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2012-02-18 08:45:20 AM
What if you have a whole book of Christmas stamps for all the cards that you didn't get around to sending, will those still work next year? It's really the only thing I really use the mail for. Or I always intend to.
 
2012-02-18 08:58:07 AM

Mugato: What if you have a whole book of Christmas stamps for all the cards that you didn't get around to sending, will those still work next year? It's really the only thing I really use the mail for. Or I always intend to.


I think you can use more than one stamp to meet the postage criteria, and if so they will probably sell lesser-value stamps to bring the postage to exactly fifty cents with just two stamps.

/people still buy books of stamps?
 
2012-02-18 08:58:14 AM

Mugato: What if you have a whole book of Christmas stamps for all the cards that you didn't get around to sending, will those still work next year? It's really the only thing I really use the mail for. Or I always intend to.


They'll usually sell stamps to make up the difference, but yours won't work if they raise the rates.

Also, 50 farking cents is still A GOOD DEAL! And I farking hate the postal service. I think the postal union and inane Congressional rules are holding them hostage to piss-poor business practices, and I believe they could improve a great deal if they were allowed to make some tough decisions. They could close post offices in extremely low population areas and contract out mail services to convenience stores, like they do in Europe. They could stop Tuesday or Saturday delivery.
 
2012-02-18 09:04:32 AM

Mugato: What if you have a whole book of Christmas stamps for all the cards that you didn't get around to sending, will those still work next year? It's really the only thing I really use the mail for. Or I always intend to.


If they're from the last two years with "Forever" on the stamp, they'll work (I don't think they're going to welch on that). Older than that would need additional postage. Not that anyone is watching that closely most of the time. I mail quite a few packages slathered in 70s-90s stamps. The USPS clerks tell me an IRS audit is more likely than someone bothering to count up the value.

50 cents would at least get our postal rates roughly in line with Mexico (currently around 55c), Turkey, Colombia, etc. Still absurdly lower than any first world nation except the city-states. But the chances that the politically-appointed rate panel will let them go to even 50 cents while official inflation is so low? Very small. Ask for 50 cents and the panel might let them raise it to 47 in a year.
 
2012-02-18 09:06:40 AM
Let's just remind everyone again that the USPS is currently putting 75 years of pensions away in a 5 year span, causing most of their deficit. This was forced onto them by Congress, who also forced them into a business model, and refuses to allow them to address the deficit that Congress gave them.
 
2012-02-18 09:19:24 AM
Where is Lysander Spooner when you need him?

What do you mean, he's dead?
 
2012-02-18 09:29:58 AM
They should raise it to a dollar and be done with it.
 
2012-02-18 10:08:39 AM
I just print em

/post offices are sad places
 
2012-02-18 11:26:25 AM

GAT_00: Let's just remind everyone again that the USPS is currently putting 75 years of pensions away in a 5 year span, causing most of their deficit. This was forced onto them by Congress, who also forced them into a business model, and refuses to allow them to address the deficit that Congress gave them.


AT LEAST someone is paying for pensions.

and yah
no more saturday delivery
(and later kill tuesday or wednesday)
(yes, I know wednesday is best food day, so will still need to get those coupons out)

and the up roar about tiny post offices? well what about instead we stop doing rural postal delivery and make the farkers pick their mail up at the post office. no one NEEDS daily mail delivery. farkem
 
2012-02-18 11:30:17 AM
No, they need to raise the prices of second and third class mail that all the businesses use. I heard that something like 70% of the mail delivered is second or third class, so if they bumped that up 1 cent, they would be making how much more money.

But no, they cannot piss off the businesses, so let's go after the public for all the extra money we need.
 
2012-02-18 11:39:56 AM

GAT_00: Let's just remind everyone again that the USPS is currently putting 75 years of pensions away in a 5 year span, causing most of their deficit. This was forced onto them by Congress, who also forced them into a business model, and refuses to allow them to address the deficit that Congress gave them.



Came here to pretty much say this.

Good jorb!!!
 
2012-02-18 12:32:25 PM

namatad: AT LEAST someone is paying for pensions.


Really? It's necessary to put money aside to pay someone when they retire, when that person hasn't been born yet?
 
2012-02-18 12:33:00 PM

casual disregard: Mugato: What if you have a whole book of Christmas stamps for all the cards that you didn't get around to sending, will those still work next year? It's really the only thing I really use the mail for. Or I always intend to.

