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2012-02-17 12:29:09 PM
Congress does something

OH shiat! Stop them before they do something again!
 
2012-02-17 12:32:15 PM
Yeah, they put another nail in the GOP coffin set to be buried in November.
 
2012-02-17 12:35:02 PM
Whoa... the Law of Averages must have kicked in
 
2012-02-17 12:39:13 PM
i45.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-17 12:40:22 PM
I thought this was going to be an article about a congressional field trip to the National Zoo. Color me surprised.
 
2012-02-17 12:49:07 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I thought this was going to be an article about a congressional field trip to the National Zoo. Color me surprised.


They had to cancel that

/the monkeys refused to tolerate the congressional poo flinging
 
2012-02-17 01:45:33 PM

WhoIsWillo: [i45.photobucket.com image 640x436]


That's one of those memes that was sort-of amusing the first time, but the more often I see it, the more I want to punch a baby.
 
2012-02-17 01:46:47 PM

GranoblasticMan: WhoIsWillo: [i45.photobucket.com image 640x436]

That's one of those memes that was sort-of amusing the first time, but the more often I see it, the more I want to punch a baby.


It's probably the proliferation and the endless variations.
 
2012-02-17 01:50:55 PM

GAT_00: GranoblasticMan: WhoIsWillo: [i45.photobucket.com image 640x436]

That's one of those memes that was sort-of amusing the first time, but the more often I see it, the more I want to punch a baby.

It's probably the proliferation and the endless variations.


Yeah. I guess it's mostly due to having seen about two dozen variations on Facebook in the past week alone, all about shiat that I don't care what you do, what people think you do, or what people who think people who think you think you do... or whatever.
 
2012-02-17 01:56:37 PM

GranoblasticMan: GAT_00: GranoblasticMan: WhoIsWillo: [i45.photobucket.com image 640x436]

That's one of those memes that was sort-of amusing the first time, but the more often I see it, the more I want to punch a baby.

It's probably the proliferation and the endless variations.

Yeah. I guess it's mostly due to having seen about two dozen variations on Facebook in the past week alone, all about shiat that I don't care what you do, what people think you do, or what people who think people who think you think you do... or whatever.


I'm not a big fan of them myselfs, but that one cracked me up.
 
2012-02-17 01:59:28 PM

WhoIsWillo: GranoblasticMan: GAT_00: GranoblasticMan: WhoIsWillo: [i45.photobucket.com image 640x436]

That's one of those memes that was sort-of amusing the first time, but the more often I see it, the more I want to punch a baby.

It's probably the proliferation and the endless variations.

Yeah. I guess it's mostly due to having seen about two dozen variations on Facebook in the past week alone, all about shiat that I don't care what you do, what people think you do, or what people who think people who think you think you do... or whatever.

I'm not a big fan of them myselfs, but that one cracked me up.


Most of them are pretty good I think actually. Particularly the science-field ones.
 
2012-02-17 02:03:36 PM
From another article on this:

"We're dumb, but we're not stupid," McCain told reporters after he voted. "We did not want to repeat the debacle of last December. It's not that complicated."

I'm not sure I agree Mr McCain.

Also, doesn't this make last year's showing by the GOP a complete joke, farce and embarrassment? They took a 'principled stand' and then when they had to face the voters, they threw their principled stand into the trash.

Passage of the legislation hands Obama a victory over objections from many Republicans who oppose it but were eager to wipe the issue from the election-year agenda.

It also clears away a political headache for House Republicans, who blocked a two-month extension of the tax cut and jobless coverage in late December, only to retreat quickly under a buzz saw of opposition from conservative and GOP leaders from around the country.

With that history, Republicans seemed ready to get the fight behind them and change the subject for the rest of this election year.


This is why the social issues are suddenly all the rage. They lost on ideology and merit. They lost. So they have retreated to the one thing that Rmoney can't handle and the others can't formulate a coherent moderate thought on: social divisiveness.
 
