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(Talking Points Memo)   FBI foils a plot by a man to bomb U.S. capitol. Arrested him as he was on the way to the building, with a vest full of what he thought were explosives   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 296
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2012-02-17 07:14:22 PM  
Apparently everyone in this thread read different articles than I did. Because the stupid one linked, and the one it linked to, gave zero impression that this was any sort of "entrapment" or setup. Why is everyone so hell bent on not believing that some people actually are trying to commit terrorist acts?

I don't get it. Sounds like a win to me. Guy wanted to blow shiat up, tried to get a bomb, got the feds instead, who set him up. Unless there are some other articles I'm missing.
 
2012-02-17 07:15:18 PM  
Do our "intelligence" agencies do anything besides false flags?
 
2012-02-17 07:21:40 PM  

PsiChi: Do our "intelligence" agencies do anything besides false flags?


Coups. Lots of those.

Do you live in a third world country that has resources ? There's a good chance you'll get to see one.
 
2012-02-17 07:24:22 PM  
From a CNN article:

"A second law enforcement official said El Khalifi is not connected to a terrorist organization and was acting alone."

Alone, except for the extensive amount of assistance he had from the FBI to proceed with the plot.

/false flag is false
 
2012-02-17 07:25:59 PM  

kbronsito: Mark Ratner: kbronsito: Do not pass Go. Do not collect 40 virgins.

It's 72 virgins, not 40. You can't expect them to blow themselves up for a measly 40 virgins or even 60 for that matter, but 72 is just about as good as it gets.

/most golf courses are par 72
//coincidence?

It is 72!. I wrote a post on some other thread earlier with the number 40. I guess my mind wasn't all there on this post.


40 is a large number of rapes. Were you advocating 40 rapes in another thread? Rape rape? I think 40 is the minimum.
 
2012-02-17 07:28:23 PM  

CruJones: Apparently everyone in this thread read different articles than I did. Because the stupid one linked, and the one it linked to, gave zero impression that this was any sort of "entrapment" or setup. Why is everyone so hell bent on not believing that some people actually are trying to commit terrorist acts?

I don't get it. Sounds like a win to me. Guy wanted to blow shiat up, tried to get a bomb, got the feds instead, who set him up. Unless there are some other articles I'm missing.

PsiChi 2012-02-17 07:15:18 PM

Do our "intelligence" agencies do anything besides false flags?



I know.
if it was *sovereign citizen* who was arrested psichi wouldn't be claiming *false flag* and *entrapment*. she'd be going on about what assholes white people often are. but here the suspect falls neatly into oppressed basket, so she defends him whatever the evidence indicates at this point.
there isn't really any analysis going on. no beta waves. just reflex action.
 
2012-02-17 07:30:12 PM  

itazurakko: TheOmni: Is this another of those "FBI foils their own plot" things?

Exactly my question too.

Step 1: Troll some incompetent person into doing what they thought was a terror plot
Step 2: By giving them information they'd never come up with on their own, so they get further along than they ever would have otherwise
Step 3: Make a big show of stopping the criminal you set up
Step 4: Profit? Hey, at least your numbers are good.


They profit, in my opinion, because they continue to hoodwink the American public into believing there is an ongoing "terrist threat." Without that, we wouldn't let them spend billions of our tax dollars on ridiculous shiat like the TSA, and, I don't know, wars, "occupations," etc. I'm sure you can think of other things that are allowed in the name of staving off this bogus "terrorist threat."
 
2012-02-17 07:30:47 PM  

Weaver95: THIS is a domestic terrorist. what the FBI finds are not even in the same class as Heemeyer was.


Uh. That guy's white. White people can't be terrorists. Duh.

Also, I wish more Wikipedia articles featured "Fate of the Bulldozer" as a subheader.
 
2012-02-17 07:31:18 PM  

Bob16: Do you live in a third world country that has resources ? There's a good chance you'll get to see one.


Ya know I was thinking today how Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim nation, but they seem to avoid being consistently accused by our government of terrorist activity. Wonder why.
 
2012-02-17 07:33:35 PM  
Why are we building elaborate Truman Show scenarios for homeless losers rather than pursuing REAL terrorists? Cause I keep hearing that they're out there and that they hate America.
 
