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(Time)   Foxconn employees get raise from "Hardly Anything" to "Hardly Anything + $36"   (techland.time.com) divider line 50
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2012-02-18 04:24:04 AM  
At Foxconn everything is on-site, right?
Dorms, stores, food... All within Foxcomville...

So, I'm curious if the prices of services and goods for the employees in Foxcomville are staying the same or going up as their raise does.

I've got a hunch... prices are going UP
 
2012-02-18 04:38:48 AM  
I suppose Apple deserves to be single out for being such patent trolls but it's interesting how Apple always gets linked to Foxconn when their customers include:

From wikipedia:

Foxconn manufactures products for companies including:
(country of headquarters in parentheses)
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[32]
Amazon.com (United States)[33]
Apple Inc. (United States)[34]
Cisco (United States)[35]
Dell (United States)[36]
Gateway (United States)[37]
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[38]
Intel (United States)[39]
Microsoft (United States)[40]
Motorola Mobility (United States)[36]
Nintendo (Japan)[41]
Nokia (Finland)[34]
Samsung (South Korea)[42]
Sony (Japan)[43]
Toshiba (Japan) [44]
Vizio (United States)[45]


So yeah, I've got several products on my desk right now that quite possibly been made by them even though I don't have anything Apple.
 
2012-02-18 04:53:02 AM  
If you've ever seen a Chinese pig farm, where the girls work like dogs until their father marries them off to a neighboring pig farmer, you may get an inkling why people flock to jobs like these, as bad as they are.
 
2012-02-18 05:06:09 AM  
That's $36 better than my company has done for its employees over the last three years. And they seriously haven't a clue why they can't keep anyone.
 
2012-02-18 05:07:20 AM  
Happy Hours

I suppose Apple deserves to be single out for being such patent trolls but it's interesting how Apple always gets linked to Foxconn when their customers include:

It's also interesting how Apple gets called out for being patent trolls when so many other companies are suing Apple and each other over patents.

The people spreading this propaganda rely on you parroting their garbage without thinking about it.
 
2012-02-18 05:22:43 AM  
How 'bout bringing some of those jobs back over this way?

pfffft.
 
2012-02-18 05:23:34 AM  

bingethinker: It's also interesting how Apple gets called out for being patent trolls when so many other companies are suing Apple and each other over patents.


True and maybe it's due to disproportionate media coverage but I get the impression Apple is sort of a super-patent-troll.

The people spreading this propaganda rely on you parroting their garbage without thinking about it.

Hey at least I'm pointing out that Foxconn is not an Apple subsidiary which is close to how they are often portrayed.
 
2012-02-18 05:32:46 AM  

VJStinger: How 'bout bringing some of those jobs back over this way?

pfffft.


No American is going to work 12+ hrs per day for $349.00/month.

/I heard that Alabama is hiring people to bring in the crop.
//Wonder if I'll like back-breaking field labor?
 
2012-02-18 05:39:38 AM  

newton: At Foxconn everything is on-site, right?
Dorms, stores, food... All within Foxcomville...



True enough, which is why you have to eye pay raises with suspicion if the worker is being paid in scrip or forced into a situation where their cash can't be put back into the community before its taken back by the employer.
If we're going to exploit the rules to make a profit at a cost to US workers, I would sleep better to know my money was at least improving life in a community somewhere else.

0Icky0: If you've ever seen a Chinese pig farm, where the girls work like dogs until their father marries them off to a neighboring pig farmer, you may get an inkling why people flock to jobs like these, as bad as they are.


Things may be bad there, but that doesn't mean we should let employers take advantage of the absence of organized labor or rules to further cheat someone out of their wages. Especially if that money is the key in improving everything in the areas surrounding that plant.
We can't expect everything to be made in the US but we should demand a fair days work earns a fair days pay wherever the work happens to be taking place. Especially for products intended to be sold here.

/40% of the world electronics business?
/Foxconn must be squeezing blood from a stone to be that efficient.
/We need some rednecks to go down there and explain to them what a union is.
 
