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2012-02-18 09:11:46 AM
They aren't.
 
2012-02-18 09:15:01 AM
I find watching a movie multiple times let me actually notice things I didnt see first time around. I guess its sight seeing through the movie and finding little easter eggs hiding in the movie. Example is looking for the Pizza Planet truck in all of the Pixar Movies.
 
2012-02-18 09:18:59 AM
The Iliad.

upload.wikimedia.org

Bunch of hormonal savages, the lot of them. Could easily be adapted to a high-school setting.
 
2012-02-18 09:23:47 AM
1) You know what the movie/book is about rather than built up anticipation from posters and other advertising.

2) An ability to look for deeper meaning on each subsequent read/view
 
2012-02-18 09:25:53 AM
I'm watching a book right now and it isn't doing much of anything.
 
2012-02-18 09:26:02 AM
Ability to play the Tropes drinking game during the additional viewings/ readings?
 
2012-02-18 09:27:11 AM
3) I know when the good parts to fap at are and plan accordingly.
 
2012-02-18 09:30:08 AM
Colour_out_of_Space: I'm watching a book right now and it isn't doing much of anything.

No wonder they becoming extinct. Stupid books
 
2012-02-18 09:30:52 AM
yves0010: I find watching a movie multiple times let me actually notice things I didnt see first time around. I guess its sight seeing through the movie and finding little easter eggs hiding in the movie. Example is looking for the Pizza Planet truck in all of the Pixar Movies.

This

It's like watching a different movie sometimes because you know the ending you can pay attention to all the other elements that went into the movie. Like you, I like seeing the things in the background that might not be all the exciting but you know you have never seen it before so it make it more interesting.
 
2012-02-18 09:42:34 AM
Colour_out_of_Space: I'm watching a book right now and it isn't doing much of anything.

i1058.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-18 09:46:45 AM
What isn't better the second time?
 
2012-02-18 09:50:26 AM
Children like to re-watch or re-hear because

1) They really don't have enough of a conceptual framework to understand the story initially, so each repetition can build up their understanding of the world in general.

2) Once they have a "good understanding" they like it because they feel they have a firm grasp on how it makes sense, unlike much of what they experience in the rest of the world.

Adults who re-watch or re-read generally do so for reason #2 - they want to retreat into something they think makes sense as opposed to the real world which they are having problems understanding.
 
2012-02-18 09:51:31 AM
LewDux: What isn't better the second time?

Food?
 
2012-02-18 09:53:17 AM
LewDux: What isn't better the second time?

Superman Returns
 
2012-02-18 09:55:28 AM
I find this is true for music as well, I just got Cenotes by Giant Squid recently and the first run-through made me feel like it was a little bland, but several listens later it's fantastic.
 
2012-02-18 10:07:24 AM
I don't find all movies to be better the second time. Sometimes the twist is just so damn good that once I know it, the feeling is never the same.

But I do agree that a lot of movies can indeed be better the second time. Like other have said, you can look for hidden elements once you know what the main plot is. And with some films it's been a case that I've missed or mis-interpreted things that main characters have said cause I've been so focused on the main story. I watch it a second time and suddenly find that I missed something kinda awesome or inspiring.
 
2012-02-18 10:10:44 AM
LewDux: What isn't better the second time?

Subby's mom.
 
2012-02-18 10:11:20 AM
I don't read books twice, not since I was a kid. Memory is too good. I just remember everything that happened and get bored.

Sometimes I wish I could hypnotize myself to forget the story and get that "first read" feeling again.
 
2012-02-18 10:12:39 AM
assjuice: They aren't.

Worse, for me. I can't stand to re-read a book or re-watch a movie unless at least 5 years have passed. Usually closer to 10 years before I'm interested in it again.
 
2012-02-18 10:13:07 AM
LewDux: What isn't better the second time?

Abrams Trek.

First time I watched it. "Hey this is kind a fun."
Second Time "OH GOD MY EYES! WHY IS THE BRIDGE COVERED IN NOTHING BUT MIRRORS? WHERE IS THE SOURCE FOR THAT LIGHT?"
 
2012-02-18 10:23:08 AM
If you haven't watched shows like The Wire, Arrested Development, or Breaking Bad multiple times, you haven't seen them.
 