2012-02-17 07:36:07 PM  

olddeegee: It's like a cop seeing someone shoplifting a candy bar, but convincing him to take a TV or two so they can get him for a felony.


Candy is gateway swag, hence the War on Candy.
 
2012-02-17 07:36:53 PM  

Magorn: GAT_00: How is it not entrapment if you give him the ability to commit the crime?

Quick answer? to plead entrapment you need to affirmatively show that you weren't inclined to commit the crime anyway. In a lot of these cases they are right on the line which is why they quietly get plead out after the splashy arrest


[citation needed]
 
2012-02-17 07:43:58 PM  
img688.imageshack.us

You do know he is retarded, yes?
 
2012-02-17 07:46:46 PM  
I'm told his vest was made from real gorilla chest.
 
2012-02-17 07:49:59 PM  
There are no master criminals. When are these wannabe-terrorist losers going to learn that the real al-qaeda isn't going to just take anyone off the street who wants to become a martyr and send them on their way with a bomb vest? They actually train their people. So maybe the people 'recruiting" them are really FBI? I mean, if it were that easy wouldn't we have been able to infiltrate al-Qaeda by now?
 
2012-02-17 07:50:19 PM  

UnspokenVoice: You do know he is retarded, yes?


I did. Weaver and Hobo too, and a few of the other usual suspects are missing. Still, the number was kinda surprising.
 
2012-02-17 07:54:58 PM  

CruJones: Apparently everyone in this thread read different articles than I did. Because the stupid one linked, and the one it linked to, gave zero impression that this was any sort of "entrapment" or setup. Why is everyone so hell bent on not believing that some people actually are trying to commit terrorist acts?


It's not what you read, it's how you read it and what you bring with you when you read it that matters, duh. Keep up.
 
2012-02-17 07:56:19 PM  
Yes, an FBI agent comes up and says "Can I help with that?" anyone who does not say no to that question is a legitimate threat. Maybe not as legit or organized as Al Quaeda cells and the like, but someone who really wanted to help them could just as easily be the one asking if they want help. I agree that this person was not some kind of uber-threat mastermind, but anyone who doesn't view his arrest as doing more good than harm is fooling themselves.
 
2012-02-17 08:00:34 PM  
As much I am wary of these types of "stings", supposing we know what happened here (I think we have a good enough idea from the lack of information and the headline) the guy DID end up walking into the building with his fake explosives.
I know people complain about bait cars but at the same time what would YOU do if you saw a car unlocked with the keys in the ignition? Would you go in the car? Would you take it for a ride? Only idiots get caught by this type of thing.
Now who knows, maybe the FBI applied some serious pressure to get this guy to do it but unless they held a gun to his head he was still open to being manipulated into attempting something like this.
At any rate time will reveal more about this case.
 
2012-02-17 08:01:57 PM  

TheOmni: Is this another of those "FBI foils their own plot" things?


I don't think people who can figure that out are the target audience.

It would be funny if the guy they planned to arrest turned out to be an agent from another branch of government who thought the FBI agents were real terrorists and they accidentally arrested each other. I don't supposed they'd put out a press release when that happens.
 
2012-02-17 08:03:30 PM  

Mordis: I picture some passive-aggressive idiot typing his "manifesto"in MS Word as Clippy pops up
"Looks like you wants to overthrow the government, would you like me to help?"


lh3.googleusercontent.com

/I don't know why
 
2012-02-17 08:06:09 PM  
Can you imagine how disappointed he must be? He's spent months or years dreaming about this day, that he would be a martyr and go to heaven with his 72 virgins waiting for him. Instead, it's been all an FBI sting and he's sitting in jail.

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2012-02-17 08:06:22 PM  

Nem Wan: TheOmni: Is this another of those "FBI foils their own plot" things?

I don't think people who can figure that out are the target audience.

It would be funny if the guy they planned to arrest turned out to be an agent from another branch of government who thought the FBI agents were real terrorists and they accidentally arrested each other. I don't supposed they'd put out a press release when that happens.



Movie plot.
 
2012-02-17 08:07:16 PM  

BigJake: I did.


Good, good. I keep the image handy even though I don't make it here much lately. It comes in handy. He's too much of a coward to return to threads with that posted in it.
 
2012-02-17 08:09:55 PM  

TheOmni: Is this another of those "FBI foils their own plot" things?