I think you can use more than one stamp to meet the postage criteria, and if so they will probably sell lesser-value stamps to bring the postage to exactly fifty cents with just two stamps.

/people still buy books of stamps?



I do.

I regularly send cards and letters to my grandmother in the Midwest who's in a nursing home. I also send holiday cards, family photos, etc., to friends and family.
 
2012-02-18 12:33:10 PM

namatad: AT LEAST someone is paying for pensions.


The point is that they're being forced to fund pensions for future workers who aren't even born yet.
 
2012-02-18 12:36:33 PM
They should be a government agency that ensures mail delivery to all Americans, not a quasi-business. It's time to resocialize the thing. And personally, I'd expand every office into a wi-fi access point.
 
2012-02-18 12:37:49 PM

Mugato: What if you have a whole book of Christmas stamps for all the cards that you didn't get around to sending, will those still work next year? It's really the only thing I really use the mail for. Or I always intend to.


I have stamps from 4 years ago, I don't know (or care) if postage has changed because I mail things so rarely that sticking 2 stamps on every letter still hasn't gotten rid of what I'm carrying in my checkbook. Also they are kept in my checkbook, for no particular reason.
 
2012-02-18 12:38:27 PM
A whole 50 cents to take an envelope and deliver it anywhere in the country within a week or so?

Outrageous!!!!
 
2012-02-18 12:39:34 PM

DarnoKonrad: They should be a government agency that ensures mail delivery to all Americans, not a quasi-business. It's time to resocialize the thing. And personally, I'd expand every office into a wi-fi access point.


Disagree.

The govt is very good at monitoring and regulating. But it is very bad at actually doing anything.
 
2012-02-18 12:42:10 PM

GAT_00: Let's just remind everyone again that the USPS is currently putting 75 years of pensions away in a 5 year span, causing most of their deficit. This was forced onto them by Congress, who also forced them into a business model, and refuses to allow them to address the deficit that Congress gave them.


THIS.

Congress has done NOTHING about the private businesses that purposefully short their pension funds before buyouts and mergers and dump the liability on the US taxpayer. But they insisted 75 years worth of pension funds which will cover employees not yet born!

What's really going on is that Fed-EX, UPS and other services want to take the profitable routes that the Postal Service covers, but not the rural delivery or other services the post office is also mandated to cover. Congress needs to unshackle the Post Office from the extreme rules on pensions (purposefully done as a union busting technique by Republicans) and allow them to survive. For their part the postal union needs to accept the end of Saturday delivery and be willing to consolidate local branches.

Another idea: Since everyone hates private banks, why not bring back the postal banking system? That could justify keeping the small local branches open and there is already a nationwide series of locations around. They couldn't fark it up any worse then Bank of America.
 
2012-02-18 12:42:33 PM
Forever stamps: buy now, send later, even with a larger postage price.

/good forever, or until the sun blows up
//good until the end of the post office
///good until next year!
 
2012-02-18 12:42:53 PM

Lsherm: Mugato: What if you have a whole book of Christmas stamps for all the cards that you didn't get around to sending, will those still work next year? It's really the only thing I really use the mail for. Or I always intend to.

They'll usually sell stamps to make up the difference, but yours won't work if they raise the rates.

Also, 50 farking cents is still A GOOD DEAL! And I farking hate the postal service. I think the postal union and inane Congressional rules are holding them hostage to piss-poor business practices, and I believe they could improve a great deal if they were allowed to make some tough decisions. They could close post offices in extremely low population areas and contract out mail services to convenience stores, like they do in Europe. They could stop Tuesday or Saturday delivery.


The postal union and most of the post office's business practices are fine. The problem is that Congressional Republicans have (quite recently) taken steps to actively sabotage the Post office because they want to abolish it and privatize it.

And this privatization fetish is not because private industry does better either, we "privatized" medicare in several states already to horrible effect, this is just because the congresscritters are religiously-opposed to government existing or disobeying the orders of their corporate paymasters.
 
2012-02-18 12:44:06 PM

Slives: No, they need to raise the prices of second and third class mail that all the businesses use. I heard that something like 70% of the mail delivered is second or third class, so if they bumped that up 1 cent, they would be making how much more money.

But no, they cannot piss off the businesses, so let's go after the public for all the extra money we need.