2012-02-18 10:27:48 AM
I'd say various reasons, to see things that might have been missed, to pay attention to other areas that you didn't realized were important to the story, because you simply enjoy the story, the boobies were worth seeing again.

I find with music, sometimes I get an album, don't really get much out of it the first time, then listen to it again, maybe even a few times in the background and then some songs hit me more than others. Many times, the "popular" song ends up the least attractive of the album.
 
2012-02-18 10:31:20 AM
Details, man.
 
2012-02-18 10:43:01 AM
Wow. Amazing! A popular news article describing the results of an earth-shattering research report that was generated by interviewing a whopping 23 people! Oh, and the exciting conclusions was that people notice things they didn't notice before! Wow!
 
2012-02-18 10:49:22 AM
It can be quite enjoyable, but I don't know that I've ever found it better on subsequent viewings or readings. I have a notoriously horrid memory and, especially with books, I can come close to being able to experience it fresh, but not quite, and the initial read or watch is still superior. Regardless, I very rarely rewatch a movie or series, although I did go through Arrested Development again recently. Certainly, you can find missed details and such that add to the story, but I don't think that is preferable to being unaware of how the plot will unfold.
 
2012-02-18 10:55:19 AM
I intend to read Armor by John Steakley again.
/and again
//etc
 
2012-02-18 11:00:51 AM
Good books and movies are better on repeat viewing, especially if you can appreciate different viewpoints as you grow and change. Characters can be seen in a different light with an alternate viewpoint.

Thud and Blunder is always the same.
 
2012-02-18 11:03:54 AM
If it's a good comedy, watching it the 2nd time around let's me catch stuff I didn't hear the first time because I was laughing.
 
2012-02-18 11:12:23 AM
Vacation Bible School: LewDux: What isn't better the second time?

Abrams Trek.

First time I watched it. "Hey this is kind a fun."
Second Time "OH GOD MY EYES! WHY IS THE BRIDGE COVERED IN NOTHING BUT MIRRORS? WHERE IS THE SOURCE FOR THAT LIGHT?"


My favorite part is right at the beginning. The ship is pointed at a star and it takes the Captain to get them to polarize the view screen so they don't go blind.
 
2012-02-18 11:13:36 AM
Forgot to add: i always hear the captain order "Polarize the view screen, dumbasses."
 
2012-02-18 11:17:03 AM
CatfoodSpork: Wow. Amazing! A popular news article describing the results of an earth-shattering research report that was generated by interviewing a whopping 23 people! Oh, and the exciting conclusions was that people notice things they didn't notice before! Wow!

I didn't notice that in the article...let me go back and read it again.
 
2012-02-18 11:19:46 AM
I've seen Rashomon 4 times. Seemed different each time.
 
2012-02-18 11:29:43 AM
BloodySaxon: If you haven't watched shows like The Wire, Arrested Development, or Breaking Bad multiple times, you haven't seen them.

This!

And may I add Community to the list.
 
2012-02-18 11:31:06 AM
As you may guess from my logins Pirate Freedom and An Evil Guest I am a fan of Gene Wolfe's work
The first pass is just figuring out what some of the questions are
The more times I read a masterpiece like "Peace" the more I see and appreciate
 
2012-02-18 12:17:27 PM
I read LOTR again every five to ten years. Gets better every time. The Dark Tower series was also very good a second time.
 
2012-02-18 01:12:18 PM
Heck yeah! After i finished reading the Dark Tower, i immediately started reading it again.

As for movies, i saw a lot of my favorite films -- like Pulp Fiction and the Big Lebowski -- as a snot-nosed anime-obsessed teenager, and definitely did not have the life experience to really "get" them. Seeing them later after i'd done some drugs, touched some boobs, and become a bit more jaded made them really begin to ring true.
 
2012-02-18 01:21:22 PM
Kurmudgeon: I intend to read Armor by John Steakley again.
/and again
//etc


I've read that one through 4 times now and it gets better every time. I finally "get" everything in it.

/Apparently Guardians are complete and utter badasses
 
2012-02-18 01:39:58 PM
It's not addictive or ritualistic behavior, but rather a conscious effort to probe deeper layers of significance in the revisited material, while also reflecting on one's own growth through the lens of the familiar book, movie or place.