 
2012-02-17 08:10:04 PM  
Seriously? In a country where guns are legally available, and illegal guns are easy to get, you are worried about bombs? This is the reason I don't buy into the terrorist threat: it would be so farking easy for a terrorist to kill people and inspire terror. Remember the beltway sniper? Remember the spree killings that occur in America every couple of months?

If there were so many suicidal warriors intent on causing harm in America, they would be doing it already. It would be so easy for them. And the fact that people aren't dying every day proves that there isn't a major threat. Explosives, guns, all kinds of shiat for killing people are available in the US. And they aren't being used. In fact, they haven't been used by the scary Muslims in over a decade.

So WTF is this threat? As far as I can tell, the real threat comes from angry white males (with the one angry Asian male) every couple of months when they go on a killing spree. They must have killed far more Americans since 9/11 than 'terrorists' have in America.
 
2012-02-17 08:14:37 PM  

Medic Zero: "what he thought were explosives"?

Lemme guess, we paid the FBI to encourage someone to make a bomb and sell them the materials again?

/ facepalm
// feel safer already
/// no DNRTFA


They were actually sausage links.
 
2012-02-17 08:16:18 PM  

Weaver95: THIS is a domestic terrorist. what the FBI finds are not even in the same class as Heemeyer was.


Wow. This was a gifted fellow. He could have easily taken his skills and moved elsewhere and been successful. Sometimes, you gotta accept you lost the game. In chess, in poker and in law. "You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run." - Kenny Rogers, "The Gambler"

From the link:
"God built me for this job", Heemeyer said in the first recording. He also said it was God's plan that he not be married or have a family so that he could be in a position to carry out such an attack. "I think God will bless me to get the machine done, to drive it, to do the stuff that I have to do", he said. "God blessed me in advance for the task that I am about to undertake. It is my duty. God has asked me to do this. It's a cross that I am going to carry and I'm carrying it in God's name."

People who claim to do God's will frequently encounter a remarkable coincidence in that it coincides with their own.
 
2012-02-17 08:25:55 PM  

Pro Zack: and it's true. the folks selling the guns were very careful to make sure their asses were covered. it's the idiots who dreamed up the brilliant 'fast and furious' plan who will (hopefully) go to jail.


What law did they break exactly? Stings are now illegal?

If so those under the Bush admin broke the law also.
 
2012-02-17 08:32:20 PM  

RedEmily: Was it a sweater vest/ Maybe it was Rick Sanitorium.


Maybe it was Jim Tressel?
 
2012-02-17 08:34:07 PM  
I'm guessing he's from that small, obscure group of inept terrorists, al-Oser.
 
2012-02-17 08:34:15 PM  
another nut human eginered to.[*carrier lost*]
 
2012-02-17 08:34:29 PM  

TheOmni: Is this another of those "FBI foils their own plot" things?


I was actually surprised to RTFA and see it was a non-citizen at this point, to be perfectly honest. I half expected to see OWS and the Tea Party had decided they hated Congresscritters more than one another. ;)
 
2012-02-17 08:39:41 PM  

Aigoo: TheOmni: Is this another of those "FBI foils their own plot" things?

I was actually surprised to RTFA and see it was a non-citizen at this point, to be perfectly honest. I half expected to see OWS and the Tea Party had decided they hated Congresscritters more than one another. ;)


You are projecting again, and need to stop. It's not mentally healthy to do that.
 
2012-02-17 08:46:47 PM  
A few days ago a pickup truck, with paratrooper plates from Florida, reportedly full of home-made bombs was found parked outside the capitol building in Topeka, KS.

The cops released the guy and now they're saying it was just fireworks.

I'm sure this is just one big coincidence.

Link (new window)
 
2012-02-17 08:48:04 PM  

Aigoo: TheOmni: Is this another of those "FBI foils their own plot" things?

I was actually surprised to RTFA and see it was a non-citizen at this point, to be perfectly honest. I half expected to see OWS and the Tea Party had decided they hated Congresscritters more than one another. ;)


Had this guy been named Jimbob Redneckerson and he had a Tea Party affiliation, I imagine the tone of this thread would be a bit different.
 