Seriously. Just raise the price of shiat spam. I get tons of it every year. Make the farkers pay more to send shiat that goes right in the roundfile
 
2012-02-18 12:45:04 PM

abfalter: DarnoKonrad: They should be a government agency that ensures mail delivery to all Americans, not a quasi-business. It's time to resocialize the thing. And personally, I'd expand every office into a wi-fi access point.

Disagree.

The govt is very good at monitoring and regulating. But it is very bad at actually doing anything.


Disagree.

I have great relations with all my goverment contacts -- what is constantly screwing up are banks, insurance companies, and other private entities.
 
2012-02-18 12:45:33 PM
If it were a whole dollar it would still be a good deal with really incredible efficiency.
 
2012-02-18 12:45:48 PM

abfalter: DarnoKonrad: They should be a government agency that ensures mail delivery to all Americans, not a quasi-business. It's time to resocialize the thing. And personally, I'd expand every office into a wi-fi access point.

Disagree.

The govt is very good at monitoring and regulating. But it is very bad at actually doing anything.


It wouldn't be that much to actually do; mostly just going to a walmart, buying a wifi router and plugging it in. But it'd probably be redundant, most public libraries already have free wifi, and how many places have a post office but not a library?
 
2012-02-18 12:47:10 PM

TheBigJerk: The problem is that Congressional Republicans have (quite recently) taken steps to actively sabotage the Post office Government in general because they want to abolish it and privatize it.


ftfy
 
2012-02-18 12:48:59 PM

Endive Wombat: GAT_00: Let's just remind everyone again that the USPS is currently putting 75 years of pensions away in a 5 year span, causing most of their deficit. This was forced onto them by Congress, who also forced them into a business model, and refuses to allow them to address the deficit that Congress gave them.


Came here to pretty much say this.

Good jorb!!!


THESE!
 
2012-02-18 12:49:15 PM
IM A POSTAL WORKER. I AM SO ANNGRY AT HOW UNGRATEFUL YOU coontS ARE EVERYTIME I DELIVER YOUR GODDAMN farkING MAIL AND NOW YOU COMPLAINE ABOYT THE PRICEOF frkkING STAMPS!!?.... JESUS GODDAM MOTHER OFGODD . FUUUUUUK OFFFFFF...,
 
2012-02-18 12:49:19 PM

Karac: abfalter: DarnoKonrad: They should be a government agency that ensures mail delivery to all Americans, not a quasi-business. It's time to resocialize the thing. And personally, I'd expand every office into a wi-fi access point.

Disagree.

The govt is very good at monitoring and regulating. But it is very bad at actually doing anything.

It wouldn't be that much to actually do; mostly just going to a walmart, buying a wifi router and plugging it in. But it'd probably be redundant, most public libraries already have free wifi, and how many places have a post office but not a library?



Lots of places out here in the sticks -- many of which will lose their post office all together at the current pace of closure. And they're still stuck on dial-up.
 
2012-02-18 12:49:31 PM

Karac: abfalter: DarnoKonrad: They should be a government agency that ensures mail delivery to all Americans, not a quasi-business. It's time to resocialize the thing. And personally, I'd expand every office into a wi-fi access point.

Disagree.

The govt is very good at monitoring and regulating. But it is very bad at actually doing anything.

It wouldn't be that much to actually do; mostly just going to a walmart, buying a wifi router and plugging it in. But it'd probably be redundant, most public libraries already have free wifi, and how many places have a post office but not a library?


Well... I doubt it would be as cut/dry as all that.

The issues I see with it; if someone commits some manner of crime using that connection (for example, viewing/downloading child pornography, downloading movies, etc.), I am certain that there would be some manner of shiatstorm over that.

There are probably some other things that could go wrong, but that comes to mind as the most likely.
 
2012-02-18 12:51:16 PM

TehNacho: Karac: abfalter: DarnoKonrad: They should be a government agency that ensures mail delivery to all Americans, not a quasi-business. It's time to resocialize the thing. And personally, I'd expand every office into a wi-fi access point.

Disagree.

The govt is very good at monitoring and regulating. But it is very bad at actually doing anything.

It wouldn't be that much to actually do; mostly just going to a walmart, buying a wifi router and plugging it in. But it'd probably be redundant, most public libraries already have free wifi, and how many places have a post office but not a library?

Well... I doubt it would be as cut/dry as all that.

