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2012-02-18 08:48:08 PM
sendtodave: rebelyell2006: My parents told me to not misbehave, or else they'd stop paying for my private school education and send me to the local public schools. Didn't have to be Gandhi, but I was still expected to behave.

Well, I was referring more to the "you are not supposed to fight back, ever" thing.


Yeah that got me in trouble in public school. When i did not fight back I was punished as they assumed I was lying.

From then on when I hit back I did so hard enough they never farked with me again.
 
2012-02-18 08:49:13 PM
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I'M TIRED OF ALL THE EMAIL NOTIFICATION SAYING YOU MOTHER F*CKERS ARE MENTIONING ME IN HERE SO I CAME TO SPEAK MY MIND.

As someone that was homeschooled, along with my brother and sister, I find it hilarious that all of you people are making these judgments because you've met some socially awkward homeschoolers and are all of the sudden experts. Here's what you don't realize.....you've also met a lot of normal homeschooled kids. You just don't know it, because those of us that are normal usually don't tell people we were homeschooled, because the second you tell someone you were homeschooled they're all ZOMG ARE YOUR PARENTS CRAZY OMG I BET THAT WAS SO WEIRD and treat you differently. And make obnoxious jokes.

Homeschooling, if done correctly, involves socialization. I had a co-op group with other families that homeschooled their kids. I did my homework every day like normal kids.... but also (on a weekly basis) went horseback riding, took pottery classes, played organized sports every season, took swimming lessons and gymnastics, went skiing in the winters every week, went on educational field trips........ we even put on plays sometimes. It was fun. I had a very good experience homeschooling my kids. And, contrary to what most people think, homeschooling involves the parents very little. I taught myself almost everything. Every text book teaches you how to do stuff very well. All you had to do is read it. When I'd get stuck, my mom would help me. You don't need a teaching degree to homeschool your kids.

You might think homeschooling is bad, but that's because a lot of the people that homeschool their kids are doing it for the wrong reasons. They're doing it because they're afraid of their kids being exposed to the "real world" so they shelter them. THAT is what creates a f*cked up kid. Normal parents who want their kids to have a good education and do what's best for them while they're homeschooled by getting them involved in sports and activities and make sure they see their friends regularly.... those kids turn out just fine. You just don't know it, because we won't talk about it much. I personally was homeschooled because my parents were poor, and the public schools I would've gone to were some of the worst in the country, and my parents didn't want that for me. THANK. GOD. I am so glad that they kept me at home.

With that said, here's a video of my homeschooled brother (suspenders), and my homeschooler sister (bride), doing the dougie.

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Oh yeah, and this is a picture of us on one of our awesome zoo trips. I'm pretty sure this is the time when I tried to feed goats at the petting zoo and I thought the pebble size turds on the ground were food and fed them to the goats and then cried when my mom told me it was poop because I was embarrassed. And yeah, my brother's chain is awesome, don't be jealous.
 
2012-02-18 08:51:31 PM
Hahahaha, homeschooled.
I wondered if you had turned off notifications, or were away from the intertubes without any idea what was flooding your inbox.

//Hehe, inbox.
 
2012-02-18 08:51:53 PM
scottydoesntknow: RexTalionis: Lsherm: "the collective".

I just want to note, for your future reference, that periods and commas should be placed within the quotation marks.

Isn't that just a preference? Personally I only do it when it's a full sentence, bugs me otherwise.

/end slight threadjack


Quotation marks should be treated as balanced delimiters. In order to properly put sentence-ending punctuation inside the quotes, the beginning of the sentence must also be inside the quotes.

/threadjacks are fun
 
2012-02-18 08:57:46 PM
homeschooled: You might think homeschooling is bad, but that's because a lot of the people that homeschool their kids are doing it for the wrong reasons. They're doing it because they're afraid of their kids being exposed to the "real world" so they shelter them. THAT is what creates a f*cked up kid. Normal parents who want their kids to have a good education and do what's best for them while they're homeschooled by getting them involved in sports and activities and make sure they see their friends regularly.... those kids turn out just fine. You just don't know it, because we won't talk about it much. I personally was homeschooled because my parents were poor, and the public schools I would've gone to were some of the worst in the country, and my parents didn't want that for me. THANK. GOD. I am so glad that they kept me at home.