2012-02-18 05:39:41 AM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: VJStinger: How 'bout bringing some of those jobs back over this way?

pfffft.

No American is going to work 12+ hrs per day for $349.00/month.

/I heard that Alabama is hiring people to bring in the crop.
//Wonder if I'll like back-breaking field labor?


yes I know, dear. that was sarcasm at the very end there. No person should ever have to endure the conditions that these people have to. It needs to stop.
 
2012-02-18 05:41:10 AM  
monetary lip service

new rule: as long as most the nation has neat little handheld devices built by human slaves, no one is allowed to call us a "Christian Nation"

whatever bullshiat you face, don't stop until things change
i am murphymurphy, you are the resistance
 
2012-02-18 06:24:57 AM  
Do they pay the workers in company script that is only good at the company store?
 
2012-02-18 06:38:56 AM  

way south: Things may be bad there, but that doesn't mean we should let employers take advantage of the absence of organized labor or rules to further cheat someone out of their wages.


Of course not. I'm just explaining why people would line up to work in these places. Life on the farm for a Chinese girl, with no hope of anything different for the rest of their life, is a daunting prospect - especially if they've caught glimpses of city life on TV.
 
2012-02-18 06:43:24 AM  

bingethinker: Happy Hours

I suppose Apple deserves to be single out for being such patent trolls but it's interesting how Apple always gets linked to Foxconn when their customers include:

It's also interesting how Apple gets called out for being patent trolls when so many other companies are suing Apple and each other over patents.

The people spreading this propaganda rely on you parroting their garbage without thinking about it, and are in the same vein as Fox News junkies.

 
2012-02-18 07:03:57 AM  

Happy Hours: bingethinker: It's also interesting how Apple gets called out for being patent trolls when so many other companies are suing Apple and each other over patents.

True and maybe it's due to disproportionate media coverage but I get the impression Apple is sort of a super-patent-troll.


Then you don't know what a patent troll is. A patent troll doesn't make anything, buys up patents or digs up patents it has had sitting in its vaults for years, and goes out and sues someone who is successfully making a product. A patent troll is someone that, instead of making a successful product themselves, instead suddenly pops out and tries to essentially extort money from someone that put in the time and effort to actually go out and design, make and market something successful.

The key feature of a patent troll is the patent troll is trying to make easy money off of someone else's efforts.

You can complain about the patents Apple tries enforce all you want, but it isn't a patent troll. It isn't a non-producing IP firm--it makes products, and the patents it sues to enforce are ones it is actively using in products it has out on the market. It doesn't sue because it wants a chunk of someone else's money--in all the negative coverage of Apple's patent suits there hasn't never been any documentation of Apple filing a patent suit for the purpose of obtaining a monetary settlement--Apple goes into a suit for the purpose of getting the defendant to stop using the disputed IP, not for cash.

Take the recent slide to unlock suits--what Apple wants is the feature removed, and has shown no interest at all in licensing the feature for cash or for settling the patent suit for cash and future licensing. You can argue about whether slide to unlock is something that should be patentable, but you can't argue that Apple is patent troll. And this has consistently been Apple's position, going all the way back to copyright suits over the Apple II ROM and the Mac/Windows suit. It didn't sue Franklin seeking to force Franklin to pay licensing money for the Apple II ROM, it sued to get Franklin to stop using the ROM. Same with the Mac/Windows suit it lost--it wasn't suing for a licensing fee from Microsoft, it was suing to force changes to the software.
 
2012-02-18 07:06:08 AM  

bingethinker: The people spreading this propaganda rely on you parroting their garbage without thinking about it.


I think it's more to do with the way Apple fans hold their brand of choice as irreproachable. PC owners instinctively know the companies behind their products are a bunch of dickholes and you'll be hard pressed to find many people willing to defend Microsoft on all fronts.
=Smidge=
 
2012-02-18 07:10:29 AM  

newton: So, I'm curious if the prices of services and goods for the employees in Foxcomville are staying the same or going up as their raise does.