Well, no shiat!!
 
2012-02-18 01:44:07 PM
The reason some people re-read or re-watch something 3 or more times say within a year is similar to re-watching a porn movie though more needy and less cathartic.
 
2012-02-18 02:01:26 PM
Thanks to the interwebs, we don't have to read or watch the same thing ever again.
 
2012-02-18 02:06:24 PM
RatOmeter: assjuice: They aren't.

Worse, for me. I can't stand to re-read a book or re-watch a movie unless at least 5 years have passed. Usually closer to 10 years before I'm interested in it again.


Agreed.

I can't really re-watch most TV series or reread stuff for a few years.
 
2012-02-18 02:34:04 PM
Tobin_Lam: Forgot to add: i always hear the captain order "Polarize the view screen, dumbasses."

I *think* he was trying to convey that a starship flies on instrumentation (much to 2nd Violin's annoyance) rather than anyone looking out the 'window'. Which was probably already flitering out anything harmful and just something pretty to look at until needed.

But yeah, it comes over as the USS Derp and it's crew of retards every time I've seen that scene.
 
2012-02-18 02:37:02 PM
Yep, I have to consciously restrain myself from rereading/rewatching or I'll never read or watch anything new. Especially from replaying old video games.

Odd thing is, a lot of stuff isn't better the second time. LotR (book) was an exciting adventure the first time, bored me the second time. The Name of the Rose (book) kept me up all night first time, kind of dragged on the second, though I suppose mysteries (which depend on suspense) are like that.

Much better the second (third, and fourth) times was Crime and Punishment, where there is all kinds of deep subtext.
 
2012-02-18 02:47:02 PM
They remind me of your mom?
 
2012-02-18 02:53:14 PM
This is the 3rd time I've read this thread. Every time I come back, it seems like I find something new.
 
2012-02-18 02:58:28 PM
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: This is the 3rd time I've read this thread. Every time I come back, it seems like I find something new.

www.papamiket.com

When you see it, you'll shiat bricks probably not care. But the chick is kind of hot.
 
2012-02-18 03:05:19 PM
I find at least half of my re-watches of films result from me asking if someone's seen movie X, and they say no, so then I force it down their throats and they better farking like it.
 
2012-02-18 03:23:06 PM
Vacation Bible School: LewDux: What isn't better the second time?

Abrams Trek.

First time I watched it. "Hey this is kind a fun."
Second Time "OH GOD MY EYES! WHY IS THE BRIDGE COVERED IN NOTHING BUT MIRRORS? WHERE IS THE SOURCE FOR THAT LIGHT?"


I had a similar experience with Matrix.
First time: "Whoa, nice movie."
Second time: "Pseudo-philosophical bullshiat with more plot holes than there's plot."
 
2012-02-18 04:13:29 PM
Klopfer: Vacation Bible School: LewDux: What isn't better the second time?

Abrams Trek.

First time I watched it. "Hey this is kind a fun."
Second Time "OH GOD MY EYES! WHY IS THE BRIDGE COVERED IN NOTHING BUT MIRRORS? WHERE IS THE SOURCE FOR THAT LIGHT?"

I had a similar experience with Matrix.
First time: "Whoa, nice movie."
Second time: "Pseudo-philosophical bullshiat with more plot holes than there's plot."


First time: I was five years old and Keanu Reeves kicks the shiat out of everybody.
Second time: Keanu Reeves kicks the shiat out of everybody.
Third time: There is no third time.
 
2012-02-18 05:51:54 PM
FirstNationalBastard: RatOmeter: assjuice: They aren't.

Worse, for me. I can't stand to re-read a book or re-watch a movie unless at least 5 years have passed. Usually closer to 10 years before I'm interested in it again.

Agreed.

I can't really re-watch most TV series or reread stuff for a few years.


I read for story. Not for philosophy or knowledge. So one passthrough is usually enough, I've got 80% of it memorized, and most of the fiction/fantasy/etc. is so by the book (ha?) that it's all as predictable as a medical/law procedural TV show anyway.

Doesn't mean I don't enjoy books, movies, shows, or that I'm not moved by them. I just don't have any interest in watching them again; what was funny/moving/etc. the first time is bland and tedious the second, becoming an exercise in self will rather than entertaining.
 
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