Up until the start of public schools in the USA and elsewhere, there were few choices outside of church schools, and it was very common for rich, gentry boys to receive their education from tutors hired by the parents (and girls learned sewing from their mothers, etc). The problem was the fact that poor children (and girls) had no choice beyond learning their father's trade or farming. Public schools equalize the situation by allowing the poor and female the opportunity for an education. While homeschooling is fine for those whose educational needs are based on a pedagogy other than the didactic and behavioral, most people are fine with public and private schooling.
 
2012-02-18 08:58:22 PM
BonesJackson: ArcadianRefugee: scottydoesntknow: RexTalionis: Lsherm: "the collective".

I just want to note, for your future reference, that periods and commas should be placed within the quotation marks.

Isn't that just a preference? Personally I only do it when it's a full sentence, bugs me otherwise.

Yes. Some folks only place the period within the quotes if the period was part of a quoted phrase.

Examples:

John is an "expert video-gamer". (not a quote)

Abe: I'd love to go to the dance.
Dave: Abe said he'd "love to go". (quoting, but not something that itself used a period)
Steve: Abe said he'd "love to go to the dance." (quoting something that used a period)

Alright! A punctuation threadjack. That's something I can get behind. :)

Can't speak for all styles, but I know in AP Style and Chicago Style, periods and commas always go inside quotation marks:

John is an "expert video gamer."

All other end punctuation marks go outside the quotation marks unless they belong to the quotation:

The sign said "stop!" (indicates the sign actually contained an exclamation point)
The sign said "stop"! (indicates that a person is shouting at you after you ran a stop sign)


Properly, it should be:

He said, "The sign said 'stop'!".

to indicate written dialog of a person shouting at you.

/also a fan of nested parentheses
 
2012-02-18 08:59:05 PM
rebelyell2006: PsiChick: Submitted First With a Better Headline: Nels: Exactly my point. Keeping idiots like you (who think the electrical impulses in your brain that are the substance of your thoughts are possible of possible of penetrating a case of bone and "reading" another person psychically) from being exposed to the majority of society during their critical developmental phases is critical to slowing our decent into cultural hell. I mean--we're going to well, but we don't have to ride down a zip-line there in a hand basket.

Oh my. I haven't been paying close attention to this thread, but I seriously hope this is a troll/joke. Or do we take people Fark names literally? Because if I had known that, I would have picked something different.

No, I'm actually psychic, it's why I use this name for a Fark handle. It's pretty much just that if the two of us are in a room together, your brain will take a bunch of very tiny signals and filter them out, while mine will take the same signals and give me weird-ass daydream-like states instead. Not really as revolutionary as people think it is, it's just that no one's apparently gotten around to doing a study on it as a medical condition instead of being incredibly retarded about it.

Of course, this is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is why I'm annoyed. I really dislike people threadjacking based on me, and while it would have been amusing if Psychic 101 were part of my curriculum, I do in fact have far more to offer on this topic than answering some random jackass who sounds like he has an ego problem.

What is also irrelevant to the topic at hand is the fact that in previous threads you defend alternative 'medicines' like homeopathy, which is why I cannot respect you (and have you favorited in orange like DavidVincent, who is marked as 'White Supremacist').


Yes. You're right. That is irrelevant.

/Stop threadjacking.
//Also, if you're seriously going to argue that plants cannot have the same chemical compounds as modern medicine, I'd like to ask just where you think modern medicine comes from.
///Or, for that matter, if you know what the placebo effect is and why it works.
 
2012-02-18 09:00:36 PM
PsiChick: rebelyell2006: PsiChick: Submitted First With a Better Headline: Nels: Exactly my point. Keeping idiots like you (who think the electrical impulses in your brain that are the substance of your thoughts are possible of possible of penetrating a case of bone and "reading" another person psychically) from being exposed to the majority of society during their critical developmental phases is critical to slowing our decent into cultural hell. I mean--we're going to well, but we don't have to ride down a zip-line there in a hand basket.

Oh my. I haven't been paying close attention to this thread, but I seriously hope this is a troll/joke. Or do we take people Fark names literally? Because if I had known that, I would have picked something different.