The issues I see with it; if someone commits some manner of crime using that connection (for example, viewing/downloading child pornography, downloading movies, etc.), I am certain that there would be some manner of shiatstorm over that.

There are probably some other things that could go wrong, but that comes to mind as the most likely.




I'm talking about a nationalized ISP at affordable rates. Kinda like what the post office is for mail delivery.
 
2012-02-18 12:53:05 PM

DarnoKonrad: TehNacho: Karac: abfalter: DarnoKonrad: They should be a government agency that ensures mail delivery to all Americans, not a quasi-business. It's time to resocialize the thing. And personally, I'd expand every office into a wi-fi access point.

Disagree.

The govt is very good at monitoring and regulating. But it is very bad at actually doing anything.

It wouldn't be that much to actually do; mostly just going to a walmart, buying a wifi router and plugging it in. But it'd probably be redundant, most public libraries already have free wifi, and how many places have a post office but not a library?

Well... I doubt it would be as cut/dry as all that.

The issues I see with it; if someone commits some manner of crime using that connection (for example, viewing/downloading child pornography, downloading movies, etc.), I am certain that there would be some manner of shiatstorm over that.

There are probably some other things that could go wrong, but that comes to mind as the most likely.

I'm talking about a nationalized ISP at affordable rates. Kinda like what the post office is for mail delivery.


I totally misunderstood your first po(no filter)st

At the same time- now the staff that delivers the mail and all that either have to be trained or replaced or augmented to also be ISP staff.
 
2012-02-18 12:53:25 PM

ghare: If it were a whole dollar it would still be a good deal with really incredible efficiency.


This is kind of a tangent, but your thinking is exactly the reason a 2 party system is a bad idea. One side can argue that $0.45 is a fine price, the other argues for $0.50. They're both almost exactly the same, and yet it's presented as a dichotomy, that there are only 2 choices, and those are the extremes of the spectrum.

In reality, of course $1 to have a piece of mail delivered anywhere in the country is still a great deal. But until we get (real) diversity of political beliefs in Congress, corrupt politicians will argue about inane details and media acts like we have real choices, when we don't.
 
2012-02-18 12:55:04 PM

GAT_00: Let's just remind everyone again that the USPS is currently putting 75 years of pensions away in a 5 year span, causing most of their deficit. This was forced onto them by Congress, who also forced them into a business model, and refuses to allow them to address the deficit that Congress gave them.


Let's just remind everyone again that the USPS makes most of their money not from stamps, but from the tons and tons of junk and bulk mail that is sent to all of us. This was forced onto us by the USPS, who also will not allow us to stop it.

Oh noes, my spam might stop coming if they go broke! Whatever would we do without it!?! Fark the USPS.
 
2012-02-18 12:55:43 PM
Also, I live in an apartment, and my mailbox is inside the front door. The mail carrier doesn't come in to pick up my outgoing mail unless he/she has something to deliver. Lazy bastards.
 
2012-02-18 12:56:02 PM
I bought a lifetime supply of Forever Stamps, so raise away. In fact, given the rate of increase in USPS rates and the continuing near-zero interest rates, buying FSs for later resale would probably be a high-return investment.
 
2012-02-18 12:58:18 PM

GAT_00: Let's just remind everyone again that the USPS is currently putting 75 years of pensions away in a 5 year span, causing most of their deficit. This was forced onto them by Congress, who also forced them into a business model, and refuses to allow them to address the deficit that Congress gave them.


That sums it up nicely, actually. Congress tells them when, how often, and where to deliver; sets their prices, and bars them from making the sort of bulk discounts that their private competitors use. The Post Service, from what I've read, has been a piggy bank for the feds for most of its existence, and now that there is trouble, they just want to suck all the value they can out of it in a controlled collapse.

The unions suck, the management sucks, and their government overlords are a joke. Still the cheapest, most efficient postal service in the world in one of the most difficult and varied countries to offer universal service. More of the crisis is due to regulatory abominations than loss of volume.
 
2012-02-18 12:59:11 PM

umad: GAT_00: Let's just remind everyone again that the USPS is currently putting 75 years of pensions away in a 5 year span, causing most of their deficit. This was forced onto them by Congress, who also forced them into a business model, and refuses to allow them to address the deficit that Congress gave them.

Let's just remind everyone again that the USPS makes most of their money not from stamps, but from the tons and tons of junk and bulk mail that is sent to all of us. This was forced onto us by the USPS, who also will not allow us to stop it.