2012-02-17 02:13:15 PM
In before "this robs the SS fund".

Normally, a reduction in the payroll tax would indeed reduce contributions to the Social Security trust fund, but last year's bill specifically made up for this loss from the general fund. The trust fund got every penny it normally would have, and all the proposals on the table this year do the same.

What changes here isn't the solvency of the trust fund. What changes is where the money comes from.

Link (new window)

Link (new window .pdf)
 
2012-02-17 03:25:13 PM
Should've used the Newsflash tag
 
2012-02-17 03:44:26 PM

Nadie_AZ: This is why the social issues are suddenly all the rage. They lost on ideology and merit. They lost. So they have retreated to the one thing that Rmoney can't handle and the others can't formulate a coherent moderate thought on: social divisiveness.


Yep. Seems every 6 months they change their game and claim it's what they've been shouting about from the very beginning.
 
2012-02-17 03:47:33 PM
Extending an existing tax cut != doing something, subs.
 
2012-02-17 03:49:30 PM
They saved their hides because as much as they want Obama gone, they also don't want to go home to calls of "You raised our farking taxes you rat bastards! You signed a pledge and everything!" during an election year.
 
2012-02-17 03:49:41 PM
cnsnews.com

Boehner: 'You Can Take to the Bank' That Payroll Tax Cuts 'Will Be Paid For' (new window)

DEC 1 2011:

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said there was "no debate" over whether a proposed extension of the payroll tax holiday will be paid for. If it is extended, it will be offset, he vowed -- apparently by spending cuts, although the Speaker did not specify.

Yeahh how did that work out Boner?
 
2012-02-17 03:50:53 PM

PowerSlacker: Extending an existing tax cut != doing something, subs.


So if they would of done nothing (let them expire) that would of been them doing something? Uhhhh really?
 
2012-02-17 03:53:41 PM
Deal? I'll bet it was a deal.

Will I have to abstain from medical care now, or what?
 
2012-02-17 03:54:02 PM
Honestly, the most shocking fact about this is that the bill is getting signed two weeks before the provisions it addresses were set to expire rather than two minutes.
 
2012-02-17 03:54:55 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Whoa... the Law of Averages must have kicked in


Ehhh... not so fast... the thing they did is useless. Payroll tax cuts don't create jobs, or at least create a negligible amount more.

Demand creates jobs. Without the demand to justify a new hire no business is going to hire more employees who are just going to cost them money. That the employee is going to cost them a few dollars less isn't really going to help if there's no more demand for their products.
 
2012-02-17 03:57:03 PM

mongbiohazard: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Whoa... the Law of Averages must have kicked in

Ehhh... not so fast... the thing they did is useless. Payroll tax cuts don't create jobs, or at least create a negligible amount more.

Demand creates jobs. Without the demand to justify a new hire no business is going to hire more employees who are just going to cost them money. That the employee is going to cost them a few dollars less isn't really going to help if there's no more demand for their products.


Putting a few extra dollars in the pockets of people who are inevitably going to spend that money creates additional demand.
 
2012-02-17 03:57:23 PM

GranoblasticMan: GAT_00: GranoblasticMan: WhoIsWillo: [i45.photobucket.com image 640x436]

That's one of those memes that was sort-of amusing the first time, but the more often I see it, the more I want to punch a baby.

It's probably the proliferation and the endless variations.

Yeah. I guess it's mostly due to having seen about two dozen variations on Facebook in the past week alone, all about shiat that I don't care what you do, what people think you do, or what people who think people who think you think you do... or whatever.


Do what I do and scroll by without even reading them.
 
2012-02-17 03:58:04 PM
Few things have been more satisfying over the past year than seeing the GOP hoist on its own petard of "tax cuts tax cuts always tax cuts". When it dawned on them that taxes could be cut for the demonic non-job-creators too, they thought they could deflect it with "but it has to be paid for," that noble principle that they always adhere to except when they don't. Now the payroll tax cut is a de facto permanent cut just like the cut for the rich guys. Good luck rolling it back without rolling back the cut for the fatcats. Even the GOP rank and file won't go for that.
 