No, I'm actually psychic, it's why I use this name for a Fark handle. It's pretty much just that if the two of us are in a room together, your brain will take a bunch of very tiny signals and filter them out, while mine will take the same signals and give me weird-ass daydream-like states instead. Not really as revolutionary as people think it is, it's just that no one's apparently gotten around to doing a study on it as a medical condition instead of being incredibly retarded about it.

Of course, this is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is why I'm annoyed. I really dislike people threadjacking based on me, and while it would have been amusing if Psychic 101 were part of my curriculum, I do in fact have far more to offer on this topic than answering some random jackass who sounds like he has an ego problem.

What is also irrelevant to the topic at hand is the fact that in previous threads you defend alternative 'medicines' like homeopathy, which is why I cannot respect you (and have you favorited in orange like DavidVincent, who is marked as 'White Supremacist').

Yes. You're right. That is irrelevant.

/Stop threadjacking.
//Also, if you're seriously going to argue that plants cannot have the same chemical ...


Watering down mercury (or anything else) to the point of non-existence does not give it antihistamine abilities. Nothing diluted to homeopathic levels will work.
 
2012-02-18 09:01:41 PM
rebelyell2006: Watering down mercury (or anything else) to the point of non-existence does not give it antihistamine abilities. Nothing diluted to homeopathic levels will work.

Right. Full strength mercury it is, then.
 
2012-02-18 09:03:06 PM
PsiChick: //Also, if you're seriously going to argue that plants cannot have the same chemical compounds as modern medicine, I'd like to ask just where you think modern medicine comes from.

Homeopathy is not about plants and chemical compounds, definitionally it is water that likely doesn't even have a molecule of the alleged substance in it.
 
2012-02-18 09:03:51 PM
sendtodave: rebelyell2006: Watering down mercury (or anything else) to the point of non-existence does not give it antihistamine abilities. Nothing diluted to homeopathic levels will work.

Right. Full strength mercury it is, then.


Mercury is poisonous, but the homeopaths think that it has miraculous powers when diluted to the point of non-existence. Homeopathy is nothing more than bollocks.
 
2012-02-18 09:08:21 PM
rebelyell2006: sendtodave: rebelyell2006: Watering down mercury (or anything else) to the point of non-existence does not give it antihistamine abilities. Nothing diluted to homeopathic levels will work.

Right. Full strength mercury it is, then.

Mercury is poisonous, but the homeopaths think that it has miraculous powers when diluted to the point of non-existence. Homeopathy is nothing more than bollocks.


The common usage of the word 'homeopathy', as I know it, is the usage of herbs as medicines, aromatherapy, audiotherapy, and other such treatments. So if you're being literal, yes, I quite agree, aside from the placebo effect, which may on occasion be useful to a practicing doctor.
 
2012-02-18 09:10:23 PM
ginandbacon: "Low-income kids earn higher test scores when they attend school alongside middle-class kids, while the test scores of privileged children are impervious to the influence of less-privileged peers."

While perhaps the numbers may support this (though its the first time I've heard this statement), this is a dangerous dangerous concept.

It implies teachers have little or no value in the equation and that improved test score are best obtained osmotically through mixing of the classes.

I'm so tired of family income as the only indicator academic success. It's not rich parents it's parents who give a damn. Poor parents often dont have to give a damn or didn't have parents themelves who gave a damn. But parents, rich or poor, who give a damn about school, produce kids who give a damn about school.
 
2012-02-18 09:10:56 PM
Sure, homeschooling is fine... if you want to raise these kinds of kids.

venturebrosblog.com
 
2012-02-18 09:13:49 PM
armageddonbound: I've met more than 50 homeschooled kids. Not one of them was able to function in society at a high level. NOT ONE. Anecdote? Yes, but a powerful one.

I'vw met thousands of people and I consider very few of them competent to function in society. You just happen to notice one flavor of dysfunction while turning a blind eye to the lost potential in everyone you consider normal.

Fun fact, the most powerful influences on a child's intelligence (if you accept the notion of unitary intelligence, which I personally find to be an artificial convention used out of laziness) are nutrition, nurturing and an enriched environment. Schools can only provide nutrition. Enriched environments are provided in early elementary school but a typical classroom environment is far from "enriched" simply because of the discipline required for one teacher to control 40+ students. And nurturing (which includes comforting affiliative behavior) is generally prohibited by policy.