RDixon: Do they pay the workers in company script that is only good at the company store?


I don't know about Foxconn in particular, but pretty much all the Taiwanese/Korean/Chinese manufacturing factories I know of in that region supply room and board for free. The assumption is that the base salary is pretty much all take-home. Workers aren't generally sealed off from the rest of the world either, unless it's by geography.

The thing is, although RMB 1800 is a low salary if you are a native of one of the big coastal cities, it is still a pretty decent sum for workers from inland that send all their money back to families in rural areas. Inflation is really starting to bite into basic food costs though, so it will be interesting to check back on Foxconn in a few years and see what they're offering then.
 
2012-02-18 07:36:07 AM  

wozzeck: Apple goes into a suit for the purpose of getting the defendant to stop using the disputed IP, not for cash.


They're pretty much the same thing. Apple doesn't want any product on the market evenly remotely similar to theirs so consumers have to purchase Apple products. In the end it's all about money, Apple is just under the impression that they stand to earn more customers by banning the competitions products.

I feel sorry for consumers in Germany, what with the Galaxy S II being so similar to the iPhone it had to be banned... Really? I would never mistake a Samsung device for an Apple device, then again I'm not an idiot.
 
2012-02-18 08:07:30 AM  

wozzeck: ...


Whilst that was very eloquently put, the number of dribling retards you are about to get derping at you and throwing insults will make you understand exactly why, despite being able to make points in equally understandable terms, at some point I give up and simply insinuate they're morans and move on.
 
2012-02-18 08:49:38 AM  
How much does a Farkmod make?
 
2012-02-18 08:57:24 AM  

MurphyMurphy: new rule: as long as most the nation has neat little handheld devices built by human slaves, no one is allowed to call us a "Christian Nation"


Only so long as you aren't allowed to call yourself intelligent.

To anyone that has deluded themselves into thinking that these devices are built in factories lined with workers with nothing more than a soldering iron and a pile of resistors in their lap it's probably time to wake up. The vast majority of the production of something like an iPad is performed by high tech machinery that's backed by an engineering staff that must be staggeringly well-skilled. There will always be a few steps involved that are infeasible to perform by machine --and thus performed by a "junior level employee" -- but those steps are going to be quite limited.

It's not that we can't bring work like this to the United States because we pay too much but rather that we now lack the workforce with the technical skill to accomplish it.
 
2012-02-18 09:05:40 AM  

Smidge204: bingethinker: The people spreading this propaganda rely on you parroting their garbage without thinking about it.

I think it's more to do with the way Apple fans hold their brand of choice as irreproachable. PC owners instinctively know the companies behind their products are a bunch of dickholes and you'll be hard pressed to find many people willing to defend Microsoft on all fronts.
=Smidge=


The only person I've seen that matches your description is 1macgeek, a troll account.
 
2012-02-18 09:45:48 AM  
It may be a pittance, but it's a start.

To all those who decried the singling out of apple over this, at least it got something done. And you got to feel self righteous about something(which I can tell you thoroughly enjoy). I thoroughly agree that they shouldn't have been singled out, but because of their corporate image, they actually leveraged some pressure.

To whoever said Apple is no more guilty than any other company in the patent wars, stfu and pay attention. Yeah they are getting sued back, but it's obvious they started it. Their attitude is that because they are the first to create a popular touchscreen smartphone that they should be the only ones to have one. They are trying to sue android manufacturers into oblivion. If they didn't have this indignant and frankly monopolistic attitude, there would be no "great patent wars".

There may be legitimate infringements, but it basically boils down to Apple trying to be the only manufacturer of touchscreen smartphones with icons and apps. I cannot stress enough how bad it would be if they get their way. Especially if mobile/tablet devices do eventually replace PCs, developers would be looking at being forced to give 1/3 of their labor to Apple if they want to write a native app. Android isn't tremendously better in that regard, but there are alternate forms of distribution.
 