2012-02-17 03:58:34 PM
So they didn't increase taxes, didn't reduce unemployment benefits, and didn't cut doctor's Medicare fees. All things that were scheduled to automatically happen.

So basically they did nothing and maintained the status quo. Congress should do nothing more often.
 
2012-02-17 03:58:38 PM

GranoblasticMan: WhoIsWillo: [i45.photobucket.com image 640x436]

That's one of those memes that was sort-of amusing the first time, but the more often I see it, the more I want to punch a baby.


I have punched babies for less.
 
2012-02-17 03:58:51 PM

mongbiohazard: Demand creates jobs. Without the demand to justify a new hire no business is going to hire more employees who are just going to cost them money. That the employee is going to cost them a few dollars less isn't really going to help if there's no more demand for their products.


So more consumers with more money doesn't create demand?
 
2012-02-17 03:59:46 PM
Should we really be worrying about this when people may or may not be doing things in their private bedrooms that we have no control over?

What the hell is wrong with big government?


/they took our jebs?
 
2012-02-17 03:59:51 PM

mongbiohazard: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Whoa... the Law of Averages must have kicked in

Ehhh... not so fast... the thing they did is useless. Payroll tax cuts don't create jobs, or at least create a negligible amount more.

Demand creates jobs. Without the demand to justify a new hire no business is going to hire more employees who are just going to cost them money. That the employee is going to cost them a few dollars less isn't really going to help if there's no more demand for their products.


Looks like the cut is from the employee's portion of the payroll tax, so each employee is going to see a small bump in their paycheck. That does create some demand.
 
2012-02-17 04:02:43 PM

AngryDragon: So they didn't increase taxes, didn't reduce unemployment benefits, and didn't cut doctor's Medicare fees. All things that were scheduled to automatically happen.

So basically they did nothing and maintained the status quo. Congress should do nothing more often.



It's like being in a leaky boat and bailing out the water to stay afloat. Sometimes maintaining the status quo takes effort.
 
2012-02-17 04:05:59 PM

Arkanaut: Looks like the cut is from the employee's portion of the payroll tax, so each employee is going to see a small bump in their paycheck. That does create some demand.


What kind of bump? Give me some numbers. You or anyone good at math.
 
2012-02-17 04:06:11 PM
Not with a bang, but with a whimper

/Preview for November
 
2012-02-17 04:06:32 PM

fracto73: AngryDragon: So they didn't increase taxes, didn't reduce unemployment benefits, and didn't cut doctor's Medicare fees. All things that were scheduled to automatically happen.

So basically they did nothing and maintained the status quo. Congress should do nothing more often.


It's like being in a leaky boat and bailing out the water to stay afloat. Sometimes maintaining the status quo takes effort.


Less a leaky boat and more one in which a small number of the people in it are dumping as much water as they can into the boat and accusing everyone who's bailing and trying to keep the boat afloat of being communist nazi Kenyan Muslim lizard people.
 
2012-02-17 04:06:52 PM
image.shutterstock.com
 
2012-02-17 04:07:25 PM
Tax cuts for the rich!

They'll pay for themselves!

No, no tax cuts for the poor!

Well OK, but we have to pay for them... I know!

Tax cuts for the rich!
 
2012-02-17 04:08:12 PM
Guess they're done doing anything for the rest of the year.

/Congressional refractory period
 
2012-02-17 04:08:43 PM

GranoblasticMan: That's one of those memes that was sort-of amusing the first time,


no it wasn't
 
2012-02-17 04:15:34 PM

DeltaPunch: Tax cuts for the rich!

They'll pay for themselves!

No, no tax cuts for the poor!

Well OK, but we have to pay for them... I know!