I only have met two adults I know were homeschooled. One described her father as a cultist who believed Bush II to be the antichrist and Cheney the Beast and strongly supported them as they had to rule on earth to trigger the Second Coming. This lady was so fascinated by geology and deep time she was working on a graduate degree in the subject.

The other owns a couple of convenience stores and is one of the most sociable people I know. His parents also did the whole quasi-Christian cult thing.

I've met lots of kids who were being homeschooled. But the indoctrination falls away pretty quick once they are in the general population. If it doesn't they'd probably be the type to self radicalize later on in life anyway.

One of the most socially awkward people I've met was an engineer. As a student at Rose Hulman he cleaned septic tanks to avoid human interaction. He was a product of public education, not homeschooled.
 
2012-02-18 09:17:59 PM
PsiChick: rebelyell2006: sendtodave: rebelyell2006: Watering down mercury (or anything else) to the point of non-existence does not give it antihistamine abilities. Nothing diluted to homeopathic levels will work.

Right. Full strength mercury it is, then.

Mercury is poisonous, but the homeopaths think that it has miraculous powers when diluted to the point of non-existence. Homeopathy is nothing more than bollocks.

The common usage of the word 'homeopathy', as I know it, is the usage of herbs as medicines, aromatherapy, audiotherapy, and other such treatments. So if you're being literal, yes, I quite agree, aside from the placebo effect, which may on occasion be useful to a practicing doctor.


Despite believing in psychic powers, you seem to at least have some sensibility in recognizing the stupidity of homeopathy. Common usage and the actual meaning of 'homeopathy' are two different thinks. Most 'alternative medicines' lean closer to bollocks (although many herbs and plants have been taken from the herbal remedy field, refined, enhanced and chemically analyzed and turned into useful drugs like quinine). The problem with talking about 'homeopathy' is that the homeopaths have been pushing very hard to erase the line between questionable 'alternative medicines' and true homeopathy. True homeopathy is based on the idea that a solution of harmful herbs and substances, diluted to the point of non-existence, can be turned into powerful medicine by the way water (or sugar) molecules interact with those herbs or substances. Hence poisonous substances like Mountain Tobacco and Mercury can, by the molecular memory of water, be turned into useful medicine which induces similar symptoms to what a person experiences thus tricking the body into reacting and healing itself. Which is completely idiotic and goes against science and common sense.
 
2012-02-18 09:18:17 PM
You know what's really farking hysterical? Most of us are going to live to the see the day when all schools close for good......

"Imagine you can insert a memory card in your brain and go all Keanu Wow, I know Jiu-Jitsu! Reeves. It's actually not that far away: Scientists have created a chip that allows rats to instantly know things. It's amazing. "

Scientists Create First Memory Expansion for Brain
http://gizmodo.com/5813821/scientists-create-first-memory-expansion-f o r-brain

Between tech like this and nano-assembly, all economic theory up until that point in human history will have to be completely tossed. I can't wait.
 
2012-02-18 09:19:26 PM
PsiChick: rebelyell2006: sendtodave: rebelyell2006: Watering down mercury (or anything else) to the point of non-existence does not give it antihistamine abilities. Nothing diluted to homeopathic levels will work.

Right. Full strength mercury it is, then.

Mercury is poisonous, but the homeopaths think that it has miraculous powers when diluted to the point of non-existence. Homeopathy is nothing more than bollocks.

The common usage of the word 'homeopathy', as I know it, is the usage of herbs as medicines, aromatherapy, audiotherapy, and other such treatments. So if you're being literal, yes, I quite agree, aside from the placebo effect, which may on occasion be useful to a practicing doctor.


This creature REALLY BELIEVES this. You can't convince idiots with fact and reason. I mean, the whole reason we have the medical industry is because we can't exploit the amazon's plant resources. If we could, we'd just grow and eat the cheap plants for their minute amounts of a chemical that we synthesize and improve on to treat human conditions. It's like, from the earth, man, and like the earth made it for us. It's not like evolution put it there for us because a sky wizard made every medicine we need in the plants. We don't need to study and learn from minor effects to learn what helps cure human disease and then use our biologically uncanny intelligence to develop better drugs through chemistry that actually work when we can eat plants that work like shiat.