2012-02-17 08:48:55 PM  
I'm betting it was this guy
cf.mp-cdn.net
 
2012-02-17 08:54:51 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Had this guy been named Jimbob Redneckerson and he had a Tea Party affiliation, I imagine the tone of this thread would be a bit different.


Which is a pretty clear reflection of how the general public thinks more highly of shifty arabs on expired travel visas than they do of Republicans...
 
2012-02-17 09:05:11 PM  

Dr.Zom: A few days ago a pickup truck, with paratrooper plates from Florida, reportedly full of home-made bombs was found parked outside the capitol building in Topeka, KS.

The cops released the guy and now they're saying it was just fireworks.

I'm sure this is just one big coincidence.

Link (new window)



Heh!

Almost sounds like the Kansas State cops nearly blew another "FBI sting".
 
2012-02-17 09:06:44 PM  
We have to run a few articles like this in the media every once in awhile to show Americans how the FBI and other agencies are really doing their job. I don't want to sound too "Murica' fark yeah!" but there are some foiled plots that we will never hear about in our lifetime and that's because the government doesn't want widespread panic. I give my most respect for the FBI.

I've always wanted to grow a big beard and learn to speak Farsi because I look a bit Arab. Then I'd infiltrate terrorist groups and help the FBI with taking down idiots like this guy. It's been my dream since college. The danger and excitement would be awesome, and I'd be doing something for the greater good. Unfortunately I probably wouldn't make the cut.
 
2012-02-17 09:10:30 PM  

TheOmni: Is this another of those "FBI foils their own plot" things?


+1.

Seems like the only "terrorists" the FBI can catch are gullible nitwits they've led through plots that they themselves scripted.
 
2012-02-17 09:16:47 PM  

eeeleeet: because the government doesn't want widespread panic


I give respect to the FBI too
but .... REALLY ? for real ?

eeeleeet: Unfortunately I probably wouldn't make the cut


Some basic investigative skills might be required
 
2012-02-17 09:20:15 PM  
Terrorism = this generation's Red Menace.
 
2012-02-17 09:23:32 PM  

eeeleeet: We have to run a few articles like this in the media every once in awhile to show Americans how the FBI and other agencies are really doing their job



Here's a good way to judge whether or not a given operation is an example of the FBI 'doing their job':

If the result would have been the same with or without the operation (no bombing occurs) then it is NOT a case of the FBI doing their job.
 
2012-02-17 09:26:39 PM  

Weaver95: THIS is a domestic terrorist. what the FBI finds are not even in the same class as Heemeyer was.


I was always disappointed that he got stuck high centered on the retaining wall of the hardware store basement. It would have been much cooler if the governor had to make good on having the National Guard take him out with a hellfire.
 
2012-02-17 09:31:23 PM  

TheOmni: Is this another of those "FBI foils their own plot" things?


THIS.

FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST, THIS.

/wake the fark up, people.
 
2012-02-17 09:51:42 PM  

Sherman Potter: TheOmni: Is this another of those "FBI foils their own plot" things?

THIS.

FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST, THIS.

/wake the fark up, people.


Ever since that guy was denied to ability to get to a job and the "terrorists" (FBI) paid his bills when he was desperate, we lost the ability to dismiss anyone who claims, "The government is after me, and trying to control my life and make me blow people up!" as schizophrenic.

That's how farked up things have gotten.
 
2012-02-17 09:51:59 PM  

cman: ALAHU AKBAR!!!!!

*Click* *click* *click*

ALAHU DAMN IT!


What would have been funny as fark is if they rigged that thing to shoot out confetti.
 
2012-02-17 09:57:43 PM  

glassbottomboatcaptain: Which is a pretty clear reflection of how the general public thinks more highly of shifty arabs on expired travel visas than they do of Republicans...


One group represents a clear and present danger to our freedom, our Constitution, and our way of life.

The other group are a bunch of people from 3rd world shiatholes who would really just like to have decent job.
 
2012-02-17 10:02:24 PM  

clyph: glassbottomboatcaptain: Which is a pretty clear reflection of how the general public thinks more highly of shifty arabs on expired travel visas than they do of Republicans...

One group represents a clear and present danger to our freedom, our Constitution, and our way of life.

The other group are a bunch of people from 3rd world shiatholes who would really just like to have decent job.


Go create some jobs for them, sparky.

/create one for me while you're at it
 
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