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2012-02-18 09:11:30 AM
Could such a go-it-alone ideology ever be truly progressive-by which I mean, does homeschooling serve the interests not just of those who are doing it, but of society as a whole?

Well, it shouldn't shock anyone that an American liberal believes parents should forgo what is best for their children in order to best serve "the collective".
 
2012-02-18 09:56:30 AM

Lsherm: Could such a go-it-alone ideology ever be truly progressive-by which I mean, does homeschooling serve the interests not just of those who are doing it, but of society as a whole?

Well, it shouldn't shock anyone that an American liberal believes parents should forgo what is best for their children in order to best serve "the collective".


"Low-income kids earn higher test scores when they attend school alongside middle-class kids, while the test scores of privileged children are impervious to the influence of less-privileged peers."

The author is making the argument, rather convincingly, that privileged students suffer no harm by being educated with their less privileged peers. In fact, they come out better off in terms of being socially adept in diverse groups and having a deeper commitment to the civic institutions, including education, that make our country great.

The fact that you misquote TFA to make a snide political jab instead of using it as a frame for an interesting discussion is not at all flattering to your educators.
 
2012-02-18 01:12:39 PM

Lsherm: Could such a go-it-alone ideology ever be truly progressive-by which I mean, does homeschooling serve the interests not just of those who are doing it, but of society as a whole?

Well, it shouldn't shock anyone that an American liberal believes parents should forgo what is best for their children in order to best serve "the collective".



Let me interpret for those of you who don't speak derp:

DERPDERP_I'm_a_racist_HERPADERPDERPDERP_libslibslibs_DERPDERP_i_faile d _science_and_reading_HERPADERP!
 
2012-02-18 01:55:51 PM

Lsherm: Could such a go-it-alone ideology ever be truly progressive-by which I mean, does homeschooling serve the interests not just of those who are doing it, but of society as a whole?

Well, it shouldn't shock anyone that an American liberal believes parents should forgo what is best for their children in order to best serve "the collective".


Read the quoted part again. Then again, very slowly. Read it aloud if you find that helps. Or you could ask a parent to explain it to you.

Then punch yourself in the balls for me, ok?
 
2012-02-18 01:56:54 PM
I'm a Liberal, but for the life of me I can't think of which of my values homeschooling would violate. Is there a newsletter for Progressives that I failed to sign up for when I got my Liberal membership card? Ideally, one that would tell me what my values should be so that I would know how violated I should feel when people homeschool their kids?
 
2012-02-18 01:58:36 PM

Lsherm: "the collective".


I just want to note, for your future reference, that periods and commas should be placed within the quotation marks.
 
2012-02-18 02:00:25 PM

RexTalionis: Lsherm: "the collective".

I just want to note, for your future reference, that periods and commas should be placed within the quotation marks.


Isn't that just a preference? Personally I only do it when it's a full sentence, bugs me otherwise.

/end slight threadjack
 
2012-02-18 02:12:52 PM
what the fark is it with the hate for public education... i don't understand it.. my teachers were as a rule skilled educators, the the fact that you reviewed what previously covered before a number of times did annoy me - but i know what many people don't retain things as quickly as i do.


perhaps i'm spoiled by having grown up in a state with schools run generally well and with teachers who were all good..... of course now all of my best teachers have retired early because budgetary pressure.

sure there are some problems - no tolerance policy stupidity, too much money being diverted from education to other thinsg.. but those are addressable... please explain the hate?


pudding7: ..


homeschooling isolates your kids from experiences that would help them understand other people and develop a sense of community and compassion. it also demonstrates a lack of trust in the education system.
 
2012-02-18 02:17:17 PM
Homeschooling might be a mistake, but it sure does get you a hot, if toothy, wife.
 
2012-02-18 02:31:18 PM
fta: ...a significant number of secular homeschoolers are also adherents of attachment parenting, the perennially controversial ideology defined by practices such as co-sleeping with one's child and breast-feeding for far longer than typical, sometimes well beyond toddlerhood.

*threw up a little in the back of my mouth*

Ew, just ew.

/Showed up for hot toothy wife pic, leaving thoroughly disheartened and more than a little creeped out.
 