You prove your stupidity with every word, and for that, I commend you. It takes a special kind of cognitive dissonance to achieve that. Are you, by chance, a birther-Phelps-worshiper that believes that contraceptives are the devil's work? I'm not familiar with your brand of magical reasoning.
 
2012-02-18 09:19:42 PM
www2.ess.ucla.edu
 
2012-02-18 09:21:46 PM
Nels: Are you, by chance, a birther-Phelps-worshiper that believes that contraceptives are the devil's work? I'm not familiar with your brand of magical reasoning.

Even sillier, a Pagan..
 
2012-02-18 09:22:41 PM
BolloxReader: I'vw met thousands of people and I consider very few of them competent to function in society.

Maybe the problem lies with you rather than most of those thousands of people.
 
2012-02-18 09:23:46 PM
lilplatinum: Nels: Are you, by chance, a birther-Phelps-worshiper that believes that contraceptives are the devil's work? I'm not familiar with your brand of magical reasoning.

Even sillier, a Pagan..


All religions are silly superstitions. Believing in the existence of invisible friends is irrational, and allowing those superstitious beliefs to interfere with education or health care is dangerous.
 
2012-02-18 09:25:55 PM
Nels: PsiChick: rebelyell2006: sendtodave: rebelyell2006: Watering down mercury (or anything else) to the point of non-existence does not give it antihistamine abilities. Nothing diluted to homeopathic levels will work.

Right. Full strength mercury it is, then.

Mercury is poisonous, but the homeopaths think that it has miraculous powers when diluted to the point of non-existence. Homeopathy is nothing more than bollocks.

The common usage of the word 'homeopathy', as I know it, is the usage of herbs as medicines, aromatherapy, audiotherapy, and other such treatments. So if you're being literal, yes, I quite agree, aside from the placebo effect, which may on occasion be useful to a practicing doctor.

This creature REALLY BELIEVES this. You can't convince idiots with fact and reason. I mean, the whole reason we have the medical industry is because we can't exploit the amazon's plant resources. If we could, we'd just grow and eat the cheap plants for their minute amounts of a chemical that we synthesize and improve on to treat human conditions. It's like, from the earth, man, and like the earth made it for us. It's not like evolution put it there for us because a sky wizard made every medicine we need in the plants. We don't need to study and learn from minor effects to learn what helps cure human disease and then use our biologically uncanny intelligence to develop better drugs through chemistry that actually work when we can eat plants that work like shiat.

You prove your stupidity with every word, and for that, I commend you. It takes a special kind of cognitive dissonance to achieve that. Are you, by chance, a birther-Phelps-worshiper that believes that contraceptives are the devil's work? I'm not familiar with your brand of magical reasoning.


Do you have to practice to achieve that level of douchebaggery, or does it come naturally?
 
2012-02-18 09:26:07 PM
Jarhead_h: You know what's really farking hysterical? Most of us are going to live to the see the day when all schools close for good......

"Imagine you can insert a memory card in your brain and go all Keanu Wow, I know Jiu-Jitsu! Reeves. It's actually not that far away: Scientists have created a chip that allows rats to instantly know things. It's amazing. "

Scientists Create First Memory Expansion for Brain
http://gizmodo.com/5813821/scientists-create-first-memory-expansion-f o r-brain

Between tech like this and nano-assembly, all economic theory up until that point in human history will have to be completely tossed. I can't wait.


Yes. It will be great when people choose to upload every political point and stupid religious defense to idiocy into their brain instead of any fact or reason simply for the fact that they have the freedom to be a complete idiot like now. Instead of just saying "fark you, I have faith in what I believe and am going to leave", they will core dump 6000 hours of the same nonsensical bullshiat into your ears until you want to die or run away, but they will still follow you and continue the rant until they save your soul from the debbil.

Then, when something doesn't agree with them that is on the network, they will have the same technical knowledge to flood the network with bullshiat to prevent you from accessing real knowledge. They will create the new version of a virus that is simply millions of their bullshiat ideas that will flood your brain disguised as a proper academic insertion into your brain, and you will either have to succumb to their direct brainwashing or sort through the millions of idiot ideas they tricked you into downloading into your brain before you can make an intelligent thought. It'd be like turrets except with Jesus-babble.
 