Oh noes, my spam might stop coming if they go broke! Whatever would we do without it!?! Fark the USPS.



No it was 'forced' by market realities. When it shouldn't even be in the market to begin with. Fark Nixon for putting it there.
 
2012-02-18 01:00:38 PM

jjorsett: I bought a lifetime supply of Forever Stamps, so raise away. In fact, given the rate of increase in USPS rates and the continuing near-zero interest rates, buying FSs for later resale would probably be a high-return investment.


Been done before

24.media.tumblr.com

/to the cloud!
 
2012-02-18 01:02:47 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/6949523/75047724#c75047724" target="_blank">GAT_00</a>:</b> <i>Let's just remind everyone again that the USPS is currently putting 75 years of pensions away in a 5 year span, causing most of their deficit. This was forced onto them by Congress, who also forced them into a business model, and refuses to allow them to address the deficit that Congress gave them.</i>

and lets remember that this was BUSH- era legislation, and the congresscritters behind the legislation had major "donations" from UPS. Think of all the money UPS and fedex could make if USPS went under!
 
2012-02-18 01:03:19 PM

Mugato: What if you have a whole book of Christmas stamps for all the cards that you didn't get around to sending, will those still work next year? It's really the only thing I really use the mail for. Or I always intend to.


Most of the stamps sold in recent years are "Forever" stamps, meaning they'll work no matter whatever the current rate is.

Look at the stamp itself; if it specifically has a cent amount on it, you'll have to use additional postage. If they just say "First Class Mail", you'll still be able to use them.
 
2012-02-18 01:03:55 PM

jjorsett: I bought a lifetime supply of Forever Stamps, so raise away. In fact, given the rate of increase in USPS rates and the continuing near-zero interest rates, buying FSs for later resale would probably be a high-return investment.


An investment that doesn't even keep up with inflation?


That's some fine police financial planning work there, Lou.
 
2012-02-18 01:04:53 PM

Mithiwithi: jjorsett: I bought a lifetime supply of Forever Stamps, so raise away. In fact, given the rate of increase in USPS rates and the continuing near-zero interest rates, buying FSs for later resale would probably be a high-return investment.

An investment that doesn't even keep up with inflation?


That's some fine police financial planning work there, Lou.


Ponzi, is that you?
 
2012-02-18 01:05:51 PM

Mithiwithi: jjorsett: I bought a lifetime supply of Forever Stamps, so raise away. In fact, given the rate of increase in USPS rates and the continuing near-zero interest rates, buying FSs for later resale would probably be a high-return investment.

An investment that doesn't even keep up with inflation?


That's some fine police financial planning work there, Lou.


Bah, teach me not to preview.
US Postage, inflation adjusted (new window)
 
2012-02-18 01:06:56 PM

GAT_00: namatad: AT LEAST someone is paying for pensions.

Really? It's necessary to put money aside to pay someone when they retire, when that person hasn't been born yet?


If you don't know what your finances will be then... yes.
Just like parents start putting away for kid's higher learning before they know if the kid will even go.
Prepare for the future...

..Unlike other financial institutions in this country.
 
2012-02-18 01:10:41 PM
Anyone who's gotten a paper letter addressed to you (junk mail doesn't count) in the last 5-10 years raise your hand. Anyone? Bueller?

Get rid of all the junk mailers and the USPS would probably cut their operating costs in half.
 
2012-02-18 01:11:17 PM
I'm not usually in favor of privatizing government services, but the post office has become little more than a government subsidized network for the distribution of unsolicited advertisement (and Netflix DVDs).

Wind it down through attrition over a decade or so, and let UPS start delivering first class mail. Seriously, even if the price rises to a couple of bucks to send a letter coast to coast, this wouldn't be a bad deal. Bonus: no more junk mail.
 
2012-02-18 01:11:26 PM

Mugato: What if you have a whole book of Christmas stamps for all the cards that you didn't get around to sending, will those still work next year? It's really the only thing I really use the mail for. Or I always intend to.


I think the USPS has been selling "forever" Christmas stamps for a few years now. If you look at the stamp and it says "forever" on it it will be good for 1 first class letter rate forever and you would not need to add another stamp.
 
2012-02-18 01:12:30 PM
www.costpriceof.com
 
2012-02-18 01:13:48 PM
I should cash out my 401k and put it all in forever stamps.
 
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