2012-02-18 02:37:22 PM

Kazan: what the fark is it with the hate for public education... i don't understand it.. my teachers were as a rule skilled educators, the the fact that you reviewed what previously covered before a number of times did annoy me - but i know what many people don't retain things as quickly as i do.


perhaps i'm spoiled by having grown up in a state with schools run generally well and with teachers who were all good..... of course now all of my best teachers have retired early because budgetary pressure.

sure there are some problems - no tolerance policy stupidity, too much money being diverted from education to other thinsg.. but those are addressable... please explain the hate?


pudding7: ..

homeschooling isolates your kids from experiences that would help them understand other people and develop a sense of community and compassion. it also demonstrates a lack of trust in the education system.


The computers at your school didn't have a "shift" key did they?
 
2012-02-18 02:38:25 PM
t3.gstatic.com

Unless......
 
2012-02-18 02:40:00 PM

doyner: The computers at your school didn't have a "shift" key did they?


when you cannot dispute the content, attack the delivery.
 
2012-02-18 02:41:44 PM

Kazan: doyner: The computers at your school didn't have a "shift" key did they?

when you cannot dispute the content, attack the delivery.


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2012-02-18 02:43:16 PM

doyner: Kazan: doyner: The computers at your school didn't have a "shift" key did they?

when you cannot dispute the content, attack the delivery.

[welcometofark.jpg]


yes, because misuing that meme makes you correct and instantly the ruler of the planet.
 
2012-02-18 02:44:25 PM

Kazan: doyner: Kazan: doyner: The computers at your school didn't have a "shift" key did they?

when you cannot dispute the content, attack the delivery.

[welcometofark.jpg]

yes, because misuing that meme makes you correct and instantly the ruler of the planet.


[lightenupfrancis.jpg]
 
2012-02-18 02:47:44 PM

Kazan: homeschooling isolates your kids from experiences that would help them understand other people and develop a sense of community and compassion.


My significant other is a living disagreement of this statement.
 
2012-02-18 02:49:45 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Kazan: homeschooling isolates your kids from experiences that would help them understand other people and develop a sense of community and compassion.

My significant other is a living disagreement of this statement.


Do you have any pictures to back u[ your assertion?
 
2012-02-18 02:50:15 PM

RexTalionis: Lsherm: "the collective".

I just want to note, for your future reference, that periods and commas should be placed within the quotation marks.


That's an American rule (new window), imperialist :)
 
2012-02-18 02:51:11 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: My significant other is a living disagreement of this statement.


i never said there weren't ways to compensate for that


my biggest problem with home schooling is the complete lack of regulation - they should have to demonstrate compliance to the same minimum curriculum standards that the public schools adhere to. (And private schools should be subject to those)


one doesn't have the right to inflict ignorance on their offspring.
 
2012-02-18 02:51:55 PM

pudding7: I'm a Liberal, but for the life of me I can't think of which of my values homeschooling would violate. Is there a newsletter for Progressives that I failed to sign up for when I got my Liberal membership card? Ideally, one that would tell me what my values should be so that I would know how violated I should feel when people homeschool their kids?


I guess there's two ways to look at it. One, homeschooling in and of itself is ideologically neutral. You can homeschool your kids in a tight, religious environment or a loose, unstructured format like the author describes and neither group of kids are really going to benefit much imo. But if you're qualified and you teach your kids based on accepted standards, I don't think it matters what your ideology is. The other way to look at it, which I guess is what the author is getting at, is that in abandoning the public schools, liberals are only making the problem worse which is antithetical to the purpose of public schools. There are plenty of examples of public schools working just fine, and if you want to see the best, so to a National Lab town where education is highly valued and kids are held to high standards. The author's point seems to be that a liberal should strive for the later as opposed to opting out.
 
2012-02-18 03:00:41 PM
This article is so derp that I'm not even going to bother arguing against it.

Normally I'd drag out decades of studies and current stats. I'd post graphs & pie charts. Then give personal anecdotes that don't actually factually prove anything, but do give my side of the story.

Someone is wrong on the internet but I'm going to finish my interneting and go enjoy my day instead.

/liberal
//homeschooler
///more slashies
 
2012-02-18 03:03:35 PM

penthesilea: Normally I'd drag out decades of studies and current stats. I'd post graphs & pie charts.


oh yeah? let's see this data. i presume you're trying to claim that home schooling is superior.
 
2012-02-18 03:11:39 PM

Kazan: penthesilea: Normally I'd drag out decades of studies and current stats. I'd post graphs & pie charts.

oh yeah? let's see this data. i presume you're trying to claim that home schooling is superior.


Nope.
Not today. Today I'm going to buy my kid new hiking boots and take a trip to Costco. I shouldn't let myself turn into the homeschool version of Bevets.
 