2012-02-18 09:26:28 PM
Kazan: The My Little Pony Killer: My significant other is a living disagreement of this statement.

i never said there weren't ways to compensate for that


my biggest problem with home schooling is the complete lack of regulation - they should have to demonstrate compliance to the same minimum curriculum standards that the public schools adhere to. (And private schools should be subject to those)


one doesn't have the right to inflict ignorance on their offspring.


The problem with public schools is that they must cater to the lowest common denominator (you know, No Child Left Behind) therefore the minimum curriculum is well below the standards needed to actually succeed in life much less be prosperous. Regulation is the last thing home schools need! My kids go to public school--but it is necessary to supplement their education at home to ensure they have a balanced and CHALLENGING education. If you have faith and trust in the public school system, by all means allow it to be completely responsible for your child's entire education. I would rather my young be literate persons with adequate math and science skills and a broad view of art, history, music, and the world.
 
2012-02-18 09:26:35 PM
jshine: Kazan: homeschooling ... demonstrates a lack of trust in the education system.

My lack of trust in the education system comes from having gone through it myself. I wouldn't wish my experience on my progeny. Also, the wifey & I both have doctorates: there's about 20 years worth of university in the household, from undergrad through post-doc. I think we'd be up to the task of homeschooling a kid or two.


I am here to save you. I have a doctorate as well my wife has masters. I was also homeschooled.

Unless you can deal with snark about 10x worse than Fark, you are not ready to homeschool.

/my brother and I were awful.
//ended up alright though.
///some homeschoolers are crazy.
 
2012-02-18 09:27:10 PM
lilplatinum: Nels: Are you, by chance, a birther-Phelps-worshiper that believes that contraceptives are the devil's work? I'm not familiar with your brand of magical reasoning.

Even sillier, a Pagan..


Not sillier from my point of view as an agnostic/functional-atheist.
 
2012-02-18 09:27:11 PM
rebelyell2006: All religions are silly superstitions. Believing in the existence of invisible friends is irrational, and allowing those superstitious beliefs to interfere with education or health care is dangerous.

Agreed, but at least there are some hot dumb baptist chicks that are fun to take advantage of, there has yet to be an attractive "pagan"
 
2012-02-18 09:27:43 PM
culebra: BolloxReader: I'vw met thousands of people and I consider very few of them competent to function in society.

Maybe the problem lies with you rather than most of those thousands of people.


It could lie with both. Some people are just awkward outside of their small comfort zones. I have tough times interacting with people outside of my comfort zones (outside of my apartment mainly or when I am not on the phone or not surrounded by really close friends), and some places have an even more awkward semi-comfort zone status (like my workplace and college). But most of the awkwardness comes about because some people think that all people are extroverts, or else they feel an active need for turning introverts into extroverts.
 
2012-02-18 09:28:20 PM
Nels: lilplatinum: Nels: Are you, by chance, a birther-Phelps-worshiper that believes that contraceptives are the devil's work? I'm not familiar with your brand of magical reasoning.

Even sillier, a Pagan..

Not sillier from my point of view as an agnostic/functional-atheist.


Far sillier from my point, at least Jeebus folk can explain away their idiocy with conformity and peer pressure. Pretending to be Christian can be beneficial in life - case in point most successful politicians.
 
2012-02-18 09:28:25 PM
Nels: Then, when something doesn't agree with them that is on the network, they will have the same technical knowledge to flood the network with bullshiat to prevent you from accessing real knowledge. They will create the new version of a virus that is simply millions of their bullshiat ideas that will flood your brain disguised as a proper academic insertion into your brain, and you will either have to succumb to their direct brainwashing or sort through the millions of idiot ideas they tricked you into downloading into your brain before you can make an intelligent thought. It'd be like turrets except with Jesus-babble.

So kinda like the politics tab, just faster.
 
2012-02-18 09:29:41 PM
Once I learned how to read in grade 1, I pretty much taught myself everything else by reading. I was reading at college level in grade 3 and nobody gave a damn. "Oh, these tests show you're gifted. Why don't you sit in class and read novels when you get bored?"