2012-02-18 10:42:20 AM  
Imagine if you could tip the Chinese worker when you bought your iThing. Seriously. Pay $500 for the ipad and the cashier says, would you like to donate directly to the specific worker? And you said sure, I've heard it's tough in China, put five bucks on top of it. And you never notice any change in your life, but that worker just bought a year of kidney medication.
 
2012-02-18 10:47:48 AM  

rthanu: To all those who decried the singling out of apple over this, at least it got something done. And you got to feel self righteous about something(which I can tell you thoroughly enjoy). I thoroughly agree that they shouldn't have been singled out, but because of their corporate image, they actually leveraged some pressure.


I put most people into three camps:

1) long time labor advocates that are using the popularity of Apple to improve labor for all. I have no problem with this. More power to you.
2) People who have no farking clue where their shiat comes from and just realizing that 16 year olds work 80 hours a week to make it. To these people "I say welcome to the party and were the fark did you think your tennis shoes came from you idiot?"
3) People who just hate Apple because Steve Jobs jumped out of their bedroom closet in a clown costume as a child and fark'd them. Or something. Just irrational hate and there is no debating them.

To whoever said Apple is no more guilty than any other company in the patent wars, stfu and pay attention. Yeah they are getting sued back, but it's obvious they started it. Their attitude is that because they are the first to create a popular touchscreen smartphone that they should be the only ones to have one. They are trying to sue android manufacturers into oblivion. If they didn't have this indignant and frankly monopolistic attitude, there would be no "great patent wars".

Meh. You are vastly over simplifying the lawsuits - Apple didn't create the touchscreen and that's not what they are suing over. But whatever. I used to work in the medical device industry. Suing everyone is the cost of doing business. None of these devices are going away but there will be a lot of money exchanging hands at some point.
 
2012-02-18 11:26:22 AM  

Happy Hours: I suppose Apple deserves to be single out for being such patent trolls but it's interesting how Apple always gets linked to Foxconn when their customers include:

From wikipedia:

Foxconn manufactures products for companies including:
(country of headquarters in parentheses)
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[32]
Amazon.com (United States)[33]
Apple Inc. (United States)[34]
Cisco (United States)[35]
Dell (United States)[36]
Gateway (United States)[37]
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[38]
Intel (United States)[39]
Microsoft (United States)[40]
Motorola Mobility (United States)[36]
Nintendo (Japan)[41]
Nokia (Finland)[34]
Samsung (South Korea)[42]
Sony (Japan)[43]
Toshiba (Japan) [44]
Vizio (United States)[45]

So yeah, I've got several products on my desk right now that quite possibly been made by them even though I don't have anything Apple.


Apple is the "think different" company who was supposed to be above all of this. Not too many years ago, their desktops were made in the US. Like during the Bush 43 administration.
 
2012-02-18 11:28:51 AM  

newton: At Foxconn everything is on-site, right?
Dorms, stores, food... All within Foxcomville...

So, I'm curious if the prices of services and goods for the employees in Foxcomville are staying the same or going up as their raise does.

I've got a hunch... prices are going UP


Ah, the ole minimum wage argument.

Clever.

/hows that working out for you?
 
2012-02-18 11:29:51 AM  

bingethinker: It's also interesting how Apple gets called out for being patent trolls when so many other companies are suing Apple and each other over patents.


i44.tinypic.com

Apple is called out because they lead the way, they do it the most, yet they claim to be "different."

If they can be singled out for some "innovation" that everyone else does, why not the other side of the coin?
 
2012-02-18 11:36:22 AM  

wozzeck: in all the negative coverage of Apple's patent suits there hasn't never been any documentation of Apple filing a patent suit for the purpose of obtaining a monetary settlement--Apple goes into a suit for the purpose of getting the defendant to stop using the disputed IP, not for cash.


?
 
2012-02-18 12:07:29 PM  
Wait a minute. Foxconn makes an iPhone 4G?
 
2012-02-18 12:15:29 PM  

Marine1: Apple is the "think different" company who was supposed to be above all of this. Not too many years ago, their desktops were made in the US. Like during the Bush 43 administration.