2012-02-18 03:14:45 PM

Kazan: my biggest problem with home schooling is the complete lack of regulation


Huh, we agree on something. Home schooling should not be used to create substandard students.

Most private schools have to meet state regulations to get state funds, so most do.
 
2012-02-18 03:32:59 PM

RexTalionis: Lsherm: "the collective".

I just want to note, for your future reference, that periods and commas should be placed within the quotation marks.


scottydoesntknow: RexTalionis: Lsherm: "the collective".

I just want to note, for your future reference, that periods and commas should be placed within the quotation marks.

Isn't that just a preference? Personally I only do it when it's a full sentence, bugs me otherwise.

/end slight threadjack


i1125.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-18 05:37:31 PM
With society moving to a more "On Demand" topology,with iTunes, Netfilx ,news aggregator , and social media websites, the shut-ins are poised to rule the world
 
2012-02-18 05:40:53 PM
damn new-age feelgooderies
 
2012-02-18 05:41:49 PM

Lsherm: Could such a go-it-alone ideology ever be truly progressive-by which I mean, does homeschooling serve the interests not just of those who are doing it, but of society as a whole?

Well, it shouldn't shock anyone that an American liberal believes parents should forgo what is best for their children in order to best serve "the collective".


6/10. Good effort, but next time make your post longer.
 
2012-02-18 05:44:01 PM

ginandbacon: The author is making the argument, rather convincingly, that privileged students suffer no harm by being educated with their less privileged peers. In fact, they come out better off in terms of being socially adept in diverse groups and having a deeper commitment to the civic institutions, including education, that make our country great.


The problem is that you can't separate the effect of schooling from the limits of the test here. They're simply defining a max beyond which the test does not go, they can't see if the better kids could have gone past that max.

On the other hand, it sounds like a pretty bad case of parenting here--if you're going to homeschool you actually have to do it.
 
2012-02-18 05:44:48 PM

Kazan: The My Little Pony Killer: My significant other is a living disagreement of this statement.

i never said there weren't ways to compensate for that


my biggest problem with home schooling is the complete lack of regulation - they should have to demonstrate compliance to the same minimum curriculum standards that the public schools adhere to. (And private schools should be subject to those)


one doesn't have the right to inflict ignorance on their offspring.


Nope, no compensation going on. You're just talking out of your ass.
 
2012-02-18 05:46:27 PM

ginandbacon: The fact that you misquote TFA to make a snide political jab instead of using it as a frame for an interesting discussion is not at all flattering to your educators.


Right on. Here is the actual quote:

Could such a go-it-alone ideology ever be truly progressive-by which I mean, does homeschooling serve the interests not just of those who are doing it, but of society as a whole?

Kazan: homeschooling isolates your kids from experiences that would help them understand other people and develop a sense of community and compassion. it also demonstrates a lack of trust in the education system.


I was the nerdy kid that got picked on a lot. I was put into GT class (GEEKS AND TURDS! HAHA! *punch*), segregated from the majority of students anyway.

Which was OK by me. Because I did learn about other people in school.

Other people are dicks.
 
2012-02-18 05:46:34 PM

scottydoesntknow: RexTalionis: Lsherm: "the collective".

I just want to note, for your future reference, that periods and commas should be placed within the quotation marks.

Isn't that just a preference? Personally I only do it when it's a full sentence, bugs me otherwise.


Yes. Some folks only place the period within the quotes if the period was part of a quoted phrase.

Examples:

John is an "expert video-gamer". (not a quote)

Abe: I'd love to go to the dance.
Dave: Abe said he'd "love to go". (quoting, but not something that itself used a period)
Steve: Abe said he'd "love to go to the dance." (quoting something that used a period)
 
2012-02-18 05:49:07 PM

penthesilea: Not today.


Probably a wise decision. It's better to put your efforts in places that might make a difference in the way people think.
 
2012-02-18 05:49:53 PM
I live next door the to 30 year old product of homeschooling by an uber liberal.
What a mess.
Just as bad as if she'd been homeschooled by an uber fundie.
No understanding at all of basic social norms.
Cringe worthy comments constantly fly right out of her mouth as if there's no filter at all.
Consequently, no one wants to be withing 50 ft. of her for more than 30 seconds.
Missed all those crucial young years learning how to socialize with people.
Honestly, I don't think you ever get those back.

IMO, homeschooling does nothing but create social retards.
 