School isn't so much about learning but about socialization. You don't want to end up with kids who smell like oatmeal and can't figure out what personal space is.
 
2012-02-18 09:31:49 PM
rebelyell2006: culebra: BolloxReader: I'vw met thousands of people and I consider very few of them competent to function in society.

Maybe the problem lies with you rather than most of those thousands of people.

It could lie with both. Some people are just awkward outside of their small comfort zones. I have tough times interacting with people outside of my comfort zones (outside of my apartment mainly or when I am not on the phone or not surrounded by really close friends), and some places have an even more awkward semi-comfort zone status (like my workplace and college). But most of the awkwardness comes about because some people think that all people are extroverts, or else they feel an active need for turning introverts into extroverts.


You're making the rational version of the argument to which I was referring, though. How could society function at all if very few individuals out of thousands were unable to function competently in society? It's a completely subjective statement that smacks of an overestimation of one's own normalcy.

Of course everyone knows I'm the only sane one.
 
2012-02-18 09:34:38 PM
Jarhead_h: You know what's really farking hysterical? Most of us are going to live to the see the day when all schools close for good......

"Imagine you can insert a memory card in your brain and go all Keanu Wow, I know Jiu-Jitsu! Reeves. It's actually not that far away: Scientists have created a chip that allows rats to instantly know things. It's amazing. "




Yeah but all the chip will teach us is the best way to find cheese and how to make a better hole in the wall.
 
2012-02-18 09:35:28 PM
Kazan: what the fark is it with the hate for public education... i don't understand it.. my teachers were as a rule skilled educators, the the fact that you reviewed what previously covered before a number of times did annoy me - but i know what many people don't retain things as quickly as i do.perhaps i'm spoiled by having grown up in a state with schools run generally well and with teachers who were all good..... of course now all of my best teachers have retired early because budgetary pressure.sure there are some problems - no tolerance policy stupidity, too much money being diverted from education to other thinsg.. but those are addressable... please explain the hate?

the decline from education to day long day care in some areas

i recall news reports ages ago wailing about this, but I do blame Bush for hastening it with the no child getting ahead act

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2012-02-18 09:35:34 PM
To be fair, kids will (probably) never learn to properly score weed if home schooled.
 
2012-02-18 09:36:14 PM
culebra: rebelyell2006: culebra: BolloxReader: I'vw met thousands of people and I consider very few of them competent to function in society.

Maybe the problem lies with you rather than most of those thousands of people.

It could lie with both. Some people are just awkward outside of their small comfort zones. I have tough times interacting with people outside of my comfort zones (outside of my apartment mainly or when I am not on the phone or not surrounded by really close friends), and some places have an even more awkward semi-comfort zone status (like my workplace and college). But most of the awkwardness comes about because some people think that all people are extroverts, or else they feel an active need for turning introverts into extroverts.

You're making the rational version of the argument to which I was referring, though. How could society function at all if very few individuals out of thousands were unable to function competently in society? It's a completely subjective statement that smacks of an overestimation of one's own normalcy.

Of course everyone knows I'm the only sane one.


I never said I was disagreeing with you. The same reason why a blanket condemnation of all homeschooling is ridiculous. There are so many varieties of personalities and learning styles that one cannot force all students to learn using just the cognitive side of their brain. The reason there are a variety of private non-religious schools out there is because public schools focus on the behavioral and didactic, while private schools and homeschooling allow for developmental education.
 
2012-02-18 09:36:28 PM
EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD IS HITLER!
 
2012-02-18 09:36:48 PM
lilplatinum: Nels: lilplatinum: Nels: Are you, by chance, a birther-Phelps-worshiper that believes that contraceptives are the devil's work? I'm not familiar with your brand of magical reasoning.

Even sillier, a Pagan..

Not sillier from my point of view as an agnostic/functional-atheist.

Far sillier from my point, at least Jeebus folk can explain away their idiocy with conformity and peer pressure. Pretending to be Christian can be beneficial in life - case in point most successful politicians.


You also think the only upside to religion is that you can trick the faithful into having sex. Why on Earth would your opinions on religion matter, since you're only using it for personal gratification?
 