One of the explanations I read was that asian manufacturers like Foxconn were better able to respond to Jobs' whims. If he suddenly decided the display on the phone should be a different material they could have the production line reconfigured and churning out product at capacity within 24 hours. If he wanted the product to launch worldwide in a week they'd have the line working at overdrive with workers pulling 16 hour shifts seven days a week. shiat like that. Going with them was the best way for Steve to get whatever he wanted whenever he wanted no matter how ridiculous the timeframe he came up with.
 
2012-02-18 02:24:13 PM  
Yankees Team Gynecologist

bingethinker: It's also interesting how Apple gets called out for being patent trolls when so many other companies are suing Apple and each other over patents.

::tired old graphic I haven't seen on a Mac since OS 10.4::

Apple is called out because they lead the way, they do it the most, yet they claim to be "different."

If they can be singled out for some "innovation" that everyone else does, why not the other side of the coin?


Well, that's a Catch-22 isn't it? If they have more innovations, they have more patents to defend, so they will be starting more lawsuits. And idiots will call them "patent trolls" for exercising their rights to those patents.
 
2012-02-18 02:36:30 PM  

bingethinker: ::tired old graphic I haven't seen on a Mac since OS 10.4::


So? I personally haven't seen a BSOD on any NT kernel, ever. But I'm not dumb enough to draw generalizations from that anecdotal experience.

bingethinker: Well, that's a Catch-22 isn't it? If they have more innovations, they have more patents to defend, so they will be starting more lawsuits. And idiots will call them "patent trolls" for exercising their rights to those patents.


"Innovation" was in quotes for a reason.
 
2012-02-18 02:47:41 PM  
Yankees Team Gynecologist

bingethinker: ::tired old graphic I haven't seen on a Mac since OS 10.4::

So? I personally haven't seen a BSOD on any NT kernel, ever. But I'm not dumb enough to draw generalizations from that anecdotal experience.

But you are dumb enough to keep posting that graphic.

bingethinker: Well, that's a Catch-22 isn't it? If they have more innovations, they have more patents to defend, so they will be starting more lawsuits. And idiots will call them "patent trolls" for exercising their rights to those patents.

"Innovation" was in quotes for a reason.


I guess we'll have to wait for the results of all these patent cases to settle that. Reality has a way of crushing the anti-Apple propaganda you parrot.
 
2012-02-18 02:52:48 PM  

Meh. Pretty much a moot point when Foxconn goes from this

www.teleread.com


to this

2.bp.blogspot.com


after their 1,000,000+ robots are in place, according to plan.
 
2012-02-18 02:55:06 PM  

bingethinker: But you are dumb enough to keep posting that graphic.


Why? It obviously still works just fine.

bingethinker: I guess we'll have to wait for the results of all these patent cases to settle that. Reality has a way of crushing the anti-Apple propaganda you parrot.


No, you still don't get it. "Innovation" was in quotes because it wasn't referring to actual innovations at all.
 
2012-02-18 04:18:22 PM  

Happy Hours: I suppose Apple deserves to be single out for being such patent trolls but it's interesting how Apple always gets linked to Foxconn when their customers include:

From wikipedia:

Foxconn manufactures products for companies including:
(country of headquarters in parentheses)
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[32]
Amazon.com (United States)[33]
Apple Inc. (United States)[34]
Cisco (United States)[35]
Dell (United States)[36]
Gateway (United States)[37]
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[38]
Intel (United States)[39]
Microsoft (United States)[40]
Motorola Mobility (United States)[36]
Nintendo (Japan)[41]
Nokia (Finland)[34]
Samsung (South Korea)[42]
Sony (Japan)[43]
Toshiba (Japan) [44]
Vizio (United States)[45]

So yeah, I've got several products on my desk right now that quite possibly been made by them even though I don't have anything Apple.


That's mainly because they built their current profitable devices using their labor, without all that slave labor that keeps apples costs low they could not spend on R&D. Steve Jobs line about saying the us doesn't have enough skilled workers is insane since a lot of the people working there are uneducated farm people.