Tax cuts for the rich!


I larfed
 
2012-02-17 04:21:41 PM
"This is a big deal," the president told an audience in Washington state. "It is amazing what happens when Congress focuses on doing the right thing instead of just playing politics."

Obama is in a fighting mood this year...methinks we are going to have a bloodbath in the electoral college...
 
2012-02-17 04:22:47 PM
#$40 - fava beans and a nice chianti
 
2012-02-17 04:28:59 PM
FTFA: "This is a big deal," the president told an audience in Washington state. "It is amazing what happens when Congress focuses on doing the right thing instead of just playing politics."

Yeah, cuz you NEVER do that, dickhole.
 
2012-02-17 04:29:09 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Arkanaut: Looks like the cut is from the employee's portion of the payroll tax, so each employee is going to see a small bump in their paycheck. That does create some demand.

What kind of bump? Give me some numbers. You or anyone good at math.


This is an extension of a tax cut we got at the beginning of last year. We've already had our bump, now paychecks will just stay the same as they have been.
 
2012-02-17 04:30:31 PM

Tarl3k: "This is a big deal," the president told an audience in Washington state. "It is amazing what happens when Congress focuses on doing the right thing instead of just playing politics."

Obama is in a fighting mood this year...methinks we are going to have a bloodbath in the electoral college...


Obama is changing a lot and it's not only because it's an election year. People close to him said he deferred often to those in his administration. They say however recently he has found his voice and become much more confident about decisions. The election might be showing it off more but it's also real too. If he gets re-elected you will see much more policies of Obama and less of what the people in his admin.


When he came into office with the economic collapse he had to rely on many pro-business/banker industry people just to keep everything together but now things are stabilized and he has more of his own people around him instead of just ex-Clinton people because they knew what they were doing.

As president you can't be training everyone new on the job when the entire economy is collapsing.
 
2012-02-17 04:31:40 PM
You besides screwing the public and maintaining their 1% status?
 
2012-02-17 04:35:06 PM
Was the [unlikely] tag sleeping?
 
2012-02-17 04:44:56 PM

Tarl3k: "This is a big deal," the president told an audience in Washington state. "It is amazing what happens when Congress focuses on doing the right thing instead of just playing politics."

Obama is in a fighting mood this year...methinks we are going to have a bloodbath in the electoral college...


I love his passive aggressive style of fighting too. The payoff is rarely quick but I think the anticipation is what makes it gratifying. It's a nice change over the previous administration, the change I hoped for.
 
2012-02-17 04:54:02 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: In before "this robs the SS fund".

Normally, a reduction in the payroll tax would indeed reduce contributions to the Social Security trust fund, but last year's bill specifically made up for this loss from the general fund. The trust fund got every penny it normally would have, and all the proposals on the table this year do the same.

What changes here isn't the solvency of the trust fund. What changes is where the money comes from.

Link (new window)

Link (new window .pdf)


I'm glad you got in before me but why are we funding SS from general revenue? I was told this is a stand alone program where your benefit is derived from what you put in and the program was solvent. Why are we mucking it up with general revenues?

/we should let this expire next January as well as all the bush tax cuts
 
2012-02-17 04:54:12 PM
Senate Democrats voted overwhelmingly for the bill while Senate Republicans largely opposed it.

So, in other words, Senate Republicans offered up several sacrificial lambs to vote in favor of it so it would pass because, really, they wanted it to pass because then Obama and Dems could hammer them for being against continuing a tax break, but they only gave them enough to get the 60 exactly that they needed so the rest of the Republicans could vote against it to maintain that "We're totally against Obama!" image they've been cultivating for 3 years.
 
2012-02-17 04:55:30 PM

Ball Sack Obama: FTFA: "This is a big deal," the president told an audience in Washington state. "It is amazing what happens when Congress focuses on doing the right thing instead of just playing politics."

Yeah, cuz you NEVER do that, dickhole.


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