2012-02-18 09:37:08 PM
homeschooled: As someone that was homeschooled, along with my brother and sister, I find it hilarious that all of you people are making these judgments because you've met some socially awkward homeschoolers and are all of the sudden experts.

You're sitting home on a Saturday night making detailed arguments with faceless strangers. Yep, you're a social butterfly.
 
2012-02-18 09:37:56 PM
rebelyell2006: I never said I was disagreeing with you

And I never said I thought you were. In fact, I was trying to compliment you on making the original argument in a better way. Everything you just said was spot on as well.
 
2012-02-18 09:39:43 PM
culebra: rebelyell2006: I never said I was disagreeing with you

And I never said I thought you were. In fact, I was trying to compliment you on making the original argument in a better way. Everything you just said was spot on as well.


Sorry, I read too much into your ", though" at the end of the statement.
 
2012-02-18 09:39:57 PM
rohar: Nels: Then, when something doesn't agree with them that is on the network, they will have the same technical knowledge to flood the network with bullshiat to prevent you from accessing real knowledge. They will create the new version of a virus that is simply millions of their bullshiat ideas that will flood your brain disguised as a proper academic insertion into your brain, and you will either have to succumb to their direct brainwashing or sort through the millions of idiot ideas they tricked you into downloading into your brain before you can make an intelligent thought. It'd be like turrets except with Jesus-babble.

So kinda like the politics tab, just faster.


I must apologize because I used turrets while thinking about FPS's auto-turrets (swear I am not a gamer), and I feel like a complete nerd now. Thanks for quoting me and making me read it again, asshole.
 
2012-02-18 09:40:25 PM
Lsherm: Kazan: my biggest problem with home schooling is the complete lack of regulation

Huh, we agree on something. Home schooling should not be used to create substandard students.

Most private schools have to meet state regulations to get state funds, so most do.


are there instances, documented of course, of homeschooled children being substandard in their education?
 
2012-02-18 09:41:21 PM
kombat_unit: To be fair, kids will (probably) never learn to properly score weed if home schooled.

No, there's always the neighbor kids, the homeschoolers just have to wait till they get home
 
2012-02-18 09:42:20 PM
PsiChick: You also think the only upside to religion is that you can trick the faithful into having sex. Why on Earth would your opinions on religion matter, since you're only using it for personal gratification?

I don't use it for anything, religion is a pox on society.

I was just categorizing it's one decent function - and even that function is only amusing because it involves corrupting adherants and making them violating their beliefs.

And because sexy time is fun.
 
2012-02-18 09:44:11 PM
sendtodave: I agree with you: Big idiots trying to teach little idiots, Love it!

Think about the movie Deliverance, they were homeschooled, amiright.

Uh, there are companies that offer standardized curriculum.

These guys are a good example.

Bonus: They're set up as charter schools in many states, so tuition is free. Taxpayer funded home school!


Texas has something like that, but you have to log on and keep hours similar to a public school
 
2012-02-18 09:47:06 PM
lilplatinum: PsiChick: You also think the only upside to religion is that you can trick the faithful into having sex. Why on Earth would your opinions on religion matter, since you're only using it for personal gratification?

I don't use it for anything, religion is a pox on society.

I was just categorizing it's one decent function - and even that function is only amusing because it involves corrupting adherants and making them violating their beliefs.

And because sexy time is fun.


Pro-tip: You can argue with trolls and still wake up not wanting to cry. Arguing with the insane will just make you hate humanity.

/just a suggestion
 
2012-02-18 09:50:03 PM
Nels: lilplatinum: PsiChick: You also think the only upside to religion is that you can trick the faithful into having sex. Why on Earth would your opinions on religion matter, since you're only using it for personal gratification?

I don't use it for anything, religion is a pox on society.

I was just categorizing it's one decent function - and even that function is only amusing because it involves corrupting adherants and making them violating their beliefs.

And because sexy time is fun.

Pro-tip: You can argue with trolls and still wake up not wanting to cry. Arguing with the insane will just make you hate humanity.

/just a suggestion


Thank you, that is sound advice, Nels. I'll have to keep it in mind while talking to you two.
 
2012-02-18 09:50:27 PM
I'll just leave this here;

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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106585
 
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