I also love how they talk about the raises but I didn't see a mention if foxcon's $2billion dollars in profits last year.
 
2012-02-18 05:10:53 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Christian


Actually, slavery is allowed in the bible.

Look it up in the Leviticus
 
2012-02-18 05:41:14 PM  

JK47: Marine1: Apple is the "think different" company who was supposed to be above all of this. Not too many years ago, their desktops were made in the US. Like during the Bush 43 administration.


One of the explanations I read was that asian manufacturers like Foxconn were better able to respond to Jobs' whims. If he suddenly decided the display on the phone should be a different material they could have the production line reconfigured and churning out product at capacity within 24 hours. If he wanted the product to launch worldwide in a week they'd have the line working at overdrive with workers pulling 16 hour shifts seven days a week. shiat like that. Going with them was the best way for Steve to get whatever he wanted whenever he wanted no matter how ridiculous the timeframe he came up with.


See, that's why I think Jobs was an absolutely horrible human being. With Gates and Ballmer... there's no pretentious higher calling. Microsoft is there to make a profit and they've done so by illicit means in the past. They've gotten a little better here of late, and Ballmer (while not the "innovator" that Jobs was) has done a pretty decent job of keeping the company's nose clean. Gates has at least tried to redeem himself with some large-scale humanitarian work. Jobs, on the other hand, was this damned hippie acting like his products were the best way to digital enlightenment, working on a double standard in nearly every part of the industry he had a foothold in. He had no problem with taking things from Xerox PARC to make the Mac happen, but made it his dying farking wish to see Android labeled as a "stolen product" and banned from sale. Since then, Apple has been busy suing everyone who makes a product with Android, to the detriment of innovation and the choice of consumers everywhere.

Jobs would talk about how PCs weren't easy to use, then release a computer (the iMac) that was, in my opinion, the least-serviceable computer of all time. When I was in Mizzou's SAS IT department, we'd get the managers buying Macs for the student center at double the cost of comparable Windows machines, and to this day, over a year later, those Macs won't stay on the domain or hook up to the network printers. As a result, the department (which I no longer work for) has $3,000 worth of aluminum and glass that won't hook up to the area printers. They were a pain in the ass to get open for service, too... we couldn't get the hard drives out of the older Macs to wipe them before putting the old machines in surplus - a common security measure. OS X is a gloriously simple OS to use for common tasks. It's too bad it's been forced inside computers that just can't be justified in an enterprise setting. It's almost too simple. I think it doesn't have to be one way or the other... Windows 7 proved that you can have some real up-front options for the power user/ administrator, but common sense in the UI as well.

With these reports of labor problems at Foxconn, Jobs' deception falls flat. He was this guy who dropped acid to be creative; who worked to make sure his spirit was as free as could be. Now we see that he had absolutely no problems waking up thousands of Chinese workers at midnight to make a design change in his phone, all the while robbing them of the things he had been given to be self-actualized. The workers were crammed into dorms, working insane shifts, making far less than their Western/ democratic Asian counterparts, and dying in accidents that never had to happen. While he was meditating on Far-Eastern teachings, people in the Far East were in the exact opposite state of mind; acting as drones to satisfy his desires.

I don't like Apple, as you can probably ascertain from this post. But the reason I don't like that company is because it is based on the id of this man who cheated so many people to get his way. He had no respect for anyone but himself, and never did anything to try and redeem himself for his actions. At least Gates has made an honest effort to make things right. Apple's corporate reputation is sugar coated enough to kill a diabetic bull elephant in under an hour. We've seen some particularly ugly things about Apple come out in the last 18 or so months, and I'm perfectly willing to give them a second chance if they stop working to fulfill the dreams of a man who wanted a world where only his own happiness and self-preservation were a goal. There's still good in them, but it's not showing.

/rant
 
2012-02-18 05:49:57 PM  

bingethinker: It's also interesting how Apple gets called out for being patent trolls when so many other companies are suing Apple and each other over patents.


Yeah. Remember when Google labeled their anti-Apple Sue-everyone-allthetime-for-having-a-square-shape strategy as Thermonuclear War?
 
