever spent any time abroad other than vacations and junkets? Serious question, does anybody know?

And two, Venezuela? Really? Venezuela is a foreign threat to the US?
 
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