2012-02-18 05:51:07 PM

Kazan: homeschooling isolates your kids from experiences that would help them understand other people and develop a sense of community and compassion.


i52.tinypic.com
 
2012-02-18 05:53:38 PM

Kazan: homeschooling isolates your kids from experiences that would help them understand other people and develop a sense of community and compassion.

Because there is no other way for your kids to meet people unless it is in a government-approved setting....

it also demonstrates a lack of trust in the education system.

Yes. It does.

THAT'S THE POINT.

 
2012-02-18 05:53:46 PM

DavidVincent: Kazan: homeschooling isolates your kids from experiences that would help them understand other people and develop a sense of community and compassion.

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t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-02-18 05:54:28 PM
I also can't manage simple HTML. :/

/homeschooled
//kidding
 
2012-02-18 05:56:04 PM
Big idiots trying to teach little idiots, Love it!

Think about the movie Deliverance, they were homeschooled, amiright.
 
2012-02-18 05:57:09 PM

sendtodave:
I was the nerdy kid that got picked on a lot. I was put into GT class (GEEKS AND TURDS! HAHA! *punch*), segregated from the majority of students anyway.

Which was OK by me. Because I did learn about other people in school.

Other people are dicks.

 
2012-02-18 05:57:37 PM

Kazan: what the fark is it with the hate for public education... i don't understand it.. my teachers were as a rule skilled educators, the the fact that you reviewed what previously covered before a number of times did annoy me - but i know what many people don't retain things as quickly as i do.


it seems to be a case of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" when it comes to dealing with problems in public schools. No system is perfect, but instead of trying to eliminate/correct problems, they would rather just say "fark it" and do away with the whole thing. It's also people who don't see the value in an educated populace just because they're not directly benefited monetarily.

I'm not against homeschooling, but I do think those that opt into that idea generally do so for questionable ulterior motives.
 
2012-02-18 05:58:08 PM
I went to high school with a kid who was home schooled through 8th grade, now he's 23 and BALDING SLIGHTLY.

Let this be a lesson learned.
 
2012-02-18 05:58:23 PM

Kazan: one doesn't have the right to inflict ignorance on their offspring.


Oh? What law is this? I can claim any religious belief whatsoever falls under this umbrella, and therefore arrest 90% of all parents in the country.

Kazan, are you perpetually stoned? Or just always talking right out of your ass?
 
2012-02-18 05:59:01 PM

I agree with you: Big idiots trying to teach little idiots, Love it!

Think about the movie Deliverance, they were homeschooled, amiright.


Uh, there are companies that offer standardized curriculum.

These guys are a good example.

Bonus: They're set up as charter schools in many states, so tuition is free. Taxpayer funded home school!
 
2012-02-18 05:59:58 PM

ciderczar: I went to high school with a kid who was home schooled through 8th grade, now he's 23 and BALDING SLIGHTLY.

Let this be a lesson learned.


How are his teeth?
 
2012-02-18 06:02:12 PM
Most of the people I knew who were homeschooled were ultra-Christian God warriors, so I can understand why liberals wouldn't want that.
 
2012-02-18 06:04:14 PM

RexTalionis: Lsherm: "the collective".

I just want to note, for your future reference, that periods and commas should be placed within the quotation marks.


That's the American preference.

The British prefer to place periods and commas after the quotation marks. Silly British. LEARN ENGLISH FGGTS
 
2012-02-18 06:05:26 PM

ArcadianRefugee: scottydoesntknow: RexTalionis: Lsherm: "the collective".

I just want to note, for your future reference, that periods and commas should be placed within the quotation marks.

Isn't that just a preference? Personally I only do it when it's a full sentence, bugs me otherwise.

Yes. Some folks only place the period within the quotes if the period was part of a quoted phrase.

Examples:

John is an "expert video-gamer". (not a quote)

Abe: I'd love to go to the dance.
Dave: Abe said he'd "love to go". (quoting, but not something that itself used a period)
Steve: Abe said he'd "love to go to the dance." (quoting something that used a period)


Alright! A punctuation threadjack. That's something I can get behind. :)

Can't speak for all styles, but I know in AP Style and Chicago Style, periods and commas always go inside quotation marks:

John is an "expert video gamer."

All other end punctuation marks go outside the quotation marks unless they belong to the quotation:

The sign said "stop!" (indicates the sign actually contained an exclamation point)
The sign said "stop"! (indicates that a person is shouting at you after you ran a stop sign)
 
2012-02-18 06:05:49 PM

hitchking: Then punch yourself in the balls for me, ok?


I like your style.
 
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