2012-02-18 05:55:26 PM  

Marine1: . Now we see that he had absolutely no problems waking up thousands of Chinese workers at midnight to make a design change in his phone, all the while robbing them of the things he had been given to be self-actualized. The workers were crammed into dorms, working insane shifts, making far less than their Western/ democratic Asian counterparts, and dying in accidents that never had to happen. While he was meditating on Far-Eastern teachings, people in the Far East were in the exact opposite state of mind; acting as drones to satisfy his desires.


So "we see" that he's the same as every single electronics company leader, as evidenced by the second post? Shocker.
 
2012-02-18 06:09:01 PM  

tomcatadam: Marine1: . Now we see that he had absolutely no problems waking up thousands of Chinese workers at midnight to make a design change in his phone, all the while robbing them of the things he had been given to be self-actualized. The workers were crammed into dorms, working insane shifts, making far less than their Western/ democratic Asian counterparts, and dying in accidents that never had to happen. While he was meditating on Far-Eastern teachings, people in the Far East were in the exact opposite state of mind; acting as drones to satisfy his desires.

So "we see" that he's the same as every single electronics company leader, as evidenced by the second post? Shocker.


Yup, but he pretended not to be. That is why people hate him. He did nothing to try and redeem himself and his company, despite his company posting record profits.
 
2012-02-18 07:50:25 PM  
Does that mean they can take down the suicide nets?

images.dailytech.com
 
2012-02-18 08:20:17 PM  

Marine1: Apple is the "think different" company who was supposed to be above all of this.


The fundies can't grasp the irony of their "status quo" defense.
 
2012-02-18 09:39:01 PM  
now how many iPhones do you have to make to buy one yourself?
 
2012-02-18 10:35:01 PM  

American Decency Association: now how many iPhones do you have to make to buy one yourself?


Probably less than the number of supercomputers I had to help make at Cray Research before I could buy one. What's your point?
 
2012-02-18 10:41:30 PM  

fusillade762: Does that mean they can take down the suicide nets?

[images.dailytech.com image 300x400]


Yes -- coffins now became semi-affordable!
 
2012-02-18 11:49:08 PM  

fusillade762: Does that mean they can take down the suicide nets?

[images.dailytech.com image 300x400]


Well as part of the raise package they now have to produce 10,000 iphones an hour.......
 
2012-02-19 01:18:45 AM  

GameSprocket: American Decency Association: now how many iPhones do you have to make to buy one yourself?

Probably less than the number of supercomputers I had to help make at Cray Research before I could buy one. What's your point?


im so impressed that you worked on cray computers you disingenuous d-bag
 
2012-02-19 10:16:22 AM  
link

According to this, workers suicided to protest working conditions, not because of some life insurance policy.

Also, this part was really disturbing:
Consider the fate that befell workers at a factory in Chengdu, China, that makes products for Apple. In May, independent investigators issued a report documenting grave dangers to workers at the facility. They warned the factory was failing to control the profusion of dust produced by the manufacture of aluminum cases for the Ipad 2. When a factory is suffused with aluminum dust, there is a high risk of explosion. Apple ignored the report and refused to meet with the authors, the investigators said. It did nothing to address the danger.

Two weeks later, the factory exploded, killing four workers and injuring 18. In the wake of the explosion, Apple said its suppliers took measures to control aluminum dust. But despite this, in December 2011, another explosion, at an Apple supplier factory in Shanghai, injured 61 workers.

Grievous labor rights problems at Apple's supplier factories have been known for years, including the spate of worker suicides in 2010 at the giant plant in Shenzhen, China, known as "Ipod City." At this factory -- owned, like the Chengdu plant, by Apple's biggest supplier, Foxconn -- more than a dozen workers took their own lives by throwing themselves from the roof of the factory's overcrowded dormitories, in apparent protest of the brutal treatment facing workers at the facility. (Foxconn reportedly responded by putting up nets outside the dorms and making workers sign pledges not to kill themselves.)
 
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